[00:00] <dzho> even so
[00:00] <dzho> also, happy saturday UTC
[00:00] <skellat> Indeed
[00:00] <skellat> I threw it on the agenda for Tuesday's meeting
[00:00]  * dzho nods
[00:00] <skellat> We'll deal with the issue then
[00:00] <skellat> I hope
[00:01] <dzho> fwiw, there's a group, "Unshackle Upstate" that wants devolution in New York from NYC
[00:01] <skellat> That is doable under the US Constitution provided the legislature in Albany agrees and Congress consents
[00:01] <skellat> Lemme go find a citation
[00:02] <dzho> no need, but suit yourself
[00:02] <dzho> in a more practical vein, the NYC area has never so far as I know been able to pull together a loco event or launch party
[00:02] <dzho> otoh NYC hosted a Debconf
[00:03] <skellat> Article IV, Section 3, Clause 1
[00:03] <skellat> New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress.
[00:04] <dzho> I'm not holding my breath.
[00:04] <skellat> The health of the NYS LoCo is not good at all
[00:04] <dzho> well, from where you sit.  Which is, of course, part of the problem with the loco idea in general.
[00:05] <skellat> Here's the current roster of "Verified" LoCo teams (all 39 of them as of this hour): https://launchpad.net/~locoteams-verified/+members
[00:05] <jenni> [ Members : “Verified LoCo Teams” team ] - https://j.mp/105fZBD
[00:06] <dzho> we threw a big pile of ubuntu disks away recently, they were clogging up the hackerspace.  people got tired of trying to use them and then discovering that they were unsupported versions.
[00:07] <skellat> All that gets set is Ubuntu and Ubuntu Server, no flavors
[00:07] <dzho> well, maybe now.
[00:07] <dzho> but there's a legacy of old ubuntu crap sitting around all over the place.
[00:08] <dzho> that goes only three ways, really:  old stuff gets replaced, old stuff sits around and makes people frustrated and ubuntu look bad, or old stuff gets replaced.
[00:08] <dzho> er, the last one should be, old stuff gets thrown out and ubuntu disappears from view.
[00:10] <dzho> if ubuntu wants to send us marketing material, then that's ok.  But I'm not going to get all hot and bothered about jumping through hoops so I can have the privilege of receiving and distributing someone elses marketing material.
[00:11]  * skellat snickers
[00:11] <dzho> ubuntu's days as a bandwagon fad that's popular to jump on is over.
[00:11] <dzho> nice.
[00:12] <skellat> Here are the hoops: Make sure your online presence is set up, make sure you have somebody who is leader, make sure you are set up on Launchpad
[00:12] <skellat> And that is it
[00:12] <skellat> Those are the only hoops
[00:12] <dzho> well, ask yourself why the third most populous state in tha nation has absolutely no one who is interested in doing even that.
[00:13] <skellat> NYS is 3rd now?
[00:13] <dzho> whatever, 20 million people is the point.
[00:13] <skellat> That part I do know
[00:14] <dzho> we have one person, who is still on CC I think.
[00:14] <skellat> They have their online presence and are set up on Launchpad
[00:14] <dzho> friend of mine, actually.
[00:14] <skellat> Yeah, cproffit
[00:14] <dzho> funny thing is, NYS isn't on your list.
[00:14] <skellat> Which one?
[00:14] <dzho> that last URL you sent
[00:14] <dzho> unless Ctrl-F is failing me
[00:15] <skellat>  	Expired on 2013-07-20
[00:15] <dzho> yes, well.
[00:16] <skellat> There was a decision they did not wish to continue with a Verified status at that time
[00:16] <dzho> heck, metro NYC is more populous than ohio I bet, if you take the 5 boroughs proper and add a bit of the surrounding areas.
[00:17] <dzho> bigger than, say, all of Scotland, certainly, bigger than a lot of countries.
[00:17] <skellat> OH 11.5 mil
[00:17] <dzho> so, why is it the only people who can be bothered in all of the state hail from the same mid-sized city far from the center of population?
[00:17] <dzho> yeah, NYC alone is 8
[00:18] <dzho> throw in a bit of surrounding counties and you hit 11 pretty quickly I bet
[00:18] <dzho> some of that is in NJ of course but even in just NYS it wouldn't be hard.
[00:21] <skellat> This will be taken under advisement
[00:21] <dzho> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_population
[00:21] <jenni> [ List of U.S. states and territories by population - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ] - https://j.mp/105hz6w
[00:21] <dzho> fwiw
[00:21] <skellat> One step ahead of you there :-)
[00:21]  * dzho snickers
[00:22] <skellat> I prefer to use Census datasets directly but Wikipedia just formats it so nicely...
[00:22] <PCLine_> Evening everyone.
[00:22] <skellat> Good evening
[00:22] <skellat> For example, this doesn't look pretty or easy to use at all: http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/39000.html
[00:22] <jenni> [ Ohio QuickFacts from the US Census Bureau ] - https://j.mp/105hNdP
[00:23] <skellat> Let alone this: http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/39/39007.html
[00:23] <jenni> [ Ashtabula County QuickFacts from the US Census Bureau ] - https://j.mp/105hSOw
[00:26] <skellat> And this nasty bit requires heavy JS: http://factfinder2.census.gov/bkmk/table/1.0/en/DEC/10_DP/DPDP1/0400000US39.06000?slice=GEO~0600000US3900702652
[00:26] <jenni> [ American FactFinder - Results   ] - https://j.mp/105iiEA
[00:27] <skellat> Here's the right one: http://factfinder2.census.gov/bkmk/cf/1.0/en/place/Edgewood CDP, Ohio/POPULATION/DECENNIAL_CNT
[00:27] <jenni> [ American FactFinder - Community Facts ] - https://j.mp/105irYP
[00:28] <dzho> so, it occurs to me that R2D2 is like this massively-exceptional codebreaker
[00:29] <skellat> Yes, it is
[00:30] <skellat> FOX8 news on the morning show in Cleveland had some kit builders racing some mock-ups around the studio earlier this week
[00:30] <dzho> wat
[00:30] <skellat> Never saw a forest green R2D2 before
[00:30] <skellat> Crap
[00:30] <skellat> Nothing on their website
[00:31] <skellat> Yeah, morning show on WJW-FOX8 they had a bunch of kit builders on who were making replicas of R2D2 at $2k apiece
[00:31] <skellat> 3 units in studio and the air talent got to try RC racing the R2D2 replicas in the open area
[00:32] <skellat> R2 doesn't handle too well and is a cone-killer
[00:32] <skellat> One of 'em couldn't stay in its lane
[00:33] <skellat> FOUND IT!
[00:33] <skellat> http://fox8.com/2014/10/13/r2-d2s-take-over-fox-8-news/
[00:33] <jenni> [ R2-D2s take over Fox 8 News! | fox8.com ] - https://j.mp/105j0BU
[00:36] <dzho> yeah, ok, but did they break the trucrypt on anyone's HD?
[00:37] <dzho> pwn some LUKS
[00:38] <skellat> I was assuming that was next decade's upgrade
[00:38] <skellat> Along with the rockets to make R2 fly
[00:40] <dzho> well, he's always breaking into stuff, physically (doors and so on) and into central computers (telling him the Falcon's hyperdrive was disabled, getting control of Death Star systems)
[00:47] <skellat> Well, since we saw the jump jets in that one prequel movie...and then never again...I'd assume that the stuff that controlled those was put to codebreaking
[00:48] <skellat> Besides, anything the novels said such as those written by Timothy Zahn got thrown out the airlock by Disney in light of the upcoming films as to canonicity
[00:49] <dzho> yeah, I'm not too fussed about "canon"
[21:58] <jrgifford> paultag: if I'm reading your latest github repo correctly, you are using ansible to manage docker?