[05:11] <Kilos> morning inetpro  Squirm  nuvolari  and others
[05:11] <Kilos> one thing about kde. no compiz crashed messages
[05:11] <Squirm> morning
[06:06] <ThatGraemeGuy> mornings
[06:11] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy  
[06:11] <theblazehen_> hi ThatGraemeGuy, Kilos
[06:12] <Kilos> hi theblazehen_  
[06:13] <magespawn> good morning all
[06:13] <Kilos> hi magespawn  
[06:13] <theblazehen> I got banned from #reddit-sysadmin, and ##linux, without saying anything ?!
[06:14] <magespawn> hi theblazehen 
[06:14] <theblazehen> hi magespawn
[06:14] <magespawn> there mus be some reason, even if it just a mistake, is there a way to appeal?
[06:14] <theblazehen> magespawn: dunno. Not really bothered though
[06:15] <theblazehen> wow, can join #reddit-sysadmin now...
[06:15] <theblazehen> and ##linux
[06:16] <theblazehen> Quassel was saying I can't do /nick theblazehen because I was banned there
[06:16] <magespawn> looks like a glitch of some sort
[06:17] <theblazehen> magespawn: yeah
[06:20] <Kilos> magespawn  you still happy in the job?
[06:21] <magespawn> still learning so yes
[06:21] <Kilos> hi SDC  thats a nice short nick
[06:21] <Kilos> morning superfly  
[06:33] <bduk1> More almal
[06:34] <Kilos> hi bduk1  
[06:35] <theblazehen> hi bduk1
[06:39] <Kilos> inetpro  ek eet my eerste marog bredie lunchtime
[06:40] <superfly> hi Kilos
[06:43] <Squirm> Maaz: coffee on
[06:43]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[06:43] <Squirm> Maaz: larger
[06:43] <Maaz> inna bucket for you Squirm
[06:43] <Squirm> superfly: I'm counting down the days ^^
[06:44] <superfly> Squirm: woohoo!
[06:44] <Kilos> Maaz  coffee please
[06:44] <Maaz> Kilos: Sure
[06:47] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Squirm and Kilos!
[06:48] <Squirm> superfly: yeah...
[06:48] <Squirm> started packing
[06:54] <Kilos> Maaz  ty
[06:54] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[07:08] <Kilos> ThatGraemeGuy  http://mybroadband.co.za/news/cellular/111702-great-value-with-new-r99-telkom-mobile-deal.html
[07:17] <Kilos> inetpro  ^^ is dit wat ons nodig het?
[07:17] <inetpro> good mornings
[07:18] <inetpro> Kilos: nee
[07:18] <inetpro> wel, kyk gerus na die fyn skrif
[07:19] <inetpro> Kilos: marog? hmm...
[07:19] <inetpro> klink interessant
[07:20] <inetpro> actually, klink baie lekker, stuur vir my ook... sommer per epos
[07:23] <Kilos> wilde spinasie man. ek het laas jaar vir jou saad geoes
[07:24] <inetpro> ja ek onthou nou, hoekom ek sê stuur vir my ook
[07:24] <Kilos> sal soek of sus dit nie als geplant het nie en vir jou pos of iets
[07:24] <inetpro> :-)
[07:29] <Kilos> inetpro  http://picpaste.com/Image0078-AU9QVvPC.jpg
[07:30] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: a good deal it may be but its overkill for my needs
[07:30] <ThatGraemeGuy> 100 minutes a month is too much
[07:30] <ThatGraemeGuy> I use about 50 minutes in a month
[07:30] <inetpro> Kilos: eish! Lyk nie so lekker op daai foto nie
[07:30] <ThatGraemeGuy> R40 or so
[07:30] <Kilos> ai!
[07:30] <Kilos> dit is vrek lekker man
[07:31] <Kilos> ThatGraemeGuy  lemme try read what they say
[07:31] <ThatGraemeGuy> its R99 for 100 minutes
[07:31] <ThatGraemeGuy> I spend/use less than that
[07:32] <Kilos> what about all the free calls and data
[07:33] <ThatGraemeGuy> am i not being clear? :)
[07:33] <Kilos> im misunderstanding something
[07:33] <ThatGraemeGuy> I spend R40 a month on airtime
[07:33] <ThatGraemeGuy> why would I spend R99 a month?
[07:34] <Kilos> oh ya you not worried about the data stuff too
[07:34] <ThatGraemeGuy> no i have my 4GB SIM for that
[07:35] <Kilos> but anyway i think telkom airtime is cheaper 
[07:35] <ThatGraemeGuy> heh
[07:35] <ThatGraemeGuy> R99 is not cheaper than R40
[07:43] <Kilos> i mean if you just buy a sim and airtime 
[07:44] <Kilos> not with that contract thing
[07:49] <Kilos> inetpro  what am i missing, they say - Telkom Mobile is offering 100 free minutes, unlimited on-net calls, 1GB all-network data, and unlimited Telkom Mobile data for R99 per month
[07:49] <Kilos> unlimited telkom data
[07:50] <Kilos> i see the fair usage stuffs but 10g  sounds good
[07:51] <Kilos> i must go back to school i think. dont even understand english anymore
[07:53] <Kilos> hi Kerbero  
[07:53] <Kerbero> more oom kilos
[07:55] <inetpro> Kilos: 24-month contract
[07:56] <inetpro> Unlimited Telkom Mobile Data until 31 March 2015
[07:56] <inetpro> that's just a few months
[07:56] <inetpro> 10GB fair usage policy
[07:56] <inetpro> slows down to a grind at a certain unknown point
[07:57] <Kilos> ok ty ill stay with 2+1
[07:57] <inetpro> Unlimited Telkom Mobile to Telkom Mobile calls for the first 12 months
[07:57] <inetpro> and then?
[07:57] <Kilos> ?
[07:58] <inetpro> what happens after the 12 months or after 31 March, they double the rates?
[07:58] <Kilos> i dunno
[07:58] <inetpro> exactly
[07:58] <inetpro> read the fine print
[07:58] <Kilos> why do you think i asked you
[07:58] <inetpro> not enough detail in that articla
[07:59]  * inetpro don't like it when it looks too good to be true
[08:00] <inetpro> and too many unnecessary complicated details just makes things extra confusing 
[08:01]  * inetpro meanwhile has work to do
[08:03] <Kilos> ty
[08:06] <Kilos> shame that sheldon guy in the mailing list needs to turn off the secure boot thing to get ubuntu going
[08:07] <Kilos> is the same prob golynx had
[08:12] <Kilos> oh its a dbn-lug mail
[08:19] <Kilos> wb ThatGraemeGuy  
[08:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> ta
[08:23] <Vince-0> !
[08:23] <Kilos> hi Vince-0  
[08:23] <Kilos> hope that reply helped that shelldon guy
[08:23] <Vince-0> ya he will figure it out 
[08:24] <magespawn> back, power failure
[08:24] <Squirm> :P
[08:24] <Squirm> fun
[08:29] <Kilos> ai! power in za sucks at times
[08:34] <Symmetria> hahahahaha
[08:34] <Symmetria> no it doesnt :) not compared to elsewhere 
[08:58] <Kilos> oh my
[09:28] <magespawn> back again
[09:34] <theblazehen> "1GB all-network data, and unlimited Telkom Mobile data for R99 per month" Eh?
[09:34] <theblazehen> ThatGraemeGuy: also includes a phone in the R99/month
[09:36] <theblazehen> http://mybroadband.co.za/news/cellular/111038-cell-c-free-whatsapp-what-about-voice-data.html hmm, might be worth getting TCP over Whatsapp working... :D
[09:36] <theblazehen> "send pictures, voice messages, videos, and text messages " :D
[09:36] <magespawn> does not sound too bad as long as you have telkom coverage
[09:37] <theblazehen> Wonder what the quality of voice messages are... Can probably use it with some kinda software modem
[09:38] <theblazehen> http://www.whence.com/minimodem/ :D
[09:39] <Squirm> theblazehen: maybe just use voice notes in WhatsApp?
[09:39] <Squirm> isn't that what they're referring to?
[09:39] <theblazehen> Squirm: yeah, voice notes, with FSK for data transfer
[09:42] <theblazehen> Squirm: "isn't that what they're referring to?" Where?
[09:49] <charl> good morning all
[09:49] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[09:49]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[09:50] <theblazehen> hi charl
[09:50] <theblazehen> maaz: Coffee please
[09:50] <Maaz> theblazehen: Yessir
[09:50] <charl> forget about those crappy ftth deals, this is more what i'm walking about http://mybroadband.co.za/news/adsl/111370-biggest-adsl-downloaders-in-south-africa-2.html
[09:50] <charl> hi theblazehen 
[09:51] <charl> every person needs to consume at least a terabyte or two per month
[09:51] <theblazehen> charl: nice :)
[09:51] <charl> why, because it's like pre-dinner mayonnaise, it's good for you
[09:53] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl and theblazehen!
[09:53] <charl> Maaz: thanks
[09:53] <Maaz> charl: Okay :-)
[09:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> how would i possibly consume a terabyte per month legitimately?
[09:55] <theblazehen> ThatGraemeGuy: linux ISO's, or that new south african netflix-kinda site?
[09:55] <charl> IPTV takes a lot of bandwidth if you don't stream over-compressed full hd
[09:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> I should re-install my OS every 5 minutes?
[09:55] <theblazehen> ThatGraemeGuy: Yes!
[09:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah makes sense
[09:56] <charl> netflix is mostly over-compressed though but you do get some really good content from youtube now
[09:56] <charl> youtube used to look horrible but i've seen some great stuff in the last year
[09:57] <charl> and we're now also starting with 4k ultra hd
[09:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> what's an average 1.5 hour movie at 1080p? 8GB?
[09:59] <charl> you can get 1440p on youtube now http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUjmmz4FqeY
[09:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> 1TB is a looooot of time sitting on your ass watching movies
[10:00] <charl> ThatGraemeGuy: nonono, you're thinking over-compressed pirated copies
[10:00] <ThatGraemeGuy> heh
[10:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> i guess i don't really share the "download ALL THE THINGS!!!" mentality
[10:02] <charl> this is an old post but https://gigaom.com/2013/03/01/4k-broadband-caps/
[10:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> south african internet users are like the kid who was denied sweets and cholocates all his life suddenly being let loose in a candy
[10:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> store
[10:03] <charl> 4K downloads will weigh in at a whopping 100 GB a piece
[10:03]  * theblazehen wants a 4k display...
[10:03] <theblazehen> Anyone here got one?
[10:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> i just want my adsl back
[10:04] <theblazehen> ThatGraemeGuy: what happened?
[10:04] <charl> http://www.theverge.com/2013/2/28/4040932/sony-4k-movie-service-will-work-with-ps4-require-100gb-plus-downloads
[10:04] <ThatGraemeGuy> my local copper liberation front was hard at work on saturday
[10:04] <charl> there in big orange letters "THE WHOLE WORLD IS MOVING MORE AND MORE TO DOWNLOAD."
[10:04] <ThatGraemeGuy> south africa is not the whole world
[10:05] <charl> lol
[10:05] <charl> the whole world, except south africa
[10:05] <charl> you see, japan has the bandwidth, *some* european countries have too (not all)
[10:06] <charl> this makes it an exclusive service to some countries just due to internet access
[10:06] <charl> i have 90mbps uncapped at home so for me it should be no problem
[10:07] <charl> but people in belgium for example have (or used to have, in any case) 300gb per month or so caps
[10:08] <charl> but yeah if you watch only 10 or 20 hours per month of 3k tv you will end up going over 1tb i guess
[10:08] <charl> *4k
[10:08] <charl> Symmetria: is kenya ready? :P
[10:21] <JabberwockyA19> charl: you get 2160p on youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUvwba4DMLY
[10:21] <JabberwockyA19> that's the best I've seen
[10:22] <JabberwockyA19> not that my display can actually show it without zooming / cropping
[10:27] <charl> ah that is 4k then
[10:27] <charl> if even youtube supports it the writing is on the wall
[10:28] <charl> https://www.youtube.com/yt/press/en/statistics.html
[10:28] <charl> According to Nielsen, YouTube reaches more US adults ages 18-34 than any cable network
[10:29] <charl> Over 6 billion hours of video are watched each month on YouTube—that's almost an hour for every person on Earth
[10:34] <bushtech> why do I get the distinct feeling that I'm sucking on the hind ...
[10:37] <Squirm> I uploaded a 4K GoPro video to YouTube, but it dropped it down to 2160p
[10:38] <Squirm> and then when I edited it on YouTube, down to 1080p
[10:48] <Kilos> anyone using this http://viber.com/#nokia
[10:49] <Trixar_za> Well damn
[10:49] <Trixar_za> I saw viber and I came up with a very inappropriate attachment for a mobile phone
[10:52] <Kilos> oh Trixar_za  my niece has some wise comment you might like
[10:53] <Kilos> our body contains 70% water so she isnt fat, just water logged
[10:57] <Trixar_za> lol
[10:58] <Trixar_za> Btw Squirm, I just realized something
[10:58] <Trixar_za> When Shaolin was here, I got them lost giving me a lift home too.
[11:40] <Squirm> lol Trixar_za 
[11:46] <charl> Squirm: it couldn't have "dropped" it down to 2160p because 4k *is* 2160p i thought?
[11:46] <charl> Kilos: i happen to know one or two people using viber
[11:47] <Kilos> i was trying to get whatsapp working on pidgin when i saw that charl  . 
[11:47] <charl> there are a *lot* of alternatives to whatsapp right now, especially post-nsa
[11:48] <charl> i think the big feature of viber is free calls
[11:48] <charl> nice thing is, they have a debian package also for the desktop
[11:48] <Kilos> alternatives dont help me i need to get whatsapp going because thats what my contacts use
[11:48] <Kilos> mxit seems to be dying
[11:49] <charl> mxit still exists?
[11:49] <Kilos> fone peeps complain it eats battery that whatsapp doesnt
[11:49] <charl> ah yes i hear whatsapp is really well optimised in that regard
[11:49] <Kilos> yeah they offering R2 for every person you bring to mxit hehe
[11:50] <charl> heh they are getting desperate indeed
[11:51] <Kilos> i chat to tara on mxit from pc and xmpp from tablet when rugby is on
[11:52] <charl> which xmpp client do you use ?
[11:52] <charl> on the tablet
[11:55] <Kilos> i use xmpp in pidgin she chats from her mail account i think
[11:55] <charl> ah
[11:55] <Kilos> even my boet uses mxit still from dubai but also uses whatsapp on his bb
[11:57] <Kilos> basically looks like mxit is dead for cellphones
[11:58] <Kilos> but on pc mxit is faster than xmpp aim and all the others
[12:02] <charl> interesting
[12:02] <charl> does mxit still offer a xmpp gateway? the used to have one but they closed it down some time ago i thought
[12:03] <Kilos> biggest weakness in mobile devices is battery life
[12:04] <Kilos> i dunno , pidgin just shows mxit
[12:05] <Kilos> id be lost without pidgin
[12:27] <Squirm> hmm
[12:27] <Squirm> bittorrent developed a chat application
[12:27] <Squirm> charl: I thought 4K was 4*HD, being 4096?
[12:27] <Squirm> but that seems wrong now
[12:28] <Squirm> 3840 × 2160
[12:28] <Squirm> ah
[12:28] <Squirm> DCI 4K (native resolution)	4096 × 2160
[12:29] <Squirm> alright then
[12:38] <charl> :)
[13:17] <charl> SSL 3.0 vulnerability to be revealed hahaha
[13:37] <ThatGraemeGuy> :'(
[14:31] <Vince-0> Sup Kilos ? 
[14:31] <Vince-0> I'm going to do some weighing tonight
[14:32] <Kilos> hahaha np Vince-0  
[14:33] <Kilos> weigh yourself first
[14:35] <Vince-0> already did
[14:35] <Vince-0> and getting fat sitting on my arse all day
[14:36] <Kilos> lol
[14:37] <Kilos> its not the sitting its the eating
[14:37] <Vince-0> nort hey, diet is good I eat mostly veg and little carbs - sitting is the nicotene of our generation
[14:37] <Kilos> you gonna have to start jogging too
[14:37] <Vince-0> ya moving is a problem
[14:38] <Vince-0> and I started playing space engineers - losing many hours to it
[14:49] <Kilos> lol
[14:49] <Kilos> sorry had to go move vehicle for sis
[14:49] <Vince-0> im out! Until later
[15:22] <Kilos> what does this mean??  [Error] /:)qÐZÕÞWHO: Unknown command.
[15:23] <Kilos> came in here while i was outside putting sheep away
[15:30] <Kilos> hi Xethron  or wb
[16:51] <Squirm> hello
[17:20] <Kilos> hello Squirm  
[17:22] <Kilos> hi Tonberry  
[17:22] <Tonberry> hi
[17:32] <charl> hi Tonberry 
[18:07] <Kilos> wb Vince-0  
[18:07] <Vince-0> haa
[18:07] <Vince-0> i
[18:30] <inetpro> good evenin
[18:35] <Kilos> evening inetpro  
[18:49] <charl> good evening Vince-0, inetpro
[19:23] <Vince-0> sup
[19:36] <Kilos> have you weighed Vince-0  
[19:36] <Kilos> ?
[19:36] <Vince-0> about to
[19:36] <Vince-0> do you want this old scsi drive?
[19:42] <Kilos> all and any you have please
[19:43] <Kilos> im almost falling asleep here. must be getting old i think
[19:45] <Vince-0> ya me2 still have work to do
[19:45] <Vince-0> chat tomorrow!
[19:46] <Kilos> haha you also getting old
[19:47] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight. that includes you inetpro  
[19:47] <Kilos> hi bye superfly  
[20:32] <magespawn> hi all
[20:33] <magespawn> anybody using sysdig?
[20:33] <magespawn> http://www.sysdig.org/