[12:00] <dkessel> hey there quality
[12:10] <elfy> hi dkessel
[13:30] <balloons> good morning all
[13:31] <elfy> hi balloons
[13:32] <balloons> I beginning to wonder if it's just me that has issues with hard drives. My new drive containing /home failed yesterday
[13:32] <elfy> :|
[13:32] <balloons> I'm beginning to wonder if I need to replace cables again or something
[13:46] <pitti> balloons: if it's any consolation, I also got tons of scary "ata1:" error messages with following oopses/freezes/fs corruption yesterday :/
[13:46] <pitti> I wonder if that's actually a hw problem or a kernel bug
[13:49] <balloons> pitti, hmm, that's kind of coincidental
[13:49]  * balloons replaced the cables
[14:01]  * dkessel wonders "should i really use utopic on my real hardware at home at this point"?
[14:01] <dkessel> i should really do that backup i am postponing every week...
[14:04] <charles> alesage, elopio, now that I've seen the new indicator navigation in action, you do have a point about the visibility question:
[14:04] <charles> alesage, elopio, the definition of "visibility" has changed, so we're talking about two separate things here
[14:05] <charles> alesage, elopio, the idea is for the transfer, location, message, bluetooth indicators to not be shown in the top icon bar when they don't have anything in them
[14:05] <charles> alesage, elopio, but they should *always* be visible in the new indicator navigation regardless of their visibility in the top icon bar
[14:06] <charles> alesage, elopio, so the new navigation (which IMO is very cool!) has a bug there, it should ignore the indicators' visibility flags and use them unconditionally
[14:07] <charles> I'm not seeing an existing bug report on this yet
[14:48] <alesage> charles when this came up yesterday I think we were just wanting to make sure that the test plan reflects the design FWIW
[15:51] <elfy> balloons: do you know what's going on with the tracker - Final's keep disappearing
[16:00] <balloons> elfy, what's disappearing?
[16:02] <elfy> http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker
[16:03] <elfy> no Final
[16:30] <wxl> wonder if this will get fixed before final :( https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/1380774
[16:33] <balloons> elfy, no final will exist there unless posted
[16:33] <wxl> so rc is ready to go or not?
[16:33] <balloons> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ certainly has it. For packages, we haven't done intermeadiate milestones
[16:34] <elfy> balloons: ok - so please point to me where I can send people to report either the RC or the Final
[16:34] <balloons> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/325/builds
[16:34] <elfy> and now it's got builds on it
[16:34] <balloons> the milestone is called final. It's the last milestone.. it's been called RC in the past but hasn't been done so for a bit
[16:35] <elfy> I'm telling you that keeps disappearing
[16:35] <wxl> ok so it's official
[16:35] <balloons> elfy, lol.. I don't NOT believe you, but I've not seen any disappearance
[16:35] <elfy> and it WAS on the front page before you got up
[16:36] <elfy> I'm getting really fedup with the tracker :|
[16:39] <elfy> oh
[16:40] <elfy> balloons: I apologise - I kept grabbing the packages one - I'm an idiot
[16:40] <elfy> no wonder I thought it kept disappearing :(
[16:41] <balloons> elfy, no worries. It's easy to get confused
[16:42]  * elfy casts about for something to blame and settles on the new firefox tab page - packages is where images was lol
[16:55] <balloons> elfy, so https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/1378423 still exists for me
[16:55] <wxl> balloons: with ubuntu or xubuntu or what? no issues with me on lubuntu oddly
[16:55] <balloons> ubuntu
[16:56] <wxl> interesting that
[16:56] <wxl> we all use lightdm no?
[16:57] <elfy> balloons: confirmed
[17:04] <balloons> elopio, can you +1 this before I merge? https://code.launchpad.net/~nskaggs/reminders-app/fix-1381828/+merge/238519
[17:04] <wxl> maybe it's a GPU issue
[17:04] <balloons> elfy, does it affect xubuntu?
[17:04] <elfy> yes - I did say :)
[17:04] <elfy> I'll drag down the lubuntu image and see if I see it
[17:04] <wxl> i'm grabbing xubuntu now to confirm the problem
[17:05] <balloons> right.. so that rules out gpu issue for me; if it doesn't affect lubuntu
[17:05] <wxl> gmta ;)
[17:05] <wxl> well it CAN'T be a lightdm issue. that makes no sense.
[17:05] <elfy> it might be that it's host issue - I assume balloons like me is hosting on 14.10 not 13.04
[17:05] <wxl> if it IS an xorg issue it would seem it would have to be some sort of driver issue
[17:05] <wxl> i'm on 14.04 fwiw
[17:05] <balloons> indeed very much so. Could be a vbox thing too
[17:06] <elfy> balloons: previous issues with vbox didn't appear on other vm tools afaik
[17:06]  * balloons notices new update for vbox from source
[17:06] <wxl> yep
[17:06] <wxl> grabbing 4.4.18-96516 while i'm at it
[17:07] <wxl> 4.3!
[17:08] <balloons> what version do you run now wxl ?
[17:08] <wxl> i had 4.3.16-95972 balloons
[17:09]  * wxl is so happy to have more ram in his work computer so he can run multiple vms at a time and still do regular work ;)
[17:13] <elfy> balloons: with lubuntu I get menu at the start asking to choose try or install - not the try/install dialogue that xubuntu and ubuntu get later in the livesession boot
[17:13] <wxl> i assume this fails on live boot or do i need to install first?
[17:13] <wxl> elfy: that's normal
[17:13] <wxl> it's a feature :)
[17:14] <elfy> wxl: it's before you get to the desktop - you get just a black screen - vt1 and then vt7 and you should get the try/install dialogue
[17:14] <elfy> wxl: yea - perhaps that's why you don't get the same issue
[17:14] <wxl> ic
[17:14] <wxl> well let me confirm xubuntu first elfy
[17:15] <wxl> i booted to the try/install. does the bug come earlier?
[17:16] <wxl> oic you get the try/install only after flipping vts
[17:16] <wxl> i didn't have to do that
[17:16] <elfy> yea
[17:16] <wxl> booted right to it
[17:16] <wxl> so it MAY be a gpu issue of some kind after all
[17:16] <wxl> and/or driver
[17:16] <elfy> biab
[17:17] <wxl> i am using 386 too
[17:17] <wxl> so i wonder if it's just amd64?
[17:18] <elopio> balloons: +1'ed
[17:25] <elfy> balloons: ok - so Xubuntu and Ubuntu in vbox - vt1 then 7 and it works - Kubuntu - nada, nothing, zilch :(
[17:25] <elfy> fail
[17:26] <elfy> Kubuntu is the same here as Xubuntu and Ubuntu
[17:27] <wxl> any of you have i386 machines?
[17:27] <elfy> nope
[17:27] <wxl> i have a real suspicion that's the problem
[17:27] <elfy> well ... not working ones anyway - they're in the attic lol
[17:27] <wxl> that amd64 is the issue
[17:27] <wxl> heheheh
[17:28] <wxl> send it over :)
[17:28] <wxl> oops wrong channel :/
[17:37] <elfy> :)
[17:38] <elfy> balloons: at least hardware works ok - this could be worse :D
[19:18] <wxl> well we got the d-i issue fixed if we can pull down the new apt from debian https://bugs.launchpad.net/apt/+bug/1380774
[19:42] <Letozaf_> balloons, hi
[19:43]  * Letozaf_ oops need to reboot
[19:56] <Letozaf_> balloons, I have just installed ubuntu amd64 on a VM and after reboot I have very low resolution 640x480, have you already reported a bug ?
[20:03] <balloons> Letozaf_, hey.. I haven't yet seen that. I'm about to do a real hw install, but I can do a vm first to see
[20:05] <Letozaf_> balloons, :) I have another weired thing: my Virtualbox VM has no menu's I wanted to try to install virtualbox guest additions
[20:06] <Letozaf_> balloons, to see if that changes something
[20:07] <elfy> I can confirm 640x480 after install - have seen that for a large part of the cycle - but given all the other vbox issues - it didn't seem that big an issue against those - guest additions installs fine
[20:07] <Letozaf_> balloons, have you got the VM's menus on Virtualbox ?
[20:07] <Letozaf_> elfy, hi
[20:07] <balloons> Letozaf_, what do you mean?
[20:07] <Letozaf_> elfy, but have you got the VM's menus ?
[20:07]  * balloons noted nothing in vbox boots. Trying qemu
[20:08] <Letozaf_> balloons, well when your VM is started you got the VM's menu for chosing to install VM additions, attach a device ect...
[20:09] <elfy> Letozaf_: have menus here - using Xubuntu
[20:09] <Letozaf_> elfy, I have Ubuntu amd64
[20:09] <balloons> qemu works fine ;-)
[20:09] <Letozaf_> elfy, balloons so I am unable to install Virtualbox guest additions
[20:10] <elfy> balloons: good
[20:10] <elfy> Letozaf_: try host+D
[20:10]  * elfy can see menu and shortcuts :)
[20:11] <elfy> rightctrl+D that is by default
[20:11] <Letozaf_> elfy, thanks that worked :) but menus are still missing :P
[20:11] <elfy> :)
[20:11] <elfy> use Xubuntu ;)
[20:13] <Letozaf_> elfy, hah! could be, but I am an Ubuntu fan :p
[20:13] <elfy> :)
[20:13] <Letozaf_> elfy, mabye I could install Xubuntu on my laptop :P
[20:15] <elfy> I've had just about enough of vbox for one cycle it's got to be said - one thing after another lol
[20:22] <Letozaf_> balloons, I managed to install Virtuabox guest additons, but nothing changes, I have the same low resolution
[20:26]  * Letozaf_ is thinking to leave Virtualbox and star using qemu :P
[20:26] <Letozaf_> start
[20:26] <balloons> lol Letozaf_
[20:28] <Letozaf_> balloons, what happened to poor Virtualbox it looks a bit distraught :P
[20:28] <elfy> Letozaf_: it caught a cold somewhere round about May and it's not got rid of it ...
[20:29] <Letozaf_> elfy, oooh! looks like I have been too busy with autopilot if I found out only now :P
[20:30] <Letozaf_> elfy, didn't realize i was not using Virtualbox for sooooo long :P
[20:31] <elfy> oh it's been driving me up the wall - and I've been doing the same to balloons I think :D
[20:31] <Letozaf_> LOL
[20:32] <Letozaf_> elfy, but have you reported bugs about this ?
[20:32] <elfy> oh yes
[20:32] <Letozaf_> elfy, ok so no use I do it too :P if you got the bug number handy I can confirm it (if this is of some use)
[20:32] <elfy> which bug Letozaf_
[20:33] <elfy> the only current one I have is bug 1378423
[20:33] <elfy> all the others have been fixed
[20:33] <Letozaf_> elfy, oO fixed ? how come I am having issues :P
[20:35] <balloons> as soon as one is fixed, more appear it seems
[20:35] <elfy> balloons: that sums it up
[20:35] <Letozaf_> balloons, ok so I will try to see if someone has reported this bug otherwise I will, right ?
[20:36] <elfy> Letozaf_: I'm confused as to which bug here?
[20:36] <Letozaf_> elfy, sorry :) I meant that the menus are missing
[20:36] <elfy> aah - well I'd not see that one :)
[20:37] <Letozaf_> elfy, :)
[20:37] <balloons> Letozaf_, if you menu like the file menu and such, try maximizing and restoring the window
[20:37] <balloons> there is a bug for that
[20:37] <balloons> if you have in window menus
[20:37]  * elfy has vague recollection of someone talking about menu's missing in Ubuntu recently
[20:37] <Letozaf_> balloons, I have already tried to maximize the window but nothing changes
[20:38] <Letozaf_> balloons, I got them back!!! I pressed ctrl+c
[20:38] <Letozaf_> balloons, to exit from scale mode
[20:39] <elfy> that's not a bug - that's pebkac :D
[20:39] <Letozaf_> elfy, what is pebkac ?
[20:40] <elfy> problem exists between keyboard and chair  :D
[20:40] <Letozaf_> balloons, in scale mode no menus when I exit scale mode the menus come back
[20:41] <Letozaf_> balloons, what a tiny VM :P I am already blind... if I have to have such a small VM I will go even blinder :P
[20:42] <balloons> elfy, ROFL.. I love it
[20:42] <balloons> never heard that
[20:42] <elfy> really?
[20:43] <Letozaf_> elfy, :O lol
[20:43] <elfy> Letozaf_: I agree that 640x480 isn't much use - but I tend to do the install checks - small's ok for those - then do guest adds before the post install
[20:44] <Letozaf_> elfy, guest addons did not work for me
[20:44] <Letozaf_> elfy, still got a tiny tiny VM
[20:44] <elfy> yea :(
[20:45] <elfy> at least that one is ubuntu specific
[20:45] <Letozaf_> elfy, lol
[20:46] <elfy> we've got Xubuntu specific one - and it doesn't appear that we're going to see it fixed in time
[20:49] <Letozaf_> ok guys I must go it's getting late, I will be back tomorrow
[20:50] <balloons> Letozaf_, cheers. We'll be at this all week, hehe
[20:50] <Letozaf_> good night everyone :-)
[20:50] <Letozaf_> balloons, yeah right :)
[20:50] <Letozaf_> good night
[20:53] <elfy> time for me to offline too I think - night balloons