[00:22] mrgoodcat : Where you at? [00:25] i'm the kid that said good job [00:25] by the livestream camera [00:25] pink collared shirt [00:28] cmaloney: Stinker. Blocking Facebook. [00:30] brousch: ssh -D 8080 user@host [00:30] SOCKS proxy [00:30] be happy [00:30] :) [00:31] I'm being oppressed! [03:30] brousch: THat's me, the Facebook blocker. :) [03:31] cmaloney: but really, why is facebook blocked at mug meetings? [03:34] mrgoodcat: It's because I keep forgetting to remove an old rule that I had on my old router [03:36] lol [03:44] cmaloney: I figured out the civicrm plugin. [03:45] tony-smlr: Awesome. :) [03:45] I updated the meeting with the youtube link and the github for the presentation [03:45] tony-smlr: Thank you. [03:45] Your welcome [12:16] My phone screwed me last night. Took me up M-5 to 75 to 69 instead of right to I-96 [12:16] Added 20mins to my drive [12:45] brousch: Ugh [12:45] Glad you got home safely though [12:46] Yeah, roads were empty [12:46] We're really thrilled you were able to make it out to MUG last night [12:46] I had fun [12:46] Thank you for making the trek and for doing an weseome presentation [12:47] Let me know if you have or hear any criticism. I'll probably give this talk 2-3 more times [12:49] So far I haven't heard anything [12:49] but positive [12:56] I know I need to sort the video stuff out better [12:56] Maybe upgrade to a B+ so everything runs faster [12:57] Yeah, I'm not sure if the B+ has the faster CPu or not [12:58] Hm, guess not [12:58] http://www.raspberrypi.org/products/model-b-plus/ [12:58] http://goo.gl/qPvNaA - Model B+ | Raspberry Pi [12:58] http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/22394/whats-the-difference-between-the-model-b-and-b [12:58] http://goo.gl/4PAx6i - hardware - What's the difference between the Model B and B+? - Raspberry Pi Stack Exchange [13:00] Sounds like the power might be more consistent [13:05] i don't it see mentioned on that page but the audio now has a dedicated low-noise PSU so you don't have to worry about getting electrical noise in the audio like you did before. Makes it much better for HTPC setups [13:24] I think it's briefly mentioned in the PSU upgrade. [13:24] From my drive to tha D yesterday https://www.dropbox.com/s/l220mwbfrtna2px/2014-10-14%2017.18.30.jpg?dl=0 [13:24] http://goo.gl/ExCfoQ - Dropbox - 2014-10-14 17.18.30.jpg [13:25] hard to see in the picture but it looks pretty full [13:25] Yeah, I couldn't get a good pic due to driving [13:25] Double rainbow several times [13:25] Nice! [13:26] See, they were showing you the way to bliss. ;) [13:27] They stopped before Lansing [13:31] the pinboard guy got all angry https://blog.pinboard.in/2014/10/holy_war_on_sites_that_demand_pinboard_passwords/ [13:31] wtf bookiebot where are you [13:32] lxml crashed on that site for some reason... [14:00] brousch: nice thing about i69 is you can go 80-90mph and won't see a cop. on i96, trucks make that impossible. [14:09] But if I go 80 I drop to 42MPG [14:09] Barbaric [14:09] if i go 80 i drop to 12MPG [14:10] from like 16 at 70 [14:10] Somebody has a big old truck [14:13] 2004 suburban [14:18] ccccccbgjgvcbevdjdjvnlbjchkkutkbcdiilbrtfkuc [14:19] this is not your yubikey field [14:19] rick_h_ [14:19] crap. ignore that dumb tab complete [14:20] lol [14:21] Those Suburban's are great. Best body style they ever had IMO. [14:21] akelling: yea the new one looks like a hearse [14:21] i love mine [14:22] Want to haul a trailer those things will do it with ease. [14:22] not as well as our f150 but yea it gets the job done for sure [14:22] Most likly get the same MPG too lol [14:22] mine has airbags too for ride leveling [14:22] Take it you have the newer F150? [14:22] yea 2012 lariat [14:23] Nice! [14:23] best vehicle we've ever owned [14:23] hands down [14:23] Everyone that I know that owns a newer F150 says that too. They ride so nice. [14:23] it also rounds out the major pickup manufacturers. now we've owned a RAM, a Silverado, and an F150 [14:24] nicest interior, nicest ride, best towing, best fuel economy [14:24] YOU'RE KILLING THE PLANET! [14:24] i really can't think of a single category that any truck beats it in [14:24] Next one going to be a Toyota Tundra? [14:24] if you need more towing than is available in the F150 you should really be going up to the super duty size anyways [14:25] lol foreign car, who do you think i am? [14:25] I heard they are killing off the F250. [14:25] i'm pissed enough at chrysler for being an italian company [14:25] akelling: not killing off, just renaming to Super Duty [14:25] Soooper Dooooodie [14:25] killing off the 250 moniker though [14:26] Which means they'll decontent it [14:26] what do you mean by that? [14:26] Means they'll put something out to replace it but it won't be the same vehicle [14:26] less towing, less chutzpah [14:27] nah. i doubt it. it's exactly the same truch just with a different name, and they aren't marketing it to consumers [14:27] its supposed to be a work truck [14:28] no reason to undercut the F150 and the Super Duty with an inbetweener [14:28] F350 = Super Duty? [14:29] no F250 = Super Duty [14:29] well, anything > 150 is in the super duty line [14:29] oic [14:29] So the F350 will be the Ultra-Duty? [14:29] Most people dont need more then the F150. [14:30] there are almost no people that need more than the F150. lots of companies though [14:30] Farmers is what came to my mind [14:30] if you count independent workers like farmers as businesses, there is pretty much nobody outside of businesses that need the super duty sizes [14:31] Exactly [14:31] Wish they had a light duty truck still. I loved the Rangers [14:32] really? i always thought they filled a somewhat useless niche [14:32] people_who_want_to_own_trucks_but_don't_need_them [14:32] ranger can do almost nothing an SUV can't do [14:33] I always liked the open bed. Lot of things I dont want in the car with me. [14:34] i guess... it still seems like too small a market segment to worry about [14:34] combined with the fact that the rangers had terrible build quality [14:34] They seemed to sell well look how many of them are still rolling around. [14:35] mrgoodcat: :P [14:35] mrgoodcat: I'm so tired and worn out all I can speak is yubikey [14:35] only 19k rangers in 2012 [14:36] http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2011/01/ford-ranger-sales-figures.html [14:36] http://goo.gl/dDTNUw - Ford Ranger Sales Figures - GOOD CAR BAD CAR [14:36] really wow [14:36] scroll to the 3rd table [14:36] shows a clear down trend [14:36] down 90% in 10 years [14:36] mrgoodcat: when I get my airstream and my F250 super duty I'll disagree :P [14:37] rick_h_: how much does that airstream weigh? [14:37] also, get the diesel. we owned one and it was glorious [14:37] the one I want? loaded with stuff for a week+ journey around 12k [14:37] yea, I'm all deisel from now on [14:37] I'll never go back [14:37] aww yea [14:37] my TDI rules [14:37] wish i could get a diesel fusion [14:37] I was a deisel q3 here that seemed cool [14:38] small little cross over thing in tdi [14:38] Ah thats why. Priced them selfs out. For just a little more you get an F150 [14:38] yea, and the f150 became so much easier to drive and nicer interiors [14:39] Very true. [14:40] F series sold 60K in september of this year alone [14:40] So many memorys beating the crap of Rangers though. The V6 models where unkillable [14:40] brousch: ah, so you go 55 to hypermile? [14:41] he probably tailgates semis for the drafting too [14:41] while eating kale and avocados [14:41] :P [14:41] I don't understand small truck low sales. They are the most useful pickups around. I want a S10 with a 2.2L 4cyl long bed. Perfect for garden work. [14:41] mmm... kale and avocados [14:43] nah, if he was that hardcore hippie, he'd go to the farmers market in a gazelle cabby. http://www.gazellebikes.com/collection-bikes/cabby?type=ladies [14:43] http://goo.gl/Is5X67 - Cabby [14:46] jrwren_: I aim for 50MPG. I can get that at 70MPH if the wind and rain aren't too bad [14:47] That is my usecase for a light duty truck. Small Gardening work. Big enough bed to put a 4wheeler in it or a deer. [14:47] Actually I have taken a liking to baked kale chips [14:47] brousch: those are GOOD [14:47] akelling: so what is there? just tacoma and frontier? the GM offerings are too big & shit. Ranger is dead? [14:48] jrwren_: the colorado? [14:48] jrwren_: that's the small end truck on the GM end right? [14:48] rick_h_: yeah, that is GM. [14:48] oh... Ranger might be coming back. http://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/ford-considering-ranger-sized-compact-pickup/ [14:48] http://goo.gl/9k1RVf - Ford considering Ranger-sized compact pickup | Digital Trends [14:48] rick_h_: Colorado is not a small pickup. its midsize. :( I miss the S10 [14:48] gotcha [14:49] what about that subaru elcamino thing :P [14:49] I think they stopped making it though [14:49] rick_h_: those are sweet! or an old Brat. [14:49] Small pickup http://www.tfltruck.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/subaru.baja-profile.jpg [14:49] http://goo.gl/7eKPKn - image/jpeg [14:49] craigslist->subara brat [14:49] no results [14:50] Colorado is huge compaired to the S10 [14:50] subaru baja [14:50] UGH those 1/4 bed trucks [14:50] marketed to surfers, I assume [14:51] marketed to women mostly. [14:52] akelling: exactly. S10 was a small pickup. Colorado is midsized. [14:52] Ford had an Escape version that was nice but eveyone that owned one that I knew was a women. Put the grocerys in the bed and don. [14:52] An Escape with an open bed? [14:53] Ford Escape sport trac [14:54] ugh the sport trac [14:55] i worry about buying any american low volume vehicle. [14:56] I worry about buying any American vehicle.... [14:56] They make 100 of them a year. The line never really figures out the product and optimizes, and so you get lots of bugs. [14:56] This Ford I have right now is really nice though for what it is. [14:56] I don't worry about the good american vehicles. My 13yr old chevy is rocking. [14:57] Yeah I dont think I would buy a GM anytime soon. [14:57] i don't worry about newer fords, although they had some bad years semi-recently [14:57] the new GMs are pretty meh [14:57] Dodge I am coming around to. [14:57] chrysler is italian [14:58] So many Transmission issues in there 90's era cars and trucks. [15:00] depends on the GM model. [15:00] and, in general, GM is expensive for what you get. [15:00] my 2004 suburban (Chevy/GM) had a crap transmission in it out of the factory. I've talked to a proving grounds worker who said they're pretty much all crap if you don't get the Z71 trans [15:00] akelling: s/there/their/ [15:01] oh snap. he sed you [15:01] that was better inside my head [15:06] I was speaking more on the Dodge side for Tranny issues. [15:07] have only had a couple dodges. The 2000 Ram 2500 had a shit transmission (and shit everything else really) but the 2012 Durango hasn't caused any issues and the 2006 Durango didn't cause us issues either [15:08] Sounds about right. [15:09] About the only thing Dodge that has had me interested has to have SRT in the name in the past. [15:09] (neon srt)++ [15:10] they made a couple badass srt versions of various cars [15:10] shit box that flew [15:10] Past few years of SRT's are great. [15:12] GLH > SRT [15:13] I was a JP car guy for a long time but they are not what they used to be. American cars have really stepped up there game the past few years. Why I ended up in Ford. [15:13] LMAO [15:13] GLHS != Dodge. [15:13] Shelby right? [15:13] Its a shelby [15:14] Cool car back in the 80's [15:16] there were no cool cars in the 80's [15:16] DMC's? [15:16] I loved my Celica Supra. Car was older then me. [15:17] CRX's [15:18] Thats about it on my list of cool cars from the 80's [15:40] anybody use thunderbird for email? http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-2373-1/ [15:40] http://goo.gl/bJB79v - USN-2373-1: Thunderbird vulnerabilities | Ubuntu [15:49] I use it [15:50] mrgoodcat: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.starrealms.starrealmsapp [15:50] http://goo.gl/Nb08Nw - Star Realms - Android Apps on Google Play [15:50] $5 for online play [15:50] which I've gotten more than my $5 worth IMHO [16:11] https://www.google.com/nexus/6/ [16:11] http://goo.gl/7ZxFFb - Nexus 6 â Google [16:56] (thai food)++ [18:13] brousch: i cant believe you are going to win this battle [18:13] mrgoodcat: You're making me think way too hard in this game. [18:17] i've felt less out of my depth this game. but i'll probably still lose lol [18:18] i should have killed that group when i had the chance [18:19] You never know. Killing a group costs moves, which I could use to pester other parts of the board [18:24] i think this might have been a defining battle in this game [18:35] Definitely, though I'm sure all is lost for you [18:35] I'm not sure [18:38] not all maybe, certainly a lot [18:44] mrgoodcat: Make sure you take good look at the middle left of the board [18:45] It looks secure at a glance, but you technically have 0 eyes there [18:58] yea i know. i was just trying to figure out how to save that part [19:01] It's like 2 moves from being a big 1 eye with a lot of room to add on the second [19:03] That was the essential move. Well done [19:04] Now I could take it in 6 moves if you don't establish the 2nd eye [19:05] But before the last it was vulnerable in 2 moves [19:08] I was so sure of myself in that battle early on [19:09] made overconfidence mistakes [19:16] Happens to me all the time. You almost got that left corner because I didn't reinforce it [19:17] What are you guys playing? [19:17] Go [19:17] http://www.dragongoserver.net/game.php?gid=935149 [19:17] http://goo.gl/lmuceB - DGS - Game #935149,85 [19:18] Ah [19:18] Always wanted to learn how to play that. [19:19] then learn [19:19] make an account on DGS [19:19] i just started last week [19:19] i'll play with you [19:19] i'm sure brousch and cmaloney will too [19:44] mrgoodcat: Your thoughts on g8? [19:45] i need g8 and g10 to protect f10-13 [19:45] I also need a second eye [19:45] Can g8 become an eye? [19:46] you own 3 of the corners so no [19:46] i would need h7 and h9 [19:47] f9 is out of the question [19:47] unless i'm missing something [19:48] That is correct. Obviously h9 is vulnerable. What about h7? [19:48] it's actually not invulnerable yet [19:48] but it would be devlishly hard to get [19:48] Correct. So what is the right thing to do with g8? [19:49] i've already claimed g10, i'm going to fill g8 obviously [19:49] which has the side-effect of connecting my structures and making them harder to capture [19:49] giving me more opportunity to make a second eye [19:49] good [19:50] i'm still mad i pissed that corner away [19:50] it was mine and i let it go [19:50] You see a lot more than I think sometimes ;) [19:50] brousch: i'm a quick learner especially for abstract things [19:51] I think if I would have killed your group in the bottom left I would have stood a good chance at winning this one [19:52] I played like 10 games on my phone with the computer last night and won all but 2 games. a couple by a significant margin :) [19:52] Yes [19:53] Although winning the corner has made me arrogant so I could slip up due to that [19:53] there's so much more to this than chess [19:54] I'm used to wrecking people in chess. its nice to play a game i'm bad at again. i like the learning process [19:54] I am horrible at chess [19:55] I used to think i was bad a chess [19:55] because i oonly ever played with my dad [19:57] i mean don't get me wrong, i'm not good either. just better than my friends at WMU [19:58] OK, time for the boy's fencing class. CYA [19:58] have a great time [19:58] fencing is badass btw [19:58] your kid is awesome [20:16] cmaloney: any idea who's going to be at CHC tonight? [20:55] I'm planning on being there [20:55] mrgoodcat: ^