[07:14] <awilkins> Heh, Nexus 9 : totally ripping off the MS Surface design with that folio case : http://www.google.com/nexus/9/
[07:16] <Myrtti> how many variations of that functionality can you make?
[07:17] <awilkins> Yeah, by "ripping off" I probably just mean "following suit"
[07:17] <awilkins> I don't like the placement and prominence of that rear camera, I can see that getting dinged really easily
[07:18] <SuperMatt> I reallt want lolipop on my nexus 5 right now
[07:19] <SuperMatt> problem now is the next nexus phone will be the nexus 8 and confuse the crap out of everyone
[07:22]  * Myrtti huggles her Nexus 5
[07:22] <SuperMatt> nexus 5 has been an astonishing phone
[07:22] <Myrtti> I wish they had updated it too.
[07:22] <Myrtti> not everyone wants a massive 6 inch phone
[07:23] <SuperMatt> oh, you mean the spec?
[07:23] <SuperMatt> yeah, would be nice to have a new spec, but the same form factor
[07:28] <awilkins> Next nexusphone is the 6
[07:29] <awilkins> Yeah, 6 inches... it's a bit much for some people
[07:29] <awilkins> I'm still very happy with my Nexus 4 to be honest
[07:29] <awilkins> I guess I may CM / Lollipop it
[07:30] <Myrtti> I'm surprised that apparently Nexus 4 is getting the OTA lollipop, too
[07:37] <awilkins> Really? Cool, I'd heard rumours to the contrary.
[07:37] <awilkins> But I also heard that the Nexus 4 was the testbed in house at Google
[07:37] <Myrtti> http://googleblog.blogspot.co.uk/2014/10/android-be-together-not-same.html
[07:38] <Myrtti> "Android 5.0 Lollipop, which comes on Nexus 6, Nexus 9 and Nexus Player, will also be available on Nexus 4, 5, 7, 10 and Google Play edition devices in the coming weeks."
[07:38] <awilkins> Shiny
[07:38] <awilkins> Wonder if that includes teh 2012 N7
[07:39] <SuperMatt> wish I could just force the lollipop upgrade now >.<
[07:39] <SuperMatt> I know there's a developer preview, but it's not the same
[07:55] <popey> morning
[08:00] <popey> awilkins: unlikely
[08:00]  * popey huggles his hudl
[08:00] <awilkins> I laid hands on one in Tesco, I agree with you about them being solid
[08:00] <awilkins> Will you root / CM it at the first opportunity?
[08:01] <popey> s/CM/Ubuntu/
[08:01] <popey> yes
[08:01] <popey> http://www.modaco.com/topic/373630-hudl-2-rooted/
[08:01] <popey>  not published yet
[08:02] <Myrtti> I was actually thinking of Hudl2 earlier but I think I'll get the Nexus 9 as per usual
[08:02] <ali1234> is there a touch-enabled x86 build of ubuntu yet?
[08:02] <ali1234> with unity 8 and all that
[08:03] <awilkins> Isn't that just ... "Ubuntu"
[08:03] <popey> yes and no
[08:03] <ali1234> not really no
[08:04] <popey> i suspect there are android bits which haven't been built / tested well on x86
[08:06] <popey> the hudl2 takes a lot of power so if I have it on all the time, it doesn't charge much at all
[08:08] <awilkins> I had that with my 2012 Nexus 7 but I understand that is sometimes a software problem with it not requesting enough current from the charger
[08:10] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Conflict Resolution Day! :-D
[08:30] <DJones> @Oracle, NO I DO NOT WANT TO INSTALL THE "ASK TOOLBAR", I didn't the last 20 updates and I won't for the next updates, EVER! Stop automatically assuming I do
[08:39] <JamesTait> DJones, yeah, that's nasty.
[08:42] <foobarry> lost my voice
[08:42] <foobarry> i have nothing
[08:42] <JamesTait> It amazes me that... well, OK.  I find it incredibly unprofessional that a product that's so widely used in the enterprise space would, by default, attempt to install such a consumer-focused add-on.
[08:52] <popey> \o/ Jabber
[08:52] <JamesTait> Huzzah!
[08:52] <JamesTait> Where?
[08:53] <MattJ> Jabber \o/
[08:54] <diplo> MattJ has jabber on alert, popey has MattJ join on alert :D
[09:00] <foobarry> is there a poodle tester to test my site?
[09:03] <diplo> http://poodletest.com ?
[09:04] <foobarry> that test my browser
[09:04] <foobarry> but not a site
[09:05] <foobarry> (BigBadBucho)
[09:05] <foobarry> meh
[09:06] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:14] <JamesTait> brobostigon, o/
[09:19] <brobostigon> morning JamesTait
[09:34] <popey> freedomrun: https://gist.githubusercontent.com/bitfolk/18e8f48ebe937e802967/raw/0a8157c13bfd46b8d0807b27d4c3c7f65d23ee3a/check_poodle.sh
[09:34] <popey> https://gist.github.com/bitfolk/18e8f48ebe937e802967#file-check_poodle-sh better link
[09:46] <diplo> Also think you meant to put foobarry for the links above :D
[09:48] <ujjain> http://i.imgur.com/Fq8J8su.jpg < Is this really true? I always understood the “Dutch” interpretations and still have a hard time believing that the British have the interpretation on the middle.
[09:49] <popey> we do
[09:49] <popey> sometimes
[09:49] <ujjain> quite good most of the time means "pretty good", right?
[09:50] <popey> yes
[09:50] <ujjain> ah ok, right, so just take it with a pinch of salt then,
[09:50] <popey> yes
[09:52] <BigRedS> I have a logrotate daily config and a weekly config that both try to rotate the same files. Presumably there's no magic in logrotate to prevent that file being rotated twice?
[09:53] <diplo> Afaik it's just with the options, not done any in a while but you can check file age, size etc
[09:53] <diplo> If you have a daily, why are you running a weekly as well ?
[09:54] <BigRedS> It's not intentional, it's just that this machine is configured that way and I'm wondering if this is related to a weekly symptom I'm seeing
[09:54] <BigRedS> but, yeah, I guess the @weekly cron runs the weekly jobs and at some other point on sunday @daily does them too
[09:54] <BigRedS> and whichever comes last probably decides it's got no work on
[09:56] <foobarry> thanks popey
[09:56] <diplo> I think all mine were daily, used to check size, how much I wanted to keep and how long, and gzip it up and that was about it, always kept them fairly simple
[10:13] <DJones> Does anybody here use Audible? Just trying to get an idea on monthly costs, from what I can see, its £8 for one book, £15 for 2 books, but I can't find anything for more than that, what if you wanted 3-4 books a month
[10:23] <Myrtti> you can also get the annual plan
[10:24] <Myrtti> which dumps you either 12 or 24 credits at once
[10:24] <andylockran> i've just cancelled mine, thanks for the reminder ;0
[10:24] <Myrtti> and you can buy credits separately
[10:24] <Myrtti> (I think)
[10:37] <DJones> Myrtti: Thanks, looking at the info on annual plans, as you say, it still only does 1-2 on average a month even if they are cheaper (based on US prices, can't find a UK price for annual membership), I could probably go through 3-4 per month, might be better sticking with my local library
[11:00] <edadmin> hi i need some help installing xubuntu on a panasonic cf19 mk3. it runs fine on mk1 but the mk3 gives kernel panic. im using usb drive with unetbootin and tried daily and 14.04 both same result. boots and runs fine from usb but not from hd after install completes
[11:21] <czajkowski> aloha
[11:31] <BigRedS> morning!
[13:29] <popey> awww http://liliputing.com/2014/10/hp-shutters-webos-cloud-services-app-catalog-january-15th.html
[13:30] <Myrtti> aawwww
[14:10] <foobarry> wow. 10% cashback from my local garage from quidco
[14:36] <SuperMatt> nice work
[15:27] <czajkowski> Where would we be without Amazon Prime!
[15:27] <foobarry> amazon
[15:27] <zmoylan-pi> at the shops keeping the high street alive
[15:28] <czajkowski> zmoylan-pi: I do that too
[15:28] <czajkowski> just sometimes I need things faster
[15:30] <BigRedS> I don't think I've used Amazon since it became another ebay
[15:30] <BigRedS> now I just use ebay or real shops
[15:30] <BigRedS> Stuff actually posted by amazon arrives quickly, but it's trickier than I'd like it to be to only buy those things
[15:32] <Myrtti> we're in the middle of hicks and I'm without a car. If I didn't have Amazon, I'd bore myself to death.
[15:32] <popey> buy a car on amazon!
[15:32] <popey> FTFY!
[15:33] <Myrtti> yeah, can I buy a drivers licence from there too, or are those available only in breakfast cereal packages?
[16:01] <popey> http://www.betabrand.com/mens-poo-emoji-ut-lab-tyvek-shoes.html
[16:57] <mapps> yo
[16:57] <mapps> finally got net
[16:57] <mapps> only 4mbit till 24th..then goes to 100mbit but still;d
[16:57] <mapps> feels goodtout net at the ghouse since september 23rd
[16:59] <denny> Today's weird-ass problem... I can't seem to click halfway through a sentence in the xchat text entry box, to correct a typo or whatever.  I can go back/forwards with arrow keys and home/end, but not click with the mouse.  Can't click and drag to select either, nor double/triple-click to select.  #wtf
[17:00] <denny> the select stuff all works in the main text area
[21:31] <diddledan_> OT: apple announced retina hair removal (imac)
[21:38] <popey> wakka wakka wakka
[21:41] <diddledan_> they're calling it "retina 5k"
[21:49] <directhex> 5k display, with midrange laptop gpu
[21:49] <directhex> amazing :D
[21:49] <directhex> should be fine at 720p, i.e. 4x scaling
[21:49] <diddledan_> R9 is midrange?
[21:50] <directhex> laptop edition R9
[21:50] <diddledan_> still hardly midrange
[21:50] <diddledan_> R9 is the current cream of AMD's crop
[21:51] <daftykins> only in number, not in given specs
[21:51] <daftykins> (for the part mentioned above)
[21:51] <directhex> mobile R9 290 is less than half the speed of the real thing
[21:52] <directhex> R9 M290X is a bit slower than desktop R9 270
[21:52] <directhex> which is definitely a midrange part
[21:53] <diddledan_> yeah but stating "midrange mobile part" suggests that it's midrange for a mobile part, not that in the entire market it's midrange including the top top top 500Watt beast cards
[21:54] <directhex> it can't drive games at 5k
[21:54] <diddledan_> I would state that it's a high-end mobile part .. OR it's a mobile part period. OR it's meh
[21:54] <directhex> 5k display, you'll be stuck with pixel-doubling
[21:54] <directhex> maybe quadrupling, depending on image quality
[21:54] <daftykins> games on a mac, c'mon ;)
[21:56] <directhex> more options than games on linux!
[21:56] <daftykins> XD
[21:57] <diddledan_> somewhat related. I want a better moniter
[21:57] <diddledan_> spellign
[21:57] <diddledan_> monitor
[21:59] <diddledan_> I'm currently sat in front of a frankenstein setup - 24inch 1920*1200px on the right, 17inch 1280*1024 in the middle and 13inch retina MBP display on the left
[22:00] <diddledan_> no idea what the MBP resolution is
[22:00] <diddledan_> prolly something *1600
[22:00] <diddledan_> 2400ish?
[22:01] <diddledan_> 2560*1600
[22:01] <diddledan_> there we go
[22:01] <diddledan_> it's rather jarring going between the three
[22:01] <shauno> I still like my screen betterer :(
[22:02] <daftykins> what is it?
[22:02] <shauno> 1650x1050
[22:02] <shauno> but without any bloody scaling
[22:03] <shauno> instead of 2560x1600 that sounds amazing, but only really looks sane as 1280x800 with doubling.
[22:04] <daftykins> heh
[22:05] <shauno> I just don't like the sound of scaling with numbers that don't divide evenly
[22:09] <shauno> so the current retina displays would mean more pixels, less real estate
[22:15] <daftykins> as in the free-standing monitors they sell?
[22:17] <shauno> well, I mean the various 'retina' options for laptops
[22:18] <shauno> I'm still waiting for something that can replace my 15" :)
[22:22] <daftykins> my simple little Asus i5 laptop is still 1366x768 :(
[22:28] <shauno> I'm pretty set on wanting another mac, but for what it'll cost, I'm waiting for something that doesn't mean loosing disk space or real estate :/
[22:32] <daftykins> due to smaller pure-SSD options?
[22:32] <shauno> yeah
[22:32] <daftykins> do you honestly only use a laptop?
[22:32] <shauno> pretty much
[22:32] <shauno> my desktop's an amiga :)
[22:33] <daftykins> eww
[22:35] <shauno> waiting for the postman to bring me new drives, I've just ordered enough to double the space on this (240GB ssd + 2tb spinning-rust)
[22:39] <daftykins> :)
[22:39] <daftykins> could've gone for the 512GB Crucial MX100 - it's pretty damn cheap
[22:40] <zmoylan-pi> i'm tempted to try a rasp pi using only risc os as a desktop :-)
[22:45] <shauno> I've been sticking with Intel ssd's because I trust their warranty process
[22:47] <daftykins> hmm
[22:51] <shauno> I know, it's possibly the most boring reasoning going :)
[22:52] <Seeker`> anyone here still minecrafting?
[22:53] <daftykins> i reckon Crucial would be good for it.
[22:55] <shauno> heh, I'm playing minecraft right now :)
[22:56] <shauno> appears to work, tells me off for not having 1.8
[22:57] <Seeker`> thankoo
[22:58] <shauno> tried with 1.8, it let me in but I ran away because it's nighttime
[22:59] <Seeker`> hehe
[22:59] <Seeker`> thanks
[22:59] <shauno> didn't realise people are running servers on 1.8 yet.  I'm still on 1.7.10 because omgsomanymods
[23:07] <diddledan_> tssss
[23:08] <diddledan_> hug a creeper!
[23:08] <shauno> they just want friendsssssss
[23:29] <Seeker`> shauno: just trying to set up a new server for me and a guy at work
[23:31] <Azelphur> don't you just love it when someone does a group photo, and you're the guy behind the dude with the firefox tshirt? https://twitter.com/mozillafestival/status/522829192493162496 xD
[23:32] <daftykins> Azelphur: you weren't there! ;)
[23:32] <Azelphur> Indeed, I was never there...just a silhouette :P
[23:33] <Azelphur> https://owncloud.azelphur.com/owncloud/public.php?service=files&t=5a64b6941ba61ab12e1d9bc8d4334e83 no matter, got this one instead
[23:33] <Azelphur> The Ubuntu shirt has to earn me points
[23:35] <daftykins> what Canonical should do is sell shirts with a white square in front of 'ubuntu' so that they can put in their own DE of choice variant
[23:35] <Azelphur> haha
[23:39] <daftykins> i had an x-ray up at the hospital, yesterday
[23:39] <daftykins> turns out i broke 4 ribs! not 3
[23:40] <Azelphur> fun
[23:40] <daftykins> yip \o/