[00:29] <ali1234> wow, a not-terrible episode of doctor who
[04:13] <mapps> hi
[05:42] <mapps> yay got my vpn working
[06:27] <zmoylan-pi> what was it in the end?
[08:23] <MooDoo> yay mapps did it take long?
[08:31] <zmoylan-pi> i think mapps is sleeping the sleep of the victorious or watching dr. who over vpn. :-)
[09:00] <MooDoo> probably dr who that sent him to sleep :D
[09:13] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:28] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[13:55] <mapps> ya was sleeping
[13:56] <mapps> MooDoo,  not too long..not sure what i did wrong at first tho
[14:06] <mapps> hm
[14:06] <mapps> works on laptop but wont work on phone
[14:06] <mapps> phone connects but then wont load anything
[14:06] <mapps> ;(
[14:09] <mapps> Applied for a new bank ac yay..N&P Gold classic..no charges for abroad use either at cash point or purchases
[14:09] <Myrtti> I just had a glitch with Google's DNS
[14:09] <mapps> really bugs me paying £2 a time to get euros
[14:10] <brobostigon> elaborate please, mapps
[14:10] <brobostigon> elaborate please, Myrtti
[14:10] <brobostigon> tab failiure, sorry mapps
[14:11] <Myrtti> few moments went by when existing connections worked, but no new ones could establish, and I was silly enough to see if the whole internet went, despite seeing with my own eyes that IRC worked
[14:11] <Myrtti> pinged 8.8.8.8, of course it wouldn't reply
[14:12] <brobostigon> ah, i see.
[14:14] <mapps> and there i was thinking someone was gonna help me
[14:14] <mapps> :d
[14:37]  * Azelphur waves
[14:37] <Azelphur> anyone have any suggestions re curtains / blinds / smart film and home automation?
[14:39] <penguin42> make sure that any motors have appropriate thermal cutouts/timeouts
[14:39] <penguin42> anyway, I'd have thought Azelphur was more one for bond-villain type rivetted steel shutters dropping down
[14:40] <Azelphur> true xD
[14:40] <penguin42> although it's so difficult to get the sharks
[14:42] <brobostigon> "sharks with frickin laser beams attached to their frickin heads"
[14:49]  * penguin42 feels sorry for CPC - they're bargain corner includes a SCSI Ultra 320 terminator that's still #4.92 (down from #12.12) - only a decade or so late
[14:50] <penguin42> and their bargain_computer section also includes a 2 slice toaster
[15:36] <ali1234> hmm
[15:37] <penguin42> ?
[15:39] <ali1234> there are a large number of incorrect descriptions of catmul-clark subdivision on the internet
[15:39] <ali1234> wikipedia is wrong, any description in the first page of google results is wrong
[15:39] <penguin42> what's that?
[15:39] <ali1234> all the wrong descriptions don't even agree
[15:40] <ali1234> well it's a bit like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catmull%E2%80%93Clark_subdivision_surface
[15:40] <ali1234> except different
[15:40] <penguin42> oh, long time since I've looked at that type of stuff
[15:41] <ali1234> the original paper doesn't even make sense
[15:41]  * penguin42 assumes his copy of Foley and van Dam... has it
[15:42] <ali1234> i'm pretty sure catmull and clark were high when they invented this
[15:43] <penguin42> haha
[15:43] <ali1234> anyway this means i will have to look at the blender source code, because i know their implementation works properly
[15:43] <ali1234> but the blender source code is horrible :(
[15:45] <penguin42> perhaps look at meshlab?
[15:46] <ali1234> the situation i have is that i have a subdivided mesh exported from blender, so i know what the correct answer is. i also have an implementation of the algorithm, but it gives a different answer. and i know it is wrong because it looks uglier
[15:47] <penguin42> good measure of correctness
[16:06] <Azelphur> Thinking about buying a Zotac ZBOX ND01 to do XBMC on, thoughts?
[16:09] <daftykins> Azelphur: sounds like the old atom+ion1 combo?
[16:09] <daftykins> or was that the celeron
[16:09] <Azelphur> daftykins: it is indeed
[16:09] <daftykins> they're capable now and can bitstream DD 5.1 and DTS, but they're ancient so i'd not really want to buy one now
[16:10] <daftykins> sort of, late in the day for such hardware
[16:10] <daftykins> i run an ASRock Ion330HT-BD myself
[16:10] <daftykins> but the atom is such a weak-link :(
[16:12] <Azelphur> daftykins: the main reason I was buying that and not something new is because I found a cheap used one
[16:12] <Azelphur> and I can't really find anything to justify me paying more for something newer
[16:12] <Azelphur> I imagine the Zotac would run XBMC  just as well as anything newer would
[16:12] <daftykins> do you have a receiver?
[16:12] <Azelphur> daftykins: receiver?
[16:12] <zmoylan-pi> so it's more a marriage of convenience than the spc
[16:12] <daftykins> AV receiver, amplifier with HDMI
[16:12] <zmoylan-pi> *spec
[16:13] <Azelphur> daftykins: nope, I don't even have speakers :<
[16:13] <Azelphur> I need to get some though.
[16:13] <daftykins> O_O
[16:13] <daftykins> ok so you'd not be too fussed about surround audio formats then :>
[16:13] <Azelphur> daftykins: not overfly fussed, I do want to get some speakers, they are on my list too.
[16:13] <Azelphur> but I don't wanna fork out a million pounds
[16:13] <daftykins> they're definitely capable machines, i like running xbmcbuntu on mine as it's a nice simple dedicated setup
[16:13] <daftykins> Openelec might be even better
[16:14] <daftykins> marry it up with even a low-end SSD and the user experience is great
[16:14] <Azelphur> yea, I was thinking Openelec
[16:14] <daftykins> (just to make sure the thumbnails etc come up nice and promptly)
[16:14] <daftykins> i see Kodi (v14) is going beta
[16:15] <Azelphur> daftykins: do you have any recommendations for a more current cheapish box?
[16:15] <Azelphur> I can get the Zotac for £80
[16:16] <daftykins> hrmm
[16:16] <daftykins> Azelphur: i think anything good would be vastly inflated over that, if i were buying today i'd be looking at the broadwell celeron NUC or one of the gigabyte Brix models i think
[16:17] <Azelphur> yea, I've been recommended them, the NUC has a fan which kinda put me off
[16:17] <daftykins> depends if you'd be happy ditching optical, my ASRock has a bluray drive in but i've never attempted to use it beyond standard DVD films
[16:17] <Azelphur> and the Brix is like £100 base price, with no RAM or HDD :<
[16:17] <Azelphur> I'm ditching optical
[16:17] <daftykins> wise move, i only really play off my server over the network
[16:18]  * zmoylan-pi has ripped a tonne of movies from dvd in last few weeks that i got cheap from bargin bins
[16:18] <daftykins> heh
[16:18] <Azelphur> yes, all I do is play movies over the network from my microserver
[16:18] <zmoylan-pi> how much storage on your microserver?
[16:18] <Azelphur> daftykins: I was kinda tempted to get a BRIX with some firepower in it and set up dolphin and stuff
[16:18] <Azelphur> zmoylan-pi: 6+TB
[16:19] <daftykins> mmm emulation seems pretty popular with peoples HTPC setups
[16:19] <Azelphur> yea
[16:19] <daftykins> seems launching anything from within XBMC is where it gets messy though
[16:19] <daftykins> i only did my upgrade to gotham (v13.2) the other day, glad i did :D
[16:19] <Azelphur> daftykins: probably pass on that though, for the sake of Dolphin it isn't really worth hundreds more, and an Ion already has a decent amount of firepower for older emulation
[16:19] <daftykins> i have a firefox add-on with my laptop that i send youtube vids to it to play, back on Frodo (v12.3) it would crash XBMC about 8 times in 10
[16:20] <Azelphur> hehe
[16:20] <daftykins> with gotham it's perfect \o/
[16:20] <ali1234> ah, i see the problem
[16:20] <Azelphur> daftykins: how much does a BRIX cost for the bare minimum?
[16:21] <Azelphur> I'm not sure what parts they ship with/without tbh
[16:21] <daftykins> can't say i've ever looked into it
[16:21] <daftykins> Azelphur: if you ever catch fritsch active over in #xbmc though, he knows absolutely all of the ins and outs of all platforms, including far more use-cases than i would ever use, such as what deinterlacing methods for live TV each GPUs are capable of
[16:22] <daftykins> :D
[16:22] <Azelphur> I see, I bumped into a fellow like that in #xbmc the other day who recommended the NUC and the BRIX
[16:22] <daftykins> lol ebay has zotacs with i7's in
[16:23] <Azelphur> haha how much?
[16:23] <daftykins> 350+
[16:23] <daftykins> i think mine was 250 new back in the day
[16:23] <daftykins> we got about 3 of them for a clients house, one for the basement cinema room, two for bedrooms
[16:24] <daftykins> trouble is he buys his films on bluray and i've yet to come up with a decently user-friendly method of ripping those into his collection
[16:24] <daftykins> he's got 1,000 DVDs discless though
[16:24] <Azelphur> haha
[16:25] <daftykins> got any plans for remote usage, or will you just use the android app?
[16:25] <daftykins> or app(s) i should say
[16:25] <Azelphur> daftykins: remote usage?
[16:25] <zmoylan-pi> took me 18 months to rip my dvd collection on a mac mini. 2-3 dvds a day average
[16:25] <Azelphur> oh, right, yea just using the android app
[16:25] <zmoylan-pi> wore out the dvd drive
[16:26] <daftykins> :D
[16:26] <daftykins> i setup 4 of those nettop systems for ripping and we hired a kid to use those 4 and 2 of my clients desktop PCs in his office
[16:26] <daftykins> so he had 6 going at once
[16:26] <Azelphur> lol
[16:27] <daftykins> i think he took them home at some point too and started using all his family computers XD
[16:27] <zmoylan-pi> just been concientious and making a backup :-p
[16:28] <daftykins> holy crap his box came back all of its' own via SSH
[16:28] <daftykins> /dev/sdb1              11T  9.0T  2.0T  82% /media/array
[16:28] <daftykins> needs a storage upgrade soon ;)
[16:28] <daftykins> that's an 8 x 2TB RAID6
[16:28] <penguin42> or a clean out
[16:28] <daftykins> nah nothing can go.
[16:29] <daftykins> all his current films are 5.5TB
[16:30] <Azelphur> yea, I think I'll go with the Zotac, doesn't seem like these newer boxes have anything to offer really
[16:30] <daftykins> we just did 1:1 ISO dumps
[16:31] <daftykins> Azelphur: yeah, what i find limiting is that sometimes i want to watch stuff that's only available via browser - so i login to xbmcbuntu's LXDE session and try to fullscreen some nasty ugly flash player thing, which the atom does not have the beans for
[16:31] <daftykins> that was just some baseball games with US friends though so it wasn't a dealbreaker
[16:31] <Azelphur> daftykins: oh, that's no good
[16:31] <daftykins> normally i don't have to touch such nasty sources :D
[16:32] <Azelphur> but then I doubt I'll be doing that anyway tbh
[16:34] <daftykins> yeah, presumably you don't touch the streaming subscription services?
[16:34] <daftykins> i don't even have the vaguest clue about whether there is any support for those mind you
[16:35] <Azelphur> daftykins: yea I don't
[16:36] <Azelphur> daftykins: just playing files off a NFS share, and using XBMC's video streaming plugins.
[16:36] <daftykins> *nod*
[16:37] <daftykins> i don't even use any add-ons :>
[16:37] <daftykins> besides youtube and twitch, actually
[16:37] <Azelphur> yea I mostly just use youtube
[16:39] <ali1234> the pvr plugin is handy for controlling mythtv, it's miles better than myth-frontend
[16:40] <zmoylan-pi> hasn't anyone made a kinnect act as a remote for their linux pvr?  or does sitting still watching and listening to music annoy people? :-)
[16:40] <ali1234> voice/motion controls are a gimmick
[16:41] <ali1234> the tv remote is pretty much perfect technology, and anyone who claims otherwise is just trying to sell you something you don't want or need
[16:42] <shauno> it just lacks wheels.  I want a tv remote that can sneak 'home' after a night out, instead of hiding under the couch :/
[16:44] <penguin42> shauno: mount it on the top of a remote controlled car then
[16:44] <penguin42> or a bungee cord
[16:45] <shauno> heh, I'd just lose the remote for the car too.  I'm seriously messy
[16:45] <penguin42> mount that on ...
[16:45] <shauno> I was looking at http://jasperproject.github.io/ earlier, but I'm not sure xbmc would make a great use-case for it.  just based on the grammar alone, let alone the absurdity of having whole conversations with your TV
[16:46] <penguin42> oh very neat
[16:48] <daftykins> i only see a few minutes of broadcast TV here and there if i'm at a friends place or at my parents place these days, it's been years otherwise
[16:48] <daftykins> it's kind of a novelty for me to see now
[16:48] <daftykins> "wow, something's showing that i didn't decide to watch!"
[16:49] <shauno> heh, yeah.  it's kinda like spotify on your tv
[16:49] <daftykins> i... don't know as i've never tried that :D
[16:49] <shauno> except with more than one advert
[16:49] <daftykins> haha a contact has just bought a house in the south of Spain
[16:49] <shauno> (I don't know about you guys, but spotify just gives me ads for the same creditcard, all day every day)
[16:50] <daftykins> he sent me a pic of the ADSL router from Telefonica that's in the place
[16:50] <daftykins> it's so ghetto it refers to a 128-bit WEP key ;D
[16:50] <RV520__> anyone got any suggestions why i cant get the vpn ro work on  my phone;[ its workng fine on laptop
[16:51] <daftykins> did you update that nasty fruit thing of yours to iOS 8? ;)
[16:51] <shauno> I'm firmly of the opinion that your vpn hates you.  it doesn't help, but it might explain a few things
[16:51] <mapps> it connects and everything shows as connected in openvpn app but just wont reach any sites
[16:51] <mapps> nope daftykins
[16:51] <daftykins> tried a website by IP?
[16:51] <daftykins> just to rule out DNS
[16:51] <mapps> why would it work on y laptop and not on my phone
[16:51] <mapps> hm
[16:51] <mapps> no
[16:51] <mapps> what should i try? some dont work by ip
[16:51] <mapps> lets see
[16:52] <mapps> yep its dns
[16:52] <mapps> thanks:D
[16:52] <shauno> ubuntu.com works by IP alone.  there's an oddly topical example
[16:52] <daftykins> lol
[16:52] <mapps> il just add a push option in the config then
[16:52] <daftykins> shauno: quick get off topic!
[16:52] <mapps> and push the google DNS
[16:52] <daftykins> mapps: *nod* :)
[16:53] <mapps> :D
[16:53] <daftykins> well that was painless.
[16:54] <shauno> so so so nearly 6pm
[16:54] <daftykins> what happens then?
[16:54] <shauno> freedom!
[16:54] <daftykins> are you at work?
[16:54] <shauno> every friday I'll tell you I love weekend shifts, 24 hours with no adult supervision
[16:54] <mapps> heh
[16:54] <shauno> and every sunday evening I want to shove a pencil up my nose and scream 'wibble'
[16:56] <daftykins> with underwear on your head i hope
[16:56] <daftykins> for the true Blackadder effect
[16:57] <shauno> regretably I didn't bring spares.  I was in a hurry this morning
[16:57] <daftykins> :>
[17:20] <daftykins> i'm not a fan of this recent habit of sites having these hovering menu bars that float down with your scrolling, at the top of the page
[17:20] <daftykins> obscuring your view and reducing screen real estate
[17:26] <penguin42> daftykins: That actually lag a bit behind as well
[17:26] <daftykins> *nod*
[17:39] <shauno> they really confuse with osx/ios's tap to zoom stuff too.  you end up with a giant bar that slides down the page as you scroll down
[17:59]  * SuperEngineer thinks [looking at the last few comments] that daftykins & penguin42 are hi-as-a-kite!   
[17:59] <SuperEngineer> " hovering menu bars that float down"
[18:00] <SuperEngineer> "That actually lag a bit behind"
[18:00] <SuperEngineer> ;)
[18:00] <SuperEngineer> [& eveninks folks]
[18:00] <daftykins> ;)
[18:00] <daftykins> heya
[18:05] <SuperEngineer> got called to a site today [must remain nameless off course] coz the company wanted the "logic unit" replaced [pc to you & I]...
[18:05] <SuperEngineer> because the customer touch screen "was unresponsive"...
[18:07] <SuperEngineer> ...made I laugh - the screen was blank - as in R.I.P.... but the customer's contract states I have to replace whatever they requexted!
[18:08] <SuperEngineer> ...can we all guess how much difference it made boys & girls [you only have 2 chances at this answer!]
[18:12] <zmoylan-pi> still i once called hp on site to fix a wonky pc. first they replaced the hd. still wonky
[18:12] <zmoylan-pi> on trip 2 they replaced the ram, still wonky
[18:13] <zmoylan-pi> on trip 3 they replaced the power supply, still wonky
[18:13] <zmoylan-pi> on trip 4 they replaced the cpu, still wonky
[18:13] <SuperEngineer> zmoylan-pi: did they try turning it off & back on again :D
[18:13] <zmoylan-pi> on trip 5 they replaced the motherboard, still wonky
[18:14] <zmoylan-pi> it was only when they replaced the case it worked.  as far as i could tell it was a short from the motherboard to the case that was causing it.  i had tried telling them but they had to follow procedure
[18:15] <SuperEngineer> what happened on trip 7... they bought a letter asking you to be a consultant because they were useless?
[18:16] <zmoylan-pi> hell no, the turnover of their staff was insane, never the same engineer twice
[18:16] <SuperEngineer> [on the bright side... think of how many brand new shiny pieces of unesse
[18:16] <SuperEngineer> unnecessary hardware you have!
[18:17] <zmoylan-pi> well i'm a pack rat and after 8-9 pcs had major repairs usually had enough parts left over to make a new pc :-)
[18:17] <SuperEngineer> lol
[18:19] <shauno> does the uk not have a 'lemon law'?
[18:20] <SuperEngineer> zmoylan-pi: [now stick a magnet on the hard drive and see how many visits it takes for them to work that one out]
[18:20] <shauno> most variants give them something like 'three strikes' to resolve the issue (assuming you're entitled to a resolution, eg warranty) before you can declare it a lemon and ask for a full replacement
[18:22] <SuperEngineer> Isn't the term "lemon£ usually applied to cars?
[18:24] <shauno> usually yeah, but the US equivalent covers most consumer goods (on a state-by-state basis, because they're nuts)
[18:24] <SuperEngineer> as in "every time I turn the ignition on, the engine catches fire"... & thank you very much but a fire extinguisher is not the solution!
[18:25] <SuperEngineer> ;)
[18:34] <SuperEngineer> soory about the sudden disappearance - I use compiz for expo & just had a total x-crash!  tried all but only way out was a quick REISUB - doh!
[18:35] <SuperEngineer> ...which reminds me: how will I get my beloved expo mode if compiz stops being used :(
[18:36] <ali1234> stop using unity?
[18:36] <SuperEngineer> ali1234: :D
[18:37] <SuperEngineer> [you must be telepathic!]
[18:40] <shauno> hobnobs should be banned
[18:41] <penguin42> shauno: I'm happy to enforce the confiscation part of that ban
[18:42] <shauno> or at least come in packets of, eg, 5.  so I don't feel quite so bad when I finish it in 30 minutes
[18:42] <ali1234> whats wrong with hobnobs
[18:42] <shauno> they're gone.  that's what's wrong.
[18:43] <daftykins> i love the chocolate topped ones
[18:44]  * SuperEngineer hands shauno some vitual flour, butter, oats etc... oh... & a virtual oven
[18:47] <SuperEngineer> oooh! don't forget... Dr Who repeat of last night's [classic] episode at 8 [BST] ...
[18:47] <SuperEngineer> but being a Dr Who "repeat", it can not be a repeat of course, just a time traveller's memories
[19:03] <SuperEngineer> darn! & "the Day The Earth Stood Still" at the same time.  No fair! [it's as bad as having to choose Linux distros... but this time - The Dr wins!]
[19:10] <penguin42> Klaatu Berada Nicto!
[19:13] <shauno> gesundheit?
[19:14] <penguin42> shauno: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klaatu_barada_nikto
[19:17] <zmoylan-pi> don't they teach the kids the classics anymore?! :-)
[19:17] <penguin42> indeed
[19:25] <SuperEngineer> not wishing to be pedantic... but you mean "Klaatu Barada Nikto"
[19:25] <SuperEngineer> don't they teach correct interstellar spelling either ?!
[19:31] <SuperEngineer> [wow! even google pops up wth "Did you mean: Klaatu Barada Nikto" if it's spelt incorrectly.... worried now.
[20:10] <zmoylan-pi> in the film when it is first said to my ear it sounds like gort, klatu barada niktoe and when he asks her to repeat it she says gort, klatu barada niktuu iirc
[20:13] <ali1234> that's the basis of this joke: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VtcOCHePB4