[00:00] <bluesabre> its a proper way to make sure gdmflexiserver is still A-OK
[00:00] <bluesabre> we're in linux-land, where people use xfce4-session, wingpanel, nautilus, and dragon media player in the same environment
[00:01] <brainwash> poor guys
[00:03] <bluesabre> ... and then report printing bugs on parole
[00:03] <bluesabre> :)
[00:06] <brainwash> did printing break again? dammit, you had one job, parole!
[00:06] <bluesabre> :D
[06:33] <elfy> bluesabre: tried to confirm that feh comment
[06:33] <elfy> couldn't though 
[07:09] <ochosi> morning everyone
[07:09] <ochosi> elfy: what feh comment?
[07:09] <Unit193> elfy: He looked at it as well, worked for a second then nope.
[07:10] <elfy> ochosi: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1375893/comments/4
[07:10] <ochosi> right, re: that, i still haven't been able to reach xnox
[07:11] <ochosi> so if any of you sees him around, please don't hesitate to ping him about this bug
[07:18] <elfy> not seen him for a while
[07:19] <Unit193> 19:45:29
[10:03] <ali1234> i installed ffmpeg, now tumblerd segfaults every single time i open thunar
[10:24] <bluesabre> yikes
[11:14] <bluesabre> Noskcaj: you around?
[18:53] <Noskcaj> bluesabre, Yeah
[19:50] <knome> tsr_dev, connection problems?
[19:51] <tsr_dev> yeah, sorry guys, think I've sorted myself out now!
[19:51] <pleia2> meeting in 10 \o/
[19:51] <pleia2> or 9
[19:59] <elfy> or 1
[19:59] <knome> :)
[20:00] <pleia2> hello Xubuntu-ers!
[20:00] <knome> hullo
[20:00] <pleia2> #startmeeting Xubuntu Community Meeting
[20:00] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Oct 14 20:00:58 2014 UTC.  The chair is pleia2. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[20:00] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[20:00] <pleia2> #chair knome elfy 
[20:00] <meetingology> Current chairs: elfy knome pleia2
[20:01] <knome> o/
[20:01] <pleia2> who else is here? :)
[20:01] <knome> (promised to help if needed)
[20:01] <elfy> who knows ... 
[20:01] <slickymasterWork> o/ ish
[20:01] <skellat> o/
[20:02] <pleia2> #chair slickymasterWork 
[20:02] <meetingology> Current chairs: elfy knome pleia2 slickymasterWork
[20:02] <pleia2> w00t
[20:02] <slickymasterWork> lol
[20:02] <pleia2> ok
[20:02] <pleia2> #topic Open action items
[20:02] <elfy> #chair skellat
[20:02] <meetingology> Current chairs: elfy knome pleia2 skellat slickymasterWork
[20:02] <pleia2> #done pleia2 to contact unixstickers
[20:02] <knome> ooh, what's their reply?
[20:02] <pleia2> I emailed them this morning, so we'll get a response someday :)
[20:03] <knome> okay
[20:03] <elfy> :)
[20:05] <pleia2> knome: re: translations list email, is that https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2014-October/010427.html ?
[20:05] <pleia2> that's the last action item from last meeting
[20:05]  * knome checks
[20:05] <knome> yes, that's the thread
[20:05] <slickymasterWork> yeaps
[20:05] <slickymasterWork> the pad is over at http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-apps-translations
[20:05] <knome> and the pad is linked in the mail too
[20:05] <slickymasterWork> maybe it could be moved to the process page now
[20:06] <knome> yep, we have an agenda item for that
[20:06] <slickymasterWork> okie dokie
[20:06] <knome> so maybe you both should read the meetings page ;)
[20:06] <slickymasterWork> will you do it knome?
[20:06] <knome> i will
[20:06] <slickymasterWork> lol
[20:06]  * slickymasterWork has been having a hell of a day
[20:06] <slickymasterWork> still working :P
[20:07] <pleia2> heh
[20:07] <pleia2> alright, that's all the action items
[20:07] <pleia2> #topic Team updates
[20:07] <pleia2> I don't think I've done anything
[20:07] <knome> #done knome has worked on improving the process documentation
[20:08] <skellat> #info skellat has continued AskUbuntu patrol and the question mis-tagging where xubuntu is tagged instead of something else remains fairly high
[20:08] <elfy> #info Testing is still in the doldrums
[20:08] <elfy> #info RC testing isn't likely to be around till the weekend earliest
[20:09] <skellat> #info skellat and brainwash have been doing bug sorting/reassignments
[20:09] <knome> #done knome has been working with elfy et al. planning the QA processes and improvements for the V cycle and beyond
[20:10] <skellat> Victorious Velociraptor!
[20:12] <pleia2> so, any other updates?
[20:12] <knome> hmm
[20:13] <knome> #done bluesabre has uploaded some translation updates and bugfixes for packages
[20:13] <knome> i think that's it
[20:13] <knome> we're past pretty much all freezes, so quiet
[20:13] <pleia2> ok, let's have some discussion!
[20:13] <pleia2> #topic Translations important for Xubuntu
[20:13] <knome> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2014-October/010427.html
[20:13] <pleia2> #link https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2014-October/010427.html
[20:13] <knome> this is the discussion
[20:14] <knome> has anybody anything else to add, or should we move the list to the processes page as is (remember, it's easy enough to update)
[20:15] <slickymasterWork>  IMO it should be moved as is
[20:15] <knome> #action knome to move the "translations important for xubuntu" list to the processes page, discussion can continue when needed
[20:15] <meetingology> ACTION: knome to move the "translations important for xubuntu" list to the processes page, discussion can continue when needed
[20:15] <knome> let's move on :)
[20:16] <pleia2> #topic Testing processes change proposal
[20:17] <pleia2> #link http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-qa-v-cycle
[20:17] <knome> i think that at this point, it would be great if all team members could go through the pad, and comment where appropriate
[20:18] <elfy> draft it is - would be good to see responses and discussions about that on the mailing list from the rest of team if not the pad
[20:18] <pleia2> where do I put "making a usb image is hard"?
[20:18] <elfy> it's important to me to get this sorted - while no-one should be expected to test all cycle long - apart from perhaps me 
[20:18] <knome> pleia2, add it somewhere
[20:19] <elfy> but if next cycle I get the same apathy then I'll be done and someone else can do it
[20:19] <elfy> blunt perhaps - but that's how team has made me feel about it
[20:20] <elfy> what's even worse is people in team talking about installing this version and not showing up on the tracker
[20:20] <knome> elfy, i was thinking that after N days of commenting time, we could put up a more formalized proposal up on the list, and then run that through the minimal bureaucracy we have, then start working with the work items that pop up from that
[20:20] <pleia2> there
[20:20] <knome> pleia2, thanks ;)
[20:22] <skellat> Do we need to have new/improved tutorial(s) on creating USB boot devices?
[20:22] <elfy> knome: perhaps 
[20:22] <knome> skellat, i just wrote that in the pad
[20:22] <elfy> also I would love for team to fill in the gaps on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Testing/TeamHardware
[20:22] <pleia2> just improve this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick
[20:22] <knome> #action knome to write a more formalized proposal about the QA process improvements with elfy after N days of comments/feedback for the pad
[20:22] <meetingology> ACTION: knome to write a more formalized proposal about the QA process improvements with elfy after N days of comments/feedback for the pad
[20:23] <Unit193> Hmmm.  So at this point not fully sure what's wanted and useful.  It was almost asked, but not quite.
[20:23] <knome> #action xubuntu-quality to look how they can help the ubuntu QA team to update/improve the wiki
[20:23] <meetingology> ACTION: xubuntu-quality to look how they can help the ubuntu QA team to update/improve the wiki
[20:23] <knome> #nick xubuntu-quality
[20:24] <elfy> please don't action me for things knome 
[20:24] <elfy> without asking
[20:24] <elfy> that is :)
[20:24] <knome> elfy, well i'm sorry... i was the main actioner anyway; if you don't want to do that, i'll just do it myself :P
[20:24] <Unit193> elfy: Hate to be a pain, but that testing page, is that installs/upgrades or do live count too?
[20:24] <elfy> Unit193: I don't understand the question
[20:24] <knome> elfy, what i mean is... i don't consider you responsible for that item :)
[20:25] <knome> (even if the bot picks you up for that, so you can just ignore)
[20:25] <knome> (i'll be in touch with you)
[20:25] <elfy> knome: well for the most part I am xubuntu-quality as most of the rest is just people's names it seems
[20:25] <knome> elfy, ah...
[20:26] <knome> elfy, i consider all team-items to be loose-ended and not assigned to anybody either.
[20:26] <skellat> #nick xubuntu-bugs
[20:26] <knome> elfy, i'll probably take the first part and talk with balloons on what he thinks we (the ubuntu qa team) should improve in the wiki
[20:26] <skellat> #action xubuntu-bugs to collaborate more with QA and other teams during 15.04 cycle
[20:26] <meetingology> ACTION: xubuntu-bugs to collaborate more with QA and other teams during 15.04 cycle
[20:26] <knome> skellat, if you add action items, add something actionable :)
[20:27] <skellat> #undo
[20:27] <meetingology> Removing item from minutes: ACTION
[20:27] <elfy> Unit193: livesessions are part of the iso testing if that's what you mean
[20:27] <knome> but i agree that what you wrote is needed
[20:27] <skellat> #action xubuntu-bugs to create triage plan with QA
[20:27] <meetingology> ACTION: xubuntu-bugs to create triage plan with QA
[20:28] <Unit193> elfy: I can list 'hardware' if I don't have to install or otherwise touch the installation.  I do of course have 2 I can (and do) run upgrade tests on.
[20:28] <elfy> oic sorry - that page
[20:29] <elfy> if you don't want me to assume you can do something don't tick it :)
[20:29] <knome> pleia2, gosh, that page is like wall of text
[20:29] <pleia2> knome: sure is
[20:30] <knome> instead of million different ways to do it, i think we need one that works
[20:30] <pleia2> they're all broken sometimes
[20:30] <elfy> pleia2: you'll not see me telling people to testdrive - you'll see me telling people to not do that :)
[20:30] <slickymasterWork> exactly knome 
[20:30] <knome> i would advise against testdrive as well.
[20:30] <pleia2> elfy: yeah, but looking at the Ubuntu QA docs, they all talk about testdrive
[20:30] <elfy> knome: so last cycle - unetbootin was \o/ and the buntu tool was /o\ 
[20:31] <elfy> other way round this cycle
[20:31] <pleia2> I was looking the other day after I submitted that bug about how I was using unetbootin and a response was like "you're supposed to just use dd to copy them"
[20:31] <knome> testdrive is not well maintained, and adds just another layer of possible places for bugs to hide
[20:31] <pleia2> really? I've been doing ISO testing for 2 years and I didn't "know" you are "supposed to use dd"?
[20:31] <elfy> pleia2: I think the best thing is to write our own page - certainly more likely to be maintained
[20:31] <pleia2> elfy: that would be a good start
[20:31] <knome> or something under the QA team
[20:32] <pleia2> we can push on QA team to fix their docs once we have something better
[20:32] <pleia2> I'm kind of sick of working with the Ubuntu QA team tbh, like talking to a wall
[20:32] <elfy> knome: I'd certainly be making it a https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Testing/foo page
[20:32] <knome> i go to the QA team wiki, and i don't even know where i can get instructions to start helping out.
[20:32] <pleia2> I shouldn't say that, where's the #undo for meeting logs? :)
[20:32] <knome> pleia2, no, that's your official statement now :P
[20:32] <pleia2> hehe
[20:32] <skellat> At least it isn't "ex cathedra"
[20:33] <knome> pleia2, just threatening balloons directly usually works :P
[20:33] <elfy> ha ha ha 
[20:33]  * pleia2 too polite
[20:33] <skellat> I thought I was the one called fairly hostile in a separate thread elsewhere.  Am I the designated attack dog or something?
[20:33] <pleia2> anyway, yes, better docs for usb sticks
[20:33] <elfy> skellat: I'm happy enough to work towards some sort of triage plan - but it will have to come after planning the test cycle
[20:34] <skellat> elfy: Agreed
[20:34] <elfy> I'm generally the blunt one - good to not be the only one :p
[20:34] <knome> i guess i'm considered blunt as well
[20:35] <knome> but at least i'm not the one spamming contributor lists full of borderline (and way out) discussions
[20:35] <elfy> #action QA (in conjunction with others) to sort usb docs
[20:35] <meetingology> ACTION: QA (in conjunction with others) to sort usb docs
[20:35] <knome> #undo
[20:35] <meetingology> Removing item from minutes: ACTION
[20:36] <knome> #action xubuntu-quality (in conjunction with others) to sort USB docs
[20:36] <meetingology> ACTION: xubuntu-quality (in conjunction with others) to sort USB docs
[20:36] <elfy> #undo
[20:36] <meetingology> Removing item from minutes: ACTION
[20:36] <knome> :D
[20:36] <elfy> #action xubuntu-quality (in conjunction with others) to sort USB docs by beginning of V cycle
[20:36] <meetingology> ACTION: xubuntu-quality (in conjunction with others) to sort USB docs by beginning of V cycle
[20:36] <knome> great
[20:36] <slickymasterWork> lol
[20:36] <elfy> there - no need to go on about that next meeting :)
[20:36] <pleia2> thank you :)
[20:37] <skellat> Victorious Velociraptor!
[20:37] <pleia2> I sidetracked with my usb rant, was there other stuff on this topic?
[20:37] <elfy> mmm
[20:37] <knome> just that everybody in team should read it
[20:37] <knome> and comment if they feel like it
[20:37]  * pleia2 nods
[20:37] <knome> i mean,
[20:37] <skellat> pleia2: If we can't get USB booting to work, that damages testing greatly.  That's not a sidetrack at all.
[20:37] <knome> if they have anything to comment
[20:38] <elfy> #action xubuntu-team to read http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-qa-v-cycle and comment 
[20:38] <meetingology> ACTION: xubuntu-team to read http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-qa-v-cycle and comment
[20:38] <knome> #nick xubuntu-team
[20:38] <pleia2> skellat: could be I'm just stupid :)
[20:38] <skellat> pleia2: No, I've seen those issues too
[20:38] <pleia2> good
[20:39] <elfy> so has more or less everyone this cycle
[20:39] <skellat> And I use dd 
[20:39] <knome> maybe you're both just stupid
[20:39] <knome> ugh, can i take that off from the logs? ;P
[20:39] <elfy> and then you get vbox issues if you're using that
[20:39] <pleia2> I have real hardware, I feel my testing time is most valuable there, vbox is when I'm lazy 
[20:39] <elfy> talking of which ... 
[20:40] <elfy> if nothing happens between now and the 23rd we'll be stuck with 2 issues I know of
[20:40] <skellat> Which are?
[20:40] <elfy> the black background - which is us specific 
[20:40] <elfy> and the tty1/tty7 issue in vbox which I think is *buntu wide
[20:41] <skellat> Do we have bug numbers?
[20:42] <elfy> bug 1378423 for the vbox one
[20:42] <knome> no
[20:42] <knome> :P
[20:42] <elfy> bug 1375893 for the background
[20:45] <skellat> And neither with much traction in the bug reports
[20:45] <skellat> elfy: Has there been anything from balloons level on those?
[20:46] <elfy> skellat: balloons is more than aware of the vbox issue 
[20:46]  * elfy has done nothing BUT find vbox issues this cycle ... 
[20:46] <elfy> and ochosi has been trying to catch up with xnox re the other - if anyone else sees xnox try and grab him about it
[20:47] <elfy> we've had the same thing before
[20:47]  * pleia2 nods
[20:47] <skellat> Have we had any lateral interaction with other flavors on the vbox bug?
[20:47] <knome> next meeting?
[20:48] <pleia2> I'm ready to move on if elfy is
[20:48] <slickymasterWork>  it's up to elfy the next one
[20:48] <elfy> skellat: I tried some of that in other cycles
[20:48] <pleia2> and I shall test lots if I can get my usb sticks to behave!
[20:48] <elfy> pleia2: yep - move on - it's just morped now
[20:48] <pleia2> #topic Schedule next meeting
[20:48] <elfy> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=Xubuntu+Team+Meeting&iso=20141021T20&ah=1
[20:48] <knome> elfy is up next too
[20:48] <elfy> then
[20:49] <knome> in a week?
[20:49] <knome> ok
[20:49] <elfy> next Tuesday same time - 2 days before release
[20:49] <skellat> ACK
[20:49] <slickymasterWork> dito
[20:49] <pleia2> meeting agenda: TEST ISOS YOU LAZY GITS
[20:49] <elfy> knome: so if it's not next week - it's in VV ;)
[20:49] <knome> :D
[20:49] <knome> elfy, yep
[20:49] <pleia2> thanks elfy :)
[20:49] <knome> why can't i sync my calendar..
[20:50] <pleia2> #action elfy to announce next meeting
[20:50] <meetingology> ACTION: elfy to announce next meeting
[20:50] <pleia2> #endmeeting
[20:50] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Oct 14 20:50:17 2014 UTC.  
[20:50] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2014/xubuntu-devel.2014-10-14-20.00.moin.txt
[20:50] <knome> pleia2, he just did :P
[20:50] <pleia2> on the mailing list!
[20:50] <slickymasterWork> thanks pleia2 
[20:50] <pleia2> and do the wiki things and stuff
[20:50] <elfy> thanks pleia2 
[20:50] <pleia2> I honestly have no idea where I'll be during that meeting
[20:50] <elfy> neither have I
[20:50]  * Unit193 got the calendar.
[20:51] <skellat> I may have a LoCo Council meeting next Tuesday
[20:51] <skellat> If there is business for us to transact, of course
[20:51] <elfy> as long as you appear on the tracker skellat you can miss the meeting ;)
[20:52] <pleia2> ooh, that's 4pm eastern, so I might be layovering in charlotte
[20:52] <Unit193> Good time for me.
[20:52] <Unit193> ...Not that it matters of course.
[20:52] <elfy> of course it does :)
[20:52] <elfy> you'll be in charge of QA stuff if I'm running the meeting :D
[20:53] <pleia2> ++
[20:54] <Unit193> Uh oh.
[20:57] <elfy> I think the minutes are up right
[20:58] <pleia2> no, I haven't done anything yet
[20:58] <elfy> lol
[20:58] <pleia2> haz work, willd o later
[20:58] <elfy> I did :)
[20:58] <elfy> pleia2: can forget about it :)
[20:58] <pleia2> oh! thank you
[20:58] <elfy> <- thoughtful sometimes 
[20:58] <elfy> :)
[20:59] <Unit193> Hey!  The wiki let me login in under 10 minutes. \o/
[20:59] <elfy> yay
[20:59] <elfy> take a picture :p
[21:20] <elfy> cya tomorrow
[22:13] <Unit193> pleia2: Debian #752178, debian #762841 fixed in unetbootin 608-1.