[01:20] <bono> hello, im glad join on kubutu
[01:24] <valorie> hi bono, can we help?
[01:25] <bono> nothing, im just join now
[01:26] <valorie> cool
[01:42] <M1keHoax> Good evening, is anyone able to help me with netflix?
[01:49] <valorie> hmmm, let's see if ubottu knows
[01:49] <valorie> !netflix
[01:50] <valorie> heh
[01:51] <rww> as i understand it, the current recommended incantation involves google-chrome and doesn't use WINE
[01:53] <malcolm> sorry
[02:37] <ugly_cat> How can I make it so it is only possible to drag the window from the title bar?
[02:37] <ugly_cat> in plasma next
[03:47] <jpwhiting> hey all, is anyone in here playing with project neon by chance ?
[03:48] <jpwhiting> I have a question about what's in some package to try to solve a bug just reported on bugs.kde.org
[04:00] <valorie> quite a few users in the past, but there were some bumps a few weeks ago
[04:01] <jpwhiting> np, I think I asked good questions anyway, we'll see
[04:02] <jpwhiting> which releases of *buntu can install that ppa ? raring? quantal? something newer ?
[04:02] <jpwhiting> I'll try it on a vm here and see if I can recreate the problem
[04:03] <rww> i think PPAs are generally published for supported versions, so "something newer" indeed
[04:03] <rww> since both raring and quantal are EOL
[04:03] <jpwhiting> ah, I haven't used buntu in quite some time then, /me checks what this old kubuntu vm is running
[04:04] <jpwhiting> precise, oops
[04:04]  * jpwhiting makes a new one with a released iso and then will add the ppa :)
[04:06] <valorie> https://community.kde.org/Plasma/Packages#Kubuntu
[04:06]  * jpwhiting grabs kubuntu-14.04 iso
[04:07] <valorie> so 14.04 + neon5, 14.10+/next
[04:21] <ap0c> is upgrading from 14.04 to 14.10 simple?
[04:22] <ap0c> I never really upgraded distros before
[04:36] <valorie> ap0c: yes, it was a bit rough back in the alpha days
[04:36] <valorie> on this computer, I'll upgrade once i've got my backup box running again
[04:37] <valorie> I only reinstall when necessary
[04:41] <ap0c> will 14.10 be an LTS?
[04:41] <ap0c> I still don't exactly know what LTS means, I think it stands for Long Term Stable
[04:44] <tsimpson> LTS is Long Term Support, 14.04 is the latest LTS release
[04:45] <tsimpson> they're released every two years and are supported for 5 years (though some flavours have a different support period)
[04:52] <valorie> ap0c: no, 14.04 is the LTS
[04:52] <valorie> and the S is for support
[04:52] <valorie> 14.10 might be a bit wild and wooly, if past history is any predictor
[04:53] <ap0c> thanks valorie, I was just doing a little googling on the subject
[04:53] <ap0c> and tsimpson ^
[04:54] <valorie> sometimes I upgrade early
[04:54] <valorie> no hurry this time
[04:54] <ap0c> I'll probably stick with 14.04
[04:54] <ap0c> unless there is a compelling reason to switch
[04:54] <valorie> what compells me is I love the new stuff
[05:11] <ap0c> when I type users in the CLI , I have 3 instances of my own username
[05:14] <tsimpson> ap0c: you're logged in more than once, keep in mind that shell sessions are separate logins
[05:16] <ap0c> tsimpson is there a way to log off my old sessions?
[05:16] <ap0c> or will there be 4 users if I am running 4 workspaces?
[05:16] <ap0c> yakuake is in each workspace but it's the same terminal
[05:16] <tsimpson> if you're logged into KDE, and you have a terminal open, that's 2 logins
[05:17] <tsimpson> one in which the plasma desktop is running, and one in which the shell inside the terminal is running
[05:17] <ap0c> there are 4 users total when I type uptime
[05:17] <ap0c> are the other 2 root and guest?
[05:17] <ap0c> even though I disabled the guest
[05:18] <tsimpson> have a look at the output of the "who" command
[05:19] <ap0c> :0, pts/1 , pts/10
[05:19] <ap0c> all the same user
[05:20] <tsimpson> do you have more than one tab open in yakuake?
[05:20] <tsimpson> and/or other terminal
[05:20] <tsimpson> each one will be a separate login
[05:20] <ap0c> I didn't even know there were other tabs in yakuake
[05:21] <ap0c> only been on Kubuntu for about a week
[05:21] <tsimpson> pts/ usually means it's from a terminal emulator
[05:22] <tsimpson> you're not running more than one graphical session, just different instances of shells
[05:22] <ap0c> is :0 the graphical session?
[05:22] <tsimpson> yes
[05:27] <ap0c> it says the pts/10 was around 10:37 which was 2-3 hours ago
[05:28] <ap0c> when I run ps aux | grep pts I just get pts/1
[05:33] <ap0c> I'll be back in a bit
[08:44] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:46] <jalomann> Good morning
[08:50] <lordievader> Hey jalomann, how are you?
[08:50] <jalomann> I am fine, thanks.
[08:51] <jalomann> How are you on Sunday morning?
[08:52] <lordievader> Doing good here :)
[08:55] <jalomann> I am hanging around here to see if there any improvement with installation problem that many people seem to have.
[08:56] <lordievader> What installation problem?
[08:57] <jalomann> I am little bit worried what's up on distrowatch.
[08:57] <jalomann> iso file won't boot. I had the same and when I follow the question it is common.
[08:59] <jalomann> I had to install lubuntu on my third desktop.
[08:59] <lordievader> Trusty iso that won't boot? If correctly burned or converted to an live-usb, then it is the first time I've heard of it.
[09:00] <jalomann> Could be if the problem is solved. But I burned at least 10 DVDs without success.
[09:00] <lordievader> Try a live-usb with unetbootin ;)
[09:05] <jalomann> lordievader: Ok. Thanks. I can try that next time. Usually I make USB-stick with Kubuntu - Start up disk creator
[09:07] <valorie> it doesn't seem to be working well lately
[09:07] <valorie> not sure why
[09:07] <valorie> worked six months ago
[09:08] <jalomann> Yes. I noticed the problem first on 14.04 when I updated.
[09:08] <libreSSL> I always use Unetbootin
[09:09] <jalomann> But is there a way to use DVD installation?
[09:09] <valorie> k3b doesn't do it?
[09:10] <valorie> I've never had a problem that way
[09:11] <jalomann> I burned at least 10 DVDs - without success.
[09:12] <lordievader> jalomann: What is the content of those DVD's?
[09:12] <valorie> did you verify the ISO?
[09:12] <valorie> before burning
[09:13] <jalomann> Content kubuntu iso. Yes, I verified.
[09:13] <lordievader> jalomann: Just one iso file?
[09:14] <jalomann> I have done it done several times before. And I burned lubuntu with same setup.
[09:14] <jalomann> Yes. One iso file.
[09:14] <lordievader> jalomann: Yeah, that is not going to work.
[09:14] <valorie> what isn't going to work?
[09:14] <jalomann> ?
[09:15] <valorie> I've done that a million times
[09:15] <lordievader> jalomann: An iso is a virtual representation of a cd. Your burning program needs to understand that you want to burn the contents of the iso to the cd.
[09:15] <valorie> ok, that's an exaggeration
[09:15] <lordievader> valorie: Putting the iso itself on the disc ain't going to work...
[09:15] <valorie> I see what you are saying
[09:15] <valorie> k3b knows how to do it though
[09:15] <valorie> just fine
[09:15] <lordievader> If you tell it to.
[09:16] <valorie> even does the verification before and after
[09:16] <lordievader> jalomann: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto
[09:17] <jalomann> Thanks. But I burned Lubuntu DVD with same setup to test it. And it worked just fine.
[09:19] <lordievader> Compare the contents of the Lubuntu DVD with one of your (non-working) Kubuntu DVD's.
[09:22] <jalomann> The case is that I managed to install my boxes but when I tried to promote Kubuntu to my friends I noticed that all 14.04 LTS and 14.10 are not bootable. I burned 13.10 for them which still installs.
[09:23] <jalomann> I could also make some testing with blank hard disks but it is now too difficult to boot.
[10:34] <MoonUnit`> if i delete programs in kickoff menu edit and this still show up when i search in kickoff is that a baloo problem?
[11:10] <Walex> MoonUnit`: that's not an accurate question...
[11:11] <Walex> MoonUnit`: what you are manipulating is '.desktop' files and mentions of '.desktop' files.
[11:11] <Walex> MoonUnit`: when you delete something from the menu, you are not deleting the '.desktop' file, just its mention in that menu.
[11:22] <MoonUnit`> got it, thanks Walex
[11:28] <Walex> jalomann: when you mount the burned DVD, if you see a single '.iso' file you have burned it wrong.
[11:29] <jalomann> Walex: No I don't. I see the files.
[11:29] <Walex> jalomann: also, after burning it you can checksum the DVD and compare with the checksum published on the web site (note: not the checksum of the '.iso' image, you need the original checksum from the web site).
[11:30] <jalomann> Did that as well.
[11:30] <Walex> jalomann: and what exactly does not work? I missed that from the discussion above, I was away
[11:31] <jalomann> Boot up stops with black screen only.
[11:31] <Walex> jalomann: I think that you said it does not boot, but what exactly do you see on the screen when you try to boot?
[11:31] <jack_laptop> Hello, I was wondering what is the best way to use KDE 5 on Kubuntu? That is actually stable...?
[11:31] <Walex> jalomann: so you see nothing? That;s weird
[11:31] <Walex> jack_laptop: oh pleaasssseee....
[11:31] <jack_laptop> ?
[11:32] <Walex> jack_laptop: every time I see a mention of KDE5 here I ask myself "why why why why why can't they wait for Kubuntu to package it up? What's the urgency?"
[11:33] <jack_laptop> Walex: Oh... I just like the look of it, if there is another way to copy the look well I shall use that...
[11:34] <jack_laptop> Walex: So it isn't in a newer release of Kubuntu or something?
[11:34] <Walex> jack_laptop: eventually... :-)
[11:34] <jack_laptop> Sorry if I was interrupting, I think I caught you in a discussing with jalomann.
[11:35] <jalomann> No problem at all.
[11:35] <Walex> jack_laptop: you could have a glance at kde-look.org to see if someone has backported that theme, or you could look at "Project Neon"
[11:36] <jack_laptop> Walex: I've been checking out kde-look.org, everything requires other themes to be installed though to get the theme to look like KDE 5 xD
[11:36] <jack_laptop> Walex: I shall check out Project Neon, thanks!
[11:37] <Walex> jalomann: have you tried booting the DVD with KVM/QEMU?
[11:37] <Walex> jack_laptop: https://launchpad.net/~neon/+archive/ubuntu/kf5
[11:37] <jalomann> No. I tried on hardware.
[11:37] <Walex> jalomann: because maybe there is some unfavourable setting in the hardware...
[11:38] <jack_laptop> Walex: Would it be more stable using this: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-plasma5/releases/utopic/beta-2/ ?
[11:38] <jack_laptop> As I think I tried Project Neon, and it did not like my laptop very much...
[11:39] <Walex> jack_laptop: "more stable" for unreleased packages is a bit of a faint hope.
[11:39] <jack_laptop> Walex: Oh okay, fair enough
[11:39] <jalomann> Yes I see. But I tried other distroes as well to pin down the problem.
[11:40] <jalomann> I would like to stay on Kubuntu when I changed. But this is not a minor problem I would say.
[11:41] <Walex> jalomann: quick and easy, something like: qemu-system-x86_64 -m 768 -cdrom /dev/dvd -boot d
[11:45] <jalomann> Walex: Ok. Hold on for a second. I'll change quessel to another pc.
[11:47] <Walex> jack_laptop: my expectation BTW is that both are fairly usable.
[11:48] <jack_laptop> Walex: Really?
[11:48] <Walex> jack_laptop: but I haven't tried either... I am still vigorously on 12.04 LTS with the 4.1x PPA.
[11:49] <jack_laptop> Walex: I might as well try the ISO before jumping ship a 4th time to another OS xD Been messing around with getting an OS I like the look of so...
[11:50] <Walex> jack_laptop: KDE4 is already almost infinitely customizable as to look... KDE5 was developer largely to make it better for developers, not users.
[11:51] <jack_laptop> Walex: True I have noticed a huge amount of customizability with KDE on Kubuntu as that was the reason I have stopped on this OS for now.
[11:51] <jack_laptop> Walex: All I really care is I can move the task bars where I want and change the colors/fonts (unless of course they already look good)
[11:51] <jalomann> Walex: I find only qemu-system-x86. Should it be qemu-system-x86_64?
[11:53] <Walex> jalomann: depends on whether your system is 32b or 64b. I use 64b so 'x86_64' works for me.
[11:54] <Walex> jalomann: you wouldn't perchance have downloaded the 64b installer for a CPU that can only do 32b?
[11:55] <jalomann> I have tried both. But no. My own box is 64b.
[11:55] <jalomann> apt-cache search shows only x86
[11:55] <Walex> jalomann: but then why do you only have the '-x86' qemu?
[11:56] <jalomann> I wonder should it be x86_64
[11:56] <jalomann> I thought I should install it first.
[11:56] <Walex> jalomann: what does 'uname -a' return?
[11:57] <jalomann> x86_64
[11:57] <Linnak> Hi, I'd like to try KDE 5. Which iso is what 14.10  or utopic? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-plasma5/releases/
[11:58]  * Walex notices another eager user...
[11:59] <jack_laptop> LOL Another person wanting to try KDE 5 hahahaaaa
[11:59] <jalomann> Excellent. Let's how the installation goes.
[12:00] <lordievader> Linnak: The Plasma5 iso is based on Utopic (14.10), there is also a PPA available for Trusty.
[12:01] <Linnak> lordievader: Thanks
[12:01] <Linnak> jack_laptop: What is so funny?
[12:04] <jack_laptop> Linnak: I just asked the same thing a couple minutes ago xD
[12:04] <Linnak> All right. And did you try?
[12:05] <jack_laptop> Linnak: I've tried the PPA, I believe and it wasn't very stable
[12:05] <jack_laptop> Linnak: Now downloading the ISO though...
[12:05] <Linnak> You can use an ISO as well
[12:05] <jack_laptop> Linnak: If that doesn't work to Ubuntu Gnome to copy the Windows 8 Modern UI!
[12:05] <Linnak> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-plasma5/releases/14.10/beta-2/
[12:05] <jack_laptop> Linnak: Yep downloading that now
[12:06] <jack_laptop> Funny really as I said earlier in the week I don't like the idea of a UI like Android, now I'm basically wanting it...
[12:06] <jack_laptop> Oh well
[12:06] <Linnak> jack_laptop: What stability issues did you have?
[12:07] <jack_laptop> Linnak: Well the desktop completely crashed...
[12:07] <Linnak> Pfff
[12:07] <jack_laptop> Linnak: And rebooting it was still like it.
[12:07] <Linnak> Not good news
[12:07] <Linnak> I have now the ISO. Let's see it in Vbox
[12:08] <jack_laptop> Hmm that's a good idea test it in VirtualBox first
[12:08] <jack_laptop> Hmm...
[12:08] <jack_laptop> I shall do that instead of overwriting my HDD yet again
[12:08] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:10] <Linnak> Well I f**ked up an SSD with the lot of formatting. So I decided to use Vbox instead
[12:55] <jalomann> Both installers Linnak and jack_laptop disappered.
[13:17] <Walex> VirtualBox is a bit buggy :-) QEMU/KVM tend to be much better under GNU/Linux
[13:17] <lordievader> +1
[16:17] <limbo_> hallo! ich hab einen bug bei bugs.kde.org gemeldet wegen vielen Passwort prompts die bei mir aufkommen, wenn ich kubuntu starte, aber es es meldet sich dazu keiner. hab ich hier irgendetwas falsch gemacht? an die falsche stelle gewendet oder so?
[16:19] <DarthFrog> !de
[16:36] <limbo_> sry! once again in english: i entered a bug at bugs.kde.org because of many password prompts after starting kubuntu, but got no answer. Have i done anything wrong? wrong place for this bug?
[16:47] <BluesKaj> limbo_,  many pw prompts, how do you mean?
[17:35] <limbo_> BluesKaj, it means, when I start my kubuntu with autologin, I got password prompts from the owncloud client, from akonadi modules syncing my calendars and so on. although I have all these passwords stored in the kwallet.
[17:42] <limbo_> I get the password prompt for my wallet too. I normally enter the password in the kwallet password prompt and close all the other dialogs. but in case of the owncloud  client, i have to  right-click the client icon in the tasks panel and click to login.
[17:48] <BluesKaj> limbo_, fwiw I don't use the wallet, but I'm the only user on this machine. USERNAME ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL in the sudoers file works for me, use sudo visudo and add the line to bottom of the file, so my experience with the wallet is practically nil.
[17:56] <limbo_> ok, but do you use the ownlcoud client and akonadi syncing owncloud calendars?
[17:56] <BluesKaj> no to both
[17:56] <limbo_> and what does sudo for me in this case?
[17:57] <BluesKaj> I don't use any PIM apps...guess I shouldn't have responed to your question since I can't help much
[17:59] <limbo_> ok, seems it's not comprehensible for you ;)
[18:00] <limbo_> Is there anybody out there using the owncloud client and owncloud calendars with kde desktop clients?
[18:00] <BluesKaj> I tried owncloud but really have no use for it and calendars etc
[18:05] <Russia_> hello anybody here?
[18:05] <Russia_> sorry for my languange, but i nee your help..
[18:06] <BluesKaj> Russia_, just ask your question
[18:07] <Russia_> sombody who know what i must do if i want to move a window(program) from one desktop to other one...
[18:07] <Russia_> i have 3d Cube activate...
[18:07] <Russia_> i canT move  the window...
[18:08] <Russia_> what a have to set i my settings guys?
[18:09] <Russia_> nerxt question is i cant install windows7 in my virtualbox.... it is  a problem with HDD... i think.  WindowsXP is installed without any problems.
[18:09] <BluesKaj> Russia_, right click on the application icon in the taskbar and choose move to desktop number
[18:10] <Russia_> That's true.. but i want to move it with mouse if i bring the windows near the desktopend...
[18:11] <BluesKaj> move to current dektop then
[18:11] <Russia_> you know what i mean?
[18:12] <Russia_> normaly in ubuntu i made some settings for cnage desktops automatic. if i move the program to the border
[18:12] <Russia_> the moved the program to next desktop
[18:12] <Russia_> here in Kubunto i can't find the settins
[18:13] <Russia_> in internet i cant find also..
[18:13] <BluesKaj> I don't know what you mean
[18:14] <Russia_> ok...   i have actiovated  3d cube.
[18:14] <Russia_> i can move my windows from one desktop to other one if i click  to window  with rghtmouse and say move to desktop x
[18:15] <Russia_> but i want to move my window if i bring it near to the desktoprand
[18:16] <Russia_> from desktop 1 to desktop 2  only if i move the window with my mouse.
[18:16] <Russia_> you understand me now?
[18:18] <BluesKaj> are you using pagers in the panel taskbar?  if not you can choose any number in systemsettings>workspace behaviour, then in the panel cashew add widgets and search for pagers
[18:18] <BluesKaj> desktoprand?
[18:19] <Russia_> desktop border
[18:19] <BluesKaj> oh that , you're better off using the pager methos I mentioned above
[18:19] <Russia_> yes i use  pagers
[18:19] <Russia_> but it is not the same.
[18:21] <Russia_> i cant move my applications  between desktop to desktop only if i move it with mouse
[18:21] <lordievader> Russia_: System Setting -> Workspace Behaviour -> Screen Edges -> Switch desktop on endge.
[18:22] <Russia_> Lordievader - i cant finde the Screen Edges..
[18:22] <BluesKaj> lordievader, good one , never tried that
[18:23] <lordievader> Russia_: Is under the Other Settings divider.
[18:23] <Russia_> i see task switscher ,windows behavieor KWin scripts
[18:23] <Russia_>  and window rulls
[18:23] <lordievader> Russia_: Then you have the wrong window in front of you.
[18:23] <Russia_> hm...
[18:24] <lordievader> Russia_: You need Workspace Behaviour not Window Behaviour.
[18:25] <Russia_> Yes you right...
[18:26] <Russia_> YEAAAAAAAAA
[18:26] <Russia_> it works!!!
[18:26] <BluesKaj> dunno why it's such a big deal tho
[18:26] <Russia_> lordievader!!!! YOu are my HEro for today!!!
[18:26] <Russia_> Nice....
[18:26] <Russia_> thy is wxact what i will...
[18:27]  * BluesKaj shakes his head in wonder
[18:27] <Russia_> Now the next question...  I try to install the Windows 7 on my virtualbox..
[18:28] <Russia_> it is doesnt work. the filecopy(extract) stay always on 0 %
[18:28] <Russia_> windowsXP is installles without problems...  all is working.. USB etc...
[18:28] <lordievader> Russia_: Err this is not the topic for Windows issues ;)
[18:29] <Russia_> nno no no...  i try to install on virtual bOx in Kubuntu :)
[18:30] <lordievader> Russia_: Yes, but the issue is likely with VBox or Windows ;)
[18:31] <Russia_> Ok i understand...
[18:31] <Russia_> but You saved my day ;)))
[18:32] <Russia_> Thank's guys!!!!!
[18:32] <Russia_> have a nice day... or evening...    time...
[18:33] <lordievader> Russia_: Same to you.
[19:02] <limbo_> is there anybody here with a owncloud client?
[19:03] <parzzix> I have it
[19:04] <limbo_> ok, and do you use this client with kde?
[19:04] <limbo_> storing your pw in the kwallet?
[19:04] <alex_rock> is there any program that can transform speech to text?
[19:05] <parzzix> Yes I do limbo_
[19:08] <limbo_> when i start my desktop with autologin I get prompted to enter the my owncloud password for the oc client and for my akonadi calendars (also from oc) AND for the first application which wants to get a password from kwallet..
[19:10] <limbo_> parzzix: do you have any other applications, starting up at boot time, which needs a password from kwallet? do you even use kwallet?
[19:11] <parzzix> limbo_: I don't use kwallet to be honest. It tends to be a pain.
[19:12] <limbo_> parzzix: oh I guess.. so you enter all your passwords when you use your clients on every start of your system?
[19:14] <parzzix> limbo_: yes sir
[19:17] <limbo_> @parzzix: ok, thx.
[19:18] <parzzix> @limbo_sorry, wish I could be of more help...my I will try kwallet again and see what troubles I run inti.
[19:21] <limbo_> @parzzix: i filed a bug for this problem. https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=339767  when you are able to reproduce this problem, maybe you could add your experience there..
[19:22] <limbo_> yes, its mine..
[19:23] <limbo_> but as you can see, i got no answer there and so i tried to see if i get some help or at least  anybody who has the same problem @IRC
[19:29] <parzzix> @limbo_will do
[19:43] <ugly_cat> IN dire need of some help here: http://paste.kde.org/pu4emrbkz
[19:43] <ugly_cat> Plasma shell wont load
[20:06] <Walex> and which version of KDE are you using on what system/distro?