| bluesabre | its a proper way to make sure gdmflexiserver is still A-OK | 00:00 |
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| bluesabre | we're in linux-land, where people use xfce4-session, wingpanel, nautilus, and dragon media player in the same environment | 00:00 |
| brainwash | poor guys | 00:01 |
| bluesabre | ... and then report printing bugs on parole | 00:03 |
| bluesabre | :) | 00:03 |
| brainwash | did printing break again? dammit, you had one job, parole! | 00:06 |
| bluesabre | :D | 00:06 |
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| elfy | bluesabre: tried to confirm that feh comment | 06:33 |
| elfy | couldn't though | 06:33 |
| ochosi | morning everyone | 07:09 |
| ochosi | elfy: what feh comment? | 07:09 |
| Unit193 | elfy: He looked at it as well, worked for a second then nope. | 07:09 |
| elfy | ochosi: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1375893/comments/4 | 07:10 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 1375893 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Black background to Try/Install Dialogue" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 07:10 |
| ochosi | right, re: that, i still haven't been able to reach xnox | 07:10 |
| ochosi | so if any of you sees him around, please don't hesitate to ping him about this bug | 07:11 |
| elfy | not seen him for a while | 07:18 |
| Unit193 | 19:45:29 | 07:19 |
| ali1234 | i installed ffmpeg, now tumblerd segfaults every single time i open thunar | 10:03 |
| bluesabre | yikes | 10:24 |
| bluesabre | Noskcaj: you around? | 11:14 |
| Noskcaj | bluesabre, Yeah | 18:53 |
| knome | tsr_dev, connection problems? | 19:50 |
| tsr_dev | yeah, sorry guys, think I've sorted myself out now! | 19:51 |
| pleia2 | meeting in 10 \o/ | 19:51 |
| pleia2 | or 9 | 19:51 |
| elfy | or 1 | 19:59 |
| knome | :) | 19:59 |
| pleia2 | hello Xubuntu-ers! | 20:00 |
| knome | hullo | 20:00 |
| pleia2 | #startmeeting Xubuntu Community Meeting | 20:00 |
| meetingology | Meeting started Tue Oct 14 20:00:58 2014 UTC. The chair is pleia2. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. | 20:00 |
| meetingology | Available commands: action commands idea info link nick | 20:00 |
| pleia2 | #chair knome elfy | 20:00 |
| meetingology | Current chairs: elfy knome pleia2 | 20:00 |
| knome | o/ | 20:01 |
| pleia2 | who else is here? :) | 20:01 |
| knome | (promised to help if needed) | 20:01 |
| elfy | who knows ... | 20:01 |
| slickymasterWork | o/ ish | 20:01 |
| skellat | o/ | 20:01 |
| pleia2 | #chair slickymasterWork | 20:02 |
| meetingology | Current chairs: elfy knome pleia2 slickymasterWork | 20:02 |
| pleia2 | w00t | 20:02 |
| slickymasterWork | lol | 20:02 |
| pleia2 | ok | 20:02 |
| pleia2 | #topic Open action items | 20:02 |
| elfy | #chair skellat | 20:02 |
| meetingology | Current chairs: elfy knome pleia2 skellat slickymasterWork | 20:02 |
| pleia2 | #done pleia2 to contact unixstickers | 20:02 |
| knome | ooh, what's their reply? | 20:02 |
| pleia2 | I emailed them this morning, so we'll get a response someday :) | 20:02 |
| knome | okay | 20:03 |
| elfy | :) | 20:03 |
| pleia2 | knome: re: translations list email, is that https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2014-October/010427.html ? | 20:05 |
| pleia2 | that's the last action item from last meeting | 20:05 |
| * knome checks | 20:05 | |
| knome | yes, that's the thread | 20:05 |
| slickymasterWork | yeaps | 20:05 |
| slickymasterWork | the pad is over at http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-apps-translations | 20:05 |
| knome | and the pad is linked in the mail too | 20:05 |
| slickymasterWork | maybe it could be moved to the process page now | 20:05 |
| knome | yep, we have an agenda item for that | 20:06 |
| slickymasterWork | okie dokie | 20:06 |
| knome | so maybe you both should read the meetings page ;) | 20:06 |
| slickymasterWork | will you do it knome? | 20:06 |
| knome | i will | 20:06 |
| slickymasterWork | lol | 20:06 |
| * slickymasterWork has been having a hell of a day | 20:06 | |
| slickymasterWork | still working :P | 20:06 |
| pleia2 | heh | 20:07 |
| pleia2 | alright, that's all the action items | 20:07 |
| pleia2 | #topic Team updates | 20:07 |
| pleia2 | I don't think I've done anything | 20:07 |
| knome | #done knome has worked on improving the process documentation | 20:07 |
| skellat | #info skellat has continued AskUbuntu patrol and the question mis-tagging where xubuntu is tagged instead of something else remains fairly high | 20:08 |
| elfy | #info Testing is still in the doldrums | 20:08 |
| elfy | #info RC testing isn't likely to be around till the weekend earliest | 20:08 |
| skellat | #info skellat and brainwash have been doing bug sorting/reassignments | 20:09 |
| knome | #done knome has been working with elfy et al. planning the QA processes and improvements for the V cycle and beyond | 20:09 |
| skellat | Victorious Velociraptor! | 20:10 |
| pleia2 | so, any other updates? | 20:12 |
| knome | hmm | 20:12 |
| knome | #done bluesabre has uploaded some translation updates and bugfixes for packages | 20:13 |
| knome | i think that's it | 20:13 |
| knome | we're past pretty much all freezes, so quiet | 20:13 |
| pleia2 | ok, let's have some discussion! | 20:13 |
| pleia2 | #topic Translations important for Xubuntu | 20:13 |
| knome | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2014-October/010427.html | 20:13 |
| pleia2 | #link https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2014-October/010427.html | 20:13 |
| knome | this is the discussion | 20:13 |
| knome | has anybody anything else to add, or should we move the list to the processes page as is (remember, it's easy enough to update) | 20:14 |
| slickymasterWork | IMO it should be moved as is | 20:15 |
| knome | #action knome to move the "translations important for xubuntu" list to the processes page, discussion can continue when needed | 20:15 |
| meetingology | ACTION: knome to move the "translations important for xubuntu" list to the processes page, discussion can continue when needed | 20:15 |
| knome | let's move on :) | 20:15 |
| pleia2 | #topic Testing processes change proposal | 20:16 |
| pleia2 | #link http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-qa-v-cycle | 20:17 |
| knome | i think that at this point, it would be great if all team members could go through the pad, and comment where appropriate | 20:17 |
| elfy | draft it is - would be good to see responses and discussions about that on the mailing list from the rest of team if not the pad | 20:18 |
| pleia2 | where do I put "making a usb image is hard"? | 20:18 |
| elfy | it's important to me to get this sorted - while no-one should be expected to test all cycle long - apart from perhaps me | 20:18 |
| knome | pleia2, add it somewhere | 20:18 |
| elfy | but if next cycle I get the same apathy then I'll be done and someone else can do it | 20:19 |
| elfy | blunt perhaps - but that's how team has made me feel about it | 20:19 |
| elfy | what's even worse is people in team talking about installing this version and not showing up on the tracker | 20:20 |
| knome | elfy, i was thinking that after N days of commenting time, we could put up a more formalized proposal up on the list, and then run that through the minimal bureaucracy we have, then start working with the work items that pop up from that | 20:20 |
| pleia2 | there | 20:20 |
| knome | pleia2, thanks ;) | 20:20 |
| skellat | Do we need to have new/improved tutorial(s) on creating USB boot devices? | 20:22 |
| elfy | knome: perhaps | 20:22 |
| knome | skellat, i just wrote that in the pad | 20:22 |
| elfy | also I would love for team to fill in the gaps on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Testing/TeamHardware | 20:22 |
| pleia2 | just improve this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick | 20:22 |
| knome | #action knome to write a more formalized proposal about the QA process improvements with elfy after N days of comments/feedback for the pad | 20:22 |
| meetingology | ACTION: knome to write a more formalized proposal about the QA process improvements with elfy after N days of comments/feedback for the pad | 20:22 |
| Unit193 | Hmmm. So at this point not fully sure what's wanted and useful. It was almost asked, but not quite. | 20:23 |
| knome | #action xubuntu-quality to look how they can help the ubuntu QA team to update/improve the wiki | 20:23 |
| meetingology | ACTION: xubuntu-quality to look how they can help the ubuntu QA team to update/improve the wiki | 20:23 |
| knome | #nick xubuntu-quality | 20:23 |
| elfy | please don't action me for things knome | 20:24 |
| elfy | without asking | 20:24 |
| elfy | that is :) | 20:24 |
| knome | elfy, well i'm sorry... i was the main actioner anyway; if you don't want to do that, i'll just do it myself :P | 20:24 |
| Unit193 | elfy: Hate to be a pain, but that testing page, is that installs/upgrades or do live count too? | 20:24 |
| elfy | Unit193: I don't understand the question | 20:24 |
| knome | elfy, what i mean is... i don't consider you responsible for that item :) | 20:24 |
| knome | (even if the bot picks you up for that, so you can just ignore) | 20:25 |
| knome | (i'll be in touch with you) | 20:25 |
| elfy | knome: well for the most part I am xubuntu-quality as most of the rest is just people's names it seems | 20:25 |
| knome | elfy, ah... | 20:25 |
| knome | elfy, i consider all team-items to be loose-ended and not assigned to anybody either. | 20:26 |
| skellat | #nick xubuntu-bugs | 20:26 |
| knome | elfy, i'll probably take the first part and talk with balloons on what he thinks we (the ubuntu qa team) should improve in the wiki | 20:26 |
| skellat | #action xubuntu-bugs to collaborate more with QA and other teams during 15.04 cycle | 20:26 |
| meetingology | ACTION: xubuntu-bugs to collaborate more with QA and other teams during 15.04 cycle | 20:26 |
| knome | skellat, if you add action items, add something actionable :) | 20:26 |
| skellat | #undo | 20:27 |
| meetingology | Removing item from minutes: ACTION | 20:27 |
| elfy | Unit193: livesessions are part of the iso testing if that's what you mean | 20:27 |
| knome | but i agree that what you wrote is needed | 20:27 |
| skellat | #action xubuntu-bugs to create triage plan with QA | 20:27 |
| meetingology | ACTION: xubuntu-bugs to create triage plan with QA | 20:27 |
| Unit193 | elfy: I can list 'hardware' if I don't have to install or otherwise touch the installation. I do of course have 2 I can (and do) run upgrade tests on. | 20:28 |
| elfy | oic sorry - that page | 20:28 |
| elfy | if you don't want me to assume you can do something don't tick it :) | 20:29 |
| knome | pleia2, gosh, that page is like wall of text | 20:29 |
| pleia2 | knome: sure is | 20:29 |
| knome | instead of million different ways to do it, i think we need one that works | 20:30 |
| pleia2 | they're all broken sometimes | 20:30 |
| elfy | pleia2: you'll not see me telling people to testdrive - you'll see me telling people to not do that :) | 20:30 |
| slickymasterWork | exactly knome | 20:30 |
| knome | i would advise against testdrive as well. | 20:30 |
| pleia2 | elfy: yeah, but looking at the Ubuntu QA docs, they all talk about testdrive | 20:30 |
| elfy | knome: so last cycle - unetbootin was \o/ and the buntu tool was /o\ | 20:30 |
| elfy | other way round this cycle | 20:31 |
| pleia2 | I was looking the other day after I submitted that bug about how I was using unetbootin and a response was like "you're supposed to just use dd to copy them" | 20:31 |
| knome | testdrive is not well maintained, and adds just another layer of possible places for bugs to hide | 20:31 |
| pleia2 | really? I've been doing ISO testing for 2 years and I didn't "know" you are "supposed to use dd"? | 20:31 |
| elfy | pleia2: I think the best thing is to write our own page - certainly more likely to be maintained | 20:31 |
| pleia2 | elfy: that would be a good start | 20:31 |
| knome | or something under the QA team | 20:31 |
| pleia2 | we can push on QA team to fix their docs once we have something better | 20:32 |
| pleia2 | I'm kind of sick of working with the Ubuntu QA team tbh, like talking to a wall | 20:32 |
| elfy | knome: I'd certainly be making it a https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Testing/foo page | 20:32 |
| knome | i go to the QA team wiki, and i don't even know where i can get instructions to start helping out. | 20:32 |
| pleia2 | I shouldn't say that, where's the #undo for meeting logs? :) | 20:32 |
| knome | pleia2, no, that's your official statement now :P | 20:32 |
| pleia2 | hehe | 20:32 |
| skellat | At least it isn't "ex cathedra" | 20:32 |
| knome | pleia2, just threatening balloons directly usually works :P | 20:33 |
| elfy | ha ha ha | 20:33 |
| * pleia2 too polite | 20:33 | |
| skellat | I thought I was the one called fairly hostile in a separate thread elsewhere. Am I the designated attack dog or something? | 20:33 |
| pleia2 | anyway, yes, better docs for usb sticks | 20:33 |
| elfy | skellat: I'm happy enough to work towards some sort of triage plan - but it will have to come after planning the test cycle | 20:33 |
| skellat | elfy: Agreed | 20:34 |
| elfy | I'm generally the blunt one - good to not be the only one :p | 20:34 |
| knome | i guess i'm considered blunt as well | 20:34 |
| knome | but at least i'm not the one spamming contributor lists full of borderline (and way out) discussions | 20:35 |
| elfy | #action QA (in conjunction with others) to sort usb docs | 20:35 |
| meetingology | ACTION: QA (in conjunction with others) to sort usb docs | 20:35 |
| knome | #undo | 20:35 |
| meetingology | Removing item from minutes: ACTION | 20:35 |
| knome | #action xubuntu-quality (in conjunction with others) to sort USB docs | 20:36 |
| meetingology | ACTION: xubuntu-quality (in conjunction with others) to sort USB docs | 20:36 |
| elfy | #undo | 20:36 |
| meetingology | Removing item from minutes: ACTION | 20:36 |
| knome | :D | 20:36 |
| elfy | #action xubuntu-quality (in conjunction with others) to sort USB docs by beginning of V cycle | 20:36 |
| meetingology | ACTION: xubuntu-quality (in conjunction with others) to sort USB docs by beginning of V cycle | 20:36 |
| knome | great | 20:36 |
| slickymasterWork | lol | 20:36 |
| elfy | there - no need to go on about that next meeting :) | 20:36 |
| pleia2 | thank you :) | 20:36 |
| skellat | Victorious Velociraptor! | 20:37 |
| pleia2 | I sidetracked with my usb rant, was there other stuff on this topic? | 20:37 |
| elfy | mmm | 20:37 |
| knome | just that everybody in team should read it | 20:37 |
| knome | and comment if they feel like it | 20:37 |
| * pleia2 nods | 20:37 | |
| knome | i mean, | 20:37 |
| skellat | pleia2: If we can't get USB booting to work, that damages testing greatly. That's not a sidetrack at all. | 20:37 |
| knome | if they have anything to comment | 20:37 |
| elfy | #action xubuntu-team to read http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-qa-v-cycle and comment | 20:38 |
| meetingology | ACTION: xubuntu-team to read http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-qa-v-cycle and comment | 20:38 |
| knome | #nick xubuntu-team | 20:38 |
| pleia2 | skellat: could be I'm just stupid :) | 20:38 |
| skellat | pleia2: No, I've seen those issues too | 20:38 |
| pleia2 | good | 20:38 |
| elfy | so has more or less everyone this cycle | 20:39 |
| skellat | And I use dd | 20:39 |
| knome | maybe you're both just stupid | 20:39 |
| knome | ugh, can i take that off from the logs? ;P | 20:39 |
| elfy | and then you get vbox issues if you're using that | 20:39 |
| pleia2 | I have real hardware, I feel my testing time is most valuable there, vbox is when I'm lazy | 20:39 |
| elfy | talking of which ... | 20:39 |
| elfy | if nothing happens between now and the 23rd we'll be stuck with 2 issues I know of | 20:40 |
| skellat | Which are? | 20:40 |
| elfy | the black background - which is us specific | 20:40 |
| elfy | and the tty1/tty7 issue in vbox which I think is *buntu wide | 20:40 |
| skellat | Do we have bug numbers? | 20:41 |
| elfy | bug 1378423 for the vbox one | 20:42 |
| knome | no | 20:42 |
| knome | :P | 20:42 |
| ubottu | bug 1378423 in xorg (Ubuntu) "Virtualbox boots to black screen with daily" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1378423 | 20:42 |
| elfy | bug 1375893 for the background | 20:42 |
| ubottu | bug 1375893 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Black background to Try/Install Dialogue" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1375893 | 20:42 |
| skellat | And neither with much traction in the bug reports | 20:45 |
| skellat | elfy: Has there been anything from balloons level on those? | 20:45 |
| elfy | skellat: balloons is more than aware of the vbox issue | 20:46 |
| * elfy has done nothing BUT find vbox issues this cycle ... | 20:46 | |
| elfy | and ochosi has been trying to catch up with xnox re the other - if anyone else sees xnox try and grab him about it | 20:46 |
| elfy | we've had the same thing before | 20:47 |
| * pleia2 nods | 20:47 | |
| skellat | Have we had any lateral interaction with other flavors on the vbox bug? | 20:47 |
| knome | next meeting? | 20:47 |
| pleia2 | I'm ready to move on if elfy is | 20:48 |
| slickymasterWork | it's up to elfy the next one | 20:48 |
| elfy | skellat: I tried some of that in other cycles | 20:48 |
| pleia2 | and I shall test lots if I can get my usb sticks to behave! | 20:48 |
| elfy | pleia2: yep - move on - it's just morped now | 20:48 |
| pleia2 | #topic Schedule next meeting | 20:48 |
| elfy | http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=Xubuntu+Team+Meeting&iso=20141021T20&ah=1 | 20:48 |
| knome | elfy is up next too | 20:48 |
| elfy | then | 20:48 |
| knome | in a week? | 20:49 |
| knome | ok | 20:49 |
| elfy | next Tuesday same time - 2 days before release | 20:49 |
| skellat | ACK | 20:49 |
| slickymasterWork | dito | 20:49 |
| pleia2 | meeting agenda: TEST ISOS YOU LAZY GITS | 20:49 |
| elfy | knome: so if it's not next week - it's in VV ;) | 20:49 |
| knome | :D | 20:49 |
| knome | elfy, yep | 20:49 |
| pleia2 | thanks elfy :) | 20:49 |
| knome | why can't i sync my calendar.. | 20:49 |
| pleia2 | #action elfy to announce next meeting | 20:50 |
| meetingology | ACTION: elfy to announce next meeting | 20:50 |
| pleia2 | #endmeeting | 20:50 |
| meetingology | Meeting ended Tue Oct 14 20:50:17 2014 UTC. | 20:50 |
| meetingology | Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2014/xubuntu-devel.2014-10-14-20.00.moin.txt | 20:50 |
| knome | pleia2, he just did :P | 20:50 |
| pleia2 | on the mailing list! | 20:50 |
| slickymasterWork | thanks pleia2 | 20:50 |
| pleia2 | and do the wiki things and stuff | 20:50 |
| elfy | thanks pleia2 | 20:50 |
| pleia2 | I honestly have no idea where I'll be during that meeting | 20:50 |
| elfy | neither have I | 20:50 |
| * Unit193 got the calendar. | 20:50 | |
| skellat | I may have a LoCo Council meeting next Tuesday | 20:51 |
| skellat | If there is business for us to transact, of course | 20:51 |
| elfy | as long as you appear on the tracker skellat you can miss the meeting ;) | 20:51 |
| pleia2 | ooh, that's 4pm eastern, so I might be layovering in charlotte | 20:52 |
| Unit193 | Good time for me. | 20:52 |
| Unit193 | ...Not that it matters of course. | 20:52 |
| elfy | of course it does :) | 20:52 |
| elfy | you'll be in charge of QA stuff if I'm running the meeting :D | 20:52 |
| pleia2 | ++ | 20:53 |
| Unit193 | Uh oh. | 20:54 |
| elfy | I think the minutes are up right | 20:57 |
| pleia2 | no, I haven't done anything yet | 20:58 |
| elfy | lol | 20:58 |
| pleia2 | haz work, willd o later | 20:58 |
| elfy | I did :) | 20:58 |
| elfy | pleia2: can forget about it :) | 20:58 |
| pleia2 | oh! thank you | 20:58 |
| elfy | <- thoughtful sometimes | 20:58 |
| elfy | :) | 20:58 |
| Unit193 | Hey! The wiki let me login in under 10 minutes. \o/ | 20:59 |
| elfy | yay | 20:59 |
| elfy | take a picture :p | 20:59 |
| elfy | cya tomorrow | 21:20 |
| Unit193 | pleia2: Debian #752178, debian #762841 fixed in unetbootin 608-1. | 22:13 |
| ubottu | Debian bug 752178 in unetbootin "[unetbootin] The resulting usb pendrive looping with menu.c32 error" [Serious,Fixed] http://bugs.debian.org/752178 | 22:13 |
| ubottu | Debian bug 762841 in unetbootin "unetbootin: The resulting usb pendrive looping with menu.c32 error" [Normal,Fixed] http://bugs.debian.org/762841 | 22:13 |
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