[03:31] <Kilos> morning all
[04:28] <Kilos> Maaz  coffee on
[04:28]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[04:28] <magespawn> hi Kilos 
[04:28] <Kilos> hi magespawn  we the early birds
[04:28] <Kilos> the bot lagging some today
[04:29] <magespawn> yup definitely looking that way
[04:32] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[04:32] <Kilos> Maaz  danke
[04:32] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[04:32] <Kilos> ah lag has dropped by half
[04:34] <magespawn> look like there is something happening on the interwebs, my users were complaining about slow gmail yesterday
[04:35] <magespawn> anyways i am off to breakfast, will chat later
[05:25] <Kilos> hi bduk  
[05:26] <bduk> More Kilos and all other peeps
[05:40] <bduk> Kilos:  jou harddrive nou reg?
[05:48] <Kilos> ja bduk  ek baie gelukkig met die ene
[05:49] <Kilos> en baie plek nou on data recoveries te doen
[06:18] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy  
[06:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning Kilos, everyone
[06:33] <inetpro> guten morgen
[06:38] <Kilos> morgen her inetpro  
[06:44] <magespawn> hey Kilos
[06:44] <magespawn> howdy all
[06:44] <Kilos> hi again magespawn  where are you staying? in a hotel?
[06:45] <magespawn> yes i was at one of the hotels last night. i generally stay at the closet to where i am working
[06:45] <magespawn> closest?
[06:46] <Squirm> morning
[06:47]  * Squirm googles for the closet hotel
[06:48] <magespawn> hah Squirm, i do not think google will help you there
[06:50] <Kilos> haha
[06:50] <Kilos> i wondered when you said you are going for breakfast
[07:00] <Squirm> ooh
[07:00] <Squirm> I have a YuppieChef email account
[07:00] <Kilos> haha do they mail you breakfast?
[07:01] <Symmetria> hrm, any word yet on when the next ubuntu release is
[07:01] <Squirm> Symmetria: it should be this month?
[07:01] <superfly> next week I think?
[07:01] <Squirm> not sure on the date
[07:16] <Kilos> hi Vince-0  
[07:22] <Kilos> hi Spekko  
[07:27] <Spekko> hey Kilos
[07:32] <Vince-0> hi
[07:35] <Kilos> eish maybe its time to leave google
[07:35] <Kilos> http://mybroadband.co.za/news/security/112118-poodle-bug-discovered-by-google.html
[07:37] <ThatGraemeGuy> whaaaat are you talking about?
[07:37] <ThatGraemeGuy> did you even read the article?
[07:38] <ThatGraemeGuy> Symmetria: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UtopicUnicorn/ReleaseSchedule - tl;dr 23rd Oct
[07:38] <ThatGraemeGuy> or since about 2 weeks ago on my laptop
[07:39] <ThatGraemeGuy> i generally upgrade when final beta hits, haven't had a major problem so far
[07:40] <Kilos> yip they just found another bug and they are advertising it
[07:41] <Kilos> third bug this year
 eish maybe its time to leave google
[07:41] <Kilos> lol
[07:41] <ThatGraemeGuy> you shouldn't be making statements like that
[07:41] <Kilos> sorry
[07:42] <ThatGraemeGuy> they discovered the bug, they didn't cause it
[07:42] <ThatGraemeGuy> the bug is in SSL v3 which is actually pretty ancient already
[07:42] <Kilos> ya but advertising it in my broadband isnt wise imo
[07:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> meh I give up
[07:43] <Kilos> such bugs must be kept quiet till they are fixed isnt it
[07:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> no, it isn't
[07:43] <Kilos> can you explain why please
[07:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> it cannot be fixed because its a problem in the design of the protocol not the way it was implemented
[07:44] <ThatGraemeGuy> and even if it could, SSL v3 is OLD, and was replaced by TLS 1.0 15 YEARS ago
[07:44] <ThatGraemeGuy> so no
[07:44] <Kilos> ok ty
[07:45] <magespawn> so by letting people know about the bug it alerts those people who have not changed they should do it now
[07:45] <Kilos> ah ty
[07:50] <charl> good morning
[07:50] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[07:50]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[07:52] <Kilos> hi charl  
[07:54] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[08:19] <charl> Maaz: thanks
[08:19] <Maaz> charl: Okay :-)
[08:19] <charl> hi Kilos 
[08:32] <magespawn> hi charl 
[08:39] <Kilos> haha wb georgl  
[08:45] <Squirm> http://mybroadband.co.za/news/general/112262-u2-apologises-for-spamming-itunes.html
[09:03] <Vince-0> As if U2 and Apple didn't plan it so it would happen that way
[09:36] <Kilos> shame, porr bushand his voda buddies
[09:36] <Kilos> poor
[09:36] <Kilos> ai!
[09:36] <Kilos> bushtech
[09:38] <Kilos> wb bushtech  
[09:41] <Kilos> lol the wind is blowing you away
[09:41] <Kilos> sjoe
[10:46] <charl> good afternoon Kilos 
[10:46] <Kilos> hi charl  
[10:46] <charl> how are you doing
[10:46] <Kilos> good ty and you?
[10:47] <charl> good good
[11:31] <magespawn> anybody skilled in php?
[11:31] <charl> hi magespawn 
[11:31] <magespawn> hey ChanServ 
[11:31] <charl> lol
[11:31] <magespawn> oops
[11:31] <charl> tab fail :P
[11:31] <magespawn> hey charl 
[11:32] <charl> anyone who is skilled in php would probably be too afraid to admit it these days
[11:32] <charl> i have php background so ask away
[11:32] <charl> just for the record, i stopped doing php many years ago :P
[11:33] <magespawn> i have just removed some files from a company website, that our hosting provider said were abusive
[11:33] <magespawn> i think they were put there during an earlier hack of the site
[11:33] <charl> likely
[11:34] <magespawn> i can put them up on slexy, i want to know what they do
[11:34] <charl> ubuntu pastebin is better than slexy
[11:34] <charl> it has better width for the actual paste content
[11:34] <magespawn> okay brb
[11:39] <magespawn> http://pastebin.com/NzgnDqcP
[11:39] <magespawn> that is the one file
[11:41] <charl> it's a php file manager application
[11:41] <magespawn> there are several other files too
[11:43] <charl> ah it's a politically motivated hacking team https://www.facebook.com/Tryagteam
[11:43] <charl> you can download a copy of that at https://www.facebook.com/Tryagteam/posts/479417632088830
[11:44] <charl> if i search for it i get a LOT of results https://www.google.nl/search?q=%22Tryag+File+Manager%22
[11:44] <charl> it seems like they (and other people using their stuff) have been busy
[11:44] <charl> i particularly like this setup https://www.facebook.com/Tryagteam/photos/pb.432039136832672.-2207520000.1413459742./716842445019005/?type=1
[11:45] <magespawn> here is another file http://pastebin.com/tV2Dsfgz
[11:46] <magespawn> what is that?
[11:52] <charl> ah it's an irc bot
[11:55] <magespawn> that is what i thought, so they were using my server to run an irc channel or at least the bot
[11:57] <charl> no the bot was connecting outward
[11:57] <charl> some indonesian irc server
[11:58] <charl> yup both were being abused for security-related purposes
[11:59] <charl> perhaps spam or other exploits
[11:59] <charl> nothing too much out of the usual
[12:02] <magespawn> great, that will probable mean the domain/ip address is going to get flagged at some point
[12:02] <charl> yup
[13:26] <magespawn> charl, going to have to do a lot of reading on how to secure the websites 
[13:27] <charl> good thinking magespawn 
[13:28] <magespawn> i like learning new things, and it is always nice to have good motivation
[13:28] <charl> yeah indeed
[13:28] <Kilos> lol
[13:28] <Kilos> your month end pay is supposed to be the motivation
[13:29] <Kilos> and the smile on the bosses face when he seas you
[13:29] <magespawn> Kilos i get asked to do a lot of divergent things, so this is a more personal pleasure
[13:29] <Kilos> haha
[13:30] <Kilos> its always good to have answers so no end of reading and remembering is enough
[13:30] <magespawn> and my biggest problem is a lack of focus, motivation like this creates the focus
[13:31] <Kilos> aw i forgot how to focus on things
[13:32] <charl> when you are in an all-round IT job focus is hard
[13:40] <magespawn> when you are me, focus is hard, so double whammy on that one.
[13:43] <Kilos> aw whats wrong with you my magespawn  
[13:43] <Kilos> you seem to have done well this last year or so, you learned lots
[13:51] <Kilos> luckily you helped me lots when you still had tioime
[13:51] <Kilos> time as well
[15:04] <Kilos> ohi superfly  
[15:52] <tumbleweed> superfly: ubuntu-za.org looks like it needs some serious love
[16:13] <charl> good evening
[16:14] <charl> hey tumbleweed 
[16:14] <charl> long time no see
[16:17] <tumbleweed> hi charl
[16:17]  * tumbleweed has gone to SF
[16:17] <tumbleweed> but if you're looking for somethung fun :P https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16/Bids/Cape_Town
[16:46] <charl> ah you living in the 'valley now? :P
[16:46] <charl> tumbleweed: ^^
[16:47] <charl> wb Kilos 
[16:48] <Kilos> ty charl  wind blew the power away
[16:48] <charl> have you heard tumbleweed is living in the 'valley :P
[16:48] <charl> bah that sucks :(
[16:48] <charl> about your power i mean, not tumbleweed 
[16:48] <Kilos> in the valley?
[16:48] <tumbleweed> charl: well, in the city. Not a fan of the valley
[16:48] <Kilos> hi tumbleweed  
[16:48] <charl> ah :D
[16:49] <charl> silicon valley Kilos 
[16:49] <tumbleweed> hi Kilos 
[16:49] <charl> or san francisco in any case
[16:49] <Kilos> oh my 
[16:49] <charl> not the valley then but the city
[16:49] <charl> like i would know the difference :P never been there
[16:50] <charl> tumbleweed: tell us more ! you got a cool job at a startup?
[16:52] <tumbleweed> charl: nothing new. same (not quite a startup any more) startup as cape town - yola
[16:52] <tumbleweed> just a change of scenary
[16:54] <charl> ah that company
[16:54] <charl> yes i went for a job interview there once
[16:54] <charl> with brent and vinny
[16:54] <charl> there was also a girl who brought us lunch but i can't remember her name
[16:54] <tumbleweed> janine? I think she's been the office manager there since the beginning
[16:55] <tumbleweed> vinny's long gone, brent is here in SF
[16:58] <charl> ah nice send my regards
[16:58] <charl> he would also know another friend of mine
[16:58] <charl> neville newey
[17:19] <Kilos> i knew he was in the states charl but not where presactly
[17:19] <Kilos> didnt know silicon valley is in SF
[17:20] <charl> according to wikipedia: Silicon Valley is a nickname for the southern portion of the San Francisco Bay Area of Northern California in the United States.
[17:20] <Kilos> nice to see you chatting some here tumbleweed  
[17:21] <Kilos> is the crash kid also there?
[17:23] <charl> nono he sold his soul to facebook
[17:23] <charl> he has his face shut in a book now
[17:24] <Kilos> aha
[17:24] <Kilos> but i mean also like 9 hours behind us
[17:25] <charl> if a person's face turns into a book, it means (s)he is easy to read right? :P
[17:25] <Kilos> lol
[17:26] <charl> whow it's only 7 and it's pitch dark outside
[17:26] <charl> winter is coming
[17:27] <charl> yes... we all know it 
[17:32] <Kilos> lo nuvolari_  
[17:33] <nuvolari_> oh hi oom Kilos :)
[17:41] <tumbleweed> Kilos: yeah, he's down in the valley. I haven't got around to seeing him, here, yet
[17:42] <Kilos> ok now i know you are having lunch when we are at 9pm about ty
[17:43] <tumbleweed> :)
[17:50] <Kilos> inetpro  die wind roer ne
[18:26] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:00] <superfly> tumbleweed: :-(
[19:01] <inetpro> good evening
[19:03] <superfly> hi inetpro
[19:03] <inetpro> how goes it superfly?
[19:04] <superfly> inetpro: busy...
[19:04] <inetpro> ai!
[19:04] <superfly> had an all-day workshop at work today, finished up at 6, got home at 7:45
[19:05] <charl> hi superfly, inetpro 
[19:05] <superfly> hi charl
[19:06] <inetpro> hi charl
[19:06]  * inetpro just got home a few minutes ago
[19:06] <charl> whow ! late day at the office ?
[19:06] <inetpro> after driving through thick clouds of dust
[19:06] <inetpro> was almost like mist in front of me all the way
[19:09] <inetpro> we migrated to a new drupal website today
[19:10] <inetpro> after many moons of blood, sweat and tears
[19:11] <charl> with drupal.. prepare for pain
[19:11] <charl> welcome to the rice fields
[19:12] <inetpro> rice fields?
[19:14] <inetpro> don't want to speak too early but with the team of developers we have I think this one should be much better than previous efforts
[19:16] <charl> inetpro: https://i.imgflip.com/d5akc.jpg
[19:16] <superfly> Drupal is a darn sight better than WordPress
[19:16] <superfly> my company is learning the hard way
[19:17] <superfly> charl: tell me why Drupal is pain? when did you last use it?
[19:18] <charl> i don't know how it is right now, last time i used it was 2008 i tihnk
[19:18] <charl> the code was a spaghetti monster of a disaster
[19:19] <charl> many of the third party plugins were either of terrible quality, extremely buggy, or both
[19:19] <superfly> charl: are you sure you're not talking about WordPress?
[19:19] <superfly> sounds a lot like WP to me, more so than Drupal
[19:19] <charl> you got unexpected problems of all kinds that were very hard to impossible to trace because, as said, code is a royal disaster
[19:20] <charl> well the problem with WP is that it is inspired by drupal
[19:20] <charl> they use some of the same terrible design patterns that drupal uses
[19:20] <superfly> charl: no, they are completely different, at least they were the last time I looked at WP, and WP is not inspired by Drupal
[19:21] <superfly> charl: then again, what more can you expect from a system written in PHP?
[19:21] <charl> that too yes
[19:21] <charl> but that's not correct, matt mullenweg said himself that they share a lot of code back and forth with drupal
[19:22] <charl> i listened to a talk of him saying that, let me see if i can find it
[19:22] <superfly> "sharing code" != "same architecture"
[19:22] <charl> i didn't say architecture, i said design patterns
[19:23] <superfly> I still disagree.
[19:25] <charl> nope the video got taken down it seems
[19:25] <charl> it used to be on a site called zoopy which since got closed down
[19:25] <superfly> zoopy died years ago
[19:26] <charl> yup
[19:26] <charl> funny thing is, i applied there for a job many years ago
[19:26] <charl> didn't end up working there though
[19:30] <charl> https://wordpress.org/about/
[19:30] <charl> they thank drupal for ideas and inspiration on the about page
[19:30] <charl> there is a historical connection between the two
[19:30] <charl> but that might have dissolved years ago
[19:30] <charl> back then, and this is talking 5+ years ago, i could very clearly see the same concepts coming back in wordpress as i saw in drupal
[19:31] <charl> and i spent quite a bit of time in those years going through the code of both platforms
[19:31] <charl> i was not impressed
[19:31] <charl> but, that *was* 5+ years ago, and of course i'm sure a lot has changed