[13:03] new kid looks good: https://taiga.io/# [13:03] http://goo.gl/X72aLJ - Taiga.Io | Agile, Open Source, Free Project Management System [13:05] More programmers solving programmer problems? [13:10] Sorry. sometimes it seems like a big circle jerk and it depresses me [13:12] brousch: we programmers love our tools. I think most folks with jobs which involve a lot of tools love their tools. [13:13] Hence, the craftsman analogies. [13:13] brousch: I find taiga interesting not because its another circle jerk, but because they are addressing a real problem. [13:13] brousch: all the open source tools of that nature are old and not easy to use. Everything else is commercial. [13:21] cmaloney: Star Realms? [13:23] Is that like Go but with star shaped stones? [13:33] Good morning [13:34] No, it's a deck building game that is available on Android / iOS [13:34] It's awesome [13:35] What exactly is Taiga other than a nice little web site that has some broad promises? [13:45] morning [14:12] Bah, I forgot that it's release season. :) [14:12] Anyone want to have a release party? [14:16] Release? Is windows 10 out already? [14:17] http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ <- Well considering the release parties aren't even on the calendar for global events. :) [14:17] http://goo.gl/TDg8aQ - Ubuntu LoCo Events List | Ubuntu LoCo Team Portal [14:17] brousch: um... utopic! which is already the best ubuntu EVER! [14:18] You say that about all of them. :) [14:19] I'm happy with Kubuntu 14.04 [14:20] cmaloney: each one is better than the previous. So it is always true! [14:20] Is kubuntu 14.10 shipping plasma 5.1? [14:22] Linux Action Show said 14.10 has nothing new in it except some wallpapers. They seemed to imply it was pointless [14:22] Also, you get paid to say it's awesome now [14:23] brousch: i don't even work on that team. if it was crap, I'd say so. [14:23] You're tainted now. You cannot be trusted with this opinion. [14:24] You are right. Windows 10 it is. I can't WAIT for it. It is everything 8 should have been. [14:26] jrwren: Sadly I think you're right on most counts. [14:26] if only windows 10 were free for me. I'm still a 7 user, and I don't see myself every paying for Windows again. [14:26] jrwren: Wow [14:26] All of my Win7 licenses were free as in beer from MSFT. [14:27] That is not something I expected you to say. :) [14:27] cmaloney: really? [14:27] hmm, I'm not sure what's in 14.10. The team's work on juju-quickstart I guess :) [14:27] jrwren: Yeah, you were my go-to person for Windows information. [14:27] cmaloney: ah, I've not been that for at least 2 yrs :( [14:27] No worries. [14:28] I'd rather you be my go-to person for Ubuntu stuff. :) [14:28] Ubuntu being anything developer related under Ubuntu [14:28] cmaloney: only server. I know very little about ubuntu desktop. [14:28] jrwren: Yeah, that's what I meant [14:29] Not sure who is working on desktop at the moment [14:29] I'd say brousch :) [14:29] Gah, I'm so far behind on newsfeeds it's not even funny [14:30] I know it's bad when there's 17 Seth Godin posts I haven't read. [14:31] jrwren: I am using the KDE desktop, but I do not work on Unity [14:32] cmaloney: yeah, feedly is fine, but death of google reader was also the death of my routine reading [14:36] I'm using Newsblur and I'm 900+ stories [14:36] I'm about to declare bankruptcy on my feeds [14:37] information overload! [14:37] unsubscribe from the high volume ones. [14:41] i think i'm the only person ever who actually likes unity [14:42] 14.10 doesn't have any real ground-breaking changes. some aesthetic things and it is now possible to run unity 8 if you want to [14:42] I like Unity as well [14:42] i'm using i3 right now though [14:42] unity is a pain to get running on arch [14:42] No surprise there [14:42] lots of people like unity [14:42] I put it on my kid's c720. It annoys me and him [14:43] many complained early, but were pacified later [14:43] brousch: arch? or unity? [14:43] Unity [14:43] what don't you like about it? [14:43] I went the lazy route and used a script to install on the chromebook. It came with Unity [14:43] i assume you used chrubuntu [14:43] The same old things I complain about. He could not figure out how to close a window because of on-hover menus [14:48] ah well thats just getting used to it [14:48] besides, he should know better than to use the mouse ;) [14:48] minecraft [14:48] That's the only reason he has it [14:49] "it" is the compuer or unity? [14:49] But it's working better than my last experience on OSX. My wife wanted to install a minecraft mod and we could not figure out how to find the right dir [14:50] Open find, go to "your name"/something/Libraries [14:50] finder [14:50] Finder does not show any way to get to your home dir [14:50] mrgoodcat: i like unity. Once I found ? for help, I found it usable :) [14:52] "it" is the compuer or unity? [14:52] the internet is so infuriating here [14:53] I can't stay connected to the wifi [14:53] my whole class is having the same problem [14:53] Unity [14:53] :< [14:53] Sounds like the access point is full [14:53] : what does unity have to do with minecraft? [14:53] Have everyone turn off their phone's wifi [14:53] brousch: i think it probably is [14:54] everyone is probably not just my class [14:54] my class is only 5 people [14:54] He only has non-ChromeOS because he plays minecraft. Unity was the simplest route [14:54] ah [14:54] got it [14:54] is it dualboot or chroot? [14:55] dual boot [14:55] I had trouble with chrouton. If you don't shut it down right it can get corrupted, and you can't count on a 6 year old to shut down correctly every time [14:56] also it is complicated to turn on the chroot and switch to it [14:56] got i really suck at early game... [14:56] I'll probably take my other c720 and make it single-boot kubuntu [14:56] my c720 is single boot arch [14:57] if you use kernel 3.17 the drivers are supported [14:57] no patches needed [14:57] Did you do the seabios commands and the screw thing? [14:57] nah [14:57] didn't see any need [14:58] what advantages do you get from it? [14:58] If it totally runs out of power it could revert [14:58] hmm [14:58] i've run it out of power a couple times [14:58] wait no its dual boot [14:58] not single [14:58] idk what i was thinking there [14:59] but yea. 3.17.1 is the current stable branch and it runs flawlessly on the c720 [15:01] jrwren: Do you use OSX's finder or is there some secret actually-useful replacement I hadn't heard of? [15:01] brousch: you shutdown your laptop? [15:01] brousch: iterm + gnu coreutils :) [15:01] No, but my son will sometimes dislodge the power cord and let it run out completely [15:01] brousch: i use Finder for very few operations. [15:01] brousch: it doesn't go to sleep? [15:02] I think minecraft keeps it awake [15:02] brousch: oh, he probably leave minecraft running and that... yeah.. bummer. [15:02] i've taken it down to 0 a couple times. never had a problem [15:04] Actually it's possible he reset it at the white screen of doom when booting it [15:04] spacebar of death [15:04] i did that once [15:04] it was a bad day [15:04] The problem with being able to read but not really understand [15:04] Is it too late to chime in on the betterness of new distros? :-p [15:04] the wording is super confusing too [15:04] "if you don't hit spacebar you might possibly die in hellfire or something" [15:05] I think Kubuntu has finally surpassed Feisty, but it took several years, and maybe I just forgot how good Feisty was finally. [15:05] wolfger: nah feel free :) [15:05] what number was Feisty? [15:05] I'm really happy with Kubuntu. It just works [15:06] i've never spent a lot of time in KDE [15:06] Feisty was 7.04 [15:06] oh lol [15:07] i was 14 [15:07] Although in fairness to Kubuntu, they were hamstrung for quite a while waiting for KDE 4 to stop sucking when compared to KDE 3. [15:07] kde always looks dated to me [15:07] ...and now KDE 5 will come out. [15:07] I might still have my warty warthog CD [15:08] Are those worth money yet? [15:09] 1$ [17:04] mrgoodcat: Doh, played too quickly and missed a better move [17:04] I did [17:46] Just played out the next 7 moves against cmaloney... [17:50] Should change the name of this channel to #go-us-mi though. ;-) [17:52] heh [17:53] Wow 7 moves is a lot. You accounted for his likely counters? [17:55] hah [17:56] I doubt it. :) [18:44] o_O http://techreport.com/news/27228/this-mini-bay-trail-pc-is-the-size-of-a-thumb-drive [18:44] http://goo.gl/Vpdq0R - This mini Bay Trail PC is the size of a thumb drive - The Tech Report === dzho is now known as __dzho__ [21:46] http://www.reddit.com/r/Detroit/comments/2jja6m/sweet_detour_bro/ [21:46] http://goo.gl/xxkRkW - Sweet detour, bro. : Detroit [22:46] brousch: I accounted for his likely counters, yes... of course cmaloney foiled me by not trying to counter my capture. I'm confused as to what his plan is. === __dzho__ is now known as dzho