[02:13] nexus 9??? [02:13] support [02:14] the Nexus 9 hasn't shipped yet, how would we have support for it? [02:14] i mean will it get ubuntu touch [02:15] i expect we'll find out... when it's shipped and Touch developers have one === salem_ is now known as _salem === Stskeepz is now known as Stskeeps === Guest99312 is now known as steev [05:23] hello [05:27] good morning [08:00] oSoMoN, hey :-) [08:01] rpadovani, hey [08:03] oSoMoN, so, seems playing with inverseMouseArea has some strange consequences, so I think we have two choice right now: remove the inverse mouse area, merge the branch and mark bug 1381723 as affecting the browser too [08:03] bug 1381723 in messaging-app (Ubuntu) "[ListItemWithActions]After the swipe of an element I expect to press anywhere to dismiss" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1381723 [08:04] or waiting that someone (maybe I) fix bug 1381723, but I don't have an eta on this [08:05] rpadovani, let’s go for the first option (although at the moment landings are blocked anyway, so there is no rush) [08:07] oSoMoN, gotcha, thanks! [08:46] Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Mulligan Day! :-D === vrruiz_ is now known as rvr [09:07] what component is displaying the "<...> wants to access your location" dialogs? [09:10] Hi [09:13] seb128, trusted-store ... tvoss' baby [09:13] ogra_, thanks [09:16] mpt, https://launchpadlibrarian.net/182217342/camera.png ... should the buttons order be reversed? ("allow" which is the positive action on top)? [09:26] ogra_: hi ho [09:27] tsdgeos, hey [09:27] ogra_: so dednick has a better fix for that edges problem [09:27] ogra_: do we want to test the better fix? or just land the better fix in trunk and take current for rtm? [09:28] or? [09:30] tsdgeos, we are already building an image with the fix (and QA signed it off) ... i guess we can improve later still [09:31] (and Saviq is on a plane afaik) [09:31] yes, he just went on board [09:31] ogra_: ok, let's do that then [09:32] ogra_: question from the ignorance, how do you build an image if the thing hasn't landed? you distropatch it? [09:33] it has landed, Saviq prepared a silo for it tonight [09:33] Qa signed this off and we released it into rtm this morning [09:34] ogra_: https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/edgedemo-update-indicators/+merge/238637 ? [09:34] dednick, right [09:34] ogra_: i don't see it in https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/rtm-14.09 [09:35] yeah, i dont see it anywhere... :/ [09:36] hmm, better wait for sil2100 to show up ... no idea about that [09:36] ah, well [09:36] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/citrain_dashboard/#?distro=ubuntu-rtm&q= [09:37] nobody did merge and clean on silo 005 yet :) [09:37] ok [09:37] Mirv, any idea whats the process here ? i think sil2100 usually likes to keep the silos areound for a while for reverse inspection if needed [09:38] (though this change looks small enough that we could just clean i think) [09:38] seb128, yes, when buttons don’t fit horizontally, the positive action should be on top [09:38] tsdgeos, dednick i assume it blocks your work today ? [09:38] seb128, also the negative one should be “Don’t Allow” rather than “Deny” :-) [09:38] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AccountPrivileges#Phone [09:39] seb128, and I guess the reason you’re there is that you’re fixing the body text? [09:39] ogra_: no, it's fine. my patch is just an improvement. [09:39] dednick, might make sense to have a landing for it ready :) [09:46] ogra_: usually silos are simply cleaned quickly, and the only possible holdup is when it's wanted to finish the sync to utopic/rtm counterpart before cleaning up. but now utopic is in Final Freeze. [09:47] Mirv, right, then i think we can just merge and clean so the trunk is up to date again [09:47] ogra_: yes. plus, unity8 has rtm branch even. [09:47] right [09:47] mpt, thanks, and no, the reason is that I'm annoyed by the order, I expect to have "allow" on top and it feels wrong every time I've to use that dialog ;-) [09:47] tsdgeos: now in rtm trunk [09:48] mpt, I can submit a fix for the label while I'm at it, thanks [09:48] Mirv: ok [09:49] seb128, bug 1352960 (see also bug 1353333 and bug 1354376) [09:49] bug 1352960 in trust-store "trust-store's default prompt should implement design guidelines" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1352960 [09:49] bug 1353333 in trust-store "MirAgent should resolve App ID to human legible strings" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1353333 [09:50] bug 1354376 in trust-store "Dialog Popup title overflows bounds." [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1354376 [09:50] mpt, thanks [09:52] seb128, actually, looks like 1353333 is already fixed, see bug 1367707 [09:52] bug 1367707 in trust-store (Ubuntu) "poor text in prompt to user" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1367707 [09:54] Because it’s a “should”-style bug report, it’s hard to tell whether it’s a duplicate === renato is now known as Guest37257 [11:39] Trying to install on my Nexus 5 using tasemnice.eu server. I get to recovery on my phone (with the Ubuntu logo) and ubuntu-device-flash script says "Failed to enter recovery", and the script stops. [11:39] Anyone know what's up? === boiko__ is now known as boiko === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [11:56] hmm, i tried setting my ringtone as per james henstridge's suggestion at http://askubuntu.com/questions/372759/ringtones-in-ubuntu-touch [11:57] seems the gsettings fu no longer works, anyone know if it's a different key or how I can do it without making my phone RW? === _salem is now known as salem_ [12:27] popey: the gsettings should work, that's still the appropriate key [12:30] cwayne: maybe i need to reboot.. [12:34] cwayne: reboot didn't do it ☹ [12:36] popey, cwayne, gsettings had an issue with wrongly used quotes wwhen programmatically setting keys ... not sure if that also might hit the custom tarball (or if it is fixed already) [12:36] i am not using any quotes [12:36] ogra_: custom tarball works fine :) [12:36] gsettings set com.ubuntu.touch.sound incoming-call-sound /path/to/ringtone.ogg [12:36] doing that [12:37] seb128, do you remember if that was fixed already ? [12:37] (teh original issue is about en/disabling notifications from system-settings) [12:38] $ gsettings get com.ubuntu.touch.sound incoming-call-sound [12:38] '/home/phablet/Ringtones/nokia_7.ogg' [12:38] $ gsettings get com.ubuntu.touch.sound incoming-message-sound [12:39] '/home/phablet/Ringtones/OOT_Navi_Hey_listen.ogg' [12:39] looks like they are set correctly [12:39] files are owned by phablet, 666 [12:44] no [12:44] Ringtone and message sounds are stored in AS [12:45] (what is AS)? [12:46] gdbus call --system --dest org.freedesktop.Accounts --object-path /org/freedeskto/Accounts/User32011 --method org.freedesktop.DBus.Properties.Set com.ubuntu.touch.AccountsService.Sound IncomingCallSound <"/blah"> [12:46] accountsservice [12:46] I typed that manually so there might be typos :-) [12:46] for example freedeskto → freedesktop [12:48] ok, thanks! [12:49] hi [12:51] i have samsung S2 and i want to install ubuntu touch on it i have tryed the step on the web but not able pass through [12:51] can any on help me on that === dandrader is now known as dandrader|afk === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow === dandrader|afk is now known as dandrader [13:33] Hi, did anyone encountered a "ubuntu-rtm-proposed v96" unity8/media-hub bug ? [13:34] ogra_, what Laney said [13:34] seb128, ah, ok [13:51] bzoltan, Do you know the status of bug 1242666 ? [13:51] bug 1242666 in ubuntu-ui-toolkit (Ubuntu) "Standalone labels as an element distinct from group headers" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1242666 [13:58] tedg: that's a weird bug [13:59] we have a Label component... I don't see what's missing? [13:59] checkboxes and switches don't have text, so the apps must have added a Label to them. [14:00] t1mp, The idea is to have a ListItem type that is only used for a label. Like header, but not bold and shifted. [14:00] t1mp, Currently if you use one of those without a widget you can click on it and other things that make it feel odd. [14:02] tedg: the "about this phone" screenshots in https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/document/d/1sZYJLmEtvuD7G8TJ4HYeSF-7oMvjNGmGxdVRPcygQWs/edit are they the designs, or actual screenshots? [14:03] t1mp, designs [14:04] t1mp, Actual screenshots have the "Legal" all the same color and you can't see any differentiation. [14:07] tedg: we have the ListItem.Header [14:08] tedg: it seems to me that's what you want, except perhaps the visuals need an update [14:08] t1mp, Yes, and that's basically what we're looking for. But not a header. Just with more "label like" visuals. [14:08] t1mp, It's kinda a semantic distinction on what we're trying to express. [14:10] tedg: to me it looks like we only need to update the font-weight and color if the ListItem.Header? [14:12] kgunn: hey Kevin; apparently trust prompts appear broken on mako; is that a known issue? [14:13] dbarth: i was seeing pople complain about things broken on mako overnight....debugged down to hybris/mediahub [14:13] not sure if it's related [14:13] i just downgraded MH [14:13] so maybe i need to downgrade hybris too [14:14] t1mp, Visually yes, but I'm not sure header is not used elsewhere where it's expected to be shifted and bold. mpt, thoughts? [14:15] tedg, I have used headers on one screen: the top level “Security & Privacy” screen, because it’s so long. [14:15] (where by “used” I mean “design imagining that they will be implemented as”. ;-) [14:16] mpt, Hmm, well, the developer didn't use them :-) [14:16] tedg, everywhere else I’m just using labels, for the reasons I described in bug 1242666 [14:16] bug 1242666 in ubuntu-ui-toolkit (Ubuntu) "Standalone labels as an element distinct from group headers" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1242666 [14:16] Headers are no longer shifted [14:17] mpt: so those headers need to look different from intro labels? [14:17] And I would expect labels outside of list items to be aligned with labels inside list items, as shown in for example. [14:17] There “Bluetooth” is in a list item, “Not discoverable” is not [14:18] mpt: why is "not discoverable" not a list item? [14:18] maybe we are just not using the same terminology [14:18] mpt: what is visually the difference between a Header and an intro label? The font weight only? [14:18] t1mp, ideally, yes [14:19] okay [14:19] mpt: is the Header used only in one place? Perhaps if there we could use an intro label instead, all we need to do in the toolkit is change the font-weight of the current ListItem.Header [14:19] Oh, I found another place where I used Headers [14:19] And this is a clearer example too [14:20] [14:20] There, “Charge level” and “Ways to reduce battery use” are headers [14:20] “Last full charge” is not a header, and it’s not a list item either [14:21] “Accurate location detection requires…” is a caption also not part of the list [14:21] mpt: I'd say the "Charge level" is part of a custom list item that shows the graph [14:22] mpt, ted, t1mp: interesting, because "Charge level" has a value, and headers don't support that afaik... [14:22] t1mp, but if you do that, it becomes much harder to fix the problem that there’s no visual distinction between things that are tappable and things that are not [14:23] mpt: perhaps we (you, the developers of the app, and someone from the UITK team) should sit together early next week [14:24] mpt: list items have a property "highlightWhenPressed" to prevent showing the highlight when the user presses them, maybe that already solves the problem [14:24] t1mp, that’s 10% of it, but the other 90% is before you even tap it :-) [14:27] t1mp, toggling that doesn't disable haptic feedback though [14:27] t1mp, so you still get click feedback [14:27] mpt: okay, I don't think we'll solve this today but we can clear stuff up early next week [14:27] seb128: hmm, that sounds like a bug to me [14:28] seb128: I cannot think of a use case where you do not want the visual feedback, but you want haptic feedback [14:28] t1mp, well, that's how the toolkit behave atm, could be a bug indeed [14:28] t1mp, I’d like a session on that. Can you arrange one with seb128? [14:29] +1 [14:29] okay, I like to involve zsombi also. He is working on new list items and perhaps he has it solved already [14:30] t1mp, seb128: For the haptic problem see also bug 1267592, which is Incomplete everywhere [14:30] bug 1267592 in Ubuntu UX "[sdk] Vibrate should happen on long-press, not normal activation" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1267592 [14:31] mpt: it is a separate bug, but it makes sense to check all the components to see if the haptic feedback is consistent [14:32] where can I find a list of devices that ubuntu has been ported to? I have a Samsung Galaxy S II that I'm not using [14:32] That bug report is a casualty of “should”-ness [14:32] !devices | chowder [14:32] chowder: You can find the full list of devices, official images, community images, and works in progress at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices [14:33] seb128: I'm not getting haptic feedback on a basic list item at all [14:33] seb128: I'm testing with "Ubuntu UI Toolkit Gallery" (from Ubuntu Store, by zoltan) in the List Items section [14:34] t1mp, that’s what I observed in 1267592 as well [14:35] t1mp, do you know where the source to that is? [14:35] Haptic feedback for checkboxes and switches, but not list items and most other things [14:35] mpt: yes, bzr branch lp:ubuntu-ui-toolkit and then in examples/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gallery/ [14:36] err [14:36] seb128: ^ [14:36] t1mp, do you get some for "singlevalue" items? [14:36] * seb128 installs [14:36] right, ok [14:36] those have it [14:36] seb128: yes, I get feedback for the singlevalue items on release :s [14:37] that's odd [14:38] ^ very inconsistent :( [14:40] Cimi, added my work-items [14:40] MacSlow, thanks :) [14:40] I'm unable to install the updates on ubuntu touch [14:40] for several weeks the listed updates will only show 'installing' [14:41] but progress bar never begins and the packages don't install [14:41] can someone tell me how to fix this? [14:41] chrisdep_: you could try to flash the device again from your computer [14:42] I've tried exporting my contact info in the past but found there is no easy way to do it [14:42] i would rather avoid reflashing but will do it if necessary [14:42] :/ [14:42] I think you can reflash without wiping your homedir [14:43] really? [14:43] i will reflash later today then [14:43] if you use ubuntu-device-flash without the --wipe it should keep your data [14:43] I reflash all the time, but I don't have much data on it. Better get someone to confirm that it doesn't delete your data :) [14:44] thanks t1mp! I see that Ubuntu touch has been ported to the Galaxy S2 already but not the AT&T version. I'm wondering if there's any differences between the two. I was going to give my wife the phone but she can't use it because its incompatible with Boost Mobile. [14:45] chowder: I don't know about that. I am in Europe and I think the network providers have less control over the devices here (luckily) [14:45] Browser’s toolbar buttons have haptic feedback, header buttons everywhere else do not [14:45] t1mp: if only that was the case in America. Either way I'm going to try and tinker with Ubuntu Touch since the phone is just collecting dust. Thanks again for pointing me in the right direction! [14:46] or maybe it is just me always buying simlock-free phones and prepaid network access :) [14:47] mpt: browser has custom header, most other apps the UITK header. If you need changes in that report a bug on http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/ and ping me :) [14:47] mzanetti, in your settings MP for the launcher reset, you said it should land together with the unity8 branch, which hasn't landed yet [14:47] mzanetti, right? [14:47] mpt: but I'm practically done for today, so that would be for Monday [14:48] mzanetti, it linked to this MP https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/unity8/launcher-update-on-dconf-change/+merge/236561 [14:51] Pushbuttons have haptic feedback, dialpad buttons and lock screen buttons do not [14:55] Checkboxes in apps have haptic feedback, checkboxes in Web pages do not… [14:56] Apps in the Dash have haptic feedback, apps in the Launcher do not [14:59] mpt: do we need a session on haptic feedback? [15:00] hey, just started playing around with Ubuntu touch. Had a question about a program running, ubuntu-push-cl, i couldn't find any google results for it. [15:00] mpt: we may need a bunch of people for that. For dash+launcher Saviq for webpages dbarth for most other places someone from the SDK team and probably some of the app developers [15:01] t1mp, true, but that doesn’t necessarily mean it benefits from those people being in the same room … Is this poor APIs, or is it just underspecification? [15:02] Is it for grabbing updates? [15:03] dia: it's "ubuntu-push-client" actually. wherever you copied the command name from, had it truncated [15:03] dia: it is the client for receiving push notifications [15:04] oh OK [15:06] mpt: I don't think we have clear specs on haptic feedback [15:06] mpt: I don't think we need to offer API for that. If we do it properly in UITK, the apps just get it by default :) [15:06] t1mp, I reopened bug 1267592 and summarized the findings [15:06] bug 1267592 in Ubuntu UX "[sdk] Haptic feedback (vibration) is inconsistent between UI elements" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1267592 [15:07] mpt: just unity uses a lot of custom components [15:07] mpt: okay, I like the new title more :) [15:50] tedg, what's the status of the messages in greeter landing? [15:54] kenvandine, Of the messages? [15:54] kenvandine, I was hoping to land the rtm stuff and then that. [15:55] kenvandine, But it seems that Saviq is traveling today, so I kinda need him for both. [15:55] tedg, ok [15:55] so next week i guess [15:55] tedg, i'm just trying to line up stuff for landings once the landings freeze is thawed [15:56] kenvandine, Understood, thinking the same :-) [15:56] * kenvandine gets out a hair dryer, certainly no other uses for it here :) [15:58] kenvandine, No comment ;-) [16:00] tedg :-D [16:03] see you all in DC next week! happy weekend/traveling! [16:10] Hi [16:54] Hey anyone know how to fix the date/time on ubuntu touch? Even when I do it manually it doesn't work [16:55] Is anyone even active? [16:58] how doesn't work? [16:58] what device do you use? [17:03] Vince__, works fine herre [17:03] *here [17:04] I'm on the nexus 5 port and it doesn't show the correct time for the specified timezone [17:06] do you run ubuntu only ? [17:07] or is that a dual boot setup ? might be that android fiddles with the TZ somehow [17:07] (it definitely works on all supported devices for me) [17:09] ogra_: yo, do you know how can i fix the upgrade process ? the update has been downloaded, the phone reboot then the upgrade process is triggered but system-settings still show the old version which means nothing has been upgraded http://paste.ubuntu.com/8576213/ [17:10] daker, "system-image-cli -f full -v" via adb should work [17:10] (that forces a full image upgrade instead of trying to use a delta) [17:10] ogra_: no data will be lost ? [17:11] not with system-image-cli, no [17:11] ok i'll test that once i am home, thanks! [17:21] Sorry doing multiple things at once. Yes I am dual booting with multirom [17:23] There are quite a few things that are not working for me. File manager cannot open some folders for some reason, cannot send sms messages (but I can call), can only use internet when connected via wifi, and many others [17:23] Will probably try a fresh install not dual booting [17:24] file manager is restricted to your homedir (and subdirs) by default [17:24] there should be an unlock button at the bottom to enter your pin if you want to browse any system dirs [17:24] Yes but I cannot open some folders in the /Music folder [17:24] ah [17:24] are you sure these are actually owned by phablet ? [17:25] That is probably it [17:25] I copied them on android to that destination [17:25] I gtg thanks for the help [17:25] when adb still ran as root and you did adb push it created files and dirs with rooot permissions [17:58] tedg: I need to talk to zsombi about it. we might have a solution, but more likely we will sort it out next week. [17:58] bzoltan, Cool, we had a chat with t1mp about it in the backlog. [17:58] bzoltan, I think he understands what design is after now. [18:06] tedg: Yes, we do understand. We have talked about it with zsombi before. [19:57] barry: hi! I'm trying to change the channel of my phone, and system-image-cli seems to just be hanging: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8580941/ [20:06] jdstrand: that's udm hanging :/ [20:06] ah, it just traced back [20:06] jdstrand: which means either network problems, or server problems [20:07] http://paste.ubuntu.com/8580973/ [20:07] barry: I guess that confirms what you're saying ^ [20:07] jdstrand: indeed. it means we didn't hear back from udm before it timed out [20:07] the device can ping system-image.ubuntu.com ok [20:08] jdstrand: try killing udm and letting dbus reactivate it [20:08] browsing works [20:09] barry: that seems to have done it. I guess if I didn't have you, I would've eventually rebooted [20:09] barry: thanks! [20:09] np! [20:10] well, it got farther, but now seems stuck again [20:10] hrmm [20:10] jdstrand: there are udm logs somewhere which might help. poke around in /var/log perhaps [20:17] * jdstrand ended up rebooting [20:17] that seems to have righted things [20:57] I am completely lost. Can someone help me with the current ubuntu-touch version? My mako says in the settings menue: OS Ubuntu 14.10 (r243). There was a image promotion today and I assume I will sometime get the utopic/mako image which is at #290 right now? [20:57] Nonetheless, image #5 in the ubuntu-rtm/14.09 channel seems even more up-to-date, so I should flash to this channel? [21:02] md6xum, if you want the latest with the best tested quality rtm is what you want, yes [21:05] Ok, then. And what channels will be changed after the release of ubuntu 14.10 next week? [21:06] touch is not depending on the ubuntu release schedule, i assume the devel channel will point to the V release as soon as it opens [21:07] but all serious work and stability improvements only happen in the rtm (release to manufacturer) distro [21:08] devel (or utopic ... or later V ... ) has turned into a developer playground to test stuff before handing it to QA who then allow it into rtm (or dont) [21:09] So, after I switched to rtm/14.09, do I have to reflash if the new rtm channel is called ubuntu-rtm/14.10 ? [21:09] there wont be a 14.10 rtm [21:09] 14.09 is the name [21:10] ok, sounds good. Thank you for the help! === salem_ is now known as _salem [22:36] Hey [22:37] Can i put ubuntu touch on an iphone 4s [22:40] not yet [22:41] How about a samsung galaxy s5? I haven't actually researched it I just plan to try it when i upgrade next year lol [22:43] and another attempt at porting... steps taken if anyone has time to look it over [22:43] http://pastebin.com/gN3KAjR0 [22:56] Was the not yet towards me? [23:50] anyone for porting help... feel like I'm close... started documenting.. but have been a few steps ahead before this... pulled most of the proprietary stuff from the phone directly... have the right repo's now