[13:03] <jrwren> new kid looks good: https://taiga.io/#
[13:03] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/X72aLJ - Taiga.Io | Agile, Open Source, Free Project Management System
[13:05] <brousch> More programmers solving programmer problems?
[13:10] <brousch> Sorry. sometimes it seems like a big circle jerk and it depresses me
[13:12] <jrwren> brousch: we programmers love our tools. I think most folks with jobs which involve a lot of tools love their tools.
[13:13] <jrwren> Hence, the craftsman analogies.
[13:13] <jrwren> brousch: I find taiga interesting not because its another circle jerk, but because they are addressing a real problem.
[13:13] <jrwren> brousch: all the open source tools of that nature are old and not easy to use. Everything else is commercial.
[13:21] <wolfger> cmaloney: Star Realms?
[13:23] <brousch> Is that like Go but with star shaped stones?
[13:33] <cmaloney> Good morning
[13:34] <cmaloney> No, it's a deck building game that is available on Android / iOS
[13:34] <cmaloney> It's awesome
[13:35] <cmaloney> What exactly is Taiga other than a nice little web site that has some broad promises?
[13:45] <rick_h_> morning
[14:12] <cmaloney> Bah, I forgot that it's release season. :)
[14:12] <cmaloney> Anyone want to have a release party?
[14:16] <brousch> Release? Is windows 10 out already?
[14:17] <cmaloney> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ <- Well considering the release parties aren't even on the calendar for global events. :)
[14:17] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/TDg8aQ - Ubuntu LoCo Events List | Ubuntu LoCo Team Portal
[14:17] <jrwren> brousch: um... utopic!  which is already the best ubuntu EVER!
[14:18] <cmaloney> You say that about all of them. :)
[14:19] <brousch> I'm happy with Kubuntu 14.04
[14:20] <jrwren> cmaloney: each one is better than the previous. So it is always true!
[14:20] <jrwren> Is kubuntu 14.10 shipping plasma 5.1?
[14:22] <brousch> Linux Action Show said 14.10 has nothing new in it except some wallpapers. They seemed to imply it was pointless
[14:22] <brousch> Also, you get paid to say it's awesome now
[14:23] <jrwren> brousch: i don't even work on that team. if it was crap, I'd say so.
[14:23] <brousch> You're tainted now. You cannot be trusted with this opinion.
[14:24] <jrwren> You are right. Windows 10 it is. I can't WAIT for it. It is everything 8 should have been.
[14:26] <cmaloney> jrwren: Sadly I think you're right on most counts.
[14:26] <jrwren> if only windows 10 were free for me. I'm still a 7 user, and I don't see myself every paying for Windows again.
[14:26] <cmaloney> jrwren: Wow
[14:26] <jrwren> All of my Win7 licenses were free as in beer from MSFT.
[14:27] <cmaloney> That is not something I  expected you to say. :)
[14:27] <jrwren> cmaloney: really?
[14:27] <rick_h_> hmm, I'm not sure what's in 14.10. The team's work on juju-quickstart I guess :)
[14:27] <cmaloney> jrwren: Yeah, you were my go-to person for Windows information.
[14:27] <jrwren> cmaloney: ah, I've not been that for at least 2 yrs :(
[14:27] <cmaloney> No worries.
[14:28] <cmaloney> I'd rather you be my go-to person for Ubuntu stuff. :)
[14:28] <cmaloney> Ubuntu being anything developer related under Ubuntu
[14:28] <jrwren> cmaloney: only server. I know very little about ubuntu desktop.
[14:28] <cmaloney> jrwren: Yeah, that's what I meant
[14:29] <cmaloney> Not sure who is working on desktop at the moment
[14:29] <jrwren> I'd say brousch :)
[14:29] <cmaloney> Gah, I'm so far behind on newsfeeds it's not even funny
[14:30] <cmaloney> I know it's bad when there's 17 Seth Godin posts I haven't read.
[14:31] <brousch> jrwren: I am using the KDE desktop, but I do not work on Unity
[14:32] <jrwren> cmaloney: yeah, feedly is fine, but death of google reader was also the death of my routine reading
[14:36] <cmaloney> I'm using Newsblur and I'm 900+ stories
[14:36] <cmaloney> I'm about to declare bankruptcy on my feeds
[14:37] <jrwren> information overload!
[14:37] <jrwren> unsubscribe from the high volume ones.
[14:41] <mrgoodcat> i think i'm the only person ever who actually likes unity
[14:42] <mrgoodcat> 14.10 doesn't have any real ground-breaking changes. some aesthetic things and it is now possible to run unity 8 if you want to
[14:42] <cmaloney> I like Unity as well
[14:42] <mrgoodcat> i'm using i3 right now though
[14:42] <mrgoodcat> unity is a pain to get running on arch
[14:42] <cmaloney> No surprise there
[14:42] <rick_h_> lots of people like unity
[14:42] <brousch> I put it on my kid's c720. It annoys me and him
[14:43] <rick_h_> many complained early, but were pacified later
[14:43] <mrgoodcat> brousch: arch? or unity?
[14:43] <brousch> Unity
[14:43] <mrgoodcat> what don't you like about it?
[14:43] <brousch> I went the lazy route and used a script to install on the chromebook. It came with Unity
[14:43] <mrgoodcat> i assume you used chrubuntu
[14:43] <brousch> The same old things I complain about. He could not figure out how to close a window because of on-hover menus
[14:48] <mrgoodcat> ah well thats just getting used to it
[14:48] <mrgoodcat> besides, he should know better than to use the mouse ;)
[14:48] <brousch> minecraft
[14:48] <brousch> That's the only reason he has it
[14:49] <mrgoodcat> "it" is the compuer or unity?
[14:49] <brousch> But it's working better than my last experience on OSX. My wife wanted to install a minecraft mod and we could not figure out how to find the right dir
[14:50] <brousch> Open find, go to "your name"/something/Libraries
[14:50] <brousch> finder
[14:50] <brousch> Finder does not show any way to get to your home dir
[14:50] <jrwren> mrgoodcat: i like unity. Once I found ? for help, I found it usable :)
[14:52] <mrgoodcat> "it" is the compuer or unity?
[14:52] <mrgoodcat> the internet is so infuriating here
[14:53] <mrgoodcat> I can't stay connected to the wifi
[14:53] <mrgoodcat> my whole class is having the same problem
[14:53] <brousch> Unity
[14:53] <mrgoodcat> :<
[14:53] <brousch> Sounds like the access point is full
[14:53] <mrgoodcat> :</
[14:53] <mrgoodcat> what does unity have to do with minecraft?
[14:53] <brousch> Have everyone turn off their phone's wifi
[14:53] <mrgoodcat> brousch: i think it probably is
[14:54] <mrgoodcat> everyone is probably not just my class
[14:54] <mrgoodcat> my class is only 5 people
[14:54] <brousch> He only has non-ChromeOS because he plays minecraft. Unity was the simplest route
[14:54] <mrgoodcat> ah
[14:54] <mrgoodcat> got it
[14:54] <mrgoodcat> is it dualboot or chroot?
[14:55] <brousch> dual boot
[14:55] <brousch> I had trouble with chrouton. If you don't shut it down right it can get corrupted, and you can't count on a 6 year old to shut down correctly every time
[14:56] <brousch> also it is complicated to turn on the chroot and switch to it
[14:56] <mrgoodcat> got i really suck at early game...
[14:56] <brousch> I'll probably take my other c720 and make it single-boot kubuntu
[14:56] <mrgoodcat> my c720 is single boot arch
[14:57] <mrgoodcat> if you use kernel 3.17 the drivers are supported
[14:57] <mrgoodcat> no patches needed
[14:57] <brousch> Did you do the seabios commands and the screw thing?
[14:57] <mrgoodcat> nah
[14:57] <mrgoodcat> didn't see any need
[14:58] <mrgoodcat> what advantages do you get from it?
[14:58] <brousch> If it totally runs out of power it could revert
[14:58] <mrgoodcat> hmm
[14:58] <mrgoodcat> i've run it out of power a couple times
[14:58] <mrgoodcat> wait no its dual boot
[14:58] <mrgoodcat> not single
[14:58] <mrgoodcat> idk what i was thinking there
[14:59] <mrgoodcat> but yea. 3.17.1 is the current stable branch and it runs flawlessly on the c720
[15:01] <brousch> jrwren: Do you use OSX's finder or is there some secret actually-useful replacement I hadn't heard of?
[15:01] <jrwren> brousch: you shutdown your laptop?
[15:01] <jrwren> brousch: iterm + gnu coreutils :)
[15:01] <brousch> No, but my son will sometimes dislodge the power cord and let it run out completely
[15:01] <jrwren> brousch: i use Finder for very few operations.
[15:01] <jrwren> brousch: it doesn't go to sleep?
[15:02] <brousch> I think minecraft keeps it awake
[15:02] <jrwren> brousch: oh, he probably leave minecraft running and that... yeah.. bummer.
[15:02] <mrgoodcat> i've taken it down to 0 a couple times. never had a problem
[15:04] <brousch> Actually it's possible he reset it at the white screen of doom when booting it
[15:04] <mrgoodcat> spacebar of death
[15:04] <mrgoodcat> i did that once
[15:04] <mrgoodcat> it was a bad day
[15:04] <brousch> The problem with being able to read but not really understand
[15:04] <wolfger> Is it too late to chime in on the betterness of new distros? :-p
[15:04] <mrgoodcat> the wording is super confusing too
[15:04] <mrgoodcat> "if you don't hit spacebar you might possibly die in hellfire or something"
[15:05] <wolfger> I think Kubuntu has finally surpassed Feisty, but it took several years, and maybe I just forgot how good Feisty was finally.
[15:05] <mrgoodcat> wolfger: nah feel free :)
[15:05] <mrgoodcat> what number was Feisty?
[15:05] <brousch> I'm really happy with Kubuntu. It just works
[15:06] <mrgoodcat> i've never spent a lot of time in KDE
[15:06] <wolfger> Feisty was 7.04
[15:06] <mrgoodcat> oh lol
[15:07] <mrgoodcat> i was 14
[15:07] <wolfger> Although in fairness to Kubuntu, they were hamstrung for quite a while waiting for KDE 4 to stop sucking when compared to KDE 3.
[15:07] <mrgoodcat> kde always looks dated to me
[15:07] <wolfger> ...and now KDE 5 will come out.
[15:07] <brousch> I might still have my warty warthog CD
[15:08] <brousch> Are those worth money yet?
[15:09] <mrgoodcat> 1$
[17:04] <brousch> mrgoodcat: Doh, played too quickly and missed a better move
[17:04] <brousch> I did
[17:46] <wolfger> Just played out the next 7 moves against cmaloney...
[17:50] <wolfger> Should change the name of this channel to #go-us-mi though. ;-)
[17:52] <brousch> heh
[17:53] <brousch> Wow 7 moves is a lot. You accounted for his likely counters?
[17:55] <rick_h_> hah
[17:56] <cmaloney> I doubt it. :)
[18:44] <brousch> o_O http://techreport.com/news/27228/this-mini-bay-trail-pc-is-the-size-of-a-thumb-drive
[18:44] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/Vpdq0R - This mini Bay Trail PC is the size of a thumb drive - The Tech Report
[21:46] <cmaloney> http://www.reddit.com/r/Detroit/comments/2jja6m/sweet_detour_bro/
[21:46] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/xxkRkW - Sweet detour, bro. : Detroit
[22:46] <wolfger> brousch: I accounted for his likely counters, yes... of course cmaloney foiled me by not trying to counter my capture. I'm confused as to what his plan is.