[06:15] <soee> good morning
[06:34] <soee> Riddell: ping
[07:25] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:48] <apachelogger> Riddell, shadeslayer, Mirv: apparently we might want to land https://codereview.qt-project.org/#/c/89486/ https://codereview.qt-project.org/#/c/89487/
[07:48] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: ping
[07:48] <apachelogger> otherwise remote urls cannot be processed correctly
[07:48] <apachelogger> ovidiu-florin: oh hai there, website? :P
[07:49]  * ovidiu-florin hides
[07:49]  * ovidiu-florin hides in shame :((
[07:49] <soee> ;)
[07:50] <ovidiu-florin> I haven't managed to do more on that :(
[07:51] <ovidiu-florin> lot's of things on my responsibility right now
[07:51] <ovidiu-florin> maybe I'll get a minion at this Hackaton, and get him to do the needed research
[07:51] <ovidiu-florin> apachelogger: do you have a KDE developer account?
[07:52] <valorie> ovidiu-florin: how is married life?
[07:52] <apachelogger> ovidiu-florin: yes
[07:53] <ovidiu-florin> valorie: no difference
[07:53] <valorie> heh
[07:53] <ovidiu-florin> apachelogger: will you support me in getting one?
[07:53] <apachelogger> I have not seen a single line of code from you :O
[07:54] <apachelogger> ovidiu-florin: why do you need one?
[07:54] <ovidiu-florin> to be able to commit
[07:54] <apachelogger> lol yeah, I figured that out :P
[07:54] <apachelogger> to which repo
[07:55] <ovidiu-florin> right now on KDevelop, but not limited to that
[07:55] <apachelogger> ovidiu-florin: ask someone from kdevelop to back you then? :)
[07:56] <ovidiu-florin> already did, waiting for the answer
[07:56] <ovidiu-florin> but I was hoping to have the support of multiple people
[07:56] <valorie> might be better to ask your fellow kdevelop devels to sponsor you
[07:56] <valorie> since they see your code
[07:56] <valorie> or apachelogger will make you fix multimedia stuffs
[07:56] <apachelogger> ovidiu-florin: it's not formal enough to warant that ^^
[07:56] <valorie> you just need one person
[07:57] <apachelogger> yeah
[07:57] <valorie> ovidiu-florin: I don't even code, and I have one
[07:57] <ovidiu-florin> yes, but I'm special :P:P
[07:57] <valorie> <3
[07:57] <apachelogger> can you even list multiple people?
[07:58] <valorie> I've never seen that
[07:58] <apachelogger> IIRC one gets a mail to confirm, poor sysadmins then need to read one's confirmation, so the more people the more mails for sysadmins to read ^^
[07:58] <apachelogger> think of the poor sysadmins
[07:58] <apachelogger> valorie: seems to be newish
[07:59] <valorie> I got mine via IRC
[07:59] <valorie> slip-shod
[07:59] <apachelogger> got one for xhochy's application and then victor even replied to my confirmation xD
[07:59] <apachelogger> such spam
[07:59] <apachelogger> xD
[07:59] <valorie> since i never fixed the MM website after all
[07:59] <apachelogger> such lazy
[07:59] <apachelogger> oh new phonon
[08:00] <valorie> but, I was able to commit to the books repo so it all worked out
[08:00] <valorie> now the website is in git, so I can still do it
[08:00] <valorie> "one of these days"
[08:00] <apachelogger> ^^
[08:00] <apachelogger> websites are crap
[08:01] <apachelogger> I think we should replace them all with redirects to youtube videos
[08:01] <apachelogger> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Of2HU3LGdbo
[08:02] <valorie> that reminds me of the one that Colbert used to introduce the off-year elections bit
[08:04] <apachelogger> Oo
[08:05] <apachelogger> I can see how the cat chasing a duck while riding a roomba relates to elections *nod*
[08:06] <valorie> that was the point
[08:07] <valorie> so boring to talk about elections when you can watch cat on roomba in a costume etc
[08:07] <valorie> I was going to find the bit but it looks like they only have whole shows now
[08:07] <valorie> boo
[08:08] <valorie> yup, part of the same vid
[08:08] <valorie> classic
[08:09] <valorie> I want to live in that household
[08:18] <apachelogger> valorie: lol
[08:19] <apachelogger> not sure I'd be comfortable with a catshark
[08:22] <valorie> I know my cat wouldn't be down with that
[08:22] <valorie> I totally would
[08:31] <Riddell> soee: you pung?
[08:32] <Riddell> apachelogger: as I said on the mailing list I looked at that patch but it doesn't apply cleanly to qt 5.3
[08:33] <apachelogger> Riddell: on which list was that?
[08:33] <Riddell> kubuntu-devel no?
[08:34] <soee> Riddell: yeah i wanted your opinion @https://plus.google.com/117571247960696909377/posts/UCXneJhDwGt but i see Harald already gave an answer that would be similiar to yours
[08:34] <Riddell> apachelogger: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2014-October/008835.html
[08:36] <apachelogger> https://build.opensuse.org/package/view_file/openSUSE:Factory/libqt5-qtbase/0004-QFileDialog-implement-getOpenFileUrl-and-friends-for.patch?expand=1
[08:36] <apachelogger> https://build.opensuse.org/package/view_file/openSUSE:Factory/libqt5-qtbase/0003-QFileDialog-turn-workingDirectory-into-a-QUrl.patch?expand=1
[08:36] <apachelogger> Riddell: seems to apply for opensuse?
[08:37] <apachelogger> there's also https://build.opensuse.org/package/view_file/openSUSE:Factory/libqt5-qtbase/0002-QUrl-fromLocalFile-QString-should-lead-to-an-empty-U.patch?expand=1
[08:37] <apachelogger> and https://build.opensuse.org/package/view_file/KDE:Qt5/libqt5-qtbase/0001-QFileDialog-emit-urlsSelected-urlSelected-in-accept.patch?expand=1
[08:38] <Riddell> seems opensuse have 5.3.2 https://build.opensuse.org/package/view_file/openSUSE:Factory/libqt5-qtbase/libqt5-qtbase.changes?expand=1
[08:38] <apachelogger> that shouldn't really make a difference?
[08:38] <Riddell> now you're saying we should have more patches? not like you :)
[08:38]  * apachelogger wonders if he has a base clone around
[08:39] <apachelogger> Riddell: they are upstream and break remote kio interaction :P
[08:39]  * apachelogger needs to be able to watch porn form smb -.-
[08:40] <Riddell> apachelogger: so you want me to look at applying it again? you have no free time for it?
[08:40] <apachelogger> Riddell: I need to do iso in a bit
[08:40] <apachelogger> so would be good if you could
[08:41] <apachelogger> Riddell: I am trying to get you patches against 5.3.0 though
[08:41] <Riddell> vale vale, I'll put it on my todo
[08:59] <apachelogger> Riddell: .2 really would be easier ... http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/tmp/qtbase/ these apply against .0
[09:00] <apachelogger> no clue if it builds, the 0004 is a complete theirs strategy merge so it might access a function that isn't there ^^
[09:00] <Riddell> ooh thanks
[09:00] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: re qt patch, for 14.10?
[09:01] <apachelogger> yeah
[09:01] <shadeslayer> Might want to talk to the canonical folks ?
[09:01] <apachelogger> I did include Mirv in the ping :P
[09:02] <shadeslayer> XD
[09:02] <shadeslayer> Ok
[09:02] <shadeslayer> Good enough ;)
[09:04] <Mirv> apachelogger: shadeslayer: feel free to upload to utopic
[09:04] <shadeslayer> Hurrah
[09:05] <Mirv> I have one fix upcoming for bug #1357321 but probably not for utopic. and 5.3.2 tentatively beginning of November to v-series.
[09:05] <Riddell> shadeslayer: have you seen the changes maxy did to the sddm init file?
[09:06] <Riddell> it's about 1/10th of the size now, I'm quite suspicious of it
[09:06] <shadeslayer> Riddell: init file ? Nope
[09:06] <Mirv> apachelogger: shadeslayer: just note that the main packaging branch is already about 5.3.2, 5.3.0 is at https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/qtbase-opensource-src_530
[09:07] <apachelogger> Mirv: for utopic?
[09:07] <Riddell> shadeslayer: http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/kde-std/sddm.git/commit/?id=f379e6d3fef88a5d71208c09e569c0383b799c89
[09:07] <Mirv> apachelogger: no, not 5.3.2 for utopic
[09:07] <Mirv> or depending what was asked :)
[09:07] <Mirv> that _530 packaging branch is what's currently in utopic
[09:08] <apachelogger> yah, we should land it in utopic  primarily 
[09:08] <apachelogger> I guess for +1 we'll hopefully end up with 5.4 anyway :S
[09:08] <Mirv> hopefully yes, but at first it's useful to get same bugfix release as Debian has to it
[09:08] <shadeslayer> Riddell: mmmm ... Well, mostly we will be using the upstart file anyway
[09:09] <shadeslayer> So it should be fine I guess
[09:09] <Mirv> 5.3.2 test packages are btw at https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-015 if ever interested (they are currently build for utopic, but I'll start source copy building them for v-series when it's open)
[09:09] <Mirv> I'll have frameworkintegration and plasma-framework rebuilds there too
[09:10] <Riddell> 5.3 is old school, all the plasma kids are talking about is 5.4 these days
[09:12] <apachelogger> oh on that note
[09:12] <apachelogger> Mirv: did we by any chance grow a patch regarding mouse/wheel input within the last month or so?
[09:13] <apachelogger> wheel input on qt controls sliders is broken as of late for me and I am not sure whether something broke in kde frameworks or qt
[09:14] <Mirv> apachelogger: no, qtbase has been relatively same since June: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtbase-opensource-src/+changelog . qtdeclarative has seen a lot of patches.
[09:15] <apachelogger> mhh, need to do some investigating then
[09:15] <apachelogger> brrr
[09:36] <Riddell> apachelogger, shadeslayer: sddm put into git, you may want to ci it
[09:37] <apachelogger> brrr
[09:37] <Riddell> does that make you shiver?
[09:37] <apachelogger> yes, it's sddm :S
[09:38] <Riddell> you should move to barcelona, toasty hot here
[09:38] <apachelogger> Riddell: btw, what's with muon now? did you twiddle the includes around
[09:38] <Riddell> apachelogger: yes I did, still needs packaging newer qt5 versions of qca, qoauth
[09:39] <Riddell> and it installs qml and plugins to the wrong paths which needs looked at
[09:39] <Riddell> and then it still doesn't install stuff
[09:39] <apachelogger> Riddell: have you made sure to use the /3/ include of pkg-kde?
[09:40] <apachelogger> using /2/ would explain the incorrect path
[09:40] <Riddell> I just build it by hand expecting ecm to pick up the right paths
[09:40] <apachelogger> or did you do a manual build without packaging?
[09:40] <apachelogger> ah, then it is peculiar
[09:41] <apachelogger> Riddell: did the manchicken reply on what to do with qapt?
[09:42] <Riddell> apachelogger: only to say he's busy
[09:42]  * apachelogger throws hands up in the air
[09:42] <Riddell> we have qapt for qt5 in the archive
[09:42] <apachelogger> going to merge frameworks branch into amster then :P
[09:42] <Riddell> which is weird because we have the qt4 .deb package still too
[09:42] <Riddell> not sure why that doesn't show up in NBS
[09:42] <apachelogger> I doubt we'll see another release of the qt4 thing anyway
[09:42] <apachelogger> Riddell: qt5 is in next
[09:43] <apachelogger> it weirdly shares the runtime with qt4 though, because muon was blocking a full migration
[09:43] <apachelogger> so that can be changed once we land muon in next
[09:44] <Riddell> ah yes so it is
[09:45] <Riddell> qoauth needs patches to compile, it can't find qca
[09:45] <Riddell> apol tried to make a patch (in qca) but it didn't seem to do much
[09:45] <Riddell> also the soversion is the same between qt4 and 5 which feels wrong
[09:49] <apachelogger> yes, that is indeed wrong ^^
[09:49] <apachelogger> Riddell: of qca?
[09:55] <Riddell> apachelogger: qca and qoauth I think
[09:56] <apachelogger> Riddell: qca I think had an entire argument in some reviewrequest
[09:56]  * apachelogger was rather under the impression that it got resolved 
[09:58] <apachelogger> Riddell: https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/119939/
[09:58] <apachelogger> check with MK I guess
[10:01] <Riddell> "This change has been discarded." cos Ivan didn't like it despite everyone telling him it was necessary
[10:02] <Riddell> you just can't get the upstreams these days
[10:03] <apachelogger> #forkit
[10:49] <sgclark> morning
[10:53] <Riddell> hola shadeslayer 
[10:54] <Riddell> and hola sgclark 
[10:59] <sgclark> Riddell: well several of of bugs  for my desktop-mime bit they are applying without problems, but one came back asking "how serious is this" because they do not know if it is beneficial or harmful
[11:10] <Riddell> sgclark: have you tested them out? use dolphin to open a file of the relevant type, does it open in the application?
[11:15] <Mamarok> seriously, guys, this keyboard issue is annoying, where should I report this to? Reminder of the problem: I can't add a German(Germany) layout despite having everything installed (language, keyboard packs), I currently have Swiss German, Swiss French and US, everytime I try to add the German one the only option availabel is German, Swiss
[11:16] <Mamarok> the physical keyboard's layout is German (Germany)
[11:19] <Riddell> Mamarok: yes I confirm that problem, most strange
[11:19] <Riddell> Mamarok: I guess nobody answered before because nobody knows where that list comes from
[11:19] <Mamarok> and there is really no reason this should happen
[11:20] <Riddell> john layt is likely to know where it comes from
[11:20] <Riddell> and it may well be a bug in kde or ubuntu
[11:20] <Mamarok> it is a regression, sa I was able to have the German layout in Trusty,  so maybe something was modified in Utopic causing that
[11:20] <Mamarok> s/sa/as/
[11:20] <kubotu> Mamarok meant: "it is a regression, as I was able to have the German layout in Trusty,  so maybe something was modified in Utopic causing that"
[11:25] <Mamarok> I wouldn't be astonished that the language issue with the konsole on multilingual installations is related
[11:26] <Mamarok> could this be a regression in xkb-data?
[11:29] <Sick_Rimmit> sgclark: Morning..
[11:34] <sgclark> mornig
[11:38] <Riddell> Mamarok: oh you using plasma 4 or 5?
[11:41] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iso_%28supermarket%29
[11:41] <shadeslayer> xD
[11:42] <apachelogger> oh oh oh
[11:42] <apachelogger> I get to do a duplicated post on planet ubuntu again
[11:42] <apachelogger> weeh
[11:42] <shadeslayer> ^^
[11:43] <shadeslayer> I'm going to get some lunch, ttyl
[11:45] <Mamarok> Riddell:  still 4, I don't think Plasma5 is anywhere near to a productive use
[11:45] <Mamarok> too many glitches, too many products not ported to kf5
[11:45] <Mamarok> and the compatibility sucks
[11:46] <Riddell> Mamarok: ah sorry I was assuming 5 for some reason, so it probably is a regression in something in ubuntu
[11:47] <Mamarok> so report it to launchpad, but against which product?
[11:48] <Riddell> xkb-data seems likely
[11:48] <Mamarok> ok, will do
[11:51] <Mamarok> now that is funny: bug 940924
[11:51] <Mamarok> bug #940924
[11:51] <bshah> heh
[11:52] <Mamarok> it did work for me on Trusty, though, so they made a fix and then did the regression again
[11:56] <Riddell> Mamarok: any idea if this suggestion works? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xkeyboard-config/+bug/940924/comments/9
[11:57] <Mamarok> let me check...
[12:01] <Mamarok> do I need to restart the system or just KDE?
[12:02] <Riddell> just kde I expect
[12:05] <Mamarok> yes! that did work, just adding that particular line makes Hermany show up again in the "Layout" list, but not if you try to use the first option in the KCM "Limit selection by language", so I guess there still is a glitch somewhere
[12:08] <Riddell> interesting...
[12:08] <Riddell> well I guess I can milestone it and try to upload the fix
[12:08] <Riddell> well done on tracking it down Mamarok 
[12:14] <Riddell> apachelogger, Mirv: adding those patches and compiling qtbase I get test failures in unrelated qdatetime http://paste.kde.org/p2wj0ti42
[12:16] <apachelogger> huh
[12:16] <apachelogger> Riddell: maybe it just doesn't like your system time? ^^
[12:16] <Mirv> Riddell: uh. try PPA? I have to say keeping qtbase tests enabled is not the easiest job, and sometimes one gets different results locally than on builders.
[12:17] <Mirv> I've a qtbase build done this week in a PPA that didn't show any new problems
[12:20] <Riddell> ScottK: bug 1335639 in trusty queue for sru consideration
[12:20] <apachelogger> oh oh
[12:20] <apachelogger> Riddell: did you actually upload scheduler sru btw?
[12:21]  * apachelogger ponders using trusty next week for validation purposes
[12:21] <Riddell> apachelogger: shadeslayer did  http://launchpadlibrarian.net/186821233/kubuntu-settings_1%3A14.04ubuntu15_1%3A14.04ubuntu15.1.diff.gz
[12:21] <Riddell> in https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/trusty/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text=
[12:22] <apachelogger> ah yes perfect
[12:39] <apachelogger> oh oh oh
[12:40] <apachelogger> Riddell: I found the app again that allows multiple apt caches to be  built... it's chdist xD
[12:56] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[12:58] <sgclark> hiyas
[13:41] <Riddell> awooga http://apachelog.wordpress.com/2014/10/17/plasma-5-weekly-iso-revisited/
[13:47]  * sgclark shares
[14:11] <Riddell> apachelogger: does the image use trusty or utopic?
[14:11] <shadeslayer> utopic IIRC
[14:12] <Riddell> apachelogger: what packages should we recommend people install? neon or kubuntu-ci?
[14:12] <Riddell> and what's the apt line for kubuntu-ci?
[14:12] <shadeslayer> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ci/+archive/ubuntu/unstable
[14:13] <Riddell> should that replace neon5 on https://community.kde.org/Plasma/Packages ?
[14:20] <sgclark> I am told sddm generates WARNING: /lib/systemd/system/sddm.service is the selected default display manager but does not exist﻿
[14:22] <apachelogger> Riddell: until utopic is out there is not much poin in telling people to use ci in apt :P
[14:25] <Riddell> gotcha
[14:26] <sgclark> what do I tell this user ^ ?
[14:27] <Riddell> sgclark: should be safe to ignore
[14:27] <Riddell> we don't use systemd
[14:27] <Riddell> apachelogger, Mirv: the patches change symbols? https://launchpadlibrarian.net/187570153/buildlog_ubuntu-utopic-amd64.qtbase-opensource-src_5.3.0%2Bdfsg-2ubuntu10~ppa1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[14:29] <sgclark> we don't? ok
[14:52] <sgclark> hmm well he is having the "black screen" issue.. 
[14:53] <Riddell> hmm, that one went away for me updating to the latest package
[14:53] <Riddell> sgclark: ask him to update to sddm 0.10.0 package
[14:53] <sgclark> This thread is on my share of the sio today
[14:53] <Riddell> sgclark: pardon?
[14:53] <sgclark> s/sio/iso/
[14:53] <kubotu> sgclark meant: "This thread is on my share of the iso today"
[14:54] <Riddell> I still don't understand
[14:55] <sgclark> http://apachelog.wordpress.com/2014/10/17/plasma-5-weekly-iso-revisited/
[14:56] <Riddell> no comments there
[14:58] <sgclark> gosh the post is on my g+ wall, I just gave him some suggestions that have worked for me
[14:59] <sgclark> who knows, maybe he has the crazy NVidia problem I have
[14:59] <sgclark> I had to completely remove the Ubuntu NVidia driver and install drivers from the NVidia site to get a functioning system
[15:03] <sgclark> Riddell: https://plus.google.com/115409429955408963270/posts/8aLfA7Sxi3J
[15:10] <Riddell> sgclark: answered with some bits
[15:16] <sgclark> thanks
[15:18] <genii> How do all the files in /lib/modules/<kernel-version>/    aside from "build" get created? Right now systemd-udevd on my 14.10 is groaning about not being able to open modules.builtin.bin   but I'm not sure what created it, since the linux-headers package doesn't contain any of it.
[15:22]  * genii goes and pokes around more
[15:23] <Riddell> sgclark: he replied and said " 
[15:23] <Riddell> I uninstalled lightdm and verified that sddm-theme-breeze is installed. The message I get is : /etc/rc2.d/S02sddm: 4:. : Can't open /lib/init/init-d-script﻿"
[15:24] <Riddell> which is weird, since that rc2.d script shouldn't get run if he's using upstart
[15:24] <sgclark> hmm that is not good
[15:29] <soee> hiho
[15:29] <soee> good news, i just tried sddm again and it worked 
[15:31] <sgclark> hello, great
[15:31] <sgclark> yeah it works great for me with the upstream nvidia driver
[15:32] <sgclark> ubuntu nvidia driver not so much
[15:32] <soee> sgclark: it worked for you before ?
[15:33] <sgclark> not with the nvidia driver from driver-manager no.
[15:34] <soee> ups sorry, i see now that im on intel profiel not nvidia
[15:34] <soee> ill try to switch to nvidia and see if sddm still works
[15:38] <soee> hmm if i change profiel in Nvidia Settings is says i have to logout to get it applied, if i logout i have only black screen, if i than reboot i have intel profile again not nvidia
[15:38] <soee> so it seems its not working with nvidia
[15:41] <soee> back on lightdm
[15:42] <soee> sddm does not work for me with nvdia
[15:42] <soee> ;]
[15:50] <shadeslayer> soee_: file a bug
[16:06] <Riddell> yay, gtkbreeze uploaded which sets gtk theme, another nice little addition to plasma5 images
[16:10] <soee_> shadeslayer: i posted few days ago comment under exuisting but related to nvidia-prime
[16:11] <soee_> *existing bug
[16:11] <sgclark> soee_ not work with nvidia?
[16:11] <soee_> i think its nvidia-prime problem here 
[16:11] <soee_> sgclark: nope
[16:12] <sgclark> correct shadeslayer: I reported this bug some time ago: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-prime/+bug/1377321
[16:13] <soee_> sgclark: not sure how it works with single nvidia card, but on my laptop with optimus technology it works only when im on intel profile
[16:13] <soee_> laso im on latest xorg edgers ppa drivers = 343
[16:13] <sgclark> and nvidia-prime pulls in a ton of unity-gnome crap and leaves you with unity-greeter that cannot start the session
[16:13] <soee_> ah yes so i did not post a comment but only added myself as affected
[16:14] <soee_> sgclark: nope, i have nothing related to unity
[16:14] <sgclark> soee_: I gave up with the ubuntu nvidia drivers, all the dpends had my system all confused. and it horrible.
[16:14] <sgclark> ran horrible
[16:15] <soee_> ;]
[16:15] <soee_> so you are using direct from nvidia ?
[16:15] <sgclark> so I uninstalled all of it and ran the nvidia script and sddm runs happy as a lark and my system runs beautifully
[16:15] <soee_> interesting
[16:16] <sgclark> but not really an option for your day to day user...
[16:16] <sgclark> so getting it properly working is a better solution
[16:17] <soee_> maybe is houdl post new bug
[16:25] <Riddell> Mamarok: hmm I do get a German layout as an option when trying to add layouts in plasma5
[16:25] <Riddell> Mamarok: but in limit to country it doesn't list germany only germany (switzerland)
[16:27] <Mamarok> Riddell: well, the layout is there, but what is more than strange is the impossibility to limit by language, German doesn't show up, only German, Swiss, and that layout is totally different
[16:27] <Mamarok> and that is just plain wrong, as there is no German, Swiss "language", ther only is a different keyboard layout
[16:28] <Riddell> Mamarok: so what does adding that change to the de file make different?
[16:29] <Riddell> this one https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xkeyboard-config/+bug/940924/comments/9
[16:29] <Mamarok> for me the layout was missing, too
[16:29] <Mamarok> it was there in Trusty, and gone in Utopic
[22:21] <apparle> Guys I want to contribute to some development in Kubuntu, any small project or something I can get started with...?
[22:27] <sgclark> apparle: I am sure there are several things that you could help with :) unfortunately most are in european time and it is getting rather late on a Friday, so keep hanging out in here and I am sure we can work out things for you to do. Thanks!
[22:28] <apparle> ohk cool :)
[22:39] <valorie> apparle: what are you interested in doing?
[22:39] <valorie> packaging, documentation, other?
[22:40] <valorie> also, good to read the links in the /topic
[22:40] <valorie> have you upgraded or installed utopic yet?
[22:40] <valorie> upgraded to
[22:40] <apparle> I'm pretty much a noob I guess
[22:41] <valorie> we all start new
[22:41] <valorie> but what interests you?
[22:41] <apparle> had started working on KDE summer of code long long time back, but couldn't continue due to some personal problems
[22:41] <valorie> so you do have some intensive knowledge
[22:41] <apparle> and then was away from linux and kubuntu itself for roughly 3-4 years
[22:41] <valorie> it takes quite a bit to be accepted
[22:42] <apparle> no I don't think so
[22:42] <valorie> just curious: GSoC for KDE, or Season of KDE?
[22:42] <apparle> no no not GSoC
[22:42] <apparle> I agree... that's a big shot :D
[22:42] <apparle> season of KDE
[22:43] <valorie> GSoc is sponsored by Google
[22:43] <valorie> SoK is just KDE
[22:43] <valorie> we're just kicking off a new SoK right now, actually
[22:43] <valorie> now through the end of Jan.
[22:43] <apparle> ohh cool
[22:43] <valorie> anyway, back on point: what do you see yourself doing in Kubuntu?
[22:44] <apparle> btw, just out of curiosity, how time intensive is it typically... I'm also Graduate student doing my Masters 
[22:44] <valorie> it's quite an exciting time here
[22:44] <valorie> that all depends on what you want to do, and how much time you have
[22:45] <apparle> I thought I might start with some basic bug fixing etc. though I don't know if that's a good place to start, since it requires knowledge of the existing stuff
[22:45] <valorie> how about testing?
[22:45] <apparle> sure, why not 
[22:46] <valorie> our supposedly final images are out, with release coming soon
[22:46] <valorie> have you kept up on what's happening in Kubuntu, with our CI and so forth?
[22:47] <apparle> no not really... installed Kubuntu about a month ago
[22:47] <valorie> ok
[22:47] <valorie> so KDE is also making big changes, starting by splitting kdelibs into the Frameworks
[22:47] <apparle> I was just keeping up with news like Nokia and Qt, but not release-by-release news
[22:48] <apparle> ok... go on
[22:51] <valorie> that work is largely done, although of course each library is being improved as time goes along
[22:51] <valorie> and there is now Plasma 5, based on those new frameworks
[22:51] <valorie> that is nearly done, and 5.1 was released two days ago
[22:51] <valorie> lots of excitement around that, because it looks and works really elegant
[22:51] <valorie> smooth and modern
[22:51] <valorie> still some stuff missing of course
[22:51] <valorie> finally, applications will be ported as well
[22:51] <valorie> some are done, some remain
[22:51] <valorie> so our upstream is up to lots of new wonderful stuff, including using CI too
[22:51] <valorie> we're following along and doing that with our packages - see #kubuntu-ci for the reports as they are generated
[22:52] <apparle> what's CI ?
[22:53] <valorie> the final bit is that we're putting our new packaging in the Debian git, so we can share packaging with them when possible
[22:53] <valorie> this should give all of us debian and kubuntu packagers more time to improve quality more, while spending less time on repetitive tasks
[22:53] <valorie> continuous integration with automated testing
[22:54] <apparle> ohk, is there some documents I can read up, to get started
[22:54] <valorie> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuous_integration
[22:54] <valorie> well, get started with what, is the question?
[22:55] <valorie> what are you interested in
[22:56] <apparle> :D I'm not sure
[22:56] <apparle> anyway, I've got to run right now... I'll be back in few hours, you'll be around
[22:56] <apparle> ?
[22:56] <valorie> if you want to do testing, here are some links: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/325/builds/82050/testcases
[22:57] <valorie> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/325/builds/82052/testcases
[22:57] <valorie> yes, I'll be around for quite awhile
[22:57] <apparle> ok testing is one option, what are other options... since you are giving me a choice 
[22:57] <valorie> I suggest reading some of kdeplanet
[22:58] <valorie> esp. our kubuntu stuff, and look at recent news on kubuntu.org
[22:58] <valorie> see what catches your interest
[22:58] <valorie> and we can start from there
[22:58] <apparle> ok, sounds good, I'll be back after some time
[22:59] <apparle> btw, a side question, do you know if some API or something reports if a sound is playing
[22:59] <apparle> dbus interface to pulseaudio or phonon?
[23:01] <apparle> I get irritated by the fact that system sleeps even when music is playing through some music streaming website, and I thought maybe I'll script it up somehow.
[23:01] <valorie> PA reports it, kmix reports it
[23:01] <valorie> so you want it not to sleep if there is sound?
[23:02] <valorie> your question might better be answered in #kde-multimedia though
[23:02] <valorie> where the experts live
[23:02] <apparle> yes... that should be the behaviour in a typical system right
[23:02] <apparle> if music is playing, or I'm playing a movie on youtube, the system should not go to sleep
[23:03] <apparle> actually small small things like this, that's what made me think, let me contribute to the project
[23:04] <apparle> but 3 years, and I'm just amazed at the awesomeness which KDE and Kubuntu have reached.
[23:04] <apparle> 95% of the things just work out of the box, as compared to how things were, back in 2010-11
[23:07] <valorie> apparle: there might be a setting somewhere to inhibit that
[23:08] <valorie> not sure
[23:09] <apparle> It seems Amarok and VLC do that on their own. There is a bug on clementine player which I use. But this should be something system wide, implemented at Pulseaudio level I think
[23:10] <valorie> then #pulseaudio might be the chan for ya
[23:10] <valorie> or both....
[23:10] <valorie> the thing is, PA is used by many linux systems, not just KDE
[23:10] <valorie> so dunno if "system wide" setting like that will work
[23:10] <valorie> Coling will know
[23:11] <apparle> I think I'll have to detect that sound is playing for maybe more than 5sec to conclude that it's not a system sound but a multimedia playback and put it under a script in sleep.d 
[23:12] <apparle> /etc/pm/sleep.d
[23:12] <apparle> that should be generic enough to work KDE or non KDE
[23:14] <apparle> We'll discuss this after I'm back. Bye for now.
[23:14] <valorie> like I said, take it up with the experts
[23:14] <valorie> and look at bugs.kde.org and see if others have reported the same thing
[23:15] <valorie> bye