[04:11]  * daftykins wonders if the late night team are in
[07:40] <diplo> Morning all
[07:47] <DJones> G'day
[08:08] <popey> Morning all
[08:09] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Ada Lovelace Day! :-D
[08:09] <davmor2> Morning popey and morning all
[08:10] <davmor2> JamesTait: Final a day to be proud of geeks doing something right \o/  czajkowski you rock, keep geeking out :)
[08:11] <JamesTait> \o/
[08:16] <foobarry> think i might decomission my server called lovelace tomorrow instead :s
[08:54] <brobosti1on> morning boys and girls.
[09:15] <davmor2> brobostigon: I find that remark very ageist, what about the men and women in the room too ;)
[09:15] <brobostigon> :)
[09:16] <zmoylan-pi> and don't forget the foetuses
[09:16] <brobostigon> men never grow up apparently, we are all still boys inside, so that part holds up.
[09:19] <davmor2> brobostigon: all you have to do is stick a man infront of lego to see the boy appear
[09:19] <brobostigon> exactly.
[09:21] <awilkins> I like people still in contact with their inner child
[09:22] <awilkins> The "grown ups" are just the dead wood that formed around an inner child and suffocated it.
[09:27] <popey> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/augustgermar/anonabox-a-tor-hardware-router
[09:27] <diplo> 202k of 7.5k goal :D
[09:28] <zmoylan-pi> well the nsa did make people all suspicious again
[09:31] <davmor2> and only 28 days to go....I wonder if they'll make it :)
[09:35] <czajkowski> davmor2: ello sunshine what have I done?
[09:35] <davmor2> czajkowski: see what day it is
[09:37] <christel> czajkowski: you're apparently ada lovelace, i had no idea!
[09:39] <foobarry> who'd have thought that the secret to cheering up the office is to put a gif of a dancing banana on the massive tv screen?
[09:40] <foobarry> seems to work
[09:44] <popey> that kickstarter is trending towards 2 million USD
[09:46] <davmor2> christel: It's be nice to czajkowski day basically, it only happens once a year so she has to make the most of it, tomorrow I pick on her mercilessly again ;)
[09:46] <christel> poor czajkowski
[09:48] <brobostigon> my new gf had a very strange idea, she thinks her having things i am allergic to, will have an affect on me, i dont see how to be honest.
[09:52] <shauno> it's logical, if the effects she has in mind are benign, along the lines of "jealousy"
[09:52] <brobostigon> ummm ?
[09:52] <shauno> well, if she has something you're not allowed :)
[09:53] <brobostigon> yes, me allergies.
[09:53] <brobostigon> my*
[09:53] <christel> i'm allergic to penicillin, i have anaphylactic reactions to it -- i don't think i'd be too bothered if someone else took some penicillin
[09:54] <christel> however, if i was allergic to say ... i dunno, bacon
[09:54] <christel> then i would definitely be a tad upset and jealous if my other half was baconing :D
[09:54] <zmoylan-pi> if you were allergic to bacon there'd be no reason to go on :-p
[09:54] <christel> zmoylan-pi: very true!
[09:54] <brobostigon> it doesnt concern me, other people around me having things i am allergic to, it makes no difference to me.
[09:54]  * czajkowski hugs christel 
[09:55]  * christel hugs czajkowski 
[09:55] <czajkowski> davmor2: :p
[09:56] <davmor2> czajkowski: What I'm being nice to you, man, I'm nice to you so your are evil back, I'm evil to you and you're nice back, women don't make sense damn it ;)
[09:56] <foobarry> [root@errol ~]# uptime 10:56:20 up 1086 days,  1:38,  1 user,  load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
[09:56] <foobarry> [root@errol ~]# shutdown -hf now
[09:56] <foobarry> sorry errol.
[09:57] <brobostigon> is she concerned, if she has had something i am allergic to, and she kisses me, it could cause me an allergic reaction? seems most likely, but again, i dont see the concern.
[09:57] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:57] <SuperMatt> morning
[09:57] <brobostigon> morning bigcalm
[09:57] <davmor2> brobostigon: did you ever get the feeling that she is trying to bump you off with her kindness ;)
[09:58] <foobarry> brobostigon: death causing allegies like peanuts?
[09:58] <czajkowski> gah adobe reader you are out to drive me crazy today
[09:58] <bigcalm> Anybody here (apart from me) using a standing desk?
[09:58] <foobarry> bigcalm: no way
[09:58] <foobarry> comfy chair all the way
[09:58] <popey> +1
[09:58] <brobostigon> davmor2: she is very kind, yes.
[09:58] <brobostigon> foobarry: for example. yes.
[09:58] <davmor2> bigcalm: wierdo
[09:58] <czajkowski> sister emails saying when she downloads a document it points out that If this message is not eventually replaced by the proper contents of the document, your PDF
[09:58] <davmor2> weirdo even
[09:58] <bigcalm> Thanks guys :P
[09:58] <foobarry> peanuts would be a concern
[09:58] <czajkowski> viewer may not be able to display this type of document.
[09:59] <czajkowski> upgrade to windows, linux etc folow the link, I follow the link and no Linux version
[09:59] <czajkowski> most odd
[09:59] <foobarry> chrome shows pdfs in-browser
[09:59] <czajkowski> http://get.adobe.com/uk/reader/otherversions/
[09:59] <czajkowski> foobarry: indeed and says wait a moment this pdf will render if not it's not supported on your machine
[09:59] <davmor2> czajkowski: just use the one in firefox
[10:00] <czajkowski> hmm will see
[10:01] <czajkowski> would like to swiftly kick the server publicjobs.ie is on and see if that helps
[10:01] <czajkowski> :)
[10:01] <popey> they dropped linux
[10:01] <czajkowski> nope same thing davmor2
[10:02] <ali1234> the firefox pdf reader is rubbish
[10:02] <czajkowski> most odd
[10:02] <czajkowski> doesn't even seem to work on her windows machine so told her to go and mail them directly
[10:18] <foobarry> bigcalm: https://plus.google.com/+sugru/posts/fZZL4mAVciX
[10:18] <foobarry> nice desk for you
[10:25] <bigcalm> Haha
[10:26] <bigcalm> I already have the desk ;)
[10:26] <bigcalm> And that desk is the wrong hight for that man
[10:26] <bigcalm> The posture is all wrong
[10:26] <zmoylan-pi> that desk will die 2 minutes after the first cat gets its claws on it.
[10:27] <bigcalm> Heh
[10:27] <zmoylan-pi> it'll be a happy cat mind
[10:27] <foobarry> this laptop disables usb ports onthe laptop AND the dock when you dock it :S
[10:28] <zmoylan-pi> why??
[10:28] <foobarry> because windows is stupid and dell are stupid
[10:28] <zmoylan-pi> makes sense
[10:28] <foobarry> i cannot plug an external mouse to use windows
[10:29] <foobarry> i on;y need windows for 1 app
[10:29] <zmoylan-pi> i hate those '1 apps'!
[10:29] <bigcalm> Wine \o/
[10:30] <zmoylan-pi> and use the software wine when using proper wine \o/
[10:30] <bigcalm> *hic*
[10:30] <zmoylan-pi> you're doing it right bigcalm :-)
[10:31] <foobarry> vsphere doesn't work in wine
[10:35] <Seeker`> eugh, something tripped my fusebox this morning
[10:35] <davmor2> czajkowski: try opening it in libreoffice
[10:36] <davmor2> czajkowski: failing that there are some cli tools that might help, but they might not either :) just to be useful :)
[10:39] <czajkowski> davmor2: she rang them and the IT guy (TM) is calling her back
[10:39] <czajkowski> this should be interesting :)
[10:40] <davmor2> czajkowski: hahahahaha
[10:53] <foobarry> even more weird. when undocked, the usb ports aren't working either in windows now
[11:24] <foobarry> quote from someone on facebook "helping" someone out " But again, viruses aren't thAt common anymore. There's no money in it. Just malice"
[11:25] <zmoylan-pi> viruses are a way to install malware taking control over your system making it work for them
[11:25] <foobarry> and also a way to encrypt your files and demand moneys
[11:25] <foobarry> and are very common
[11:26]  * zmoylan-pi suspects my rasp pi is safe :-)
[11:29] <foobarry> and viruses/malware should really be lumped together
[11:30] <zmoylan-pi> well it can be a grey area when some malware is installed by users who don't read the eula that mentions it'll be mining bitcoins when it feels like it
[11:31] <foobarry> TIL that girls just wanna have fun is a cover, and the original is much better https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aLNwOxPsjg
[11:31] <zmoylan-pi> or hijacking your websearches
[11:31] <zmoylan-pi> or dozens of other 'sleazy' practices
[11:49] <Laney> left the tea cosy off by mistake
[11:49] <Laney> WORST DAY EVER
[11:50] <zmoylan-pi> i don't think i've ever used a tea cosy, i use tea bags these days and as a kid a pot of tea didn't last long enough to require insulation :-)
[11:52] <Laney> I want lots but I can't drink 4 cups that fast :p
[11:53] <ali1234> drink warm-up
[11:53] <zmoylan-pi> a ceramic tea pot in a microwave getting a zap for a few seconds every minute? :-)
[11:54] <ali1234> no, it's more complicated than that
[11:56] <Laney> i own no microwave
[11:56] <zmoylan-pi> access to powerful laser? :-p
[11:57] <ali1234> i've explained this before but what you do is start with 1 tea bag in the morning. you put in enough water for two cups, pour one, and then leave the rest to stew. then when you want another cup you add enough water for another cup and pour immediately (because the tea that's already in there is really strong now)
[11:58] <ali1234> the water you put in "warms up" the cold stewed tea (and dilutes it enough for it to be drinkable)
[11:59] <Laney> and have to boil the kettle each time?
[11:59] <ali1234> well, we've got one of those boiling-water-on-tap things
[12:00] <zmoylan-pi> i always found the boiling water on tap things not hot enough
[12:00] <ali1234> but you can also get kettles which boil small amounts of water
[12:00] <zmoylan-pi> my shiny new kettle will boil a single cup of water grand
[12:00] <Laney> it's mainly the time
[12:02] <DJones> We got one of these for making drinks in the morning for the bedroom http://goo.gl/ZtUVQv (Currys website link)
[12:03] <Laney> how do you milk it?
[12:03] <DJones> Just a bit of a squeeze :)
[12:03]  * Laney runs
[12:09] <zmoylan-pi> you nick those creamers from fast food places is the usual way i think :-)
[12:14] <shauno> I stick one of those little tea light candles under the pot.  sorted
[12:30] <diddledan_> the tax people take too long to answer the phone :-(
[12:32] <diddledan_> they've got the same onhold muzak as someone else I phone. might be vodafone
[12:32] <DJones> You're probably ringing the wrong number, they have one person answering refund queries, but there's a team 25,000 that answer calls for people wanting to dispute tax bills
[12:54] <diddledan_> grr.. dentist gonna charge me tomorrow :-(
[12:54] <diddledan_> this time last year I was eligible for tax-credit nhs exemtion
[12:55] <diddledan_> now I gotta pay >.<
[12:55] <diddledan_> still, a band-2 treatment doesn't look too expensive - in fact it seems quite reasonable
[12:58] <popey> \o/ jabber
[12:58] <MattJ> Jabber \o/
[12:58] <SuperMatt> \o/ highlights
[13:00]  * Laney watches nccgroup.com die
[13:00] <MattJ> popey, you realise this has been going on for 7 years now? :)
[13:00] <popey> really!?
[13:00] <popey> I was talking about it just yesterday with some other friends
[13:00] <SuperMatt> *other* friends?
[13:00] <MattJ> https://matthewwild.co.uk/uploads/jabber.png
[13:02] <popey> wow
[13:02] <MattJ> and I did it once IRL at LRL ;)
[13:03] <awilkins> Any geniuses with healthcare IT experience : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-pattern
[13:03] <awilkins> Oops
[13:03] <awilkins> Stupid network KVM
[13:06] <awilkins> Ahem : try again : http://www.jobs.nhs.uk/xi/vacancy/90357a3266bf3432d811aa7687f759e0/?vac_ref=913547549
[13:07] <awilkins> This is my current job. I am leaving it. Anyone fancying it feel free to ask me questions
[13:27] <popey> wow, the hudl 2 is a well engineered device
[13:28] <zmoylan-pi> the better made it is the few support calls seems to be a forgotten axiom
[13:31] <DJones> I like this idea http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/131355-this-air-umbrella-produces-a-force-field-to-keep-you-dry
[13:31] <DJones> Although you may look a bit of a prat holding a stick up in the air to keep dry
[13:32] <popey> i appear to have purchased a bright red hudl2
[13:32] <popey> i thought I ordered a black one
[13:36] <zmoylan-pi> that on a hat might work
[13:36] <zmoylan-pi> even if it did look silly
[13:37] <zmoylan-pi> and it would be horrible to find when it starts to rain that your umberellas battery is flat :-)
[13:38] <diddledan_> at least it can't rip
[13:39] <diddledan_> by turning inside-out in the wind
[13:40] <zmoylan-pi> never underestimate the wind :-)
[13:42] <bigcalm> popey: I bought Hayley the 1st Hudle for her as a wedding present 1 year ago (must remember anniversary is coming up). I wonder if she'd like an upgrade
[13:43] <zmoylan-pi> nothing says romance like an extended warranty :-p
[13:43] <bigcalm> ;)
[13:44] <bigcalm> I can't think of anything better
[13:45] <bigcalm> I hope the battery life is better than the last one
[13:45] <zmoylan-pi> isn't the new one x86?
[13:46] <popey> yes
[13:47] <zmoylan-pi> which makes your first instinct on battery life not be a happy fluffy one
[13:53] <popey> seems others reckon it's okay
[13:58] <awilkins> popey, Is it Soviet Style Solid, or Volkswagen >klunk< solid?
[13:59] <popey> volkswagen
[15:48] <bigcalm> Anybody good with configuring exim4? :)
[15:57] <diddledan_> bigcalm: methinks the universal answer to that is always "no"
[15:57] <bigcalm> Ho humm
[15:58] <bigcalm> Yay
[15:58] <bigcalm> telnet localhost 25 gives me the welcome message I was expecting
[15:58] <bigcalm> I r gud
[15:59] <bigcalm> Though the mailq doesn't appear to have shifted
[19:15] <davmor2> bigcalm: did you not just follow the server guide ;)
[19:59] <foobarry> any news on the ssl bug yet?
[20:01] <MartijnVdS> https://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/2j7fyc/
[20:02] <foobarry> but....i'm busy tomorrow
[20:03] <diddledan_> oh god, not another one?
[20:04] <foobarry> only register mentioned it?
[20:04] <MartijnVdS> and some guy in linkedin
[20:06] <foobarry> Maintainers have kept quiet about the vulnerability in the lead-up to a patch release, which is expected in in the late European evening,
[20:06] <foobarry> thats now
[20:10] <foobarry> http://thehackernews.com/2014/10/nearly-7-million-dropbox-account.html
[20:10] <foobarry> oh
[20:14] <shauno> it's still quite disputed whether they were actually dropbox credentials
[20:15] <foobarry> yeah,m just reading the thread
[20:15] <foobarry> and lame passwdz anyway
[20:16] <shauno> well that's dropbox's version of events.  that the list is from elsewhere, and they just throw them all at dropbox to see which stick
[20:17] <shauno> but the whole 'btc for moar' thing means there's a profit incentive in making them sound jucier than they are
[20:19] <shauno> (if you search for any of them, you'll find the same list repeated again and again, being offered as facebook logins, snapchat logins, etc, all for btc)
[20:20] <foobarry> meh
[20:20] <foobarry> back to the ssl rumours then...
[20:20] <zmoylan-pi> didn't ms say recently it was safe to reuse passwords?
[20:21] <diddledan_> I'm sure nobody except a PR guy would say such a thing
[20:22] <zmoylan-pi> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/07/16/redmond_says_password_reuse_is_more_than_okay_its_necessary/
[20:23] <zmoylan-pi> a proper paper on why and all, whoops
[20:26] <diddledan_> except they completely ignored the idea of a password vault
[20:26] <diddledan_> e.g. lastpass
[20:29] <foobarry> http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/151?m=18151930#18151930
[20:29] <foobarry> ssl discussion
[20:43] <MartijnVdS> So.. time to upgrade everyone to modern TLS.. too bad oldWin won't be upgraded
[20:43] <MartijnVdS> we have customers who only last month upgraded to IE10
[20:45] <diddledan_> we still have to pander to IE9 (I refused recently to go as far back as IE8 :-p)
[20:46] <diddledan_> I haven't managed to get all our work systems patched against shellshock yet
[20:47] <diddledan_> I'm working on one as we speak
[20:48] <diddledan_> thank goodness for spotify to give me a soundtrack to work to.
[20:50] <MartijnVdS> diddledan_: our currently released version is IE8 still
[20:50] <MartijnVdS> diddledan_: we'll probably go IE10+ by January
[20:50] <diddledan_> I feel your pain
[20:51] <diddledan_> really IE10 should be the minimum these days - IE9 is almost a decade old now?
[20:51] <diddledan_> maybe I'm exaggerating
[20:52] <diddledan_> 3.5 years old
[20:52] <diddledan_> not as bad as I thunked but still by tech standards that's ancient
[20:53] <diddledan_> released 14 march 2011
[20:53] <MartijnVdS> yeah
[20:53] <MartijnVdS> most JS libraries are IE10+
[20:53] <MartijnVdS> so IE8 is a disaster if you want to do modern stuff
[20:53] <MartijnVdS> those libraries contain all kinds of hacks to work around its ancientness
[20:54] <shauno> we only got IE8 earlier this year :/
[20:54] <OERIAS> my dog: http://imgur.com/aveVuGj
[20:54] <diddledan_> jquery won't support ie8 unless you specifically download the "legacy" version
[20:54] <shauno> (well, more specifically, we only got off XP earlier this year)
[20:55] <MartijnVdS> diddledan_: we use angular and a bunch of other things the frontend guy installs using node.js? (isn't node.js a *server*? I'm still confused)
[20:56] <diddledan_> yeah. nodejs is serverside
[20:56] <diddledan_> I've been looking into polymer lately
[20:57] <MartijnVdS> diddledan_: but apparently, it's also used to install clientside libs into the web root or something..
[20:57] <diddledan_> that'll be via bower
[20:57] <MartijnVdS> yeah
[20:57] <MartijnVdS> and "npm"?
[20:57] <diddledan_> npm allows you to install bower and bower then lets you install client-side stuff
[20:58] <diddledan_> bower runs on nodejs like a perl script
[20:58] <diddledan_> or a bash script
[20:58] <diddledan_> nodejs is just a runtime in that case rather than serving anything over the network
[20:59] <MartijnVdS> aaah
[20:59] <diddledan_> think of node as like the mono framework only with javascript as it's input language
[21:00] <diddledan_> initially it was built to be a server but it grew legs
[21:00] <shauno> that tends to happen when you let the JS-types touch ... anything
[21:01] <diddledan_> isn't js typeless?
[21:01] <diddledan_> :-p
[21:02] <MartijnVdS> :P
[21:19] <bigcalm> davmor2: debian server set-up by not me
[23:08] <diddledan_> still no announcement that I can see
[23:08] <diddledan_> ssl, y u do dis?
[23:11] <popey> http://googleonlinesecurity.blogspot.co.uk/2014/10/this-poodle-bites-exploiting-ssl-30.html
[23:11] <popey> keep up
[23:13] <diddledan_> thankyou :-)
[23:19] <intrbiz> essentially disabling SSLv3 is now the best approach, for both client and server
[23:23] <diddledan_> intrbiz: I'm worried about the comment that doing that "presents significant compatibility problems"
[23:29] <intrbiz> diddledan_: Very few clients default to SSLv3, mainly IE on Win XP, CloudFlare say they see < 1% SSLv3
[23:30] <intrbiz> diddledan_: Ultimately, TLS is deployed for security reasons, these should trump compatibility.  IMHO if a client cannot securely connect, then don't let it.
[23:32] <intrbiz> diddledan_: Lets also consider outside of china, IE6 usage is < 1%
[23:33] <intrbiz> diddledan_: and that SSLv3 is 18 years old (1996)