[00:22] <brousch> mrgoodcat : Where you at?
[00:25] <mrgoodcat> i'm the kid that said good job
[00:25] <mrgoodcat> by the livestream camera
[00:25] <mrgoodcat> pink collared shirt
[00:28] <brousch> cmaloney: Stinker. Blocking Facebook.
[00:30] <mrgoodcat> brousch: ssh -D 8080 user@host
[00:30] <mrgoodcat> SOCKS proxy
[00:30] <mrgoodcat> be happy
[00:30] <mrgoodcat> :)
[00:31] <brousch> I'm being oppressed!
[03:30] <cmaloney> brousch: THat's me, the Facebook blocker. :)
[03:31] <mrgoodcat> cmaloney: but really, why is facebook blocked at mug meetings?
[03:34] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: It's because I keep forgetting to remove an old rule that I had on my old router
[03:36] <mrgoodcat> lol
[03:44] <tony-smlr> cmaloney: I figured out the civicrm plugin.
[03:45] <cmaloney> tony-smlr: Awesome. :)
[03:45] <tony-smlr> I updated the meeting with the youtube link and the github for the presentation
[03:45] <cmaloney> tony-smlr: Thank you.
[03:45] <tony-smlr> Your welcome
[12:16] <brousch> My phone screwed me last night. Took me up M-5 to 75 to 69 instead of right to I-96
[12:16] <brousch> Added 20mins to my drive
[12:45] <cmaloney> brousch: Ugh
[12:45] <cmaloney> Glad you got home safely though
[12:46] <brousch> Yeah, roads were empty
[12:46] <cmaloney> We're really thrilled you were able to make it out to MUG last night
[12:46] <brousch> I had fun
[12:46] <cmaloney> Thank you for making the trek and for doing an weseome presentation
[12:47] <brousch> Let me know if you have or hear any criticism. I'll probably give this talk 2-3 more times
[12:49] <cmaloney> So far I haven't heard anything
[12:49] <cmaloney> but positive
[12:56] <brousch> I know I need to sort the video stuff out better
[12:56] <brousch> Maybe upgrade to a B+ so everything runs faster
[12:57] <cmaloney> Yeah, I'm not sure if the B+ has the faster CPu or not
[12:58] <brousch> Hm, guess not
[12:58] <brousch> http://www.raspberrypi.org/products/model-b-plus/
[12:58] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/qPvNaA - Model B+ | Raspberry Pi
[12:58] <cmaloney> http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/22394/whats-the-difference-between-the-model-b-and-b
[12:58] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/4PAx6i - hardware - What's the difference between the Model B and B+? - Raspberry Pi Stack Exchange
[13:00] <brousch> Sounds like the power might be more consistent
[13:05] <mrgoodcat> i don't it see mentioned on that page but the audio now has a dedicated low-noise PSU so you don't have to worry about getting electrical noise in the audio like you did before. Makes it much better for HTPC setups
[13:24] <cmaloney> I think it's briefly mentioned in the PSU upgrade.
[13:24] <brousch> From my drive to tha D yesterday https://www.dropbox.com/s/l220mwbfrtna2px/2014-10-14%2017.18.30.jpg?dl=0
[13:24] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/ExCfoQ - Dropbox - 2014-10-14 17.18.30.jpg
[13:25] <mrgoodcat> hard to see in the picture but it looks pretty full
[13:25] <brousch> Yeah, I couldn't get a good pic due to driving
[13:25] <brousch> Double rainbow several times
[13:25] <cmaloney> Nice!
[13:26] <cmaloney> See, they were showing you the way to bliss. ;)
[13:27] <brousch> They stopped before Lansing
[13:31] <mrgoodcat> the pinboard guy got all angry https://blog.pinboard.in/2014/10/holy_war_on_sites_that_demand_pinboard_passwords/
[13:31] <mrgoodcat> wtf bookiebot where are you
[13:32] <mrgoodcat> lxml crashed on that site for some reason...
[14:00] <jrwren_> brousch: nice thing about i69 is you can go 80-90mph and won't see a cop.  on i96, trucks make that impossible.
[14:09] <brousch> But if I go 80 I drop to 42MPG
[14:09] <brousch> Barbaric
[14:09] <mrgoodcat> if i go 80 i drop to 12MPG
[14:10] <mrgoodcat> from like 16 at 70
[14:10] <akelling> Somebody has a big old truck
[14:13] <mrgoodcat> 2004 suburban
[14:18] <rick_h_> ccccccbgjgvcbevdjdjvnlbjchkkutkbcdiilbrtfkuc
[14:19] <mrgoodcat> this is not your yubikey field
[14:19] <mrgoodcat> rick_h_
[14:19] <mrgoodcat> crap. ignore that dumb tab complete
[14:20] <akelling> lol
[14:21] <akelling> Those Suburban's are great. Best body style they ever had IMO.
[14:21] <mrgoodcat> akelling: yea the new one looks like a hearse
[14:21] <mrgoodcat> i love mine
[14:22] <akelling> Want to haul a trailer those things will do it with ease.
[14:22] <mrgoodcat> not as well as our f150 but yea it gets the job done for sure
[14:22] <akelling> Most likly get the same MPG too lol
[14:22] <mrgoodcat> mine has airbags too for ride leveling
[14:22] <akelling> Take it you have the newer F150?
[14:22] <mrgoodcat> yea 2012 lariat
[14:23] <akelling> Nice!
[14:23] <mrgoodcat> best vehicle we've ever owned
[14:23] <mrgoodcat> hands down
[14:23] <akelling> Everyone that I know that owns a newer F150 says that too. They ride so nice.
[14:23] <mrgoodcat> it also rounds out the major pickup manufacturers. now we've owned a RAM, a Silverado, and an F150
[14:24] <mrgoodcat> nicest interior, nicest ride, best towing, best fuel economy
[14:24] <brousch> YOU'RE KILLING THE PLANET!
[14:24] <mrgoodcat> i really can't think of a single category that any truck beats it in
[14:24] <akelling> Next one going to be a Toyota Tundra?
[14:24] <mrgoodcat> if you need more towing than is available in the F150 you should really be going up to the super duty size anyways
[14:25] <mrgoodcat> lol foreign car, who do you think i am?
[14:25] <akelling> I heard they are killing off the F250.
[14:25] <mrgoodcat> i'm pissed enough at chrysler for being an italian company
[14:25] <mrgoodcat> akelling: not killing off, just renaming to Super Duty
[14:25] <cmaloney> Soooper Dooooodie
[14:25] <mrgoodcat> killing off the 250 moniker though
[14:26] <cmaloney> Which means they'll decontent it
[14:26] <mrgoodcat> what do you mean by that?
[14:26] <cmaloney> Means they'll put something out to replace it but it won't be the same vehicle
[14:26] <cmaloney> less towing, less chutzpah
[14:27] <mrgoodcat> nah. i doubt it. it's exactly the same truch just with a different name, and they aren't marketing it to consumers
[14:27] <mrgoodcat> its supposed to be a work truck
[14:28] <mrgoodcat> no reason to undercut the F150 and the Super Duty with an inbetweener
[14:28] <akelling> F350 = Super Duty?
[14:29] <mrgoodcat> no F250 = Super Duty
[14:29] <mrgoodcat> well, anything > 150 is in the super duty line
[14:29] <akelling> oic
[14:29] <cmaloney> So the F350 will be the Ultra-Duty?
[14:29] <akelling> Most people dont need more then the F150.
[14:30] <mrgoodcat> there are almost no people that need more than the F150. lots of companies though
[14:30] <akelling> Farmers is what came to my mind
[14:30] <mrgoodcat> if you count independent workers like farmers as businesses, there is pretty much nobody outside of businesses that need the super duty sizes
[14:31] <akelling> Exactly
[14:31] <akelling> Wish they had a light duty truck still. I loved the Rangers
[14:32] <mrgoodcat> really? i always thought they filled a somewhat useless niche
[14:32] <mrgoodcat> people_who_want_to_own_trucks_but_don't_need_them
[14:32] <mrgoodcat> ranger can do almost nothing an SUV can't do
[14:33] <akelling> I always liked the open bed. Lot of things I dont want in the car with me.
[14:34] <mrgoodcat> i guess... it still seems like too small a market segment to worry about
[14:34] <mrgoodcat> combined with the fact that the rangers had terrible build quality
[14:34] <akelling> They seemed to sell well look how many of them are still rolling around.
[14:35] <rick_h_> mrgoodcat: :P
[14:35] <rick_h_> mrgoodcat: I'm so tired and worn out all I can speak is yubikey
[14:35] <mrgoodcat> only 19k rangers in 2012
[14:36] <mrgoodcat> http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2011/01/ford-ranger-sales-figures.html
[14:36] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/dDTNUw - Ford Ranger Sales Figures - GOOD CAR BAD CAR
[14:36] <akelling> really wow
[14:36] <mrgoodcat> scroll to the 3rd table
[14:36] <mrgoodcat> shows a clear down trend
[14:36] <mrgoodcat> down 90% in 10 years
[14:36] <rick_h_> mrgoodcat: when I get my airstream and my F250 super duty I'll disagree :P
[14:37] <mrgoodcat> rick_h_: how much does that airstream weigh?
[14:37] <mrgoodcat> also, get the diesel. we owned one and it was glorious
[14:37] <rick_h_> the one I want? loaded with stuff for a week+ journey around 12k
[14:37] <rick_h_> yea, I'm all deisel from now on
[14:37] <rick_h_> I'll never go back
[14:37] <mrgoodcat> aww yea
[14:37] <rick_h_> my TDI rules
[14:37] <mrgoodcat> wish i could get a diesel fusion
[14:37] <rick_h_> I was a deisel q3 here that seemed cool
[14:38] <rick_h_> small little cross over thing in tdi
[14:38] <akelling> Ah thats why. Priced them selfs out. For just a little more you get an F150
[14:38] <mrgoodcat> yea, and the f150 became so much easier to drive and nicer interiors
[14:39] <akelling> Very true.
[14:40] <mrgoodcat> F series sold 60K in september of this year alone
[14:40] <akelling> So many memorys beating the crap of Rangers though. The V6 models where unkillable
[14:40] <jrwren_> brousch: ah, so you go 55 to hypermile?
[14:41] <mrgoodcat> he probably tailgates semis for the drafting too
[14:41] <mrgoodcat> while eating kale and avocados
[14:41] <mrgoodcat> :P
[14:41] <jrwren_> I don't understand small truck low sales. They are the most useful pickups around. I want a S10 with a 2.2L 4cyl long bed. Perfect for garden work.
[14:41] <jrwren_> mmm... kale and avocados
[14:43] <jrwren_> nah, if he was that hardcore hippie, he'd go to the farmers market in a gazelle cabby. http://www.gazellebikes.com/collection-bikes/cabby?type=ladies
[14:43] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/Is5X67 - Cabby
[14:46] <brousch> jrwren_: I aim for 50MPG. I can get that at 70MPH if the wind and rain aren't too bad
[14:47] <akelling> That is my usecase for a light duty truck. Small Gardening work. Big enough bed to put a 4wheeler in it or a deer.
[14:47] <brousch> Actually I have taken a liking to baked kale chips
[14:47] <jrwren_> brousch: those are GOOD
[14:47] <jrwren_> akelling: so what is there? just tacoma and frontier?  the GM offerings are too big & shit. Ranger is dead?
[14:48] <rick_h_> jrwren_: the colorado?
[14:48] <rick_h_> jrwren_: that's the small end truck on the GM end right?
[14:48] <jrwren_> rick_h_: yeah, that is GM.
[14:48] <jrwren_> oh... Ranger might be coming back. http://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/ford-considering-ranger-sized-compact-pickup/
[14:48] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/9k1RVf - Ford considering Ranger-sized compact pickup | Digital Trends
[14:48] <jrwren_> rick_h_: Colorado is not a small pickup. its midsize. :(  I miss the S10
[14:48] <rick_h_> gotcha
[14:49] <rick_h_> what about that subaru elcamino thing :P
[14:49] <rick_h_> I think they stopped making it though
[14:49] <jrwren_> rick_h_: those are sweet!  or an old Brat.
[14:49] <brousch> Small pickup http://www.tfltruck.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/subaru.baja-profile.jpg
[14:49] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/7eKPKn - image/jpeg
[14:49] <jrwren_> craigslist->subara brat
[14:49] <jrwren_> no results
[14:50] <akelling> Colorado is huge compaired to the S10
[14:50] <brousch> subaru baja
[14:50] <akelling> UGH those 1/4 bed trucks
[14:50] <brousch> marketed to surfers, I assume
[14:51] <akelling> marketed to women mostly.
[14:52] <jrwren_> akelling: exactly. S10 was a small pickup. Colorado is midsized.
[14:52] <akelling> Ford had an Escape version that was nice but eveyone that owned one that I knew was a women. Put the grocerys in the bed and don.
[14:52] <jrwren_> An Escape with an open bed?
[14:53] <akelling> Ford Escape sport trac
[14:54] <mrgoodcat> ugh the sport trac
[14:55] <jrwren_> i worry about buying any american low volume vehicle.
[14:56] <akelling> I worry about buying any American vehicle....
[14:56] <jrwren_> They make 100 of them a year. The line never really figures out the product and optimizes, and so you get lots of bugs.
[14:56] <akelling> This Ford I have right now is really nice though for what it is.
[14:56] <jrwren_> I don't worry about the good american vehicles. My 13yr old chevy is rocking.
[14:57] <akelling> Yeah I dont think I would buy a GM anytime soon.
[14:57] <mrgoodcat> i don't worry about newer fords, although they had some bad years semi-recently
[14:57] <mrgoodcat> the new GMs are pretty meh
[14:57] <akelling> Dodge I am coming around to.
[14:57] <mrgoodcat> chrysler is italian
[14:58] <akelling> So many Transmission issues in there 90's era cars and trucks.
[15:00] <jrwren_> depends on the GM model.
[15:00] <jrwren_> and, in general, GM is expensive for what you get.
[15:00] <mrgoodcat> my 2004 suburban (Chevy/GM) had a crap transmission in it out of the factory. I've talked to a proving grounds worker who said they're pretty much all crap if you don't get the Z71 trans
[15:00] <jrwren_> akelling: s/there/their/
[15:01] <mrgoodcat> oh snap. he sed you
[15:01] <mrgoodcat> that was better inside my head
[15:06] <akelling> I was speaking more on the Dodge side for Tranny issues.
[15:07] <mrgoodcat> have only had a couple dodges. The 2000 Ram 2500 had a shit transmission (and shit everything else really) but the 2012 Durango hasn't caused any issues and the 2006 Durango didn't cause us issues either
[15:08] <akelling> Sounds about right.
[15:09] <akelling> About the only thing Dodge that has had me interested has to have SRT in the name in the past.
[15:09] <mrgoodcat> (neon srt)++
[15:10] <mrgoodcat> they made a couple badass srt versions of various cars
[15:10] <akelling> shit box that flew
[15:10] <akelling> Past few years of SRT's are great.
[15:12] <jrwren_> GLH > SRT
[15:13] <akelling> I was a JP car guy for a long time but they are not what they used to be. American cars have really stepped up there game the past few years. Why I ended up in Ford.
[15:13] <akelling> LMAO
[15:13] <akelling> GLHS != Dodge.
[15:13] <mrgoodcat> Shelby right?
[15:13] <akelling> Its a shelby
[15:14] <akelling> Cool car back in the 80's
[15:16] <mrgoodcat> there were no cool cars in the 80's
[15:16] <akelling> DMC's?
[15:16] <akelling> I loved my Celica Supra. Car was older then me.
[15:17] <akelling> CRX's
[15:18] <akelling> Thats about it on my list of cool cars from the 80's
[15:40] <mrgoodcat> anybody use thunderbird for email? http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-2373-1/
[15:40] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/bJB79v - USN-2373-1: Thunderbird vulnerabilities | Ubuntu
[15:49] <cmaloney> I use it
[15:50] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.starrealms.starrealmsapp
[15:50] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/Nb08Nw - Star Realms - Android Apps on Google Play
[15:50] <cmaloney> $5 for online play
[15:50] <cmaloney> which I've gotten more than my $5 worth IMHO
[16:11] <cmaloney> https://www.google.com/nexus/6/
[16:11] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/7ZxFFb - Nexus 6 â Google
[16:56] <mrgoodcat> (thai food)++
[18:13] <mrgoodcat> brousch: i cant believe you are going to win this battle
[18:13] <brousch> mrgoodcat: You're making me think way too hard in this game.
[18:17] <mrgoodcat> i've felt less out of my depth this game. but i'll probably still lose lol
[18:18] <mrgoodcat> i should have killed that group when i had the chance
[18:19] <brousch> You never know. Killing a group costs moves, which I could use to pester other parts of the board
[18:24] <mrgoodcat> i think this might have been a defining battle in this game
[18:35] <brousch> Definitely, though I'm sure all is lost for you
[18:35] <brousch> I'm not sure
[18:38] <mrgoodcat> not all maybe, certainly a lot
[18:44] <brousch> mrgoodcat: Make sure you take good look at the middle left of the board
[18:45] <brousch> It looks secure at a glance, but you technically have 0 eyes there
[18:58] <mrgoodcat> yea i know. i was just trying to figure out how to save that part
[19:01] <brousch> It's like 2 moves from being a big 1 eye with a lot of room to add on the second
[19:03] <brousch> That was the essential move. Well done
[19:04] <brousch> Now I could take it in 6 moves if you don't establish the 2nd eye
[19:05] <brousch> But before the last it was vulnerable in 2 moves
[19:08] <mrgoodcat> I was so sure of myself in that battle early on
[19:09] <mrgoodcat> made overconfidence mistakes
[19:16] <brousch> Happens to me all the time. You almost got that left corner because I didn't reinforce it
[19:17] <akelling> What are you guys playing?
[19:17] <mrgoodcat> Go
[19:17] <mrgoodcat> http://www.dragongoserver.net/game.php?gid=935149
[19:17] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/lmuceB - DGS - Game #935149,85
[19:18] <akelling> Ah
[19:18] <akelling> Always wanted to learn how to play that.
[19:19] <mrgoodcat> then learn
[19:19] <mrgoodcat> make an account on DGS
[19:19] <mrgoodcat> i just started last week
[19:19] <mrgoodcat> i'll play with you
[19:19] <mrgoodcat> i'm sure brousch and cmaloney will too
[19:44] <brousch> mrgoodcat: Your thoughts on g8?
[19:45] <mrgoodcat> i need g8 and g10 to protect f10-13
[19:45] <mrgoodcat> I also need a second eye
[19:45] <brousch> Can g8 become an eye?
[19:46] <mrgoodcat> you own 3 of the corners so no
[19:46] <mrgoodcat> i would need h7 and h9
[19:47] <mrgoodcat> f9 is out of the question
[19:47] <mrgoodcat> unless i'm missing something
[19:48] <brousch> That is correct. Obviously h9 is vulnerable. What about h7?
[19:48] <mrgoodcat> it's actually not invulnerable yet
[19:48] <mrgoodcat> but it would be devlishly hard to get
[19:48] <brousch> Correct. So what is the right thing to do with g8?
[19:49] <mrgoodcat> i've already claimed g10, i'm going to fill g8 obviously
[19:49] <mrgoodcat> which has the side-effect of connecting my structures and making them harder to capture
[19:49] <mrgoodcat> giving me more opportunity to make a second eye
[19:49] <brousch> good
[19:50] <mrgoodcat> i'm still mad i pissed that corner away
[19:50] <mrgoodcat> it was mine and i let it go
[19:50] <brousch> You see a lot more than I think sometimes ;)
[19:50] <mrgoodcat> brousch: i'm a quick learner especially for abstract things
[19:51] <mrgoodcat> I think if I would have killed your group in the bottom left I would have stood a good chance at winning this one
[19:52] <mrgoodcat> I played like 10 games on my phone with the computer last night and won all but 2 games. a couple by a significant margin :)
[19:52] <brousch> Yes
[19:53] <brousch> Although winning the corner has made me arrogant so I could slip up due to that
[19:53] <mrgoodcat> there's so much more to this than chess
[19:54] <mrgoodcat> I'm used to wrecking people in chess. its nice to play a game i'm bad at again. i like the learning process
[19:54] <brousch> I am horrible at chess
[19:55] <mrgoodcat> I used to think i was bad a chess
[19:55] <mrgoodcat> because i oonly ever played with my dad
[19:57] <mrgoodcat> i mean don't get me wrong, i'm not good either. just better than my friends at WMU
[19:58] <brousch> OK, time for the boy's fencing class. CYA
[19:58] <mrgoodcat> have a great time
[19:58] <mrgoodcat> fencing is badass btw
[19:58] <mrgoodcat> your kid is awesome
[20:16] <mrgoodcat> cmaloney: any idea who's going to be at CHC tonight?
[20:55] <cmaloney> I'm planning on being there
[20:55] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: ^