[01:39] <valorie> darn it, power went out and I lost the scrollback
[05:02] <MichaelP> What going to be more stable 14.10 beta 2 or 14.10 utopic daily builds ?
[06:13] <lordievader> Good morning.
[06:23] <Tm_T> moin
[06:24] <lordievader> Hey Tm_T, how are you?
[07:58] <Sick_Rimmit> Good Morning
[07:59] <lordievader> o/
[08:08] <Tm_T> lordievader: hi, semibusy with IRC stuff and more busy with work, atleast sun is not ruining my day
[08:12] <lordievader> No bright sun in your eyes ;)
[08:25] <Riddell> hola chicos
[08:26] <Riddell> Sick_Rimmit, lordievader: able to test 4.14.2 ?
[08:26] <Riddell> on utopic
[08:27] <Sick_Rimmit> Sure, it it on todays build ISO's ?
[08:27] <Riddell> Sick_Rimmit: nope, it's in the super sekret ninjas PPA
[08:27] <Sick_Rimmit> OK, do you have a link
[08:28] <Riddell> Sick_Rimmit: super secret apt line sent
[08:32] <Riddell> thanks
[08:32] <lordievader> Not sure if I still have a working Utopic around...
[08:32] <lordievader> I'll check later today.
[08:44] <Tm_T> lordievader: worse the weather less people in the streets, I don't mind of bad weather (;
[09:33] <lordievader> Tm_T: Hehe true that ;)
[09:49] <soee> Riddell: you have my info from yesterday @ my test 4.14.2 ?
[09:49] <Riddell> soee: all smooth?
[09:49] <Riddell> actually it's sgclark you want to ping
[09:50] <soee> Riddell: yes, all smooth when upgrading on utopic with Plasma5 <- sgclark
[09:54] <Riddell> soee: ah with plasma 5, that's probably a smaller selection of software that's upgrading but still useful to test
[09:54] <Riddell> soee: have you tried kontact and kmail?
[09:55] <soee> Riddell: well im not using they daily but they just work from what i see now, though i would have to stress them more
[09:55] <soee> if only kmalilhad some more user friendly interface probably i would switch from thunderbird
[09:56] <soee> *lets have a faith in vdt
[09:56] <soee> also both work super fast
[09:58] <soee> also i must say that current plasam5 works just perfect for me and i love it :)
[09:59] <soee> shadeslayer: ping
[10:04] <sgclark> morning
[10:04] <soee> brb
[10:05] <Riddell> hi sgclark 
[10:10] <shadeslayer> soee: hi?
[10:11] <soee> shadeslayer: i think you showd me once command to clear icons cache, do you remember it ?
[10:11] <shadeslayer> To clear it? Nope
[10:12] <soee> uhm
[11:10] <tsdgeos> Riddell: any ieda why the kdelibs4support packages have no translations?
[11:12]  * Riddell looks
[11:13] <Riddell> tsdgeos: I see translations in libkf5kdelibs4support-data 5.3.0
[11:14] <tsdgeos> and why isn't that installed? :D
[11:14] <Riddell> tsdgeos: possibly there was a 5.2.90 version I rolled myself to keep kwin happy that missed them
[11:15] <Riddell> tsdgeos: ah yes you may have spotted a missing depends there
[11:51] <Sick_Rimmit> Riddell: OK It's all up and running on KDE 4.14.2, I will switch to this as daily use desktop, and will let you know if I breack anything
[12:29] <Riddell> sgclark: ↑
[12:31] <Riddell> hi Sick_Rimmit_Test 
[12:31] <Sick_Rimmit_Test> Riddell: Hi
[12:31] <Sick_Rimmit_Test> Running on Kde 4.14.2
[12:32] <Riddell> awooga
[12:33] <sgclark> ?
[12:34] <Riddell> sgclark: 4.14.2 working good according to two users
[12:37] <sgclark> ok great, working well here. I am attempting a backport
[12:40]  * Riddell building 5.1.0.1 packages of plasma in next-staging
[12:41] <soee> ;o
[12:42] <soee> Riddell: what is thi s version ? 5.1.0.1
[12:42] <Riddell> it's 5.1.0 but fixed to not be wrong
[12:43]  * soee is confused
[12:44] <Riddell> the 5.1.0 tars had the wrong version number in side them so I've made 5.1.0.1 to fix that
[12:46] <soee> ah ok, thanks for explanation
[13:09] <soee> i think there should be some script that will clear some caches after upgrades like to plasam 5.1
[13:10] <apachelogger> soee: caches?
[13:10] <apachelogger> Riddell: <3 for the .1 :)
[13:10] <soee> for example new icons in System Settings were visible after i switched icon theme to Breeze Dark and than switched back to Breeze
[13:11] <apachelogger> soee: that's a bug, please file a bug
[13:11] <soee> apachelogger: against what component ?
[13:11] <apachelogger> I have not the sligest idea
[13:11] <soee> ;p
[13:11] <apachelogger> when in doubt use plasmashell 
[13:12] <Riddell> hi manchicken 
[13:12] <apachelogger> caches *should* be discarded as the original files mtime changes, however depending on the cache that might not or incorrectly be implemented
[13:12] <apachelogger> e.g. in plasma the cache management was all sorts of messed up for most of the 4.x series xD
[13:12] <soee> my bugs against plasmashell seems to be impossible to fix (https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=339932) :D so better not against plasmashell -.-
[13:19] <soee> btw, nvidia drivers 343 from edgers ppa, works fine on Utopic
[13:58] <ovidiu-florin> can someone please tell me with what version of CMake will Kubuntu 14.10 ship?
[13:59] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cmake says 2.8.12.2
[13:59] <ovidiu-florin> any plans for CMake 3? maybe in 15.04?
[13:59] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: debfx is looking at the transition to cmake 3 but it's not trivial because while cmake is compatible some cmake modules are not
[13:59] <Riddell> so yes maybe in 15.04 but who knows
[13:59] <ovidiu-florin> ok, thanks
[14:00] <Riddell> so for KF5 and Plasma 5 we have to make it all work with cmake 2
[14:00] <Riddell> I'd expect other KDE software to be the same
[14:08] <Riddell> apachelogger: new package in debian git oxygen-qt4 (also breeze-qt4 if you haven't spotted it)
[14:20] <Riddell> sgclark: so due to my upstream messing up of plasma 5.1, kde sc 4.14.2 is due to be released instead, are you ready to release it or best wait for trusty to be done too do you think?
[14:21] <sgclark> wwell I am not having luck with this script I am afraid
[14:21] <Riddell> uh oh, what's up?
[14:22] <sgclark> it will grab like 5 packages but all the rest Package not found in the PPA
[14:22] <sgclark> but they are there...
[14:22] <sgclark> I am baffeled
[14:22] <Riddell> sure it's looking in the right PPA?
[14:23] <sgclark> says ninjas in the file..
[14:23] <sgclark> source="kubuntu-ninjas/ppa"
[14:23] <Riddell> what command are you running?
[14:24] <sgclark> ./kubuntu-batch-backport -v 4.14.2 -f utopic -t trusty -V 14.04 -c ~/src/4.14.2/trusty/
[14:28] <Riddell> let me try that and see what happens
[14:28] <sgclark> sure
[14:28] <sgclark> though I would like to resolve this
[14:32] <Riddell> ** tech board meeting in an hour in #ubuntu-meeting-2
[14:33] <Riddell> sgclark: running fine here
[14:33] <Riddell> sgclark: in the mean time, have you done kde-l10n?
[14:34] <sgclark> kde-l10n?
[14:34] <Riddell> the translations
[14:34] <Riddell> which also seem to be out of date in the archive :(
[14:34] <sgclark> nope, dunno that i ever have
[14:35] <yofel> Riddell, sgclark: k-b-b doesn't actually look at the ppa for the package list, it looks at the file that's named kdesc-packages-trusty-backport.txt or so
[14:35] <Riddell> sgclark: https://community.kde.org/Kubuntu/Packaging/L10nOperatorGuide
[14:35] <sgclark> yeah I checked that file yofel, seemed right
[14:35] <Riddell> sgclark: if you can do l10n for utopic we can just update that in the archive
[14:36] <yofel> hm, no idea why it would quit then
[14:37] <sgclark> Riddell: I will try but I seriously think I messed something up here.
[14:38] <lordievader> Whoo found a Utopic with Plasma4, time to install KDE 4.14.2 :)
[14:39] <Riddell> I just got so it could be a problem on the launchpad end " httplib2.ServerNotFoundError: Unable to find the server at api.launchpad.net"
[14:39] <lordievader> Riddell: Do I need the jr or the yofel ninja ppa?
[14:39] <yofel> shouldn't matter
[14:40] <yofel> (it's just different passwords)
[14:41] <Riddell> http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/plasma-status/build_status_5.1.0.1_utopic.html yay all done
[14:46] <sgclark> today is not my day. 
[14:47] <sgclark> debian/build-l10n.sh: source: not found                            
[14:47] <sgclark> could not source common functions!!
[14:49] <Riddell> sgclark: read the build-l10n.sh script should be pretty easy to read
[14:49] <Riddell> it tries to checkout bzr lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kubuntu-l10n-common
[14:49] <Riddell> and call it common-l10n/
[14:49] <Riddell> so does common-l10n/ exist?
[14:52]  * sgclark reads
[14:53] <Riddell> it's the first thing it does
[14:55] <sgclark> that does exist...
[14:56] <sgclark> oh ok, running it in debian directory works
[14:57] <Riddell> as with all our kubuntu-automation stuff it's not brilliantly documented or resiliant, don't be afraid to make fixes
[14:57] <sgclark> ok
[15:25] <Riddell> sgclark: all blue http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ninjas-status/build_status_4.14.2_trusty.html
[15:25] <sgclark> thanks
[15:27] <sgclark> uploading kde-l10n now
[15:27] <sgclark> seems it was a success
[15:27] <Riddell> awooga
[15:27] <Riddell> for bonus points you can backport it to trusty
[15:27] <sgclark> no idea what happened with the backport
[15:27] <sgclark> lol
[15:28] <sgclark> tody is not my day for backports
[15:30] <Riddell> sgclark: backporting kde-l10n should be just using the relevant branch, not the same as the rest of SC
[15:33] <sgclark> ahh ok, I get it, yeah I can manage that
[15:34] <sgclark> what is language-pack-kde-common?
[15:35] <Riddell> it's the meta packages which depend on various language bits notably kde-l10n-xx
[15:35] <Riddell> used by the installer when you say you want to install french or whatever
[15:36] <Riddell> used to contain all the magically extracted translation files when kde was in main but not now
[15:41] <Riddell> well it still has a few for kde4libs which is in main
[15:43] <Riddell> groovy, 5.1.0.1 in kubuntu-ppa/next
[15:44] <Riddell> sgclark: only 5 uploaded? are you uploading the rest? https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ninjas/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+packages?field.name_filter=l10n
[15:44] <sgclark> Riddell: yeah had the ppa line wrong and many rejects, it is going now tho
[15:45] <Riddell> your poor inbox
[15:45]  * sgclark should have stayed in bed today.
[15:50] <Riddell> sgclark: kde-l10n-xx packaging looks sane, if you send me the .changes files I can sign them and you can upload them to the archive
[15:51] <sgclark> ok
[15:55] <BluesKaj_> Hey folks
[15:55] <Riddell> apachelogger: tech board meeting in #ubuntu-meeting-2 hopefully shortly
[15:58] <soee> hiho BluesKaj_
[15:59] <BluesKaj_> hey soee
[16:05] <Riddell> sgclark: hmm looks like I need the .dsc files as well to sign
[16:05] <Riddell> infact maybe I need all the files
[16:06] <sgclark> oh hmm
[16:06] <sgclark> let me put in dropbox, seems a bit much to email.
[16:07] <lordievader> Upgrade to 4.14.2 seem to have went fine. Gonna reboot now.
[16:08] <Riddell> sgclark: well if I need them all I'll just get them from kubuntu-ninjas
[16:08] <Riddell> sgclark: it's good, just the .dsc and the .changes file
[16:08] <sgclark> ok
[16:14] <Riddell> sgclark: http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/kde-l10n-changes.tar.xz
[16:20] <lordievader> Riddell: 4.14.2 installed and booted successfully :D
[16:20] <Riddell> sgclark: ↑
[16:20] <Riddell> great
[16:20] <sgclark> yay
[16:21] <lordievader> Nice work :)
[16:22] <sgclark> Riddell: I can't seem to upload sorry http://paste.ubuntu.com/8559931/ I replaced with yours
[16:22] <Riddell> sgclark: just means it doesn't know about my gpg key
[16:23] <Riddell> sgclark: use  dput --unchecked
[16:23] <sgclark> but it did not seem t put any packages anywhere
[16:25] <sgclark> that worked thanks
[16:25] <Riddell> yay
[16:32] <soee> someone can confirm that in Desktop properties (where we select wallpaper), mouse scrolling does not work ? (Plasma5 here)
[16:35] <Riddell> hmm, libqapt2 doesn't seem to get build from source
[16:35] <Riddell> it's been replaced by the qt5 libqapt3
[16:35] <BluesKaj> soee, which layout?
[16:35] <Riddell> but muon still uses libqapt2
[16:35] <Riddell> this isn't how it's supposed to be I'm sure
[16:36] <soee> BluesKaj: dESKTOP
[16:36] <soee> BluesKaj: if we open wallpapers list the page is scrolled automaticaly so teh current one is visible, but we cant use mouse scroll there
[16:36] <Riddell> oh ug debian git has a qapt but with full sources
[16:38] <BluesKaj> soee, can't confirm , but right click doesn't bring up any dialog options
[16:39] <sgclark> scrolling does not appear to work 
[16:40] <sgclark> my login is soooo messed up
[16:42] <sgclark> but kmail works woot
[16:43] <soee> BluesKaj: right click where >
[16:43] <BluesKaj> soee, in the wallpapers page
[16:44] <Riddell> apachelogger: qapt now has kubuntu_unstable branch with our packaging in it for qt5 build
[16:44] <Riddell> in kde-extras/qapt git.debian
[16:44] <soee> BluesKaj: what popup dialog should be there ?
[16:45] <soee> ok im off for 1,5 h
[16:45] <shadeslayer> Riddell: eep
[16:45] <shadeslayer> Riddell: seed_base: http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/
[16:46] <BluesKaj> soee, assuming copy, paste remove move to etc
[16:47] <Riddell> shadeslayer: pardon?
[16:48] <shadeslayer> Riddell: meta package's seed_base is wrong
[16:48] <Riddell> shadeslayer: where?
[16:48] <shadeslayer> Riddell: apt-get source kubuntu-plasma5-meta ?
[16:48] <Riddell> hmm, that looks wrong
[16:49] <Riddell> shadeslayer: but why aren't you using it from bzr?
[16:50] <Riddell> fix uploaded to next-staging
[16:51] <shadeslayer> cheerio
[16:53] <shadeslayer> also I'm confused
[16:53] <shadeslayer> shouldn't bzr have the same stuff as the PPA
[16:54] <Riddell> shadeslayer: the seed is in bzr and is mirrored on http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/seeds/, the meta package uses the seed from bzr (but can also use the seed from that mirror which I set to startsky back when the mirror wasn't updated with plasma5 seed)
[16:55] <Riddell> apachelogger: muon packaging also in debian:kde-extras/muon  kubuntu_unstable branch
[16:55] <Riddell> the master branch there seems to be a random package made years ago
[16:57] <shadeslayer> ack
[17:05]  * Riddell wanders out
[17:10] <sgclark>  Riddell: err was 4.14.2 put somewhere the world can get it or ? should we mention it?
[17:24] <shadeslayer> sgclark: he's gone
[17:24] <shadeslayer> I doubt you'll see him before tomorrow
[17:24] <sgclark> ahh okies
[19:28] <Riddell> sgclark: nope, but it should be copied to kubuntu-ppa/ppa (Kubuntu Updates) for utopic and kubuntu-ppa/backports (Kubuntu Backports) for trusty
[19:28] <Riddell> sgclark: did you upload kde-l10n?
[19:54] <sgclark> Riddell: sorry thought you were gone. kde-l10n is done
[20:51] <soee> Riddell: when upgrading to 5.1.0.1: dpkg: ostrzeżenie: libkf5sysguard5-data: plik konfiguracyjny "/etc/dbus-1/system.d/org.kde.ksysguard.processlisthelper.conf" nie jest plikiem ani dowiązaniem (= "/etc/dbus-1/system.d/org.kde.ksysguard.processlisthelper.conf")
[20:51] <soee> the warning says its not a file or symlink