[06:52] <soee> good morning
[07:05] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:22] <sgclark> morning
[08:22] <Riddell> hola sgclark, you're awake early (late?) today
[08:22] <sgclark> early
[08:23] <sgclark> I was able to get 4.14.2 released yesterday, dunno if you saw
[08:24] <Riddell> awooga
[08:25] <Riddell> for trusty as well as utopic?
[08:25] <sgclark> yep! the script missed a couple packages that I did by hand
[08:26] <Riddell> lovely
[08:26] <apachelogger> Riddell: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2014-October/thread.html
[08:26] <sgclark> did a news announcement as well
[08:26] <apachelogger> Riddell: shadeslayer: did you attend TB yesterday?
[08:26] <apachelogger> sgclark++
[08:29] <Riddell> sgclark: you rock!
[08:30] <Riddell> apachelogger: nobody attented TB, the board didn't turn up to its own meeting
[08:31] <apachelogger> lol
[08:32] <Riddell> I think I'll write a grumpy blog post
[08:37] <apachelogger> Riddell: pitti and slangasek wrote mails though
[08:37] <apachelogger> seems it should be put into proposed to gather feedback
[08:41] <Riddell> well obviously, and yet nobody is brave enough to do it
[08:42] <Riddell> sgclark: did you upload kde-l10n to utopic archive?
[08:42] <sgclark> yes
[08:42] <Riddell> hmm, I'm not seeing it anywhere
[08:43] <Riddell> did you get e-mails?
[08:44] <sgclark> doesn't look like it, hmm
[08:44] <Riddell> disappeared into a void :(
[08:44] <Riddell> never mind I'll grab them from the PPA and upload
[08:44] <sgclark> it seems so.
[11:35] <Riddell> grumpy blog post https://blogs.kde.org/2014/10/15/ubuntus-linux-scheduler-or-why-baloo-might-be-slowing-your-system-1404
[11:37] <Tm_T> Riddell: I've been watching the email conversation with slight grin, "it was better back then, it must be better now although we don't really know"
[11:39] <apachelogger> Riddell: so much text
[11:39] <apachelogger> Tm_T: yeah, it's really very sad
[11:39] <Tm_T> they diverted from upstream but they don't follow if the diversion is needed at all anymore
[11:40] <Riddell> and they didn't consider how it would affect the rest of the archive
[11:41] <Tm_T> I suppose it didn't back then (regardless they considering or not), it does now
[11:41] <Tm_T> I personally would be happy to see way to have similar effect than with ionice without ionice too
[11:42] <Tm_T> that even could be useful in many cases where you cannot rely on having that kernel feature
[11:42] <apachelogger> there is no such case other than on !linux I think
[11:43] <apachelogger> if one uses deadline what deadline does is what is expected and what deadline does conceptually conflicts with the concept of niceness
[11:43] <apachelogger> in deadline everything is more or less considered equal
[11:44] <Riddell> ScottK: do we allow new packages added to the meta package in SRUs? korean dude is asking for korean font to be added (as I have in utopic)
[11:44] <ScottK> Generally not, but for something like that issue, I think yes since it's a significant issue with no alternative fix.
[11:45] <ScottK> Need to make sure it doesn't bust size constraints on the images though.
[11:45] <apachelogger> it likely will
[11:45] <apachelogger> trusty was a tight fit already and I think amd64 even went oversize in .1or2 already xD
[11:46] <Riddell> the next question would be do we care?
[11:46] <ScottK> For the USB images, no.
[11:47] <ScottK> For the DVD, yes.
[11:47] <ScottK> IMO
[11:47] <Riddell> it's the same thing
[11:47] <apachelogger> DVD really shouldn't go oversize from that
[11:47] <apachelogger> it's mostly filled with translations
[11:47] <Riddell> and the 1GB limit is nowhere near any relevant DVD limit
[11:47] <apachelogger> if someone remembered to fill itup ^^
[13:32] <Riddell> ScottK: bug 1335639 for korean issue
[13:47] <sgclark> Riddell: piles of bugs reported for desktop-mime-but-no-exec-code upstream
[13:55] <Riddell> sgclark: yay you rock :)
[13:55] <Riddell> sgclark: of course it's possible lintian is wrong and there's a perfectly good reason for it
[13:55] <Riddell> but I don't think so
[13:56] <sgclark> either way it should be addressed
[13:57] <sgclark> anything else need doing, otherwise back to studying for me
[13:58] <Riddell> well seems RC isn't happening tomorrow so I guess no immediate testing needed
[13:58] <Riddell> instead images from friday tested until following thursday for release
[13:58] <sgclark> ok
[14:06] <Riddell> sgclark: what are you studying?
[14:06] <sgclark> kubuntu-devel
[14:08] <sgclark> I know you think I am ready, but some stuff that I have to know and have not yet encountered. So I must study!
[14:30] <Riddell> apachelogger: I see debian/patches/kubuntu_02_fix_digets_encoding.diff in qoauth which I'm looking to package for qt5, any idea if I still need it?
[14:41] <apachelogger> Riddell: I am not sure I upstreamed it, was needed for ubuntuone IIRC
[14:42] <apachelogger> so considering no one else had a problem it, it might not be necessary or only have affected ubuntuone to begin with
[15:04] <Riddell> manchicken: has the qapt include path changes from QApt to LibQApt ?
[15:32] <Riddell> oh manchicken, why so silent?
[15:32] <apachelogger> Riddell: yes
[15:33] <apachelogger> actually
[15:33] <Riddell> yes what?
[15:33] <apachelogger> Riddell: I think the other way around
[15:33] <apachelogger> frameworks branch uses QApt
[15:36] <Riddell> cool, if I compile muon it compiles against both qt4 and qt5
[15:36] <apachelogger> oh
[15:36] <apachelogger> that sounds peculiar
[15:36] <apachelogger> Riddell: are you sure it's not just picking up the qt4 headers?
[15:37] <Riddell> well I suppose something is during compile
[16:09] <manchicken> Riddell: Busy ^_^
[16:24] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[16:24] <Riddell> hi _Groo_ 
[16:25] <_Groo_> the utopic images from yesterday, do they have plasma 5.1 already?
[16:25] <_Groo_> hi Riddell 
[16:25] <_Groo_> since they are daily builds
[16:25] <_Groo_> cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-plasma5/daily-live/current/ (14/oct)
[16:27] <_Groo_> Riddell: yes, no?
[16:27] <_Groo_> :d
[16:29] <Riddell> _Groo_: yep
[16:29] <Riddell> would be good if you could test it and let me know what works
[16:34] <_Groo_> thats what im planning
[16:34] <_Groo_> im gonna try to upgrade to 14.10 this weekend
[16:34] <_Groo_> the intel driver is holding me back
[17:18] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[17:19] <sgclark> hiiyas
[17:20] <lordievader> o/
[17:37] <Riddell> https://blogs.kde.org/2014/10/15/ubuntus-linux-scheduler-or-why-baloo-might-be-slowing-your-system-1404 comment from mdeslaur "It's not a Unity issue. Deadline scheduler is better for server loads, and also greatly improves responsiveness when desktop users copy large files, or use VM software."
[17:37] <Riddell> "Turning it back to CFQ will improve Baloo, at the expense of Kubuntu users who copy large files or use virtual machines on their desktop."
[17:38] <sgclark> hmm
[18:43] <snele> just tested latest plasma 5 daily. works well. only kwin is little buggy and laggy
[18:43] <soee> laggy ? sneleare you uaing the new window decoration ?
[18:44] <snele> you may want to change default gtk2 theme from orion to qtcurve because firefox look wierd with orion
[18:44] <snele> soee: I used default oxygen
[18:44] <soee> oh, for me Plasma5.1 works smooth
[18:50] <mcfletch> This page: https://community.kde.org/Plasma/Packages#Kubuntu is still declaring that the neon5 PPA is the proper way to get a Plasma 5.1 test environment on Kubuntu 14.04
[18:55] <apachelogger> mcfletch: it is
[18:56] <apachelogger> Riddell, shadeslayer: btw, for regression testing I suggest dropping a note on kubuntu forums, there seem to be a lot of people willing to test things over there
[18:57] <Riddell> snele: yeah gtk themes are on my todo list
[18:58] <Riddell> apachelogger: yes, although alas it's hard to get people to test as thoroughly as needed often
[19:03] <mcfletch> apachelogger: really? last I heard (from shadeslayer, I believe) Neon5 was unmaintained?
[19:03] <shadeslayer> well, that's the info / impression I had
[19:04] <shadeslayer> since we were doing CP
[19:07] <mcfletch> shadeslayer: didn't mean to say "Ooh, that horrible shadeslayer" :D , rather "this guy who knows everything told me something, so please confirm I haven't had some sort of psychotic neon-deleting episode" :)
[19:08] <shadeslayer> ^_^
[19:09]  * shadeslayer needs to figure out dinner
[19:09] <shadeslayer> cya
[19:12] <tazz> I have some free time this week. You guys need help with anything?
[19:19] <Riddell> mcfletch: neon5 pretty much runs itself and is the way to get plasma5 snapshots if you have 14.04
[19:20] <Riddell> mcfletch: we're changing it over to a new system for 14.10 which you're welcome to try as well
[19:21] <Riddell> tazz: ooh great, we need testers for both plsama 4 and plasma 5 images and upgrades from 14.04 and upgrades from plasma 4 -> 5
[19:22] <mcfletch> Riddell: okay, this came up because of the kio conflict that broke upgrades, I suppose I'll go back and try to get the force-overwrite trick (which didn't work the first time I tried it, so I'm afraid I just removed the whole of Neon rather than trying to debug/fix an apparently abandoned mechanism for testing).
[19:24] <Riddell> mcfletch: oh I'm afraid that'll happen with neon packages, if upstream gives you overlapping files then neon will end up with overlapping files
[19:26] <mcfletch> Riddell: yup, that's what happened (kio and kio-extras both provide the trash file), there was another user asking on #project-neon about it as well.
[19:27] <Riddell> needs a force overwrite indeed
[19:28] <mcfletch> Riddell: Yes, I'll try again, the last time I made the attempt it just bombed out again, so I expect I mis-specified the overwrite option.
[19:28] <mcfletch> (the install is running now)
[19:29] <mcfletch> (and it didn't report the error any more)... I guess maybe the upstream file conflict was resolved...
[19:31] <mcfletch> Ooh, and KDE 4.x is upgraded too, it's like Christmas!
[19:38] <tazz> Riddell, coincidence! I just got finished testing centos 6 => 7 upgrade. :)
[19:59] <Riddell> tazz: http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ kubuntu-ppa/next Plasma 5 bugs
[19:59] <Riddell> follow that link for plasma5 bugs, if you find more do report them and let me know
[19:59] <Riddell> and Utopic milestoned bugs for plasma 4 bugs
[20:43] <tazz> got it.
[21:11] <tazz> testing a full default upgrade from 14.04 to 14.10 in a VM in virtualbox
[21:14] <Riddell> great
[21:17] <tazz> about https://trello.com/c/Lq75slYo/3-encourage-pre-release-testing I can document steps needed to setting up a VM. Just like how I did ^
[21:17] <kubotu> [14.10 :: To Do :: encourage pre-release testing ++ ]
[21:19] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://unlicense.org/
[21:57] <keithzg> shadeslayer: IANAL, but AFAIK (acroynms everywhere!) the definition of "public domain" differs *dramatically* between jurisdictions. That's why CC retired their PD license and replaced it with CC0. So, I'm unsure if, by using that terminology, that license is actually accomplishing what it wants to.
[23:08] <apol> hi guys, how do I do in 14.10 to have qmake-qt5 when I run qmake?
[23:14] <apol> Riddell ^ shadeslayer?
[23:15] <apol> u_u