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bonohello, im glad join on kubutu01:20
valoriehi bono, can we help?01:24
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bononothing, im just join now01:25
valoriecool01:26
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M1keHoaxGood evening, is anyone able to help me with netflix?01:42
valoriehmmm, let's see if ubottu knows01:49
valorie!netflix01:49
ubottuIf you use Netflix, there is an unofficial solution for using it in Ubuntu detailed in http://www.compholio.com/netflix-desktop/ - bug reports in https://bugs.launchpad.net/netflix-desktop01:49
valorieheh01:50
rwwas i understand it, the current recommended incantation involves google-chrome and doesn't use WINE01:51
malcolmsorry01:53
ugly_catHow can I make it so it is only possible to drag the window from the title bar?02:37
ugly_catin plasma next02:37
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jpwhitinghey all, is anyone in here playing with project neon by chance ?03:47
jpwhitingI have a question about what's in some package to try to solve a bug just reported on bugs.kde.org03:48
valoriequite a few users in the past, but there were some bumps a few weeks ago04:00
jpwhitingnp, I think I asked good questions anyway, we'll see04:01
jpwhitingwhich releases of *buntu can install that ppa ? raring? quantal? something newer ?04:02
jpwhitingI'll try it on a vm here and see if I can recreate the problem04:02
rwwi think PPAs are generally published for supported versions, so "something newer" indeed04:03
rwwsince both raring and quantal are EOL04:03
jpwhitingah, I haven't used buntu in quite some time then, /me checks what this old kubuntu vm is running04:03
jpwhitingprecise, oops04:04
* jpwhiting makes a new one with a released iso and then will add the ppa :)04:04
valoriehttps://community.kde.org/Plasma/Packages#Kubuntu04:06
* jpwhiting grabs kubuntu-14.04 iso04:06
valorieso 14.04 + neon5, 14.10+/next04:07
ap0cis upgrading from 14.04 to 14.10 simple?04:21
ap0cI never really upgraded distros before04:22
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valorieap0c: yes, it was a bit rough back in the alpha days04:36
valorieon this computer, I'll upgrade once i've got my backup box running again04:36
valorieI only reinstall when necessary04:37
ap0cwill 14.10 be an LTS?04:41
ap0cI still don't exactly know what LTS means, I think it stands for Long Term Stable04:41
tsimpsonLTS is Long Term Support, 14.04 is the latest LTS release04:44
tsimpsonthey're released every two years and are supported for 5 years (though some flavours have a different support period)04:45
valorieap0c: no, 14.04 is the LTS04:52
valorieand the S is for support04:52
valorie14.10 might be a bit wild and wooly, if past history is any predictor04:52
ap0cthanks valorie, I was just doing a little googling on the subject04:53
ap0cand tsimpson ^04:53
valoriesometimes I upgrade early04:54
valorieno hurry this time04:54
ap0cI'll probably stick with 14.0404:54
ap0cunless there is a compelling reason to switch04:54
valoriewhat compells me is I love the new stuff04:54
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ap0cwhen I type users in the CLI , I have 3 instances of my own username05:11
tsimpsonap0c: you're logged in more than once, keep in mind that shell sessions are separate logins05:14
ap0ctsimpson is there a way to log off my old sessions?05:16
ap0cor will there be 4 users if I am running 4 workspaces?05:16
ap0cyakuake is in each workspace but it's the same terminal05:16
tsimpsonif you're logged into KDE, and you have a terminal open, that's 2 logins05:16
tsimpsonone in which the plasma desktop is running, and one in which the shell inside the terminal is running05:17
ap0cthere are 4 users total when I type uptime05:17
ap0care the other 2 root and guest?05:17
ap0ceven though I disabled the guest05:17
tsimpsonhave a look at the output of the "who" command05:18
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ap0c:0, pts/1 , pts/1005:19
ap0call the same user05:19
tsimpsondo you have more than one tab open in yakuake?05:20
tsimpsonand/or other terminal05:20
tsimpsoneach one will be a separate login05:20
ap0cI didn't even know there were other tabs in yakuake05:20
ap0conly been on Kubuntu for about a week05:21
tsimpsonpts/ usually means it's from a terminal emulator05:21
tsimpsonyou're not running more than one graphical session, just different instances of shells05:22
ap0cis :0 the graphical session?05:22
tsimpsonyes05:22
ap0cit says the pts/10 was around 10:37 which was 2-3 hours ago05:27
ap0cwhen I run ps aux | grep pts I just get pts/105:28
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ap0cI'll be back in a bit05:33
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lordievaderGood morning.08:44
jalomannGood morning08:46
lordievaderHey jalomann, how are you?08:50
jalomannI am fine, thanks.08:50
jalomannHow are you on Sunday morning?08:51
lordievaderDoing good here :)08:52
jalomannI am hanging around here to see if there any improvement with installation problem that many people seem to have.08:55
lordievaderWhat installation problem?08:56
jalomannI am little bit worried what's up on distrowatch.08:57
jalomanniso file won't boot. I had the same and when I follow the question it is common.08:57
jalomannI had to install lubuntu on my third desktop.08:59
lordievaderTrusty iso that won't boot? If correctly burned or converted to an live-usb, then it is the first time I've heard of it.08:59
jalomannCould be if the problem is solved. But I burned at least 10 DVDs without success.09:00
lordievaderTry a live-usb with unetbootin ;)09:00
jalomannlordievader: Ok. Thanks. I can try that next time. Usually I make USB-stick with Kubuntu - Start up disk creator09:05
valorieit doesn't seem to be working well lately09:07
valorienot sure why09:07
valorieworked six months ago09:07
jalomannYes. I noticed the problem first on 14.04 when I updated.09:08
libreSSLI always use Unetbootin09:08
jalomannBut is there a way to use DVD installation?09:09
valoriek3b doesn't do it?09:09
valorieI've never had a problem that way09:10
jalomannI burned at least 10 DVDs - without success.09:11
lordievaderjalomann: What is the content of those DVD's?09:12
valoriedid you verify the ISO?09:12
valoriebefore burning09:12
jalomannContent kubuntu iso. Yes, I verified.09:13
lordievaderjalomann: Just one iso file?09:13
jalomannI have done it done several times before. And I burned lubuntu with same setup.09:14
jalomannYes. One iso file.09:14
lordievaderjalomann: Yeah, that is not going to work.09:14
valoriewhat isn't going to work?09:14
jalomann?09:14
valorieI've done that a million times09:15
lordievaderjalomann: An iso is a virtual representation of a cd. Your burning program needs to understand that you want to burn the contents of the iso to the cd.09:15
valorieok, that's an exaggeration09:15
lordievadervalorie: Putting the iso itself on the disc ain't going to work...09:15
valorieI see what you are saying09:15
valoriek3b knows how to do it though09:15
valoriejust fine09:15
lordievaderIf you tell it to.09:15
valorieeven does the verification before and after09:16
lordievaderjalomann: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto09:16
jalomannThanks. But I burned Lubuntu DVD with same setup to test it. And it worked just fine.09:17
lordievaderCompare the contents of the Lubuntu DVD with one of your (non-working) Kubuntu DVD's.09:19
jalomannThe case is that I managed to install my boxes but when I tried to promote Kubuntu to my friends I noticed that all 14.04 LTS and 14.10 are not bootable. I burned 13.10 for them which still installs.09:22
jalomannI could also make some testing with blank hard disks but it is now too difficult to boot.09:23
MoonUnit`if i delete programs in kickoff menu edit and this still show up when i search in kickoff is that a baloo problem?10:34
WalexMoonUnit`: that's not an accurate question...11:10
WalexMoonUnit`: what you are manipulating is '.desktop' files and mentions of '.desktop' files.11:11
WalexMoonUnit`: when you delete something from the menu, you are not deleting the '.desktop' file, just its mention in that menu.11:11
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MoonUnit`got it, thanks Walex11:22
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Walexjalomann: when you mount the burned DVD, if you see a single '.iso' file you have burned it wrong.11:28
jalomannWalex: No I don't. I see the files.11:29
Walexjalomann: also, after burning it you can checksum the DVD and compare with the checksum published on the web site (note: not the checksum of the '.iso' image, you need the original checksum from the web site).11:29
jalomannDid that as well.11:30
Walexjalomann: and what exactly does not work? I missed that from the discussion above, I was away11:30
jalomannBoot up stops with black screen only.11:31
Walexjalomann: I think that you said it does not boot, but what exactly do you see on the screen when you try to boot?11:31
jack_laptopHello, I was wondering what is the best way to use KDE 5 on Kubuntu? That is actually stable...?11:31
Walexjalomann: so you see nothing? That;s weird11:31
Walexjack_laptop: oh pleaasssseee....11:31
jack_laptop?11:31
Walexjack_laptop: every time I see a mention of KDE5 here I ask myself "why why why why why can't they wait for Kubuntu to package it up? What's the urgency?"11:32
jack_laptopWalex: Oh... I just like the look of it, if there is another way to copy the look well I shall use that...11:33
jack_laptopWalex: So it isn't in a newer release of Kubuntu or something?11:34
Walexjack_laptop: eventually... :-)11:34
jack_laptopSorry if I was interrupting, I think I caught you in a discussing with jalomann.11:34
jalomannNo problem at all.11:35
Walexjack_laptop: you could have a glance at kde-look.org to see if someone has backported that theme, or you could look at "Project Neon"11:35
jack_laptopWalex: I've been checking out kde-look.org, everything requires other themes to be installed though to get the theme to look like KDE 5 xD11:36
jack_laptopWalex: I shall check out Project Neon, thanks!11:36
Walexjalomann: have you tried booting the DVD with KVM/QEMU?11:37
Walexjack_laptop: https://launchpad.net/~neon/+archive/ubuntu/kf511:37
jalomannNo. I tried on hardware.11:37
Walexjalomann: because maybe there is some unfavourable setting in the hardware...11:37
jack_laptopWalex: Would it be more stable using this: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-plasma5/releases/utopic/beta-2/ ?11:38
jack_laptopAs I think I tried Project Neon, and it did not like my laptop very much...11:38
Walexjack_laptop: "more stable" for unreleased packages is a bit of a faint hope.11:39
jack_laptopWalex: Oh okay, fair enough11:39
jalomannYes I see. But I tried other distroes as well to pin down the problem.11:39
jalomannI would like to stay on Kubuntu when I changed. But this is not a minor problem I would say.11:40
Walexjalomann: quick and easy, something like: qemu-system-x86_64 -m 768 -cdrom /dev/dvd -boot d11:41
jalomannWalex: Ok. Hold on for a second. I'll change quessel to another pc.11:45
Walexjack_laptop: my expectation BTW is that both are fairly usable.11:47
jack_laptopWalex: Really?11:48
Walexjack_laptop: but I haven't tried either... I am still vigorously on 12.04 LTS with the 4.1x PPA.11:48
jack_laptopWalex: I might as well try the ISO before jumping ship a 4th time to another OS xD Been messing around with getting an OS I like the look of so...11:49
Walexjack_laptop: KDE4 is already almost infinitely customizable as to look... KDE5 was developer largely to make it better for developers, not users.11:50
jack_laptopWalex: True I have noticed a huge amount of customizability with KDE on Kubuntu as that was the reason I have stopped on this OS for now.11:51
jack_laptopWalex: All I really care is I can move the task bars where I want and change the colors/fonts (unless of course they already look good)11:51
jalomannWalex: I find only qemu-system-x86. Should it be qemu-system-x86_64?11:51
Walexjalomann: depends on whether your system is 32b or 64b. I use 64b so 'x86_64' works for me.11:53
Walexjalomann: you wouldn't perchance have downloaded the 64b installer for a CPU that can only do 32b?11:54
jalomannI have tried both. But no. My own box is 64b.11:55
jalomannapt-cache search shows only x8611:55
Walexjalomann: but then why do you only have the '-x86' qemu?11:55
jalomannI wonder should it be x86_6411:56
jalomannI thought I should install it first.11:56
Walexjalomann: what does 'uname -a' return?11:56
jalomannx86_6411:57
LinnakHi, I'd like to try KDE 5. Which iso is what 14.10  or utopic? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-plasma5/releases/11:57
* Walex notices another eager user...11:58
jack_laptopLOL Another person wanting to try KDE 5 hahahaaaa11:59
jalomannExcellent. Let's how the installation goes.11:59
lordievaderLinnak: The Plasma5 iso is based on Utopic (14.10), there is also a PPA available for Trusty.12:00
Linnaklordievader: Thanks12:01
Linnakjack_laptop: What is so funny?12:01
jack_laptopLinnak: I just asked the same thing a couple minutes ago xD12:04
LinnakAll right. And did you try?12:04
jack_laptopLinnak: I've tried the PPA, I believe and it wasn't very stable12:05
jack_laptopLinnak: Now downloading the ISO though...12:05
LinnakYou can use an ISO as well12:05
jack_laptopLinnak: If that doesn't work to Ubuntu Gnome to copy the Windows 8 Modern UI!12:05
Linnakhttp://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-plasma5/releases/14.10/beta-2/12:05
jack_laptopLinnak: Yep downloading that now12:05
jack_laptopFunny really as I said earlier in the week I don't like the idea of a UI like Android, now I'm basically wanting it...12:06
jack_laptopOh well12:06
Linnakjack_laptop: What stability issues did you have?12:06
jack_laptopLinnak: Well the desktop completely crashed...12:07
LinnakPfff12:07
jack_laptopLinnak: And rebooting it was still like it.12:07
LinnakNot good news12:07
LinnakI have now the ISO. Let's see it in Vbox12:07
jack_laptopHmm that's a good idea test it in VirtualBox first12:08
jack_laptopHmm...12:08
jack_laptopI shall do that instead of overwriting my HDD yet again12:08
BluesKajHiyas all12:08
LinnakWell I f**ked up an SSD with the lot of formatting. So I decided to use Vbox instead12:10
jalomannBoth installers Linnak and jack_laptop disappered.12:55
WalexVirtualBox is a bit buggy :-) QEMU/KVM tend to be much better under GNU/Linux13:17
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limbo_hallo! ich hab einen bug bei bugs.kde.org gemeldet wegen vielen Passwort prompts die bei mir aufkommen, wenn ich kubuntu starte, aber es es meldet sich dazu keiner. hab ich hier irgendetwas falsch gemacht? an die falsche stelle gewendet oder so?16:17
DarthFrog!de16:19
ubottuIn den meisten Ubuntu-Kanälen wird nur Englisch gesprochen. Für deutschsprachige Hilfe besuche bitte #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #edubuntu-de oder #ubuntu-at. Einfach "/join #ubuntu-de" eingeben. Danke für Dein Verständnis!16:19
limbo_sry! once again in english: i entered a bug at bugs.kde.org because of many password prompts after starting kubuntu, but got no answer. Have i done anything wrong? wrong place for this bug?16:36
BluesKajlimbo_,  many pw prompts, how do you mean?16:47
limbo_BluesKaj, it means, when I start my kubuntu with autologin, I got password prompts from the owncloud client, from akonadi modules syncing my calendars and so on. although I have all these passwords stored in the kwallet.17:35
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limbo_I get the password prompt for my wallet too. I normally enter the password in the kwallet password prompt and close all the other dialogs. but in case of the owncloud  client, i have to  right-click the client icon in the tasks panel and click to login.17:42
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BluesKajlimbo_, fwiw I don't use the wallet, but I'm the only user on this machine. USERNAME ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL in the sudoers file works for me, use sudo visudo and add the line to bottom of the file, so my experience with the wallet is practically nil.17:48
limbo_ok, but do you use the ownlcoud client and akonadi syncing owncloud calendars?17:56
BluesKajno to both17:56
limbo_and what does sudo for me in this case?17:56
BluesKajI don't use any PIM apps...guess I shouldn't have responed to your question since I can't help much17:57
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limbo_ok, seems it's not comprehensible for you ;)17:59
limbo_Is there anybody out there using the owncloud client and owncloud calendars with kde desktop clients?18:00
BluesKajI tried owncloud but really have no use for it and calendars etc18:00
Russia_hello anybody here?18:05
Russia_sorry for my languange, but i nee your help..18:05
BluesKajRussia_, just ask your question18:06
Russia_sombody who know what i must do if i want to move a window(program) from one desktop to other one...18:07
Russia_i have 3d Cube activate...18:07
Russia_i canT move  the window...18:07
Russia_what a have to set i my settings guys?18:08
Russia_nerxt question is i cant install windows7 in my virtualbox.... it is  a problem with HDD... i think.  WindowsXP is installed without any problems.18:09
BluesKajRussia_, right click on the application icon in the taskbar and choose move to desktop number18:09
Russia_That's true.. but i want to move it with mouse if i bring the windows near the desktopend...18:10
BluesKajmove to current dektop then18:11
Russia_you know what i mean?18:11
Russia_normaly in ubuntu i made some settings for cnage desktops automatic. if i move the program to the border18:12
Russia_the moved the program to next desktop18:12
Russia_here in Kubunto i can't find the settins18:12
Russia_in internet i cant find also..18:13
BluesKajI don't know what you mean18:13
Russia_ok...   i have actiovated  3d cube.18:14
Russia_i can move my windows from one desktop to other one if i click  to window  with rghtmouse and say move to desktop x18:14
Russia_but i want to move my window if i bring it near to the desktoprand18:15
Russia_from desktop 1 to desktop 2  only if i move the window with my mouse.18:16
Russia_you understand me now?18:16
BluesKajare you using pagers in the panel taskbar?  if not you can choose any number in systemsettings>workspace behaviour, then in the panel cashew add widgets and search for pagers18:18
BluesKajdesktoprand?18:18
Russia_desktop border18:19
BluesKajoh that , you're better off using the pager methos I mentioned above18:19
Russia_yes i use  pagers18:19
Russia_but it is not the same.18:19
Russia_i cant move my applications  between desktop to desktop only if i move it with mouse18:21
lordievaderRussia_: System Setting -> Workspace Behaviour -> Screen Edges -> Switch desktop on endge.18:21
Russia_Lordievader - i cant finde the Screen Edges..18:22
BluesKajlordievader, good one , never tried that18:22
lordievaderRussia_: Is under the Other Settings divider.18:23
Russia_i see task switscher ,windows behavieor KWin scripts18:23
Russia_ and window rulls18:23
lordievaderRussia_: Then you have the wrong window in front of you.18:23
Russia_hm...18:23
lordievaderRussia_: You need Workspace Behaviour not Window Behaviour.18:24
Russia_Yes you right...18:25
Russia_YEAAAAAAAAA18:26
Russia_it works!!!18:26
BluesKajdunno why it's such a big deal tho18:26
Russia_lordievader!!!! YOu are my HEro for today!!!18:26
Russia_Nice....18:26
Russia_thy is wxact what i will...18:26
* BluesKaj shakes his head in wonder18:27
Russia_Now the next question...  I try to install the Windows 7 on my virtualbox..18:27
Russia_it is doesnt work. the filecopy(extract) stay always on 0 %18:28
Russia_windowsXP is installles without problems...  all is working.. USB etc...18:28
lordievaderRussia_: Err this is not the topic for Windows issues ;)18:28
Russia_nno no no...  i try to install on virtual bOx in Kubuntu :)18:29
lordievaderRussia_: Yes, but the issue is likely with VBox or Windows ;)18:30
Russia_Ok i understand...18:31
Russia_but You saved my day ;)))18:31
Russia_Thank's guys!!!!!18:32
Russia_have a nice day... or evening...    time...18:32
lordievaderRussia_: Same to you.18:33
limbo_is there anybody here with a owncloud client?19:02
parzzixI have it19:03
limbo_ok, and do you use this client with kde?19:04
limbo_storing your pw in the kwallet?19:04
alex_rockis there any program that can transform speech to text?19:04
parzzixYes I do limbo_19:05
limbo_when i start my desktop with autologin I get prompted to enter the my owncloud password for the oc client and for my akonadi calendars (also from oc) AND for the first application which wants to get a password from kwallet..19:08
limbo_parzzix: do you have any other applications, starting up at boot time, which needs a password from kwallet? do you even use kwallet?19:10
parzzixlimbo_: I don't use kwallet to be honest. It tends to be a pain.19:11
limbo_parzzix: oh I guess.. so you enter all your passwords when you use your clients on every start of your system?19:12
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parzzixlimbo_: yes sir19:14
limbo_@parzzix: ok, thx.19:17
parzzix@limbo_sorry, wish I could be of more help...my I will try kwallet again and see what troubles I run inti.19:18
limbo_@parzzix: i filed a bug for this problem. https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=339767  when you are able to reproduce this problem, maybe you could add your experience there..19:21
ubottuKDE bug 339767 in general "many password prompts after startup (including kwallet)" [Minor,Unconfirmed]19:21
limbo_yes, its mine..19:22
limbo_but as you can see, i got no answer there and so i tried to see if i get some help or at least  anybody who has the same problem @IRC19:23
parzzix@limbo_will do19:29
ugly_catIN dire need of some help here: http://paste.kde.org/pu4emrbkz19:43
ugly_catPlasma shell wont load19:43
Walexand which version of KDE are you using on what system/distro?20:06
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