[03:31] morning all [04:28] Maaz coffee on [04:28] * Maaz washes some mugs [04:28] hi Kilos [04:28] hi magespawn we the early birds [04:28] the bot lagging some today [04:29] yup definitely looking that way [04:32] Coffee's ready for Kilos! [04:32] Maaz danke [04:32] Bitteschön [04:32] ah lag has dropped by half [04:34] look like there is something happening on the interwebs, my users were complaining about slow gmail yesterday [04:35] anyways i am off to breakfast, will chat later [05:25] hi bduk [05:26] More Kilos and all other peeps [05:40] Kilos: jou harddrive nou reg? [05:48] ja bduk ek baie gelukkig met die ene [05:49] en baie plek nou on data recoveries te doen [06:18] hi ThatGraemeGuy [06:19] morning Kilos, everyone [06:33] guten morgen [06:38] morgen her inetpro [06:44] hey Kilos [06:44] howdy all [06:44] hi again magespawn where are you staying? in a hotel? [06:45] yes i was at one of the hotels last night. i generally stay at the closet to where i am working [06:45] closest? [06:46] morning [06:47] * Squirm googles for the closet hotel [06:48] hah Squirm, i do not think google will help you there [06:50] haha [06:50] i wondered when you said you are going for breakfast [07:00] ooh [07:00] I have a YuppieChef email account [07:00] haha do they mail you breakfast? [07:01] hrm, any word yet on when the next ubuntu release is [07:01] Symmetria: it should be this month? [07:01] next week I think? [07:01] not sure on the date [07:16] hi Vince-0 [07:22] hi Spekko [07:27] hey Kilos [07:32] hi [07:35] eish maybe its time to leave google [07:35] http://mybroadband.co.za/news/security/112118-poodle-bug-discovered-by-google.html [07:37] whaaaat are you talking about? [07:37] did you even read the article? [07:38] Symmetria: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UtopicUnicorn/ReleaseSchedule - tl;dr 23rd Oct [07:38] or since about 2 weeks ago on my laptop [07:39] i generally upgrade when final beta hits, haven't had a major problem so far [07:40] yip they just found another bug and they are advertising it [07:41] third bug this year [07:41] eish maybe its time to leave google [07:41] lol [07:41] you shouldn't be making statements like that [07:41] sorry [07:42] they discovered the bug, they didn't cause it [07:42] the bug is in SSL v3 which is actually pretty ancient already [07:42] ya but advertising it in my broadband isnt wise imo [07:43] meh I give up [07:43] such bugs must be kept quiet till they are fixed isnt it [07:43] no, it isn't [07:43] can you explain why please [07:43] it cannot be fixed because its a problem in the design of the protocol not the way it was implemented [07:44] and even if it could, SSL v3 is OLD, and was replaced by TLS 1.0 15 YEARS ago [07:44] so no [07:44] ok ty [07:45] so by letting people know about the bug it alerts those people who have not changed they should do it now [07:45] ah ty [07:50] good morning [07:50] Maaz: coffee on [07:50] * Maaz starts grinding coffee [07:52] hi charl [07:54] Coffee's ready for charl! [08:19] Maaz: thanks [08:19] charl: Okay :-) [08:19] hi Kilos [08:32] hi charl === georgl is now known as dumbel [08:39] haha wb georgl [08:45] http://mybroadband.co.za/news/general/112262-u2-apologises-for-spamming-itunes.html [09:03] As if U2 and Apple didn't plan it so it would happen that way [09:36] shame, porr bushand his voda buddies [09:36] poor [09:36] ai! [09:36] bushtech [09:38] wb bushtech [09:41] lol the wind is blowing you away [09:41] sjoe [10:46] good afternoon Kilos [10:46] hi charl [10:46] how are you doing [10:46] good ty and you? [10:47] good good [11:31] anybody skilled in php? [11:31] hi magespawn [11:31] hey ChanServ [11:31] lol [11:31] oops [11:31] tab fail :P [11:31] hey charl [11:32] anyone who is skilled in php would probably be too afraid to admit it these days [11:32] i have php background so ask away [11:32] just for the record, i stopped doing php many years ago :P [11:33] i have just removed some files from a company website, that our hosting provider said were abusive [11:33] i think they were put there during an earlier hack of the site [11:33] likely [11:34] i can put them up on slexy, i want to know what they do [11:34] ubuntu pastebin is better than slexy [11:34] it has better width for the actual paste content [11:34] okay brb [11:39] http://pastebin.com/NzgnDqcP [11:39] that is the one file [11:41] it's a php file manager application [11:41] there are several other files too [11:43] ah it's a politically motivated hacking team https://www.facebook.com/Tryagteam [11:43] you can download a copy of that at https://www.facebook.com/Tryagteam/posts/479417632088830 [11:44] if i search for it i get a LOT of results https://www.google.nl/search?q=%22Tryag+File+Manager%22 [11:44] it seems like they (and other people using their stuff) have been busy [11:44] i particularly like this setup https://www.facebook.com/Tryagteam/photos/pb.432039136832672.-2207520000.1413459742./716842445019005/?type=1 [11:45] here is another file http://pastebin.com/tV2Dsfgz [11:46] what is that? [11:52] ah it's an irc bot [11:55] that is what i thought, so they were using my server to run an irc channel or at least the bot [11:57] no the bot was connecting outward [11:57] some indonesian irc server [11:58] yup both were being abused for security-related purposes [11:59] perhaps spam or other exploits [11:59] nothing too much out of the usual [12:02] great, that will probable mean the domain/ip address is going to get flagged at some point [12:02] yup [13:26] charl, going to have to do a lot of reading on how to secure the websites [13:27] good thinking magespawn [13:28] i like learning new things, and it is always nice to have good motivation [13:28] yeah indeed [13:28] lol [13:28] your month end pay is supposed to be the motivation [13:29] and the smile on the bosses face when he seas you [13:29] Kilos i get asked to do a lot of divergent things, so this is a more personal pleasure [13:29] haha [13:30] its always good to have answers so no end of reading and remembering is enough [13:30] and my biggest problem is a lack of focus, motivation like this creates the focus [13:31] aw i forgot how to focus on things [13:32] when you are in an all-round IT job focus is hard [13:40] when you are me, focus is hard, so double whammy on that one. [13:43] aw whats wrong with you my magespawn [13:43] you seem to have done well this last year or so, you learned lots [13:51] luckily you helped me lots when you still had tioime [13:51] time as well [15:04] ohi superfly [15:52] superfly: ubuntu-za.org looks like it needs some serious love [16:13] good evening [16:14] hey tumbleweed [16:14] long time no see [16:17] hi charl [16:17] * tumbleweed has gone to SF [16:17] but if you're looking for somethung fun :P https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16/Bids/Cape_Town [16:46] ah you living in the 'valley now? :P [16:46] tumbleweed: ^^ [16:47] wb Kilos [16:48] ty charl wind blew the power away [16:48] have you heard tumbleweed is living in the 'valley :P [16:48] bah that sucks :( [16:48] about your power i mean, not tumbleweed [16:48] in the valley? [16:48] charl: well, in the city. Not a fan of the valley [16:48] hi tumbleweed [16:48] ah :D [16:49] silicon valley Kilos [16:49] hi Kilos [16:49] or san francisco in any case [16:49] oh my [16:49] not the valley then but the city [16:49] like i would know the difference :P never been there [16:50] tumbleweed: tell us more ! you got a cool job at a startup? [16:52] charl: nothing new. same (not quite a startup any more) startup as cape town - yola [16:52] just a change of scenary [16:54] ah that company [16:54] yes i went for a job interview there once [16:54] with brent and vinny [16:54] there was also a girl who brought us lunch but i can't remember her name [16:54] janine? I think she's been the office manager there since the beginning [16:55] vinny's long gone, brent is here in SF [16:58] ah nice send my regards [16:58] he would also know another friend of mine [16:58] neville newey [17:19] i knew he was in the states charl but not where presactly [17:19] didnt know silicon valley is in SF [17:20] according to wikipedia: Silicon Valley is a nickname for the southern portion of the San Francisco Bay Area of Northern California in the United States. [17:20] nice to see you chatting some here tumbleweed [17:21] is the crash kid also there? [17:23] nono he sold his soul to facebook [17:23] he has his face shut in a book now [17:24] aha [17:24] but i mean also like 9 hours behind us [17:25] if a person's face turns into a book, it means (s)he is easy to read right? :P [17:25] lol [17:26] whow it's only 7 and it's pitch dark outside [17:26] winter is coming [17:27] yes... we all know it [17:32] lo nuvolari_ [17:33] oh hi oom Kilos :) [17:41] Kilos: yeah, he's down in the valley. I haven't got around to seeing him, here, yet [17:42] ok now i know you are having lunch when we are at 9pm about ty [17:43] :) [17:50] inetpro die wind roer ne [18:26] night all. sleep tight [19:00] tumbleweed: :-( [19:01] good evening [19:03] hi inetpro [19:03] how goes it superfly? [19:04] inetpro: busy... [19:04] ai! [19:04] had an all-day workshop at work today, finished up at 6, got home at 7:45 [19:05] hi superfly, inetpro [19:05] hi charl [19:06] hi charl [19:06] * inetpro just got home a few minutes ago [19:06] whow ! late day at the office ? [19:06] after driving through thick clouds of dust [19:06] was almost like mist in front of me all the way [19:09] we migrated to a new drupal website today [19:10] after many moons of blood, sweat and tears [19:11] with drupal.. prepare for pain [19:11] welcome to the rice fields [19:12] rice fields? [19:14] don't want to speak too early but with the team of developers we have I think this one should be much better than previous efforts [19:16] inetpro: https://i.imgflip.com/d5akc.jpg [19:16] Drupal is a darn sight better than WordPress [19:16] my company is learning the hard way [19:17] charl: tell me why Drupal is pain? when did you last use it? [19:18] i don't know how it is right now, last time i used it was 2008 i tihnk [19:18] the code was a spaghetti monster of a disaster [19:19] many of the third party plugins were either of terrible quality, extremely buggy, or both [19:19] charl: are you sure you're not talking about WordPress? [19:19] sounds a lot like WP to me, more so than Drupal [19:19] you got unexpected problems of all kinds that were very hard to impossible to trace because, as said, code is a royal disaster [19:20] well the problem with WP is that it is inspired by drupal [19:20] they use some of the same terrible design patterns that drupal uses [19:20] charl: no, they are completely different, at least they were the last time I looked at WP, and WP is not inspired by Drupal [19:21] charl: then again, what more can you expect from a system written in PHP? [19:21] that too yes [19:21] but that's not correct, matt mullenweg said himself that they share a lot of code back and forth with drupal [19:22] i listened to a talk of him saying that, let me see if i can find it [19:22] "sharing code" != "same architecture" [19:22] i didn't say architecture, i said design patterns [19:23] I still disagree. [19:25] nope the video got taken down it seems [19:25] it used to be on a site called zoopy which since got closed down [19:25] zoopy died years ago [19:26] yup [19:26] funny thing is, i applied there for a job many years ago [19:26] didn't end up working there though [19:30] https://wordpress.org/about/ [19:30] they thank drupal for ideas and inspiration on the about page [19:30] there is a historical connection between the two [19:30] but that might have dissolved years ago [19:30] back then, and this is talking 5+ years ago, i could very clearly see the same concepts coming back in wordpress as i saw in drupal [19:31] and i spent quite a bit of time in those years going through the code of both platforms [19:31] i was not impressed [19:31] but, that *was* 5+ years ago, and of course i'm sure a lot has changed