[00:08] <zmoylan-pi> what were you doing that you broke so many ribs?
[00:15] <shauno> velo-acrobatics iirc
[00:20] <shauno> hm, this things been sat on "about a minute remaining" for about 30 :/
[00:31] <zmoylan-pi> one of those windows if i click cancel it'll jump to 100% and then quit driving you just that little extra bonkers? :-)
[00:37] <shauno> OS upgrade .. there is no cancel button ;)
[00:38] <zmoylan-pi> at least on old systems you could see the hard disk led flashing away telling you something was happening
[00:39] <shauno> hah, yeah
[00:39] <zmoylan-pi> i miss those
[00:40] <zmoylan-pi> i think one of the reasons i avoid ssds is that i can still hear and feel a hard disk on those occasions when it looks like the system has stalled
[00:44] <shauno> ahhhh its migrating /usr/local  no wonder i broke the time-remaining gizmo .. thats one of the larger folders on my system
[03:30] <mapps> yo
[03:33] <zmoylan-pi> hi
[06:09] <Myrtti> top of the week to everyone
[06:09] <zmoylan-pi> or bottom of the week
[06:09] <Myrtti> I don't think I've recently waxed lyrical about LaTeX
[06:10] <ZeeroKool> please join the new Android Official channel on #android-os
[06:11] <Myrtti> Please don't spam channels...
[06:11] <Myrtti> ZeeroKool: so when has it been approved by the lead of the Android project?
[06:12] <ZeeroKool> AOSP
[06:12] <ZeeroKool> not by Google
[06:12] <ZeeroKool> Google's channel is #android
[06:13] <Myrtti> *sigh*
[06:13] <Myrtti> please don't spam it around.
[06:13] <zmoylan-pi> can you imagine the amount of announcement if every channel annouced itself in every other channel?
[06:14] <ZeeroKool> I'll stop
[06:15] <zmoylan-pi> if someone were asking about other channels or other oses it'd be ok to my mind to mention it but different channels have different rules
[06:18] <zmoylan-pi> latex is one of the things i
[06:19] <zmoylan-pi> 've started to have an interest in but have no idea where to start
[06:19] <Myrtti> I can recommend the Wikibook about it
[06:20] <Myrtti> that's my first go to
[06:20] <zmoylan-pi> got a link?
[06:20] <Myrtti> https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/LaTeX/
[06:20] <zmoylan-pi> thanks Myrtti
[06:21] <Myrtti> I do my CV and presentations with LaTeX. And now I'm doing the wedding information leaflet.
[06:21] <Myrtti> in two languages at the same time.
[06:22] <zmoylan-pi> i have a bunch of docs in text format so that i can read them on every device, but not want to kick them out to a printer once in a blue moon and want them to look a little decent without editing from scratch ever time
[06:22] <zmoylan-pi> *but now
[06:22] <Myrtti> what I'd do in that case is to have a master document
[06:23] <Myrtti> and \include{} those files you already have into it
[06:24] <Myrtti> that way you can keep the granularity and ease of plaintext reading (although you do have to add some styling on them too), and when you need it you can generate the pdf printout
[06:24] <zmoylan-pi> in ye days of old i'd just include printer control codes in the text but different devices would edit/modify them out
[06:24] <Myrtti> the master can have all the heavy lifting in it
[06:24] <Myrtti> defining of the styles, title pages etc.
[06:31] <zmoylan-pi> sounds like a decent plan, thanks
[06:32] <Myrtti> that's how I've done most of my things, granularity
[06:32] <Myrtti> allows for easier management of the parts of the bigger picture.
[06:32] <Myrtti> Easier version control
[06:37] <OERIAS> Myrtti, it is now an official channel
[06:38] <Myrtti> no, it's now a registered channel.
[06:38] <Myrtti> registering doesn't make it official.
[07:57] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:00] <DJones> Morning
[08:00] <DJones> Looks like a pretty major broadband fault affecting Sky customers across the NW (Manchester/Liverpool area's anyway)
[08:01] <zmoylan-pi> so will it be fixed for the weekend?
[08:01] <DJones> I hope it'll be fixed today
[08:01] <DJones> :)
[08:02] <zmoylan-pi> a weekend without broadband... where's the nearest video shop to replace netflix :-)
[08:03] <DJones> Where are you living?
[08:03] <zmoylan-pi> i'm in dublin so i should be ok
[08:04] <DJones> Erm, yeah, not really liverpool/manchester
[08:04] <zmoylan-pi> but not a big fan of the cloud and a major outage is the only thing that explains to kids why :-)
[08:04] <DJones> http://www.sky.com/mysky/latestnews/article/my-sky-updates/latest-help-and-support-issues/
[08:05] <DJones> Ah well, at least I get reasonable speed on my phone
[08:06] <czajkowski> hmm date/time icon didn't load on start up today
[08:06] <czajkowski> wonder was it an update I did yesterday
[08:06] <zmoylan-pi> you'd think there'd be enough outages that more people would have deals with their neighbours to share internet when theirs went out
[08:07] <zmoylan-pi> i picked up a 3g modem from tesco for €27 on prepay.  have to set it up in next few days
[08:09] <DJones> I think nowadays, people would be too nervous about what somebody else might do using their broadband
[08:10] <zmoylan-pi> i think thats some of it but doesn't explain all of the reluctance
[08:11] <DJones> Bloody hell, just tested the mobile broadband on my new contract/phone, Download 52.65 Mbps, upload 18.19 Mbps using 4G
[08:11] <zmoylan-pi> especially as now many wifi ap have a guest option
[08:12] <zmoylan-pi> so how long will it burn through your monthly cap?
[08:13] <DJones> 99% of the time I'm in a wifi zone or driving, so I rarely use the mobile broadband, used to have 500Mb and never went close to using it unless I was on holiday, now got 4Gb, so can't see me getting anywhere close without broadband faults
[08:24] <zmoylan-pi> till you have a web outage set up the 4g phone as cover and someone downloads a few iso's or updates an ancient windows pc :-)
[08:25] <DJones> CHances of me doing that pretty slim, its not release date yet so no iso's for me, and whats a windows pc :)
[08:25] <zmoylan-pi> something relatives insist on been inflicted with yet ask me to fix when it always goes south
[08:26] <DJones> The only ones I ever have to fix are parents, and I'll do that at their house anyway using their broadband, even so, they're win 7/8 so not too old
[08:27] <foobarry> still have no voice at all :(
[08:27] <foobarry> bit difficult sitting in the office
[08:28] <zmoylan-pi> some text to speech app foobarry? :-p
[08:46] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Mulligan Day! :-D
[09:11] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:21] <JamesTait> brobostigon, o/
[09:21] <brobostigon> morning JamesTait
[10:23] <awilkins> Anyone have an HP with a Z turbo drive? Ubuntu just shows it as a 32GB mSATA SSD
[10:23] <awilkins> Windows has it rolled into some kind of hybrid SSD RAID array to boost the main spinny rust.
[10:24] <awilkins> Ubuntu recognises it as an Intel Matrix Raid partition, I think frequently used sectors are just cached on it
[10:24] <awilkins> Can you replicate the same arrangement in Linux?
[10:25] <awilkins> (In Windows it doesn't show up - there's just a single SCSI device that I think is a RAID array composed of the main HDD plus the SDD "turbo overlay")
[10:43] <NET||abuse> hmm
[10:43] <NET||abuse> I've loaded gnome 3.12 up from the gnome-team ppa
[10:43] <NET||abuse> i've 2 external mnoitors and the laptop screen, it wont let me use the laptop screen as primary display
[10:46] <awilkins> Answering own question : http://www.wdong.org/wordpress/blog/2014/05/28/installing-ubuntu-14-04-to-bcache/
[10:46] <awilkins> ^ Probably the closest thing to Intel SRT I'll get on Ubuntu
[10:46] <awilkins> And has the advantage that I'll understand what's going on a bit better
[10:47] <awilkins> A little nervous about nuking my nice new work laptop and not being able to restore the SRT setup but hey, I could be trapped in Windows
[10:49]  * zmoylan-pi hands awilkins os/2 install floppies :-p
[10:50] <awilkins> Sweet, now all I need is a USB floppy drive
[10:50] <awilkins> And AN ETERNITY
[10:50]  * zmoylan-pi blows dust off parallel floppy drive
[10:50] <awilkins> Can you boot off that?
[10:50] <awilkins> Or do I need to install an OS to install the OS?
[10:51] <awilkins> Would also have to get a USB parallel port
[10:51] <zmoylan-pi> nah, you share it from another system and remote install from that.  it's a little difficult :-p
[11:13] <ali1234> just set up a netware server and pxe boot he installation
[11:23] <zmoylan-pi> netware server... retro
[11:28] <popey> IPXODI
[11:28] <popey> NETX!
[11:29] <popey> oops, forgot LSL
[11:50] <zmoylan-pi> don't forget share.exe or locking will be iffy :-)
[12:29] <diddledan_> wait.. netware? is that even still a "thing"?
[12:30] <diddledan_> related: I read that sales of netware have gone through the roof in china due to hatred of microsoft
[12:36] <zmoylan-pi> sneaky mormons, biding their time... :-p
[12:37] <diddledan_> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/10/16/netware_sales_grow_in_china_thanks_to_that_man_snowden/
[12:37] <diddledan_> thar tis
[12:38] <zmoylan-pi> i remember reading the history of netware and how 99% of the system fitted on one floppy but they packaged it so that you needed a bucket of floppies to make it look like you were getting value for money
[12:53] <safiyyah_> hi all need help erasing a USB drive, followed the instructions on this http://sourcedigit.com/8575-how-to-format-a-usb-pen-drive-in-linux-ubuntu-using-terminal-commands-and-disks-app/ but I keep getting an error returned. This USB flash is the bootable USB for 14.04 but I got the system working now so I want my USB stick back
[12:53] <ali1234> when you find out the problem you are trying to solve has a name and is impossible...
[12:54] <Azelphur> ali1234: haha
[12:54] <zmoylan-pi> i'd just erease all the files on it safiyyah_
[12:54] <Azelphur> !elaborate | safiyyah_
[12:54] <safiyyah_> I also tried the graphic instructions to no end as well, that also returns an error http://sourcedigit.com/8575-how-to-format-a-usb-pen-drive-in-linux-ubuntu-using-terminal-commands-and-disks-app/
[12:54] <zmoylan-pi> and empty the trash afterwards
[12:54] <safiyyah_> zmoylan and after that it will let me format?
[12:54] <safiyyah_> let me try that
[12:54] <Azelphur> safiyyah_: I'd be tempted to recommend gparted too, it's easy
[12:55] <safiyyah_> I tried gparted
[12:55] <zmoylan-pi> no need to format it after that safiyyah_, it'll be empty
[12:55] <Azelphur> safiyyah_: still need to elaborate though, we can't fix "an error"
[12:55] <safiyyah_> Gparted doesn't see the USB and am scared to fiddle
[12:56] <safiyyah_> okay will put the terminal error on pastebin
[12:57] <safiyyah_> As far as the terminal is concerned there is no command called unmount http://paste.ubuntu.com/8578994/
[12:58] <safiyyah_> I tried to remove it graphically and got another set of problems
[12:58] <ali1234> the command is "umount"
[12:58] <zmoylan-pi> umount not unmount
[12:58] <zmoylan-pi> ran into that for the first time this week :-)
[12:59] <safiyyah_> hmmm
[12:59] <safiyyah_> its gone through lets see what we have
[12:59] <safiyyah_> lol cant remount the thing lol
[13:00] <safiyyah_> Oh great it's empty I hadn't realised it was going to be named 'Ubuntu
[13:01] <safiyyah_> Azelphur, zmoylan-pi  what is the terminal command to remount because sudo mount /dev/sdc1 doesn't work
[13:02] <diddledan_> you need to tell it where to mount
[13:02] <ali1234> unplug it and plug it in again
[13:02] <diddledan_> or that
[13:02] <Azelphur> safiyyah_: yea, do what ali1234 said
[13:02] <ali1234> run "sync" first
[13:02] <safiyyah_> too much headache, unplug it is
[13:02] <Azelphur> ali1234: https://blockchain.info/address/1AwmojgcRR3onwDS4PpyjTbskoCM5evcYK we live in the future, my first salary :D
[13:02] <safiyyah_> one last niggle, I cant seem to log into nickserv
[13:03] <safiyyah_> everytime I tell it to log me in it refuses to let me use my name safiyyah
[13:03] <diddledan_> o_O
[13:05] <safiyyah_> sorry I exited by accident
[13:06] <safiyyah_> anyone know what to do about the IRC issue?
[13:06] <BigRedS> does it tell you why it refuses?
[13:07] <Azelphur> safiyyah_: you are connected to IRC twice, close your other IRC client.
[13:07] <ali1234> you are ghosted
[13:07] <Azelphur> oh yea, you are ghosted, /msg nickserv ghost safiyyah yourpassword
[13:07] <safiyyah_> it says that Safiyyah is already taken
[13:07] <ali1234>  /msg nickserv ghost safiyyah
[13:08] <awilkins> Azelphur, Whut, you got paid in BitCoin?
[13:08] <Azelphur> awilkins: I did :D
[13:08] <safiyyah_> ali1234,  it says: * safiyyah_ sets mode +i safiyyah_
[13:08] <safiyyah_> * safiyyah :Nickname is already in use.
[13:08] <awilkins> What for? And how are you going to reconcile your income tax?
[13:08] <Azelphur> awilkins: programming (python, django)
[13:09] <Azelphur> awilkins: I am going to check to make sure, but I think I only get taxed on money I convert from BTC to Fiat, which will be less than the income tax threshold.
[13:09] <ali1234> no
[13:09] <awilkins> And salary? Not a consulting fee?
[13:09] <ali1234> that wouldn't work if you were payed in gold, and it won't work for bitcoin either
[13:10] <awilkins> BTC would probably count as a benefit-in-kind
[13:10] <Azelphur> awilkins: yea salary
[13:10] <diddledan_> awilkins: it would. I couldn't think of the term tho
[13:11] <Azelphur> ali1234: *shrug* we'll see, it'll be interesting to see how they reason that I should convert my BTC to Fiat to pay them.
[13:11] <diddledan_> you need to declare the equivalent value
[13:11] <ali1234> the same way as if you were payed in gold, you sell some of it
[13:11] <awilkins> Or pay in fiat you get through other means
[13:11] <Azelphur> ali1234: and who eats the exchange fees? :P
[13:12] <awilkins> And when you convert BTC to fiat if the exchange rate went up since you received them you are probably liable for capital gains tax
[13:12] <ali1234> you can probably write those off as a loss?
[13:12] <Azelphur> ali1234: I guess
[13:12] <ali1234> likewise if it went down you can also write that off, probably
[13:12] <ali1234> you need to hire an accountant
[13:12] <Azelphur> fun times
[13:32] <foobarry> how to install mate on 14.04? apt-get install mate-desktop?
[13:54] <NET||abuse> hmm, i've a realy problem with my gnome setup, can't get super+l to work, nor if i change it to ctrl+alt+l  for screenlock
[13:55] <mapps> 25c here atm
[13:55] <NET||abuse> reall problem as if people leave there laptop's unlocked in the office here, the SOP is to send all@company an email about how you will buy them all cake,,
[13:56] <NET||abuse> out of the last 5 people to get cought, 3 have actually bought cake, it's becoming expected
[13:56] <NET||abuse> I'm at massive financial risk of having to buy everyone cake!
[13:57] <mapps> :<
[13:57] <mapps>  cake for mugs
[13:57] <zmoylan-pi> some unhappy employee is going to supply laxative cake
[13:58] <NET||abuse> :P
[13:58] <mapps> heh
[13:58] <NET||abuse> god i hope not
[13:58] <NET||abuse> anyway, something is off here, can't get any kind of lock to work. i installed 3.12 from the gnome-team ppa ontop of a standard unity install
[13:59] <mapps> downloading at 400ks7
[13:59] <mapps> grmpf
[13:59] <diddledan_> 400ks7?
[14:02] <mapps> yes
[14:02] <mapps> 400kb/s
[14:02] <mapps> better than 0
[14:02] <mapps> :D
[14:03] <mapps> had no net from 23 september to yesterday
[14:05] <zmoylan-pi> you must have gotten loads done :-)
[14:05] <mapps> nope
[14:05] <mapps> spent mos my time going to places with wifi
[14:05] <mapps> casino/bars etc
[14:05] <mapps> heh
[14:16] <Azelphur> Has anyone tried bone conduction headphones? are they any good?
[14:22] <awilkins> I imagine they are total shit for listening to music
[14:22] <awilkins> Pardon me, bad language in channel
[17:28] <ali1234> i just realised something
[17:29] <ali1234> even if i could solve this problem, the result would not be useful anyway
[18:54] <foobarry> who is this guy martin fellow? he is certainly an acquired taste
[18:55] <foobarry> almost can't watch this prgramme he is presenting
[18:57] <brobostigon> he is a biker.
[18:57] <brobostigon> he races motorbikes.
[18:58] <foobarry> he is just gabbling all the time
[18:58] <foobarry> shame cos i wanted to enjoy the prog
[18:59] <brobostigon> ah, i see.
[19:08] <mapps> gah
[19:09] <mapps> gotta setup openVPN again
[19:09] <mapps> on a new raspberry pi remotely
[19:09] <mapps> someone turned my raspberry pi off :(
[19:09] <mapps> so gotta run one from my dadsm grmpf
[19:17] <celesteh_> Hello, I have an ubuntu laptop and an ubuntu server, which I can ssh to. I want to run firefox on the server and have it display on my laptop, but when I ssh in and type 'firefox' at the prompt, it opens firefox on my local machine, which is not what i want (and is very strange, actually). How do I get it to run firefox remotely but display locally?
[19:18] <foobarry> aha
[19:18] <foobarry> firefox --no-remote i think..
[19:18] <foobarry> just checking
[19:19] <foobarry> celesteh_: yep, try that
[19:19] <celesteh_> that's it! thanks so much!
[19:19] <foobarry> \o/
[19:19] <celesteh_> such a weird thing to do by default!
[19:19] <foobarry> all other apps work normally
[19:20] <foobarry> also look into x2go as a really nice remote desktop viewing if you wanna do that stuff
[19:24] <mapps> run it on serer but show on laptop! ? how?!
[19:28] <shauno> x-forwarding?
[19:31] <shauno> the remote firefox thing works because shared memory in X is available to clients (but resides on the server - the display)
[19:32] <shauno> so exactly the same way as when you try to open a second copy of firefox locally, and it peeks into xshm and finds another copy, there's zero difference when this happens remotely
[19:33] <shauno> so it'd also behave as you expect if you don't have firefox already running locally, so there's no session to attach to
[19:34] <mapps> hm
[19:34] <mapps> so what does the client have to do
[19:34] <shauno> well, exactly as foobarry already said :)  (or --no-xshm, but that'll also break copy&paste)
[19:35] <mapps> ah sorry so this assumes ive sshd and x11 forwarding to server?
[19:35] <shauno> right.  or doing remote X old-school, but .. don't do that
[19:36] <mapps> aha
[19:37] <mapps> i thought x11 was old way
[19:37] <mapps> surely can run anything like that
[19:38] <shauno> well the old-fashioned way to do it is for X to open a socket listening on the network, so clients connect directly
[19:39] <shauno> which is bad in the plain-text ftp sense, and bad in the 'exposing services you don't need to' sense
[19:40] <mapps> aha
[19:40] <mapps> thanks
[19:40] <mapps> went to the beach today and it was foggy :((
[19:40] <mapps> biig let down
[19:42] <diddledan_> I will miss remote X when X11 disappears
[19:42] <diddledan_> via ssh, obv
[19:43] <mapps> how can u do it instead
[19:43] <foobarry> will wayland support it in any way?
[19:43] <foobarry> i use remote X a lot
[19:44] <diddledan_> nope, neither wayland nor mir will do anything similar
[19:44] <foobarry> :(
[19:44] <foobarry> somebody think of the users!
[19:44] <foobarry> http://imgur.com/gallery/QCBtATV
[19:44] <diddledan_> the wayland developers even had the gall to suggest vnc as an appropriate equivalent
[19:44] <mapps> ugh
[19:46] <foobarry> they could incorporate x2go and call it way2go
[19:47] <foobarry> x2go does individual windows if necessary, i ran lxde launcher from a server earlier
[19:47] <foobarry> on my desktop
[20:26] <mapps> pi@raspberrypi /etc/openvpn $ sudo iptables -t nat -A INPUT -i eth0 -p udp -m udp –dport 1194 -j ACCEPT
[20:26] <mapps> Bad argument `–dport'
[20:26] <mapps> whats wrong with that?
[20:26] <mapps> following a tutorial hms
[20:27] <mapps> other command doesnt work too;/
[20:27] <mapps> ptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 10.8.0.0/24 -o eth0 -j SNAT –to-source 192.168.0.2
[20:27] <diddledan_> mapps: --dport
[20:27] <mapps> ah
[20:27] <diddledan_> and --to-source
[20:28] <mapps> yea
[20:28] <mapps> Bad argument `–-dport'
[20:28] <mapps> i tried --to-source
[20:28] <shauno> mapps: you're pasting a weird character
[20:28] <shauno> before port, you don't have --, you have a unicode 'long dash'.  retype that bit and it should be fine
[20:28] <mapps> ah
[20:28] <mapps> damn
[20:29] <mapps> same for both i guess?
[20:29] <mapps> how can u tell it looked normnal to me
[20:29] <shauno> because my terminal isn't handling it properly  lol
[20:29] <diddledan_> lol
[20:29] <diddledan_> yey for teminitis
[20:29] <daftykins> oh yeah it's actually longer than the normal hyphen
[20:29] <diddledan_> terminitis**
[20:29] <daftykins> very very subtle difference
[20:29] <mapps> so i need to type both manually
[20:29] <shauno> http://cl.ly/image/2X1G040r140E
[20:29] <mapps> rather than cp :)
[20:29] <mapps> heh
[20:30] <shauno> a lot of CMS do this, they try to be clever and replace quotes with 'smart quotes', do long-dashes properly, etc.  which is all very pretty until it eats code
[20:30] <mapps> whys that happen i copied it off a tutorial where i assume guy wrote it right
[20:31] <diddledan_> eww, it's only the first one it's messed with - my gui irc client didn't grok that at all and just hid it
[20:31] <shauno> wordpress etc tend to be the culprits.  people paste in stuff that's working, and wp 'tidies it up'
[20:31] <mapps> what about the other cmd both have errors?
[20:32] <diddledan_> it looks like https://www.dropbox.com/s/x41u3aiw0lukt6x/Screenshot%202014-10-17%2021.31.57.png?dl=0
[20:32] <shauno> I see the same for --to-source and --dport.  they're two dashes
[20:33] <diddledan_> --to-source is a double dash on my gui, but -dport is only one in my gui - in the terminal it's double dash on both
[20:33] <shauno> as a rule of thumb (in gnu-land at least), it's one dash for a one-char option, and two dashes for a full ('long') option
[20:33] <diddledan_> but the first of the double dash is the unicode dash with the second dash normal
[20:33] <diddledan_> basically, very weird behaviour
[20:34] <daftykins> omg you all said 'dash' too many times D:
[20:34] <shauno> I'm not sure why I'm not seeing a proper unicode dash.  that should work here.  but kinda useful that it didn't
[20:34] <shauno> daftykins: and how dash that make you feel?
[20:34] <diddledan_> in the terminal: https://www.dropbox.com/s/ethz5m5yxbr2ux3/Screenshot%202014-10-17%2021.34.33.png?dl=0
[20:34] <daftykins> shauno: pretty dashful.
[20:34] <diddledan_> oh dash it!
[20:35] <diddledan_> sorry for the dashing language
[20:35] <shauno> oh eye diddledan_ .. that's worse  lol
[20:35] <shauno> the long-dash short-dash combo is even more deceiving
[20:36] <diddledan_> yey, what do I win?
[20:36] <shauno> ebola.
[20:36] <diddledan_> oh dash
[20:36] <shauno> (sorry, not funny, just sick of hearing it)
[20:37] <diddledan_> reminds me of a bad joke - I don't believe it's suitable for family friendly channels tho
[20:37] <shauno> well that's pretty much the story of your life
[20:41] <diddledan_> yeah, I totally got the pervert t-shirt
[20:42] <daftykins> nice, xbox live is broken again
[20:42] <diddledan_> yey?
[20:42] <daftykins> Microsoft can't seem to keep anything going of late.
[20:42] <diddledan_> everyone's moaning about 30fps games now
[20:43] <daftykins> i switch off at all that childish banter
[20:43] <diddledan_> "it doesn't look nice on xbone, so we'll turn down the gfx on the playstation too"
[20:43] <MartijnVdS> Nexus 9 preorders are open
[20:43] <daftykins> play store?
[20:43] <diddledan_> I want one
[20:44] <zmoylan-pi> they won't switch to linux and have to depend on flaky cheap software
[20:44] <diddledan_> zmoylan-pi: cheap?
[20:44] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: yes
[20:44] <diddledan_> zmoylan-pi: last I saw windows costs... money.. which is more than linux does.
[20:44] <zmoylan-pi> well they always say the tco is less than linux which is free so some negative value surely :-)
[20:45] <diddledan_> yeah they factor-into that tco calculation a "retraining cost"
[20:45] <diddledan_> because they think nobody is gonna have a clue how to use linux systems
[20:45] <MartijnVdS> as if they have a clue how to use windows
[20:45] <zmoylan-pi> whereas dropping win8 on someone requires no time wasting working out how to make the blinking thing work
[20:46] <diddledan_> you're right, it doesn't. because business decided the cost of retraining would be too high
[20:46] <diddledan_> so they stayed on xp
[20:47] <MartijnVdS> diddledan_: our customers (local councils in the Netherlands) only switched away from XP and IE8-on-Win7 last month or so
[20:47] <diddledan_> MartijnVdS: joy
[20:47] <MartijnVdS> well they moved. Made fixing Poodle a lot easier :)
[20:47] <daftykins> still blocked from visiting the Play Store, from here
[20:47] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: the islands/
[20:47] <daftykins> that's a big fat f*** you, Google.
[20:48] <daftykins> indeed yep
[20:48] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: you also don't have turn by turn directions
[20:48] <MartijnVdS> which struck me as odd when I was there
[20:48] <diddledan_> MartijnVdS: I've finally pushed through that we should build sites for IE9+ and ignore IE8/7/6 - that is until "the client" moans and I have to go back and break it
[20:48] <MartijnVdS> diddledan_: we do that doo
[20:48] <daftykins> MartijnVdS: our government refused to let them publish their street view images too
[20:48] <MartijnVdS> build for modern, fix reluctantly on breakage
[20:48] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: weirdos
[20:48] <daftykins> they just turned up on the boat one day from what i understand
[20:49] <MartijnVdS> 'OHAI'
[20:49] <diddledan_> daftykins: if I visit and take photos will I have to get clearance to publish them on flickr?
[20:50] <diddledan_> as if. they'll just say no.
[20:50] <daftykins> ;D
[20:50] <MartijnVdS> well.. there is streetview now.. so it must have been fixed
[20:50] <daftykins> in Guernsey?
[20:50] <MartijnVdS> Jersey
[20:50] <MartijnVdS> Guernsey might be different
[20:50] <MartijnVdS> they're even stranger!
[20:50] <daftykins> it's always different
[20:50] <daftykins> hey, i'm Guernsey!
[20:50] <daftykins> Jersey is just little England =|
[20:50] <diddledan_> you islanders are weird
[20:50] <MartijnVdS> exactly my point :P
[20:51] <zmoylan-pi> because the uk is not an island?
[20:51] <MartijnVdS> I'm still wondering what to do with my leftover jersey pound notes
[20:51] <MartijnVdS> I'm guessing nobody on the main island will accept them
[20:51] <daftykins> ah no
[20:51] <daftykins> it has it here too
[20:51] <diddledan_> MartijnVdS: nope, uk doesn't know what they are
[20:51] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: don't be a pedant
[20:51] <MartijnVdS> Might have to visit again (the horror! :P)
[20:51] <zmoylan-pi> this is irc, 1 pedant per channel minimum :-)
[20:51] <diddledan_> but we already have shauno
[20:52] <shauno> :(
[20:52] <zmoylan-pi> hence the word minimum /pedant
[20:52] <daftykins> ah no there is no street view, it's just a series of 3D snaps
[20:52] <diddledan_> shauno: you're being usurped
[20:52] <shauno> I'm okay with that :)
[20:53] <diddledan_> but what about your fans?!
[20:53] <shauno> I've already dusted them
[20:53] <shauno> 700GB rsync.  yawn ..
[20:54] <zmoylan-pi> but of that 700gb how much has changed?
[20:54] <MartijnVdS> 2kb
[20:54] <daftykins> https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@49.45652,-2.536185,3a,75y,335.15h,95.09t/data=!3m5!1e1!3m3!1sd4l-3DZUpzgAAAQWs8nWlw!2e0!3e11
[20:54] <daftykins> that's my high street
[20:54] <diddledan_> I think this is suitable to explain what happens in my mind when I'm in this channel (not safe for kiddywinks/children): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVPE7I0I7X4
[20:55] <shauno> zmoylan-pi: all of it, the target's a blank disk
[20:55] <shauno> (but rsync does a better job than cp of preserving some of osx's odder file attributes)
[20:55] <diddledan_> daftykins: can you get me some blueprints of that lloyds bank. preferably with measurements of the vault
[20:55] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.128975,4.6615244,3a,75y,57.88h,89.65t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s6GsTxGiIv96OlJ_PUwoKUg!2e0
[20:56] <daftykins> diddledan_: anytime!
[21:02] <zmoylan-pi> you'll get those at planning office
[21:03] <daftykins> you overestimate our government's reliability!
[21:15] <Azelphur> Does anyone have XBMC or similar running on an ARM board? if so, which one, how well does it work?
[21:15] <Azelphur> I'm thinking of purchasing an ODROID-U3 for that, if anyone has any better suggestions that'd be cool
[22:08] <shauno> bah, looks like I gotta send this disk back.  what a waste of a day
[22:08] <diddledan_> ssd?
[22:09] <shauno> nah, spinning rust
[22:11] <shauno> getting some nice vague errors in the logs;
[22:11] <shauno> 17/10/2014 22:42:55.000 kernel[0]: disk1s2: I/O error.
[22:12] <shauno> they're not overly frequent, considering I'm writing to it non-stop atm.  but not a great sign for a disk I've only had 10 hours
[22:30] <directhex> try swapping sata cable, first
[22:31] <shauno> heh, it's a laptop .. I'm not gonna go order some fussy cable for it