[05:22] <share> hello?
[07:19]  * willcooke -> packing
[07:20] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[07:20] <seb128> willcooke, good luck with that!
[07:20] <willcooke> seb128, :?
[07:20] <willcooke> seb128, :/
[07:20] <seb128> when is your flight?
[07:21] <willcooke> erm,
[07:21] <willcooke> I'm leaving here at 1pm
[07:21] <willcooke> so I've got enough time
[07:21] <willcooke> as long as I dont have to do washing first
[07:22] <seb128> yeah, a bit late for that!
[07:22] <desrt> pitti: the more containers talks i go to the more i become convinced that we made some sort of mistake by not having a microkernel...
[07:22] <willcooke> have you been drinking desrt ?
[07:22] <willcooke> ;)
[07:23] <desrt> willcooke: there are a whole class of kernel problems that for years have been considered 'not really a problem' since they require root in order to do things
[07:23] <desrt> but now you have root in your container for purposes of that container, and are able to exploit this whole class of bugs
[07:23] <desrt> things like filesystem driver bugs
[07:24] <desrt> "only root can mount filesystems, so intentionally corrupted filesystems are not a security concern"
[07:25] <willcooke> hmm
[07:25] <willcooke> I see the issue
[07:28] <Noskcaj> Can someone plz look at https://code.launchpad.net/~noskcaj/libgweather/bugfix/+merge/238660
[07:29] <pitti> hey seb128
[07:29] <seb128> hey pitti, wie gehts?
[07:30] <seb128> Noskcaj, what about the first half of the patch, why is it not upstream?
[07:30] <pitti> seb128: gut, danke! I'm in the LXC track right now, and will go back to the systemd hacking in the afternoon
[07:30] <seb128> nice
[07:31] <seb128> pitti, when do you fly to washington?
[07:34] <Noskcaj> seb128, It is, sorry i worded it porrly
[07:34] <pitti> seb128: Sunday noon, 11:40 to 15:15
[07:34] <Noskcaj> *poorly
[07:34] <pitti> seb128: with desrt
[07:34] <seb128> pitti, k
[07:34] <seb128> Noskcaj, I don't understand the "second half" part then
[07:34] <pitti> seb128: but you are most likely on a different flight?
[07:34] <seb128> pitti, yeah, I'm flying on saturday
[07:36] <Noskcaj> We have https://git.gnome.org/browse/libgweather/commit/?h=gnome-3-12&id=89de9f95660f2fcdaf8ffc4ebe3c7c192d42f464 , but still need https://git.gnome.org/browse/libgweather/commit/?h=gnome-3-12&id=6fed603e51538c10ebdbbbda857e94b352169056
[07:37] <seb128> Noskcaj, does it mean the sru which was done is incomplete/not working?
[07:38] <Noskcaj> yeah
[07:38] <Noskcaj> I'll make a branch for it when this is in utopic
[07:39] <seb128> k
[07:44] <seb128> Noskcaj, can you reply to my comment on the merge request?
[07:49] <seb128> Noskcaj, ?
[08:04] <seb128> Noskcaj, ...
[08:06] <Laney> hey hey, happy friday!
[08:08] <seb128> hey Laney, happy friday:
[08:08] <seb128> !
[08:08] <seb128> how are you?
[08:08] <seb128> Sweetsha1k, hey, could you review https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/1342175 ?
[08:11] <Laney> oh no, debian-vote
[08:15] <pitti> Laney: :( just got aware of that too
[08:20] <darkxst> pitti, Laney, gnome-terminal can probably go straight to 3.14, the only problem is the alternate screen scroll patch, but I don't see how that is currently working in 3.12, vte_terminal_set_alternate_screen_scroll is just a stub
[08:21] <Laney> we dropped that one
[08:23] <darkxst> Laney, its still in the packaging branch
[08:28] <Laney> oh yes that's just the UI
[08:28] <seb128> Laney, what are they voting on?
[08:36] <seb128> willcooke, thanks for the note about the calendar/meetings
[08:36] <Sweetshark> seb128: already on my todo list
[08:37] <seb128> Sweetshark, hey, happy friday! great
[08:37] <willcooke> seb128, nw - I might be about to invite you to some more I'm afraid
[08:38] <seb128> willcooke, sure, np, can you get me to "desktop" on monday afternoon?
[08:38] <Sweetshark> seb128: happy friday to you too! ;) -- upstream has tagged LibreOffice 4.2.7.2 this week, so we should be able to SRU both in one turn ...
[08:38] <willcooke> seb128,  that's the fella :)
[08:38] <seb128> Sweetshark, great
[08:38] <seb128> willcooke, ;-)
[08:39] <seb128> willcooke, there is also a "desktop convergence" on tuesday
[08:39] <seb128> willcooke, I guess I'm just going to come sit and listen in some of the sessions anyway
[08:39] <seb128> just to know what's going on
[08:45] <seb128> Laney, could you look at gtk in the utopic queue?
[08:45] <Laney> I look at everything in the queue regularly :-)
[08:45] <Laney> but fixing eds first
[08:46] <Laney> damn those poodles
[08:46] <Laney> also: https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2014/10/msg00001.html
[08:46] <seb128> Laney, well, gtk is a one liner and I wanted to maybe have it ready for willcooke before he takes off for the airport, but alright
[08:47] <Laney> I'll just be 5 minutes
[08:47] <seb128> thanks
[08:47] <seb128> more init system fun
[08:47] <seb128> "nice"
[08:51] <willcooke> Laney, seb128 don't worry, my U8 laptop is packed now
[08:51] <willcooke> :)
[08:52] <seb128> willcooke, k, well I still would like the Mir backend to be working in utopic, and I would like the update to be available over the w.e if we want to do a demo on monday or something
[08:52] <seb128> so if that can go in today still a good thing to have
[08:52] <willcooke> that would be awesome!
[08:52] <willcooke> but don't rush on my account
[08:53] <seb128> well, I don't, I uploaded
[08:53] <seb128> I just used your name to get a bumped priority for review :p
[08:53] <seb128> or tried
[08:53] <seb128> you just ruined that ;-)
[08:54] <Laney> naughty
[08:54] <Laney> I think we've provided reasonable service this freeze
[08:54] <seb128> see, now Laney is downscoring me for trying to play with the system!
[08:54] <seb128> yeah, I can't complain
[08:55] <seb128> I more pinged as a fyi in case you didn't plan to do a review shift this morning, not because it has been waiting long
[08:55] <Laney> sure
[09:04] <darkxst> Laney, no the ui was already dropped
[09:05] <Laney> what do you mean already?
[09:06] <darkxst> 51_alternate_screen_scroll.patch
[09:06] <darkxst> adds a gsettings key and calls a vte function that is a stub in 4.12 and removed in 3.14
[09:06] <darkxst> ^3.12 even
[09:07] <Laney> 'already' meaning in the vcs
[09:07] <Laney> I'm not sure what your point is
[09:07] <Laney> we obviously have to stop using that API and do the upstream thing, but I'm not sure how you call that atm
[09:07] <darkxst> Laney, vcs is based on 3.12 right?
[09:07] <Laney> yes
[09:07] <darkxst> so that patch does nothing
[09:08] <Laney> so it has to be fixed, what's your point?
[09:08] <Laney> it is staged, not uploaded, nobody said it was finished
[09:08] <darkxst> Laney, as I said, can go straight to 3.14, but either way that needs to be fixed
[09:09] <Laney> are you offering to do it?
[09:10] <darkxst> I already have a 3.14 package, but I don't know how to fix that patch
[09:11] <Laney> they added a control sequence but I'm not sure how you're supposed to make use of it
[09:11] <Laney> you could go ask
[09:11] <Laney> I'm not hugely interested in supporting the feature
[09:11] <darkxst> yes I saw that
[09:14] <darkxst> I could ask but upstream are pretty grumpy with ubuntu
[09:16] <pitti> Sweetshark: hm, does that "free(): invalid pointer" crash in the LO test ring a bell?
[09:16] <larsu> darkxst: it's getting better. What's the problem?
[09:18] <darkxst> larsu, how to send the control sequencence that does the equivalent to vte_terminal_set_alternate_screen_scroll (which is removed)
[09:18] <Laney> I think it's only chpe and the others are fine to be fair
[09:19] <larsu> darkxst: what's alternate screen scroll? And why do we need it but upstream doesn't?
[09:19] <larsu> Laney: right
[09:21] <darkxst> Laney, yeh chpe is
[09:21] <darkxst> larsu, it modifies the scroll wheel behaviour for certain shell apps I think, no I idea why we need it really though
[09:22] <GunnarHj> Hi Laney!
[09:22] <darkxst> I would be happy to just drop it
[09:22] <larsu> darkxst: if we don't know why we need it, let's drop it until someone complains with a use case...
[09:22] <larsu> Laney: are you ok with that? ^
[09:24] <Laney> If you read the bugs you find that people like to set it
[09:24] <Laney> I don't understand why they took the escape sequence and what you're supposed to do with it and I would like to find that out
[09:25] <GunnarHj> Laney: Does "NotShowIn=GNOME" refer to Ubuntu GNOME only, or is Xubuntu, Lubuntu etc. included?
[09:27] <darkxst> GunnarHj, GNOME is only GNOME3 sessions
[09:27] <GunnarHj> darkxst: So the answer is yes?
[09:28] <darkxst> yes, so basically just gnome-shelll
[09:28] <Sweetshark> pitti: /me tries to get context from backlog
[09:28] <GunnarHj> darkxst: Great, thanks!
[09:29] <Sweetshark> pitti: so "free(): invalid pointer" doesnt ring a bell right away here.
[09:31] <pitti> Sweetshark: the LO tests, i. e. https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/utopic-adt-libreoffice/336/ARCH=amd64,label=adt/console
[09:36] <Sweetshark> pitti: ah! so I dont think that is a regression. The forms_* tests are unfortunately not 100% stable, just mostly stable (IIRC e.g. debian disables them in when they run them in check on package build).
[09:37] <GunnarHj> pitti: Hi Martin!
[09:37] <GunnarHj> pitti: Two things:
[09:37] <GunnarHj> pitti: Do you have two minutes to review comment #17-21 at bug #678421?
[09:37] <GunnarHj> pitti: Are you about to release new base langpacks?
[09:37] <Sweetshark> pitti: I left them in on the autopkgtests to see if there are any other issues there. On autopkgtests they dont block as much as in a check-phase in package build (which would throw away a day of libreoffice building).
[09:49] <seb128> ok, need to go for some errands and lunch
[09:49] <seb128> back a bit later than usual
[09:49] <seb128> bbl
[11:31] <pitti> Sweetshark: ack, retrying
[14:03] <seb128> kenvandine, hey
[14:03] <kenvandine> hey seb128
[14:03] <seb128> kenvandine, do you know what's the status/plan for settings landing?
[14:03] <seb128> seems like we have a bunch lines and other important fixes not lined up yet
[14:04] <seb128> like ted has one for the messaging changes
[14:04] <seb128> you have one for the flight mode in rtm
[14:04] <kenvandine> waiting for the landings to open up again
[14:04] <seb128> the custom ringtone needs to land, as apparently do some others
[14:04] <seb128> you can do utopic landings
[14:04] <seb128> just not rtm
[14:04] <kenvandine> yeah, but i'm worried about landing in utopic first :)
[14:04] <kenvandine> been bitten to many times
[14:05] <seb128> ?
[14:05] <kenvandine> seb128, and the critical/high landings we need, are really needed in rtm
[14:05] <kenvandine> the delta
[14:05] <tedg> seb128, Do you know anyone using Evo? Getting an issue with GPG signed messages.
[14:06] <seb128> well, just do a landing with the rcs
[14:06] <kenvandine> landings in utopic go faster than rtm
[14:06] <kenvandine> so if we get a few landings in utopic
[14:06] <seb128> tedg, what issue? ogra_ does, Laney has it installed (so do I)
[14:06] <tedg> seb128, Also when sending the GPG signature area is full of debug messages.
[14:06] <kenvandine> and then we get held up in rtm, fails qa, etc
[14:06] <kenvandine> it's really hard to unwind stuff and get them in sync again
[14:06] <tedg> seb128, I'm curious if I'm missing a component as I don't have GPG settings in preferences anymore either.
[14:06] <seb128> kenvandine, just put "qa not needed" ;-)
[14:06] <kenvandine> ha
[14:06] <seb128> tedg, let me try
[14:09] <seb128> tedg, what sort of issues do you have reading gpg signed emails?
[14:09] <seb128> I get the banner "signature exists but require a public key"
[14:10] <tedg> seb128, They never open. When I select another message it gets replaced with: "Error verifying signature: Operation was cancelled"
[14:10] <seb128> or "signature valide, but impossible to verify sender"
[14:10] <seb128> urg
[14:10] <seb128> no, that works for me
[14:10] <tedg> seb128, Do you have encryption settings in your preferences?
[14:10] <seb128> trying on ubuntu-devel e.g with some emails from slangasek or pitti
[14:11] <pitti> seb128: are you sure that they are from me? :-)
[14:11] <seb128> pitti, :-)
[14:11] <pitti> damn you gpg and your undeniable signatures
[14:12] <tedg> seb128, Which evolution packages do you have installed? http://paste.ubuntu.com/8579320/
[14:12] <seb128> tedg, utopic
[14:12] <seb128> tedg, the settings are in the accounts' details
[14:12] <seb128> like first tab of preference
[14:12] <seb128> double click on an account
[14:12] <seb128> bottom section
[14:12] <seb128> "security"
[14:13] <tedg> Ah, so those just moved.
[14:23] <GunnarHj> pitti: ping?
[14:24] <pitti> GunnarHj: sorry, need to run, I have a train to catch
[14:25] <pitti> GunnarHj: conference, attention etc. -- can you please mail?
[14:25] <GunnarHj> pitti: Sure, I can mail. Happy journey!
[14:54] <ogra_> tedg, no issies here
[14:54] <ogra_> *issues
[14:55] <tedg> Hmm, it must be something else installed or not installed.
[14:55] <tedg> Haven't been able to figure it out :-(
[16:35]  * Laney is taking off now
[16:36] <Laney> see some of you soon
[16:41] <seb128> Laney, have a safe travel, see you in Washington!
[16:41] <Laney> you too!
[16:45] <seb128> Laney, when do you get there? sunday?
[17:30] <ogra_> Laney, dont forget to carry a clipboard with you ... i heard that protects from certain deseases
[19:55] <Laney> seb128: yeah sunday 8.30pm ish
[19:55] <Laney> save me a welcome drink ;-)