[00:00] its a proper way to make sure gdmflexiserver is still A-OK [00:00] we're in linux-land, where people use xfce4-session, wingpanel, nautilus, and dragon media player in the same environment [00:01] poor guys [00:03] ... and then report printing bugs on parole [00:03] :) [00:06] did printing break again? dammit, you had one job, parole! [00:06] :D === ubott2 is now known as ubottu === meetingology` is now known as meetingology === Punna is now known as Pwnna === dkessel_ is now known as dkessel === forestpi1kie is now known as forespiskie === forespiskie is now known as forestpiskie [06:33] bluesabre: tried to confirm that feh comment [06:33] couldn't though [07:09] morning everyone [07:09] elfy: what feh comment? [07:09] elfy: He looked at it as well, worked for a second then nope. [07:10] ochosi: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1375893/comments/4 [07:10] Ubuntu bug 1375893 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Black background to Try/Install Dialogue" [Undecided,Confirmed] [07:10] right, re: that, i still haven't been able to reach xnox [07:11] so if any of you sees him around, please don't hesitate to ping him about this bug [07:18] not seen him for a while [07:19] 19:45:29 [10:03] i installed ffmpeg, now tumblerd segfaults every single time i open thunar [10:24] yikes [11:14] Noskcaj: you around? [18:53] bluesabre, Yeah [19:50] tsr_dev, connection problems? [19:51] yeah, sorry guys, think I've sorted myself out now! [19:51] meeting in 10 \o/ [19:51] or 9 [19:59] or 1 [19:59] :) [20:00] hello Xubuntu-ers! [20:00] hullo [20:00] #startmeeting Xubuntu Community Meeting [20:00] Meeting started Tue Oct 14 20:00:58 2014 UTC. The chair is pleia2. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [20:00] Available commands: action commands idea info link nick [20:00] #chair knome elfy [20:00] Current chairs: elfy knome pleia2 [20:01] o/ [20:01] who else is here? :) [20:01] (promised to help if needed) [20:01] who knows ... [20:01] o/ ish [20:01] o/ [20:02] #chair slickymasterWork [20:02] Current chairs: elfy knome pleia2 slickymasterWork [20:02] w00t [20:02] lol [20:02] ok [20:02] #topic Open action items [20:02] #chair skellat [20:02] Current chairs: elfy knome pleia2 skellat slickymasterWork [20:02] #done pleia2 to contact unixstickers [20:02] ooh, what's their reply? [20:02] I emailed them this morning, so we'll get a response someday :) [20:03] okay [20:03] :) [20:05] knome: re: translations list email, is that https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2014-October/010427.html ? [20:05] that's the last action item from last meeting [20:05] * knome checks [20:05] yes, that's the thread [20:05] yeaps [20:05] the pad is over at http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-apps-translations [20:05] and the pad is linked in the mail too [20:05] maybe it could be moved to the process page now [20:06] yep, we have an agenda item for that [20:06] okie dokie [20:06] so maybe you both should read the meetings page ;) [20:06] will you do it knome? [20:06] i will [20:06] lol [20:06] * slickymasterWork has been having a hell of a day [20:06] still working :P [20:07] heh [20:07] alright, that's all the action items [20:07] #topic Team updates [20:07] I don't think I've done anything [20:07] #done knome has worked on improving the process documentation [20:08] #info skellat has continued AskUbuntu patrol and the question mis-tagging where xubuntu is tagged instead of something else remains fairly high [20:08] #info Testing is still in the doldrums [20:08] #info RC testing isn't likely to be around till the weekend earliest [20:09] #info skellat and brainwash have been doing bug sorting/reassignments [20:09] #done knome has been working with elfy et al. planning the QA processes and improvements for the V cycle and beyond [20:10] Victorious Velociraptor! [20:12] so, any other updates? [20:12] hmm [20:13] #done bluesabre has uploaded some translation updates and bugfixes for packages [20:13] i think that's it [20:13] we're past pretty much all freezes, so quiet [20:13] ok, let's have some discussion! [20:13] #topic Translations important for Xubuntu [20:13] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2014-October/010427.html [20:13] #link https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2014-October/010427.html [20:13] this is the discussion [20:14] has anybody anything else to add, or should we move the list to the processes page as is (remember, it's easy enough to update) [20:15] IMO it should be moved as is [20:15] #action knome to move the "translations important for xubuntu" list to the processes page, discussion can continue when needed [20:15] ACTION: knome to move the "translations important for xubuntu" list to the processes page, discussion can continue when needed [20:15] let's move on :) [20:16] #topic Testing processes change proposal [20:17] #link http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-qa-v-cycle [20:17] i think that at this point, it would be great if all team members could go through the pad, and comment where appropriate [20:18] draft it is - would be good to see responses and discussions about that on the mailing list from the rest of team if not the pad [20:18] where do I put "making a usb image is hard"? [20:18] it's important to me to get this sorted - while no-one should be expected to test all cycle long - apart from perhaps me [20:18] pleia2, add it somewhere [20:19] but if next cycle I get the same apathy then I'll be done and someone else can do it [20:19] blunt perhaps - but that's how team has made me feel about it [20:20] what's even worse is people in team talking about installing this version and not showing up on the tracker [20:20] elfy, i was thinking that after N days of commenting time, we could put up a more formalized proposal up on the list, and then run that through the minimal bureaucracy we have, then start working with the work items that pop up from that [20:20] there [20:20] pleia2, thanks ;) [20:22] Do we need to have new/improved tutorial(s) on creating USB boot devices? [20:22] knome: perhaps [20:22] skellat, i just wrote that in the pad [20:22] also I would love for team to fill in the gaps on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Testing/TeamHardware [20:22] just improve this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick [20:22] #action knome to write a more formalized proposal about the QA process improvements with elfy after N days of comments/feedback for the pad [20:22] ACTION: knome to write a more formalized proposal about the QA process improvements with elfy after N days of comments/feedback for the pad [20:23] Hmmm. So at this point not fully sure what's wanted and useful. It was almost asked, but not quite. [20:23] #action xubuntu-quality to look how they can help the ubuntu QA team to update/improve the wiki [20:23] ACTION: xubuntu-quality to look how they can help the ubuntu QA team to update/improve the wiki [20:23] #nick xubuntu-quality [20:24] please don't action me for things knome [20:24] without asking [20:24] that is :) [20:24] elfy, well i'm sorry... i was the main actioner anyway; if you don't want to do that, i'll just do it myself :P [20:24] elfy: Hate to be a pain, but that testing page, is that installs/upgrades or do live count too? [20:24] Unit193: I don't understand the question [20:24] elfy, what i mean is... i don't consider you responsible for that item :) [20:25] (even if the bot picks you up for that, so you can just ignore) [20:25] (i'll be in touch with you) [20:25] knome: well for the most part I am xubuntu-quality as most of the rest is just people's names it seems [20:25] elfy, ah... [20:26] elfy, i consider all team-items to be loose-ended and not assigned to anybody either. [20:26] #nick xubuntu-bugs [20:26] elfy, i'll probably take the first part and talk with balloons on what he thinks we (the ubuntu qa team) should improve in the wiki [20:26] #action xubuntu-bugs to collaborate more with QA and other teams during 15.04 cycle [20:26] ACTION: xubuntu-bugs to collaborate more with QA and other teams during 15.04 cycle [20:26] skellat, if you add action items, add something actionable :) [20:27] #undo [20:27] Removing item from minutes: ACTION [20:27] Unit193: livesessions are part of the iso testing if that's what you mean [20:27] but i agree that what you wrote is needed [20:27] #action xubuntu-bugs to create triage plan with QA [20:27] ACTION: xubuntu-bugs to create triage plan with QA [20:28] elfy: I can list 'hardware' if I don't have to install or otherwise touch the installation. I do of course have 2 I can (and do) run upgrade tests on. [20:28] oic sorry - that page [20:29] if you don't want me to assume you can do something don't tick it :) [20:29] pleia2, gosh, that page is like wall of text [20:29] knome: sure is [20:30] instead of million different ways to do it, i think we need one that works [20:30] they're all broken sometimes [20:30] pleia2: you'll not see me telling people to testdrive - you'll see me telling people to not do that :) [20:30] exactly knome [20:30] i would advise against testdrive as well. [20:30] elfy: yeah, but looking at the Ubuntu QA docs, they all talk about testdrive [20:30] knome: so last cycle - unetbootin was \o/ and the buntu tool was /o\ [20:31] other way round this cycle [20:31] I was looking the other day after I submitted that bug about how I was using unetbootin and a response was like "you're supposed to just use dd to copy them" [20:31] testdrive is not well maintained, and adds just another layer of possible places for bugs to hide [20:31] really? I've been doing ISO testing for 2 years and I didn't "know" you are "supposed to use dd"? [20:31] pleia2: I think the best thing is to write our own page - certainly more likely to be maintained [20:31] elfy: that would be a good start [20:31] or something under the QA team [20:32] we can push on QA team to fix their docs once we have something better [20:32] I'm kind of sick of working with the Ubuntu QA team tbh, like talking to a wall [20:32] knome: I'd certainly be making it a https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Testing/foo page [20:32] i go to the QA team wiki, and i don't even know where i can get instructions to start helping out. [20:32] I shouldn't say that, where's the #undo for meeting logs? :) [20:32] pleia2, no, that's your official statement now :P [20:32] hehe [20:32] At least it isn't "ex cathedra" [20:33] pleia2, just threatening balloons directly usually works :P [20:33] ha ha ha [20:33] * pleia2 too polite [20:33] I thought I was the one called fairly hostile in a separate thread elsewhere. Am I the designated attack dog or something? [20:33] anyway, yes, better docs for usb sticks [20:33] skellat: I'm happy enough to work towards some sort of triage plan - but it will have to come after planning the test cycle [20:34] elfy: Agreed [20:34] I'm generally the blunt one - good to not be the only one :p [20:34] i guess i'm considered blunt as well [20:35] but at least i'm not the one spamming contributor lists full of borderline (and way out) discussions [20:35] #action QA (in conjunction with others) to sort usb docs [20:35] ACTION: QA (in conjunction with others) to sort usb docs [20:35] #undo [20:35] Removing item from minutes: ACTION [20:36] #action xubuntu-quality (in conjunction with others) to sort USB docs [20:36] ACTION: xubuntu-quality (in conjunction with others) to sort USB docs [20:36] #undo [20:36] Removing item from minutes: ACTION [20:36] :D [20:36] #action xubuntu-quality (in conjunction with others) to sort USB docs by beginning of V cycle [20:36] ACTION: xubuntu-quality (in conjunction with others) to sort USB docs by beginning of V cycle [20:36] great [20:36] lol [20:36] there - no need to go on about that next meeting :) [20:36] thank you :) [20:37] Victorious Velociraptor! [20:37] I sidetracked with my usb rant, was there other stuff on this topic? [20:37] mmm [20:37] just that everybody in team should read it [20:37] and comment if they feel like it [20:37] * pleia2 nods [20:37] i mean, [20:37] pleia2: If we can't get USB booting to work, that damages testing greatly. That's not a sidetrack at all. [20:37] if they have anything to comment [20:38] #action xubuntu-team to read http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-qa-v-cycle and comment [20:38] ACTION: xubuntu-team to read http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-qa-v-cycle and comment [20:38] #nick xubuntu-team [20:38] skellat: could be I'm just stupid :) [20:38] pleia2: No, I've seen those issues too [20:38] good [20:39] so has more or less everyone this cycle [20:39] And I use dd [20:39] maybe you're both just stupid [20:39] ugh, can i take that off from the logs? ;P [20:39] and then you get vbox issues if you're using that [20:39] I have real hardware, I feel my testing time is most valuable there, vbox is when I'm lazy [20:39] talking of which ... [20:40] if nothing happens between now and the 23rd we'll be stuck with 2 issues I know of [20:40] Which are? [20:40] the black background - which is us specific [20:40] and the tty1/tty7 issue in vbox which I think is *buntu wide [20:41] Do we have bug numbers? [20:42] bug 1378423 for the vbox one [20:42] no [20:42] :P [20:42] bug 1378423 in xorg (Ubuntu) "Virtualbox boots to black screen with daily" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1378423 [20:42] bug 1375893 for the background [20:42] bug 1375893 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Black background to Try/Install Dialogue" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1375893 [20:45] And neither with much traction in the bug reports [20:45] elfy: Has there been anything from balloons level on those? [20:46] skellat: balloons is more than aware of the vbox issue [20:46] * elfy has done nothing BUT find vbox issues this cycle ... [20:46] and ochosi has been trying to catch up with xnox re the other - if anyone else sees xnox try and grab him about it [20:47] we've had the same thing before [20:47] * pleia2 nods [20:47] Have we had any lateral interaction with other flavors on the vbox bug? [20:47] next meeting? [20:48] I'm ready to move on if elfy is [20:48] it's up to elfy the next one [20:48] skellat: I tried some of that in other cycles [20:48] and I shall test lots if I can get my usb sticks to behave! [20:48] pleia2: yep - move on - it's just morped now [20:48] #topic Schedule next meeting [20:48] http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=Xubuntu+Team+Meeting&iso=20141021T20&ah=1 [20:48] elfy is up next too [20:48] then [20:49] in a week? [20:49] ok [20:49] next Tuesday same time - 2 days before release [20:49] ACK [20:49] dito [20:49] meeting agenda: TEST ISOS YOU LAZY GITS [20:49] knome: so if it's not next week - it's in VV ;) [20:49] :D [20:49] elfy, yep [20:49] thanks elfy :) [20:49] why can't i sync my calendar.. [20:50] #action elfy to announce next meeting [20:50] ACTION: elfy to announce next meeting [20:50] #endmeeting [20:50] Meeting ended Tue Oct 14 20:50:17 2014 UTC. [20:50] Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2014/xubuntu-devel.2014-10-14-20.00.moin.txt [20:50] pleia2, he just did :P [20:50] on the mailing list! [20:50] thanks pleia2 [20:50] and do the wiki things and stuff [20:50] thanks pleia2 [20:50] I honestly have no idea where I'll be during that meeting [20:50] neither have I [20:50] * Unit193 got the calendar. [20:51] I may have a LoCo Council meeting next Tuesday [20:51] If there is business for us to transact, of course [20:51] as long as you appear on the tracker skellat you can miss the meeting ;) [20:52] ooh, that's 4pm eastern, so I might be layovering in charlotte [20:52] Good time for me. [20:52] ...Not that it matters of course. [20:52] of course it does :) [20:52] you'll be in charge of QA stuff if I'm running the meeting :D [20:53] ++ [20:54] Uh oh. [20:57] I think the minutes are up right [20:58] no, I haven't done anything yet [20:58] lol [20:58] haz work, willd o later [20:58] I did :) [20:58] pleia2: can forget about it :) [20:58] oh! thank you [20:58] <- thoughtful sometimes [20:58] :) [20:59] Hey! The wiki let me login in under 10 minutes. \o/ [20:59] yay [20:59] take a picture :p [21:20] cya tomorrow [22:13] pleia2: Debian #752178, debian #762841 fixed in unetbootin 608-1. [22:13] Debian bug 752178 in unetbootin "[unetbootin] The resulting usb pendrive looping with menu.c32 error" [Serious,Fixed] http://bugs.debian.org/752178 [22:13] Debian bug 762841 in unetbootin "unetbootin: The resulting usb pendrive looping with menu.c32 error" [Normal,Fixed] http://bugs.debian.org/762841