[00:00] <owen1> EriC^^: coool
[00:00] <owen1> hopefuly ubuntu will just use upstart. it's a bit confusing that there are 2 systems
[00:01] <bekks> owen1: Ubuntu is using Upstart for years now.
[00:01] <bekks> owen1: Actually there are three: SYSV, Upstart, systemd.
[00:02] <bodhi_zazen> ubuntu (and debian) are  transitioning to systemd
[00:03] <owen1> bodhi_zazen: oh. thanks for that info. i'll focus my learning on systemd
[00:04] <bodhi_zazen> owen1, it will take some time to transition
[00:05] <bekks> owen1: It will take some years, actually.
[00:05] <owen1> so for now i have to know all 3
[00:06] <bekks> owen1: No. Ubuntu does not use SYSV for years now. It currently uses Upstart - thats what you need to know :)
[00:07] <owen1> bekks: so how come is see + sign next to a few services (service --status-all)
[00:08] <owen1> and is this the way to list all the upstart services - initctl list ?
[00:09] <bekks> owen1: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/
[00:11] <owen1> reading. thanks
[00:12] <Guest41162>  http://ubottu.com/y/dl
[00:13] <limpc> hi, im trying to figure out this frequency scaling issue im having.  I cant seem to reliably set the governor - it seems stuck in 'ondemand', no matter what i set it to, and my scaling options seem limited to only 800mhz or the full 3ghz.  i have a phenom II x6
[00:15] <daftykins> limpc: and what power states is yours meant to offer?
[00:16] <dominic_> someone tells me on to delete a game from steam on my computer
[00:16] <daftykins> can you phrase that as a question?
[00:17] <dominic_> can someone tell me how to delete a game on my computer
[00:17] <clumsy_bot> dominic_: If you want to remove that specific game, you're going to have to login to Steam and remove it from there.
[00:18] <AlexQ> EriC^^: I came back and there was the boot options menu. Does that mean the MFT was found or not xD?
[00:18] <AlexQ> yeah, can always check the log out. I'll write for now
[00:18] <B0bsF1sh> How can I get this installed? sudo apt-get install libxml-simple-perl - I get the message "The following packages have unmet dependencies: libxml-simple-perl : Depends: libxml-sax-perl but it is not going to be installed Depends: libxml-libxml-perl but it is not going to be installed or libxml-sax-expat-perl but it is not going to be installed E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages."
[00:18] <clumsy_bot> dominic_: If you want to remove Steam the application, you're going to have to run 'apt-get remove steam'
[00:18] <EriC^^> AlexQ: ok
[00:18] <clumsy_bot> B0bsF1sh: You've got a few broken dependencies.
[00:19] <limpc> daftykins, not sure what you mean. it supports dynamic frequency scaling.
[00:19] <limpc> i have an x6 1075T
[00:20] <daftykins> limpc: right so how many states does it support? i.e. intermediary clock states
[00:20] <limpc> im not sure about that, where can i find the info?
[00:20] <daftykins> online
[00:22] <AlexQ> EriC^^: You could have a look at the TestDisk log maybe... http://paste.ubuntu.com/8587960/
[00:22] <EriC^^> ok
[00:22] <AlexQ> If it means that any MFT was found or not
[00:23] <AlexQ> I'll try to reboot :)
[00:24] <limpc> daftykins:  3.00 GHz, 2.30 GHz, 1.60 GHz, 800 MHz
[00:25] <daftykins> limpc: and what are you judging the clocks from to tell what states it goes into?
[00:25] <limpc> cpufreq-indicator
[00:27] <daftykins> hmm
[00:27] <daftykins> limpc: in fairness if the load is high enough it'll only want to go into the max state. but one school of thought is that it makes sense to go to the highest clock all the time as it means returning to idle quicker
[00:27] <daftykins> depends what you're trying to achieve
[00:28] <clumsy_bot> Recommendation for the power savings is to use the ondemand governor.
[00:28] <AlexQ> EriC^^: Unfortunately... th esame
[00:29] <EriC^^> does sudo parted -l list them all
[00:29] <EriC^^> it said in the log it needs to rebuild the ntfs bs to access any files, and that it failed
[00:29] <EriC^^> it tried a bunch of mft's but they didn't work
[00:30] <AlexQ> the same result* - scanning on bootup and no files table and unable to recover
[00:30] <AlexQ> EriC^^: I guess it does, I'm on Windows now
[00:30] <OerHeks> i still wonder what makes you think that any data survived after that extended-to-normal partition operation
[00:31] <OerHeks> and possibly an corrupted mbr by a virus, it is windows you know
[00:33] <AlexQ> OerHeks: Why wouldn't it survive? + it has survived on other drives
[00:33] <daftykins> virus, maybe if it were the 90s ;)
[00:35] <OerHeks> "it has survived on other drives" ?
[00:35] <AlexQ> OerHeks: Yeah, the NTFS Win7 one (C:) and that recovery drive
[00:36] <bodhi_zazen> daftykins, I am afraid "virus" means "malware" to many users and the term is used most indiscriminately
[00:36] <OerHeks> That would be at the beginning of your drive, you missed a part at the end.
[00:36] <AlexQ> OerHeks: When did I miss?
[00:37] <OerHeks>  AlexQ before moveing extended to primairy partitions,  your free space should have been in 172247039 -591677439
[00:38] <OerHeks> we figured that out
[00:38] <daftykins> bodhi_zazen: i know, that was mostly what i was highlighting.
[00:47] <riken> can someone send me a website link for where to submit my hwlist.xml file??
[00:48] <OerHeks> !paste
[00:49] <AlexQ> OerHeks: By "free space" you mean the space that is occupied with the NTFS partition?
[00:50] <OerHeks> No, the space you made for ubuntu, but you wanted to recover, right?
[00:50] <OerHeks> 200 gb
[00:50] <AlexQ> OerHeks: That's not the story. The partition disappeared itself
[00:51] <OerHeks> oke, still it was on the end
[00:52] <AlexQ> and around a dozen GiB of free space after it
[00:54] <AlexQ> OerHeks: But see... both the primary and backup NTFS boot records for that last partition were found by TestDisk
[00:55] <AlexQ> OerHeks: But no working MFT
[00:56] <OerHeks> next thing i would think of is a faulty drive, but then you would have notices that during all the steps you made
[00:58] <riken> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8588041/
[00:59] <AlexQ> OerHeks: Yeah, deeper scanning involved reading of the whole disk.
[00:59] <riken> !pastebinit http://paste.ubuntu.com/8588041/
[01:00] <riken> i dont know how to submit my hardware info
[01:00] <AlexQ> OerHeks: Is there any software that can rebuild MFT by scanning the disk?
[01:01] <riken> not that i know of
[01:01] <OerHeks> AlexQ, maybe UBcd can do that, never had to do that to be honest.
[01:02] <IPhoton> okay, I am having difficulties understanding how can I installed windows and ubuntu side by side. I have windows installed in a 240 SSD and I have deleted enough to give me 70GB of free space. I plan to use 40GB for Ubuntu, which I plan to only use it for development learning
[01:02] <IPhoton> I only managed to find 1 CD that I can use to burn
[01:02] <riken> i'm just trying help ubuntu by submitting my hardware info so they will have better hw support
[01:03] <IPhoton> so I am going to burn the ubuntu 14. But I still need to partition this SSD, can I do it from Windows itself or do I need another CD for gparted?
[01:03] <OerHeks> riken, easiest way would be pasting "lshw" "lspci" and "lscpu", not sure why you want to submit that
[01:05] <OerHeks> IPhoton, let windows diskmanagment make the free space, and a cd is too small for the ubuntu iso, so you need the mini iso and internet. else an usbstick of 1 gb will do
[01:05] <OerHeks> !mini
[01:05] <IPhoton> well I miss spoke, it is a DVD
[01:05] <IPhoton> 4.7GB
[01:05] <OerHeks> oke, then you are fine
[01:06] <AlexQ> IPhoton: But pendrive should be much faster
[01:06] <IPhoton> so I just burn it  in there and then boot it from DVD and the installation will do the partition?
[01:06] <penk> anyone doing Trusty under Virtualbox?  Still can't figure out alt-tab window switching.  :(
[01:06] <IPhoton> my pendrive is corrupt, I can't do it
[01:06] <OerHeks> i would let windows decrease a partition
[01:08] <IPhoton> hmm, that minimal cd does look promising
[01:10] <IPhoton> what does 64-bit PC (amd64, x86_64) mean vs 64-bit PowerPC** for minimal cd?
[01:12] <tsimpson> IPhoton: PowerPC was the kind of CPU Macs used before the move to Intel based ones
[01:12] <OerHeks> powerpc or ppc for short is an ancient apple cpu
[01:12] <IPhoton> kk
[01:14] <haunt_house> what reason could it have if my link disappeares and my background image is gone on reboot? It's probably the access to a partition, but how to fix it? I partitioned manually and then installed
[01:14] <haunt_house> strange thing is it works as long as i dont reboot
[01:15] <FilthyMacNasty> heh then doot reboot
[01:15] <haunt_house> yeah, kepping the pc runnng for months is probably the best option. i agree
[01:16] <FilthyMacNasty> !works for me
[01:16] <Surendil> haunt_house: mount partition on boot
[01:16] <haunt_house> Surendil: gladly, how do I do that?
[01:16] <Surendil>  /etc/fstab and /etc/mtab
[01:17] <haunt_house> hm, something to google
[01:18] <jackJava> h
[01:19] <jackJava> someone here know java genetics ?
[01:19] <jackJava> generics*
[01:20] <AlexQ> EriC^^: DMDE on Windows apparently finds the MFT without any problem, and all the files are visible
[01:21] <trollolol> jackJava yeah i do
[01:21] <AlexQ> "reconstruct file system"
[01:21] <AlexQ> but I don't know how to apply it to the partition itself
[01:25] <jackJava> trollolol: I wanna know how to declare a generics without adding it to a class and use it in the class
[01:26] <jackJava> like a member variable
[01:26] <jackJava> oh, got it
[01:26] <jackJava> solved it myself...sorry for wasting your time
[01:27] <trollolol> dont worry lol - i kinda got what you were saying
[01:28] <trollolol> but i was about to point out the point of generics is for them to be in classes :L
[01:30] <FilthyMacNasty> evening OERIAS
[01:30] <OERIAS> Good Evening FilthyMacNasty
[01:36] <B0bsF1sh>  How can I get this installed? sudo apt-get install libxml-simple-perl - I get the message "The following packages have unmet dependencies: libxml-simple-perl : Depends: libxml-sax-perl but it is not going to be installed Depends: libxml-libxml-perl but it is not going to be installed or libxml-sax-expat-perl but it is not going to be installed E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages."
[01:37] <FilthyMacNasty> try sudo apt-get -f install
[01:39] <clumsy_bot> What commands does Startup Disk Creator run through when creating a LiveUSB?
[01:40] <B0bsF1sh> FilthyMacNasty: I tried, it gave this: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 4 not upgraded.
[01:42] <hihi> hi
[01:42] <FilthyMacNasty> hurm
[01:42] <hihi> i came here to rape you all
[01:42] <FilthyMacNasty> ooh ooh me first!
[01:43] <hihi> you sperm zombies
[01:43] <rww> hihi: do you have an Ubuntu support question?
[01:43] <cfhowlett> hihi, get right or get out
[01:43] <rww> my way works better
[01:44] <cfhowlett> rww, indeed you are right.  my apologies.
[01:48] <mbff> Hello! I am trying to disable all logging on a ubuntu server. Include ssh logins and openvpn logs
[01:48] <mbff> Anyone have any ideas?
[01:49] <reisio> mbff: egrep -ilr log /etc/ >> list_of_files_to_edit
[01:49] <FilthyMacNasty> mbff: hiding from the wife?
[01:49] <reisio> the sysadmin wife, very dangerous
[01:50] <requiredfield> Anyone know how to get apt-get installed redis to start automatically on 14.04? I tried the accepted answer on https://stackoverflow.com/questions/20589725/redis-starts-manually-with-init-d-but-not-on-startup but no dice
[01:50] <mbff> haha, no working on a openvpn setup script
[01:52] <mbff> wait everything is /etc/ can be deleted?
[01:52] <requiredfield> "service --status-all" gives " [ - ]  redis-server". "initctl list | grep redis" gives no output
[01:54] <sacarlson> requiredfield: sure you don't mean radius-server
[01:55] <B0bsF1sh> Ho do I get this installed? sudo apt-get install libxml-simple-perl - I get the message "The following packages have unmet dependencies: libxml-simple-perl : Depends: libxml-sax-perl but it is not going to be installed Depends: libxml-libxml-perl but it is not going to be installed or libxml-sax-expat-perl but it is not going to be installed E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages." sudo apt-get -f install doesn't fix anyt
[01:57] <sacarlson> B0bsF1sh: did you allso try:  aps-get update ;
[01:59] <sacarlson> mbff: I guess you could also make the /var/log file permisions not writable
[01:59] <mbff> alright, thanks.
[02:01] <requiredfield> sacarlson: yes, i mean redis, as in redis.io
[02:07] <B0bsF1sh> sacarlson: I tried apt-get update and then the install again, same error message
[02:07] <Surendil> senpai: o genki desu ka?
[02:08] <senpai> Genki
[02:08] <cfhowlett> !jp | Senji,
[02:08] <sacarlson> B0bsF1sh: any errors seen when apt-get update  ran?   and you did use sudo?
[02:08] <Surendil> apt-get install -f
[02:09] <senpai> sudo apt-get install -f usually will always work
[02:09] <sacarlson> requiredfield: sounds like it's already in the list just not enabled to run
[02:10] <B0bsF1sh> sacarlson: apt-get (I did use sudo) - gave messages with Hit, Get, and Ign, but nothing that looks like errors. Then Fetched 18.0 kB in 2s (7,919 B/s)
[02:12] <sacarlson> B0bsF1sh: and in synaptic you see these missing dependicies ibxml-sax-expat-perl ...
[02:12] <FilthyMacNasty> try sudo apt-get install ibxml-sax-expat-perl
[02:14] <sacarlson> FilthyMacNasty: B0bsF1sh: I don't see this ibxml-sax-expat-perl  file in synaptic on 14.04
[02:15] <FilthyMacNasty> might could grab it from debian's site
[02:16] <sacarlson> B0bsF1sh: so I have to assume there is a bug in dependencies.  you might find whats missing in ppa and try install it again
[02:16] <tsimpson> !info libxml-sax-expat-perl trusty
[02:17] <B0bsF1sh> I found this (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libxml-libxml-perl/+bug/1085690) that looks like a bug ... but the solution doesn't work for me (to rm a file that doesn't exist for me: (/var/lib/dpkg/info/libxml-libxml-perl.prerm)
[02:20] <sacarlson> requiredfield: one method to start on boot would be sudo update-rc.d redis-server defaults ;  you might want to change defaults but it should put it way at the bottom of the list and should work
[02:22] <sacarlson> B0bsF1sh: seems I recall perl also has it's own method of dependencies install with gem or something
[02:23] <sacarlson> or is that ruby?
[02:23] <sacarlson> see you can tell I'm getting old now
[02:24] <trndr> sacarlson: ruby has gems
[02:24] <FilthyMacNasty> old is when you refer to breezy as the good old days
[02:27] <kitl_> Hello
[02:27] <daftykins> hi.
[02:27] <sacarlson> trndr: yes some of it came back to me just not all of it
[02:28] <kitl_> It looks like I'm having some problems, but I'm not sure what they are...
[02:29] <daftykins> kitl_: i see. feel free to let us know when you can turn one into a question :)
[02:29] <B0bsF1sh> sacarlson: What does this mean? http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise/libxml-simple-perl - that it's a builtin package and I should be able to install ... I'm lost. How do I tell what's missing in ppa?
[02:29] <sacarlson> B0bsF1sh: I think that delete file should only be the method to remove the status of a broken package
[02:30] <kitl_> Okay. Is there ever a situation where a machine running could become completely unresponsive, without even responding to sysrq commands?
[02:30] <sacarlson> B0bsF1sh: first try to find the original package in ppa that may have a fixed method to install
[02:30] <kitl_> This is, of course, Ubunutu.
[02:30] <B0bsF1sh> I looked at /etc/apt/sources.list - I haven't removed anything. It has: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8588300/
[02:32] <sacarlson> B0bsF1sh: other options would include using the older version as I assume it must have worked in the past
[02:32] <B0bsF1sh> sacarlson: actually all this is for a new app I've never used before
[02:32] <B0bsF1sh> Or I guess you meant - it must have worked in the past for other people / past versions, etc. not for me.
[02:33] <B0bsF1sh> Perl was installed by default, if I take the second option in aptitude to downgrade, don't I risk breaking some other app that's reliant on the current version?
[02:33] <LanDi> anyone here does play midi files on linux ?
[02:33] <B0bsF1sh> sacarlson: re: ppa: Ok, does that mean downloading from here, or adding a new repository and using apt-get again? http://packages.ubuntu.com/uk/lucid/all/libxml-simple-perl/download
[02:34] <sage__> Is systemd used for init in 14.10?
[02:34] <sacarlson> LanDi: yes I play mini files.  just double click and they will play.
[02:34] <sacarlson> midi files
[02:34] <B0bsF1sh> Searching on that I found this page http://askubuntu.com/questions/297881/how-to-resolve-dependency-conflict-perl-conflicts-with-libxml-sax-perl - which is interesting but over my head
[02:36] <kitl_> May I repeat my question?
[02:38] <B0bsF1sh> I installed synaptic package manager and tried to install, but it also gave me this message: libxml-libxml-simple-perl:  Depends: libxml-libxml-perl but it is not going to be installed
[02:38] <sacarlson> B0bsF1sh: oh is that all you see on your screen also?  I thought it was due to a deb file that doesn't exist in repo
[02:39] <sacarlson> if the apt-get -f install didn't fix it then there must be missing stuf
[02:39] <sacarlson> B0bsF1sh: did you already look in ppa as we know synaptic won't fix it
[02:40] <sacarlson> B0bsF1sh: or must I do all the work for my students?
[02:41] <B0bsF1sh> sacarlson: Sorry I don't know exactly what that means or where to look/find a ppa. Is a 'ppa' an additional URL to a repo that you manually add for apt-get to find? To answer the previous question, the output of apt-get install is (http://paste.ubuntu.com/8588317/)
[02:41] <B0bsF1sh> !ppa
[02:41] <sacarlson> B0bsF1sh: ppa normaly involves add to your repo list
[02:41] <B0bsF1sh> Hey it worked
[02:42] <sacarlson> B0bsF1sh: cool but I don't see what you did to fix it
[02:42] <lucian> yooo!!!!
[02:42] <kitl_> Is there a way to recover from a frozen system that won't respond to rysrq commands without hitting the power button, and hoping that noting was being modified?
[02:43] <lucian> a set of screen savers anyone?
[02:43] <B0bsF1sh> Oh I didn't fix the problem, I was just pleased to see that ubottu had something on ppa for me to read
[02:43] <reisio> lucian: rss-glx
[02:44] <lucian> install with sudo apt-get?
[02:44] <sacarlson> kitl_: I never understood this but maybe rysq  is system reset?
[02:44] <B0bsF1sh> Wow. searched for perl on launchpad but how am I to know which one might work or which might be from an official maintainer of perl
[02:44] <sacarlson> kitl_: and you can't ssh into the system?
[02:45] <sacarlson> kitl_: other old method was to hook a serial terminal up, but I'm not even sure new systems have serial ports
[02:45] <kitl_> In my case, I cannot use sysrq, the system doesn't even respond to that.
[02:45] <sacarlson> what is sysrq?
[02:46] <lucian> after i install rss-glx
[02:46] <sacarlson> system reset?
[02:46] <lucian> where i find the settings?
[02:46] <kitl_> As for ssh, I tried locating the IP of my computer from my laptop using nmap, but nothing for ssh showed up.
[02:46] <sacarlson> kitl_: what is sysrq????    is that the same as system reset???
[02:47] <sacarlson> kitl_: to find the ip look at arp trafic at the gateway
[02:48] <sacarlson> kitl_: I guess you don't even need to be at the gateway just on the local net you should see all arp trafic
[02:48] <sacarlson> arp -n
[02:48] <kitl_> Sysrq is where you do [alt]+[sysrq]/[prtscrn]+[letter] to directly communicate with the kernel and tell it to do something.
[02:48] <sacarlson> opps no you will need to wireshark to see the arp trafic
[02:49] <sacarlson> kitl_: ah ok got it the secreet key sequence
[02:49] <sacarlson> kitl_: so posible the keyboard is not working
[02:49] <B0bsF1sh> kitl_: Does the console have any weird graphical glitches or just blank/black screen?  Does it look like this? http://imgur.com/zMAI0Tt
[02:49] <sacarlson> kitl_: try another usb keyboard
[02:49] <kitl_> Yes, and nmap works fine for locating it, because my machine is the only one that runs ubuntu/ has an ssh server.
[02:51] <sacarlson> kitl_: so you know you have the correct ip address when you attempt to ssh into it
[02:51] <kitl_> I'm not even using a usb keyboard, I'm using a ps/2 keyboard. As for the console, anything on the screen at the time gets frozen to the screen.
[02:52] <sacarlson> kitl_: try another ps2 or usb keyboard
[02:52] <kitl_> Sacarlson: Yes, for locating it to ssh in, except it no longer shows up.
[02:52] <sacarlson> kitl_: will it respond to pings ?
[02:54] <kitl_> For the moment, can we please assume that it isn't a keyboard problem.
[02:54] <sacarlson> kitl_: to me it sounds like a kernal panic or total freez, what is it you hope to recover?
[02:54] <sacarlson> kitl_: I can't assume anything anutil you try everything
[02:54] <kitl_> I'm not sure about pings. I'll have to check my IP immediately next time.
[02:56] <B0bsF1sh> Similar problem to mine: (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2168223) solution was to add to sources list - the lines are slightly different from mine, but could that just be due to the post being from August 17th, 2013 and my Ubuntu being newer?
[02:56] <kitl_> What I'm awking for you to assume is that I've already tried other keyboard, and that did nothing.
[02:56] <sacarlson> kitl_: if you were writing in openwrite or something like it they have options to autosave.  if you didn't already have stuf like that active now is the time to think about using those tools in the future
[02:56] <lotuspsychje> !info firefox
[02:57] <lotuspsychje> cool new firefox is out
[02:57] <sacarlson> kitl_: just power it off and look at the logs to see what you can learn as I see no way your going to recover anything
[02:58] <sacarlson> kitl_: I guess what you might loose is some mysql data but that's updated in realtime most will be ok
[02:59] <kitl_> I want to do an emergency sync/unmount, to avoid corruption of files that may have been in the process of being written to disc.
[02:59] <sacarlson> kitl_: and as I already asked WHAT do you hope to recover???
[03:00] <sacarlson> kitl_: what kind of files?  what did the system do?
[03:01] <sacarlson> kitl_: sounds like you have mostly exausted the posibility of recover other than try a serial port
[03:01] <kitl_> I'd like to avoid another reinstilation on ubuntu, and have a way for this not to happen 2 minutes after I boot up the computer, regardless of nomodeset, livecd, whatever.
[03:02] <kitl_> As for serial port... If my motherboard has one, I'd still have no idea what
[03:02] <sacarlson> kitl_: I've had hundreds of power failures here, 99 percent my system boots fine with worst case an fsck run
[03:02] <kitl_> i would neeed to do.
[03:03] <kitl_> I've had many system failures, and an eventual unbootable system before.
[03:03] <FilthyMacNasty> everyone has
[03:03] <sacarlson> kitl_: ya we had someone a few days ago maybe it was you that had unstable power that had a corrupted file system that could not be fixed
[03:04] <lotuspsychje> on 14.04 we dont :p
[03:04] <sacarlson> kitl_: get a UPS power supply
[03:06] <kitl_> No, this is my first time over here. This is not a power problem, the system still 'runs', it just will not do anything whatsoever.
[03:07] <kitl_> As for getting a UPS, this is not a server. I don't have the money for a UPS.
[03:07] <sacarlson> kitl_: brownouts can put systems into frozen states or worse.  if your systems fail that often I would look into UPS power
[03:08] <kitl_> If it were a brownout, my dad's computer would be doing this too. It isn't.
[03:08] <sacarlson> kitl_: if the system isn't worth putting a UPS on then the data in it can't be of much value
[03:09] <sacarlson> kitl_: different system have different tolerences to brownouts
[03:09] <sacarlson> kitl_: like a laptop already has built in ups
[03:09] <kitl_> And, like I said, I cannot get any ups power because I have no money.
[03:10] <sacarlson> kitl_: yes I got that and as I said then the data has little value
[03:11] <sacarlson> kitl_: if you don't have UPS then you should setup methods to minimize losses of power failure with backups and autosave
[03:12] <sacarlson> kitl_: multi partition and don't have backups mounted unless they are needed
[03:12] <kitl_> I don't care about the data! I care about useability of my computer. What else could it be, if it isn't a brownout?
[03:13] <sacarlson> kitl_: it could be memory failure that can be intermitent,  temp problems.....
[03:14] <sacarlson> kitl_: I had systems that would only run for more than a week if I kept the covers off due to heat failures
[03:14] <rekby> Hello. Is anybody of devel team here? I want notify about large changes of timezones in Russia. It applies in tzdata 2014f, but ubuntu have tzdata 2014e (previous version).
[03:14] <kitl_> Temperature is what I was thinking, but I don't think so, unless you can have problems from too low of a temperature... :P
[03:14] <rekby> Changes will apply 26.10.2014 (in few days).  http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/tz-announce/2014-August/000023.html
[03:15] <lotuspsychje> rekby: #ubuntu-devel
[03:15] <sacarlson> kitl_: ha ha wow low temp failure.  well I've had them all at -55C for more than 2 hours we would have failures also
[03:15] <kitl_> As for memory issues, I could try running memtest86... again.
[03:16] <rekby> lotuspsychje, thanks.
[03:16] <kitl_> Yeah, it's not at *that* low of a temperature.
[03:17] <sacarlson> kitl_: how often does it fail?  onece a month?   I've had mem test failures that I could run memtest and never fail unless it become a hard failure
[03:17] <kitl_> Every time I start the computer with ubuntu. I haven't tried any other os yet.
[03:18] <sacarlson> kitl_: failure within minutes hours?
[03:19] <kitl_> Minutes. Like I said earlier, a few minutes after I login, normally.
[03:19] <sacarlson> kitl_: oh then the memtest might catch it
[03:19] <kitl_> If it's a memory problem.
[03:20] <kitl_> Either that, or memtest will freeze up too, with no relation to the memory.
[03:20] <sacarlson> kitl_: ya otherwise it's some kind of kernal problem or video driver maybe if they are propriatary
[03:21] <kitl_> (That was another problem I've had...)
[03:22] <lotuspsychje> !info bootchart
[03:22] <sacarlson> kitl_: but in most cases if it's a video driver you should be able to ssh in so more like kernal panic
[03:22] <kitl_> Speaking of video card drivers, those seem unstable on my laptop. Which, of course, doesn't run ubuntu.
[03:23] <kitl_> If it were video card drivers, I would know in other ways, yes.
[03:23] <sacarlson> kitl_: I would think so.  it sounds more like hardware to me
[03:24] <B0bsF1sh> !info libxml-simple-perl
[03:24] <kitl_> Specifically, I should be able to boot using the nomodeset kernel paremeter.
[03:24] <sacarlson> B0bsF1sh: I thought it was already fixed?
[03:25] <kitl_> That's what I was afraid of.
[03:25] <B0bsF1sh> sacarlson: Oh I didn't fix the problem, I was just pleased to see that ubottu had something on ppa for me to read (I entered this response before but I forgot to add your name on it)
[03:26] <sacarlson> B0bsF1sh: oh ok, well that sucks then
[03:26] <kitl_> Well, now I suppose I go look for hardware problems again.
[03:27] <sacarlson> B0bsF1sh: it's been over 6 years since I last programed in perl.  seems I forgot most of it
[03:27] <B0bsF1sh> sacarlson: Yah thing is, I don't even know perl at all, I'm just trying to get an "app" running that happens to be in perl. so I really don't know anything about it other than I'm supposed to install these libs.  I'm pretty lost at this point. I added a ppa, tried installing again (same error). I could go for the second option aptitude gets me and downgrade, but if it causes a problem with an existing app, how do I re-upgrade?
[03:28] <sacarlson> B0bsF1sh: that stuf is so old I bet much is no longer supported in new releases
[03:28] <kitl_> Sacarlson: Thanks for trying.
[03:28] <wetblanket> why was there an amazon link on the panel when i installed 14.04?
[03:28] <B0bsF1sh> aptitude output offering to downgrade: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8588190/
[03:28] <lotuspsychje> wetblanket: you can disable amazon in system settings
[03:30] <lotuspsychje> brb bootchart tweaking
[03:30] <sacarlson> B0bsF1sh: oh that looks like it might work.  if it fails I don't know how to get it back to stable
[03:31] <B0bsF1sh> sacarlson: the likelihood of other apps using perl ... should be low right
[03:31] <wetblanket> i'm more interested in the business reasoning. canonical partnering with amazon?
[03:31] <sacarlson> B0bsF1sh: my guess is downgrade is the best bet as perl is so old.  I'm sure my code won't run anymore
[03:31] <wetblanket> who is paying whom for the service?
[03:32] <rww> wetblanket: I don't think it's ever been publicly disclosed.
[03:32] <sacarlson> wetblanket: you can always pay me.... I take bitcoin
[03:33] <lotuspsychje> sacarlson: you know any ubuntu miners servers?
[03:33] <rahid> Hi Guy i need your help to get me understand this error "parent hub has no TT" i getting this error when i plug my 5th USB Modem.
[03:33] <tozen> morning folks! is wpa_supplicant need to be installed on ubuntu server to setup wifi? thx.
[03:33] <sacarlson> lotuspsychje: sure some.  you mean pools?
[03:33] <lotuspsychje> rww: i think your scared him :p
[03:34] <lotuspsychje> sacarlson: well as hardware is so expensive, tought maby some guys run ubuntu servers for miners/pools yes
[03:34] <sacarlson> tozen: it should be installed by default
[03:34] <tozen> sacarlson: thx, pal
[03:34] <sacarlson> lotuspsychje: yes I did.  I developed new coins that required much less mining power
[03:35] <lotuspsychje> sacarlson: compatible with the current bitcoin system?
[03:36] <sacarlson> lotuspsychje: I wrote multicoin https://github.com/sacarlson/MultiCoin
[03:36] <lotuspsychje> sacarlson: nice one
[03:36] <sacarlson> lotuspsychje: yes it can be compatible with most any coin
[03:36] <lrcaballero1>  rahid: this is a bug! per the ubuntu launchpad read here: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/233377
[03:37] <lrcaballero1> this occurs when connecting more than 4 usb modems...
[03:37] <sacarlson> lotuspsychje: it was used in the experiment of the third expermental coin called weeds and spawned the revolution of 100's of new coins
[03:38] <lotuspsychje> sacarlson: you know any ubuntu servers for creating bitcoin pools?
[03:38] <lotuspsychje> sacarlson: my firend is interested in creating a server, but the minder hardware is just so expensive to buy
[03:38] <sacarlson> lotuspsychje: that's off topic we can chat pm
[03:39] <lotuspsychje> sacarlson: well im looking for an ubuntu server to do that
[03:39] <rahid>  lrcaballero1 : thanks, is it possible to get it fix ?
[03:40] <lrcaballero1> rahid: you will have to report a bug to the Ubuntu devs...in order to get fix. See the link I sent you.
[03:42] <mezel> wondering how to chroot into my sys so I can fix my boot to get back into linux
[03:42] <mezel> got an erro reading sector 'hd0'
[03:43] <B0bsF1sh> sacarlson: downgrading using aptitude lets the app run without error, it appears to be working fine so far. Thanks for the help. hopefully no other app is broken.
[03:44] <brent> im having a little trouble getting all my /etc/exports entries to work.. this: http://pastebin.com/ZCz7BM8E is my current exports file which is having the issues. Someone mind having a look? at a guess i think its to do with "fsid=0" but hopefully with more experience could help me fix my issues
[03:46] <lrcaballero1> mezel: read this article on non-bootable Ubuntu systems: http://www.webupd8.org/2014/01/how-to-fix-non-bootable-ubuntu-system.html
[03:47] <mezel> thanks
[03:53] <mezel> lrcaballero1 didn't work, isn't reading the root dev, even tho parted says it's there
[03:53] <mezel> I can't connect to it
[04:01] <Jeeves_Moss> I currently have a web server running on my VMWare host.  it seems that there is always a delay when connecting to it via SSH or HTTP.  How do I track down the delay?
[04:02] <Surendil> Jeeves_Moss: let's see if this is right, use tcpdump to know whre are the lost packages
[04:03] <Jeeves_Moss> ok, I'll have to do that on another network.  I'm out in public right noe
[04:04] <Sunstream> one word of warning if you buy a Blu-ray for $6.66 us be warned the package seems to be cursed and tracking is vry odd
[04:05] <daftykins> packets.
[04:05] <Jeeves_Moss> Surendil, would that also cause apache to be slow as well?
[04:05] <Surendil> daftykins: right!
[04:06] <HikaruBG> hi guys! :)
[04:06] <HikaruBG> what's up?
[04:06] <neldogz> Anyone here familiar with the edgers PPA? It appears to offer the latest display drivers from Nvidia
[04:06] <Surendil> if there's delay, it will affect the entire system
[04:07] <puish> Nope. I use the stable drivers :\
[04:16] <lotuspsychje> just installed bootchart but cant find it in /var/log
[04:16] <lotuspsychje> root@R00TB00K:/var/log# bootchart
[04:16] <lotuspsychje> No path given, trying /var/log/bootchart.tgz
[04:16] <lotuspsychje> warning: path '/var/log/bootchart.tgz' does not exist, ignoring.
[04:18] <sacarlson> lotuspsychje: I assume you did the reboot?
[04:18] <lotuspsychje> sacarlson: yes, twice
[04:19] <sacarlson> lotuspsychje: well for me to test it I guess I could bring up a virtualbox as I can't reboot this system
[04:20] <lotuspsychje> sacarlson: would be nice
[04:20] <tgm4883> !eol
[04:22] <sacarlson> lotuspsychje: only thing I have is lubuntu not sure what version and mint17 that would be as close as I have to the present ubuntu release
[04:22] <lotuspsychje> sacarlson: bootchart would work with lubuntu aswell
[04:22] <lotuspsychje> !info bootchart
[04:22] <acovrig> If I’m on a 192.168.5.0/24 network, is it possible to set something in my router (pfSense) and ubuntu server to access a 172.17.0.0/24 network that is private to the ubuntu server?
[04:22] <HikaruBG> guys
[04:23] <sacarlson> lotuspsychje: yes I'm sure it would but what version of ubuntu are you running it on?
[04:23] <lotuspsychje> sacarlson: 14.04
[04:23] <sacarlson> ok then mint 17 is the best I have
[04:24] <HikaruBG> i have apache2 server on my workstation, but the vhosts stopped working. Every time I type myvhost/ to the browser URL Field it searches google for "myvhost/" keyworkd
[04:24] <HikaruBG> any Ideas?
[04:25] <sacarlson> lotuspsychje: bootchart v 0.9.02
[04:25] <lotuspsychje> sacarlson: yes :p
[04:25] <sacarlson> lotuspsychje: install success, now rebooting
[04:26] <agent_white> Good evenin'
[04:26] <FilthyMacNasty> rehi agent_white
[04:26] <lotuspsychje> sacarlson: think it might be a bug
[04:27] <sacarlson> lotuspsychje: yup bootchart log dir empty after boot
[04:28] <sacarlson> didn't try the python thing maybe they moved the log
[04:28] <lotuspsychje> sacarlson: i dont even have the folder dir
[04:28] <sacarlson> lotuspsychje: I do have the folder
[04:28] <lotuspsychje> hmmm
[04:29] <agustin> holaaaaa
[04:29] <lotuspsychje> sacarlson: oh wait i think i found it, because of my ssd fstab tweak might delete it
[04:29] <FilthyMacNasty> \you borked it
[04:29] <lotuspsychje> sacarlson: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pybootchartgui/+bug/565970
[04:30] <sacarlson> lotuspsychje: yup it broke
[04:31] <tim__> ni, I have some question about  my wireless card on Ubuntu not working.
[04:31] <BentFranklin> Booting from a Live CD, I want to apt-get inhstall ddrescue without changing my hard disks.  Where does it install it, some kind of file structure in memory?
[04:31] <lotuspsychje> sacarlson: ok edited fstab lemme try another reboot
[04:31] <tim__> My try and my question is here. http://askubuntu.com/questions/538786/t400-wireless-adaptor-not-work
[04:32] <tim__> Appreciate your answer there.
[04:33] <lotuspsychje> sacarlson: now it created a folder, but still empty lol
[04:33] <tim__> I don't have an account here, so if you reply and i am gone, I will not be able to see your reply.
[04:33] <lotuspsychje> sacarlson: oh wait, just created tar
[04:33] <sacarlson> lotuspsychje: I reboot 2x nothing and tried gui also same error
[04:34] <lotuspsychje> sacarlson: yes, it worked now, it just created a tar and a png for me
[04:34] <sacarlson> lotuspsychje: what it takes time to create the tar
[04:34] <lotuspsychje> sacarlson: seems so yes, first folder was empty
[04:35] <sacarlson> lotuspsychje: I already shut my virtbox down so didn't see it
[04:37] <dabukalam> I managed to break ubuntu. I added the gnome-3 staging repo and installed gnome-shell and it broke, now I can't load anything. How do I get gnome-3 on trusty?
[04:37] <dabukalam> !gnome
[04:37] <dabukalam> !ubuntu-gnome
[04:39] <jaysen> !screen
[04:42] <dabukalam> or rather how do i get any desktop manager working? I just get a "failed to laod session" when I try to login
[04:44] <someone1212> Anyone here running Ubuntu 14.04 under Parallels 10?
[04:45] <sacarlson> lotuspsychje: yes now I looked again and I now have 3 png images and logs
[04:45] <lotuspsychje> sacarlson: nice!
[04:45] <lotuspsychje> sacarlson: now finding a way to troublshoot this :p
[04:46] <sacarlson> lotuspsychje: ha ha have fun
[04:46] <lotuspsychje> sacarlson: to see whats lagging :p
[04:46] <sacarlson> lotuspsychje: oh I thought that problem was comunitation with ssh
[04:47] <lotuspsychje> sacarlson: no, my ssd :p
[04:47] <sacarlson> lotuspsychje: like maybe traceroute or something.  oh ok
[04:47] <lotuspsychje> sacarlson: i got several tweaks for my samsung ssd on ubuntu
[04:55] <sacarlson> dabukalam: if you want the old gnome look you might want to try linux mint with mate.  you can install mate on ubuntu by adding like 5 packages and some other manual tweaking that I had a link to
[04:56] <dabukalam> sacarlson: yeah I had mint on here before. Looking to get gnome on trusty this time. I don't want old gnome I want new gnome but I can't get really new gnome to work. I guess I'm going to have to go 3.10
[04:58] <sacarlson> dabukalam: I'm not sure what the new gnome is I guess mate is the branch of gnome making it I guess the newist
[04:59] <sacarlson> dabukalam:  most the old code I wrote didn't run on unity so it was easier for me to move to mate that still suported my old code and yet seems to still run the new
[05:00]  * dabukalam stalks sacarlson
[05:00] <dabukalam> sacarlson: multicoin?
[05:00] <sacarlson> dabukalam: multicoin?  yes
[05:01] <dabukalam> sacarlson: cool
[05:02] <dabukalam> sacarlson: is multicoin.net down?
[05:03] <sacarlson> dabukalam: oh as far as what no longer runs on unity it was my https://github.com/sacarlson/GenPlayList  software that no longer can be suported in unity as I never patched it
[05:04] <sacarlson> dabukalam: ya I no longer payed the bill to keep multicoin.net as I lost interest in it and moved on
[05:04] <dabukalam> sacarlson: :)
[05:05] <dabukalam> sacarlson: so you run mint atm?
[05:06] <sacarlson> dabukalam: yes I am now running mint 17
[05:06] <dabukalam> sacarlson: I might go with cinnamon, but perhaps on arch. If only the antergos wiki stops being down
[05:06] <karab44> hello
[05:06] <dabukalam> karab44: hello
[05:07] <karab44> since last update my all system font has been changed without my permission. What happened and how to revert that? I don't really like when something messes my settings...
[05:08] <karab44> are here any other guys that experienced the same issue?
[05:11] <Miar> Many of my friends installed mac theme on ubuntu. Is that advisable?
[05:12] <sacarlson> Miar: I tried the mac theme long ago just to play.  it was ok.  I now run real apple osx in virtualbox
[05:14] <Miar> Well for ubuntu is unity better or the mac theme?
[05:15] <sacarlson> Miar: as far as I recall back then you could have mac theme on one user and still have gnome or other on another user so I created a new user to play with it to not break a working user that I needed
[05:15] <evilwombat> Greetings. Running 14.04 x86_64 over here. I have a consumer video camera which produces MP4 files that are otherwise valid, but cause mplayer (well, actually, libavformat.so) to spew warnings of "Non-increasing DTS in stream blah-blahlbhah" for several minutes before playback actually begins. Do I need to report this upstream, or can this be handled at the distro level?
[05:15] <sacarlson> Miar: you asking the wrong guy as I don't like unity and don't run it
[05:15] <Miar> Lol. Ok.
[05:16] <sacarlson> !mplayer
[05:17] <Miar> Another opinion I needed was whether it is better to dual boot ubuntu along with my windows or whether its better to use it on a virtual machine
[05:18] <sacarlson> Miar: depends on what you run in windows.  if you run games then run dualboot or try them in wine
[05:18] <Miar> Thanks.
[05:19] <BentFranklin> Booting from a Live CD, I want to apt-get install ddrescue without changing my hard disks.  Where does it install it, some kind of file structure in memory?
[05:20] <sacarlson> BentFranklin: yes it's in mem and won't be there after reboot unless you have presistance setup
[05:21] <BentFranklin> sacarlson: Thanks.
[05:25] <karab44> ok my system font just fixed. Seems it's just another bug
[05:25] <karab44> brb
[05:26] <tim__> guys, what's the best video player for ubuntu?
[05:28] <tim__> Could you tell me please?
[05:29] <Psil0Cybin> VLC?
[05:30] <Psil0Cybin> I use VLC Media Player.
[05:30] <dabukalam> tim__: vlc is the best "video player" on most platforms
[05:31] <tim__> okay, thanks, let me check that out
[05:51] <ASDFG> robot bait http://uxkke71871db.x13machine.koding.io:1337/
[05:54] <rohan_> hey who is this ?
[05:59] <inversesquarelaw> what is that robot bait url?
[05:59] <rww> someone being silly, just ignore it
[06:00] <inversesquarelaw> k thanks, rww
[06:06] <ASDFG> inversesquarelaw: to catch the robots
[06:07] <profanegod> It would be nice to catch Kraftwerk
[06:14] <profanegod> just a hopeful question before I search: has anyone experienced the "Unable to mount location Failed to retrieve share list from server" while operating a 12.04 VBox guest? If so, what settings had to be adjusted?
[06:19] <BentFranklin> Any idea why I can apt-get install ddrescue on a 12.04 machine but not on a machine running 14.04.1 Live CD?  "Unable to locate package ddrescue"
[06:19] <hellslinger> hi everyone, does anyone know how to monitor cpu frequencies on an intel sandy bridge
[06:21] <BentFranklin> I did an update first
[06:21] <rww> BentFranklin: "Deleted on 2012-16-20: (From Debian) ROM; confusion with GNU ddrescue; Debian bug #677101"
[06:22] <rww> you probably want gddrescue
[06:23] <BentFranklin> rww: I see now thanks.
[06:24] <BentFranklin> Hmm apt-get install gddrescue fails too. Same message.
[06:25] <rww> !info gddrescue trusty
[06:30] <BentFranklin> rww:  Adding component worked, thanks.
[06:40] <ddd356> Hello! Can somebody help me with Vim script?
[06:40] <nmz787> where is the laptop hotkey brightness script located in 14.04?
[06:41] <bobs> .nxn
[06:41] <bobs> jjj
[06:42] <bobs> hhhh
[06:42] <darkxploit> ddd356, what do u mean
[06:44] <CrazyM4n> What's a good alternative to xte that supports unicode and isn't xdotools?
[06:45] <Surendil> nmz787: question, why doing script when you can define hotkeys on keyboard settings?
[06:47] <CrazyM4n> I need this because xdotools seems to hang the system for a time relative to how much input it emulated
[06:48] <CrazyM4n> As in, no mouse or keyboard commands will register for that time
[06:50] <Tim_Miller> i am having a problem with an ubuntu install
[06:51] <ddd356> What kind of problem?
[06:51] <mokmeister> what's the problem Tim_Miller?
[06:51] <anuvrat> I am having problems connecting my nexus 5 with my laptop running ubuntu 14
[06:52] <Tim_Miller> i boot off of the install dvd
[06:52] <Tim_Miller> the ubuntu screen comes up
[06:52] <clumsy_bot> anuvrat, Do you unlock your screen when you connect to your computer?
[06:52] <Surendil> CrazyM4n: could you restart config to flush the input?
[06:52] <Tim_Miller> after a while the screen goes black and nothing happens
[06:52] <anuvrat> clumsy_bot: yes.
[06:53] <clumsy_bot> anuvrat, You can check out if gvfs-mtp is installed properly.
[06:53] <Tim_Miller> i am trying to do a fresh install
[06:53] <ddd356> Is your dvd contains 32 or 64 system?
[06:53] <anuvrat> clumsy_bot: yes I saw errors regarding mtp.
[06:53] <Tim_Miller> 32 bit
[06:53] <clumsy_bot> anuvrat, You can try reinstalling it the package.
[06:53] <clumsy_bot> Tim_Miller, Are you able to make selections before it goes black?
[06:53] <Tim_Miller> no
[06:53] <clumsy_bot> Tim_Miller, It's just black?
[06:54] <Tim_Miller> yep
[06:54] <sacarlson1> I should give you all a hint,  I look for longer lines of explaination of a problem that I normaly service first to reduce me having to ask more questions to answer them
[06:54] <Surendil> mokmeister: settings - developer options - usb debugging - and plug in the phone right then
[06:54] <anuvrat> clumsy_bot: I had done that, and now multiple nautilus windows open up and all throw the error regarding mtp device being unaccessible / unreachable
[06:54] <nmz787> Tim_Miller: did you verify the ISO MD5 hash matched after downloading? did you verify the DVD matched the ISO after burning?
[06:55] <clumsy_bot> anuvrat, You must've tried unplugging and replugging a few times right?
[06:55] <Tim_Miller> yep
[06:55] <anuvrat> clumsy_bot: yes
[06:55] <Surendil> my samsung s3 have the same problem, fixed with that
[06:55] <nmz787> Tim_Miller: does your system have multiple video cards installed?
[06:55] <clumsy_bot> anuvrat, It could simply be Nautilus not disengaging the MTP protocol correctly after you unplug.
[06:55] <clumsy_bot> Try a reboot?
[06:55] <Tim_Miller> only has one video card
[06:55] <anuvrat> clumsy_bot: done that too.
[06:55] <anuvrat> clumsy_bot: multiple times.
[06:56] <Surendil> trid with nautilus, thunar, etc
[06:56] <Surendil> tried
[06:56] <clumsy_bot> anuvrat, Not the most relevant source but it's thorough. https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Mtp
[06:57] <clumsy_bot> anuvrat, You could try the mtp-detect commands listed to see if the system actually knows your device is there.
[06:57] <Surendil> fuse have some issues, at least with my phone
[06:58] <CrazyM4n> Surendil: How do I do that? Sorry for the late response, was doing things
[06:58] <CrazyM4n> Restarting the config to flush the input, that is
[06:59] <Surendil> i used to work with fedora, fuse didn't work at all, other choice was 'jmtpfs'
[07:00] <Surendil> and usb debugging, plug it right away, and run jmtpfs
[07:03] <CrazyM4n> So what should I do about xdotools temporarily disabling input to my system?
[07:04] <sacarlson> CrazyM4n: sounds like some of the gui that I wrote ha ha
[07:04] <CrazyM4n> Oh gosh, lol
[07:04] <CrazyM4n> All I want is a macro to say ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) :(
[07:04] <sacarlson> CrazyM4n: if I recall my apps only killed input or updates to my app not the entire system
[07:05] <CrazyM4n> Wait! It doesn't kill the input to the whole system! It just seems to stop responding to left clicks specifically
[07:05] <sacarlson> CrazyM4n: does your system only have a single core?
[07:06] <CrazyM4n> I'm on 4 cores
[07:06] <CrazyM4n> And it affects right clicks also
[07:06] <CrazyM4n> So just the clicky buttons on the mouse it breaks
[07:06] <sacarlson> CrazyM4n: wow well my apps didn't use right click so not sure how that is posible
[07:07] <CrazyM4n> Hm, is there some sort of log for xdotools anywhere?
[07:07] <sacarlson> CrazyM4n: I"m guessing the app is writen in python or ruby not in c or c++
[07:08] <CrazyM4n> As far as I know xdotools is written in C
[07:08] <CrazyM4n> https://github.com/jordansissel/xdotool Yep, it's C
[07:09] <sacarlson> CrazyM4n: oh it simulates keyboard input so that explains it
[07:09] <CrazyM4n> But it doesn't break all the input, it only temporarily disables left- and right-clicking... which is possibly the most confusing part
[07:09] <sacarlson> CrazyM4n: I've used other tools like it if not this one to automate functions of some things long ago
[07:09] <smuzsh> does ubuntu support extended scancode set 3 over din?
[07:10] <smuzsh> (assuming the bios doesnt flip out)
[07:10] <CrazyM4n> There's xte, there's xvkbd
[07:10] <CrazyM4n> Neither of those support unicode, which I need
[07:11] <sacarlson> CrazyM4n: presenlty and in fact maybe even back then I use wmctrl -r 'Google - Mozilla Firefox' -b remove,maximized_vert
[07:12] <sacarlson> CrazyM4n: to automate browser activity to scrape stuff I had a different tool
[07:13] <CrazyM4n> As far as I know, wmctrl works with the windows spefically, not with input
[07:13] <CrazyM4n> Maybe I should submit a bug report
[07:13] <sacarlson> CrazyM4n: yes I recall I think I used wmctrl to get focus and in very rare conditions used another tool to do keystorkes
[07:15] <sacarlson> CrazyM4n: but what app is are you trying to put keystroke in?
[07:15] <helmut_> hi
[07:16] <Surendil> hi helmut_
[07:16] <CrazyM4n> Ok, so I accidentally closed lxterm, but I found out that it only breaks mouse clicks when you are using unicode input
[07:17] <CrazyM4n> Yep, definately breaks when you give it unicode to type
[07:18] <CrazyM4n> Wait, no, it's working completely fine now
[07:18] <CrazyM4n> What?
[07:18] <CrazyM4n> Never mind, it works on some windows and doesn't work on others
[07:19] <clumsy_bot> I'm looking for nice GTK3 themes besides Adwaita, Numix and Moka. Any suggestions?
[07:21] <Tim_Miller> i'm going to try to install ubuntu again, i just got the maroon flash screen, now there is a cursor flashing
[07:21] <sacarlson> CrazyM4n: but what app is are you trying to put keystroke in?  oh ok now it work cool
[07:21] <CrazyM4n> Okay, after a bit more testing, I have found the exact problem. If you type a unicode string with xdotool, it will disallow all left and right clicking for a time proportional to how long it typed, and will disable keyboard commands related to switching windows
[07:21] <CrazyM4n> (it didn't actually start working, false alarm)
[07:21] <Tim_Miller> i now have the ubuntu logo with the dots turning from white to red
[07:22] <sacarlson> CrazyM4n: if I recall I even added delays in my automated keystroke stuf and it was still unstable
[07:23] <CrazyM4n> That's not my problem, I just had to increase the delays in order to compensate for lag
[07:23] <Tim_Miller> now there is the logo with a solid 5 red dots under it
[07:24] <Tim_Miller> i got a mouse pointer on the screen now
[07:24] <Tim_Miller> screen is now grey with a white bar across the top
[07:25] <Tim_Miller> hey, it seems to be working now
[07:25] <sacarlson> CrazyM4n: but I think this is what you use to automate browsers with fantastic tools to make it easy and stable http://www.seleniumhq.org/
[07:26] <sacarlson> CrazyM4n: it's been years since I've used it but
[07:26] <CrazyM4n> It's not a browser I'm trying to automate, and I'm already familiar with selenium
[07:26] <CrazyM4n> I prefer watir for browser automation, just as a side note
[07:26] <sacarlson> CrazyM4n: like I asked before automate what?
[07:26] <CrazyM4n> I'm trying to make a macro
[07:27] <sacarlson> CrazyM4n: yes I 've use watir and I thought salinum was just it's new name
[07:27] <CrazyM4n> As in, have a button that automatically types text into whatever is selected
[07:29] <sacarlson> CrazyM4n: cool I see watir is still active,  I just don't use it anymoe
[07:30] <CrazyM4n> Ugh, I can do a dirty workaround
[07:31] <CrazyM4n> I can just put stuff in xclip
[07:31] <CrazyM4n> then have xdotool middle click
[07:31] <CrazyM4n> then clear the xclip buffer
[07:31] <sacarlson> CrazyM4n: ya I had to do things like that just to get a single carige return at times
[07:32] <sacarlson> CrazyM4n: also had to do checks to see if it completed and if it failed have it repeat the whole thing as it failed about ever 10th time
[07:32] <CrazyM4n> haha yeah
[07:33] <CrazyM4n> I'm going back to my nice pure world of Haskell, thank you very much
[07:33] <CrazyM4n> :P
[07:33] <sacarlson> CrazyM4n: but that's in an envirment were there are no people so time was not a big concern
[07:35] <CrazyM4n> ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
[07:35] <CrazyM4n> Oh god I didn't mean to send that
[07:35] <CrazyM4n> It, uh, works :P
[07:36] <crocket> hi
[07:39] <nmz787> Tim_Miller: does your system have multiple video cards installed?
[07:39] <nmz787> whoops
[07:39] <nmz787> sorry
[07:42] <Tim_Miller> i only have 1 video card
[07:42] <CrazyM4n> I give up trying to make this all fancy like
[07:42] <CrazyM4n> If I can get my macros working I will be hapyp
[07:42] <Tim_Miller> it has 2 outputs, one vga and one dvi
[07:42] <Tim_Miller> i have tried connecting the monitor to both
[07:44] <CrazyM4n> How do you get input from the command line in a sh script? Is it like windows with $1, $2, $3, etc...?
[07:44] <crocket> How do I add ufw-specific chains to POSTROUTING on nat table?
[07:44] <sacarlson> CrazyM4n: you just pipe it
[07:45] <CrazyM4n> I mean, say I have a script, hello.sh, and I want to do "./hello.sh test"
[07:45] <sacarlson> CrazyM4n: look at bash for details
[07:45] <CrazyM4n> How would I get "test" inside the script?
[07:45] <sacarlson> CrazyM4n: echo "test" | ./hello.sh
[07:47] <CrazyM4n> I meant this http://how-to.wikia.com/wiki/How_to_read_command_line_arguments_in_a_bash_script
[07:47] <sacarlson> CrazyM4n: yup
[07:48] <CrazyM4n> I should automate this whole process and make it into a single command line or something
[07:49] <CrazyM4n> *command
[07:49] <sacarlson> CrazyM4n: ya if I can automate with command line, that's the method I try to use.  only use gui methods if I have to
[07:50] <sacarlson> CrazyM4n: if you come from windows you might think everything must be done in gui
[07:51] <sacarlson> CrazyM4n: as why I asked what application you are attempting to automate but failed to get the answer so can't fully help you
[07:51] <CrazyM4n> sacarlson: I did come from windows, but I understand that from a functional standpoint, most things can be done from command line
[07:51] <CrazyM4n> But I just want these key commands to be sent to the X server and it's proving to be a lot more of a pain than it should be
[07:52] <CrazyM4n> It's not any specific application
[07:53] <sacarlson> CrazyM4n: I have in the past been focused on doing something a certain way but others open up much easier path when I fill them in on the real task at hand
[07:54] <Keanu73> I came from Windows as well but I know Linux as well.
[07:54] <Keanu73> I need my Windows laptop for certain things
[07:54] <CrazyM4n> Ugh, finally. Bash is like magic sometimes
[07:54] <CrazyM4n> And other times it doesn't work whatever you do
[07:54] <Keanu73> CrazyM4n: what's your bash version?
[07:55] <CrazyM4n> GNU bash, version 4.3.11(1)-release (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu)
[07:55] <CrazyM4n> Planning on switching to ZSH, sounds awesome
[07:55] <Keanu73> well
[07:55] <Keanu73> CrazyM4n, you are vulnerable to shellshock
[07:55] <CrazyM4n> Oh damn
[07:55] <Keanu73> I have 4.3.30
[07:56] <CrazyM4n> I don't host any servers or anything
[07:56] <Keanu73> CrazyM4n you'd better download bash source code and download patches and patch files using patch, then build bash
[07:57] <Tim_Miller> now i am really confused, i got all they way through the first part of the install and then black screen
[07:57] <CrazyM4n> http://i.imgur.com/ujooHCI.png
[07:57] <Keanu73> CrazyM4n, run this:
[07:57] <Keanu73> in terminal:
[07:57] <CrazyM4n> Keanu73: according to the shellshock pentester thing, I'm not vunerable
[07:57] <CrazyM4n> Just did, http://i.imgur.com/ujooHCI.png
[07:57] <Keanu73> CrazyM4n: get bashcheck
[07:58] <Keanu73> ah
[07:58] <Keanu73> CrazyM4n, I will send bashcheck to you via DCC
[07:58] <Keanu73> execute it in terminal
[07:58] <CrazyM4n> Is it really that important that I should do all these things in order to secure my system even though I don't even have a server?
[07:59] <Keanu73> oops
[07:59] <Keanu73> wrong file
[07:59] <CrazyM4n> Even though I simply use this as a home computer?
[07:59] <Keanu73> well
[07:59] <Keanu73> yeah
[07:59] <CrazyM4n> Is this the script you want me to test my system against? https://github.com/hannob/bashcheck/blob/master/bashcheck
[07:59] <Keanu73> CrazyM4n, bashcheck is being offered to you
[08:00] <Keanu73> yes
[08:00] <Keanu73> that's the script
[08:00] <CrazyM4n> Ok, give me a second
[08:00] <Keanu73> I don't know if irssi can handle DCC
[08:01] <CrazyM4n> Keanu73: http://i.imgur.com/x8jL45a.png
[08:01] <CrazyM4n> Same results as the other test, I'm not vunerable
[08:02] <Keanu73> wow
[08:02] <CrazyM4n> What's up with shellshock anyway? How does it work? Why is it a big deal?
[08:02] <Keanu73> well
[08:02] <Keanu73> shellshock is worse than heartbleed
[08:02] <CrazyM4n> I knew all about heartbleed
[08:02] <Keanu73> and it allows attackers to execute artibary code on your computer
[08:03] <CrazyM4n> But if this is such of a bigger deal, why isn't it getting as much media coverage?
[08:03] <CrazyM4n> That sounds terrible
[08:03] <Keanu73> right
[08:04] <CrazyM4n> Give me a second, I have to restart irssi
[08:04] <Keanu73> kay
[08:05] <CrazyM4n> Okay, I'm back
[08:05] <sacarlson> Keanu73: I should send you one of my latest projects not yet released called backdoor-1.0-1.deb  that automates the install of an invisable reverse ssh backdoor to any debian dirivitiv
[08:05] <Keanu73> no no
[08:05] <sacarlson> Keanu73: just what you need
[08:06] <Keanu73> don't you dare.
[08:06] <CrazyM4n> Remember when the NSA tried to add a backdoor into Linux? That was hilarious
[08:06] <Keanu73> lol
[08:06] <gr33n> lol
[08:06] <sacarlson> Keanu73: I thought you like that kind of stuf
[08:06] <Keanu73> Linux is backdoor proof
[08:06] <Keanu73> sacarlson: no
[08:06] <Keanu73> I am too scared of backdoors
[08:07] <Keanu73> my matters are security
[08:07] <CrazyM4n> We're just discussing it. Don't do anything bad with your package ;)
[08:07] <sacarlson> Keanu73: not if you install my deb file it isn't, goes through most any firewall
[08:07] <sacarlson> only 1.2kb file size
[08:07] <Keanu73> sacarlson
[08:07] <Keanu73> but what is the file
[08:07] <sacarlson> it's a deb file
[08:07] <Keanu73> a linux RAT?
[08:07] <Keanu73> yes but
[08:07] <Keanu73> what is in the deb file.
[08:07] <CrazyM4n> inb4it's ssh $1
[08:08] <Keanu73> sacarlson
[08:08] <Keanu73> make a nice project
[08:08] <Keanu73> a project that isn't bad and not a virus
[08:09] <sacarlson> I've been asking if I should release my backdoor-1.01.deb,  so far I have recieved only 2 positive telling me I should publish and no negitive
[08:09] <CrazyM4n> If you make it into a legit exploit you could get some internet fame for fixing it in the linux kernel or ssh or wherever the explot is from
[08:09] <CrazyM4n> *exploit
[08:09] <Keanu73> sacarlson: It's a exploit?!
[08:09] <CrazyM4n> But if you're planning on using it for bad you shouldn't
[08:09] <Keanu73> I agree with CrazyM4n
[08:09] <Keanu73> never ever use a project for malicious uses
[08:10] <darkxploit> hello.. who can help me with rewrite rules apache. there is no on on the #httpd channel
[08:10] <sacarlson> exploit??  no it's just a function if you want it, it has always been there.  I just make it easy and small to insall
[08:10] <Keanu73> oh
[08:10] <Keanu73> sacarlson, is it using a bug
[08:11] <CrazyM4n> This reminds me of the time I made a stupid C++ app on windows to end svchost.exe, sent it to my friend and called it a "hacking program"
[08:11] <sacarlson> Keanu73: no it doesn't us any bugs, or nothing I would consider to be
[08:11] <Keanu73> sacarlson, what does the function do
[08:12] <sacarlson> Keanu73: in simple terminology it's a trojan
[08:12] <Keanu73> gulp
[08:12] <Keanu73> I'm scared of trojans too
[08:12] <CrazyM4n> As long as it's not a rootkit I'll take a look at it ;)
[08:12] <Keanu73> and how did you know I have debian, sacarlson
[08:12] <Keanu73> CTCP VERSION?
[08:12] <sacarlson> so is that a bad thing?  I wrote it to make it simple to remote assist people with a simple double click I can help them
[08:13] <Keanu73> oh!
[08:13] <Keanu73> so you could help people?
[08:13] <Keanu73> that's a legit program then
[08:13] <Keanu73> :P
[08:13] <Keanu73> so
[08:13] <Keanu73> what does it use?
[08:13] <CrazyM4n> So what is it? Is it like some sort of VNC thing? Some sort of SSH implementation?
[08:13] <Keanu73> is there a chat as well
[08:13] <sacarlson> yes is can be used for good and bad
[08:13] <Keanu73> sacarlson is there a chat so the person who needs help can tell you what is wrong
[08:14] <Keanu73> if there isn
[08:14] <Keanu73> if there isn't a chat
[08:14] <sacarlson> CrazyM4n: it's a very simple ssh thing that automates the creatiion of a new sudo user on a system and automates the shareing of ssh keys
[08:14] <Keanu73> implement it
[08:14] <Tim_Miller> here you go keanu73 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvfD5rnkTws
[08:14] <Keanu73> what is that Tim_Miller.
[08:15] <Keanu73> note that
[08:15] <Keanu73> I'm on a Raspberry Pi (ARM)
[08:15] <Keanu73> and
[08:15] <Keanu73> I can't watch youtube videos
[08:15] <Keanu73> :|
[08:15] <Tim_Miller> ah, nm
[08:16] <Tim_Miller> i thought about getting one a while back to play with
[08:16] <CrazyM4n> I really want one
[08:17] <Wrabbitt> LoL @ Weird Al
[08:17] <Keanu73> how can I create a tar archive
[08:17] <CrazyM4n> Oh god....
[08:18] <Keanu73> CrazyM4n I have some bash binaries
[08:18] <Keanu73> the version of it is 4.3.30
[08:18] <CrazyM4n> http://xkcd.com/1168/ Relavent xkcd
[08:19] <CrazyM4n> What about your bash binaries?
[08:19] <baizon> hahahaha
[08:19] <baizon> good one CrazyM4n
[08:20] <Keanu73> CrazyM4n: how can I create a tar archive though
[08:20] <CrazyM4n> ;-;
[08:20] <CrazyM4n> tar -<slam keyboard on bottom row> <folder>
[08:21] <Keanu73> eh
[08:21] <Keanu73> what's s;a,
[08:21] <Keanu73> what's slam
[08:21] <Keanu73> uhh
[08:21] <baizon> Keanu73: http://unixhelp.ed.ac.uk/CGI/man-cgi?tar
[08:21] <CrazyM4n> it's tar -cvf name.tar /path/to/directory
[08:21] <CrazyM4n> the man pages for tar are extensively long, you can't just read it and get the command you want
[08:22] <CrazyM4n> unless you want to take like 15 minutes
[08:22] <Tim_Miller> i have not been able to get anywhere yet, when i start to get further along it goes to the famous black screen
[08:22] <Tim_Miller> i'm off to bed
[08:22] <CrazyM4n> good night
[08:22] <CrazyM4n> I'm going to be in a league of legends game, if anyone needs me just say my name and hope I alt tab :P
[08:22] <Tim_Miller> hopefully i can figure this out tomorrow night
[08:23] <CrazyM4n> what are you trying to figure out?
[08:23] <Keanu73> CrazyM4n, I'm sending you bash 4.3.30 in a tar.gz archive via DCC
[08:23] <Tim_Miller> why i keep getting a black screen when trying to install ubuntu
[08:23] <CrazyM4n> Keanu73: why?
[08:24] <Keanu73> note that
[08:24] <CrazyM4n> Tim_Miller: I can't help then :c
[08:24] <Keanu73> patch 27 patches shellshock
[08:24] <Tim_Miller> i got all the way up to setting up the computer name and then the computer went into a black screen
[08:24] <Keanu73> and my bash is 4.3.30
[08:24] <Keanu73> read the README.txt in tar.gz archive
[08:24] <Tim_Miller> i have never had an issue like this before
[08:27] <CrazyM4n> Keanu73: I believe you, sorry I'm not exactly in a situation where I can test it right now
[08:30] <CrazyM4n> How do people find exploits like shellshock?
[08:32] <sacarlson> CrazyM4n: the ones we are lucky enuf to see that get published are normaly by univercity geeks and maybe good corps like googe inc.  all the bad ones we never see are partly from the nsa
[08:32] <kaypot> Hello... I am looking for some help with Apache on Ubuntu Server. I am getting a "client denied by server configuration error" and i cannot figure out why after doing some research
[08:32] <kaypot> here is my apache2.conf http://pastebin.com/wppSQthW my error log: http://pastebin.com/bFuJ0sP4 virtual server conf http://pastebin.com/xV8h9r8Q
[08:33] <sacarlson> CrazyM4n: the rusians found a hack into my website about 4 years ago.  they are good at it
[08:35] <sacarlson> kaypot: with that little to go on it could be 1 of 1000+ things.  can you ping it?
[08:35] <kaypot> yes
[08:35] <kaypot> its a specific error
[08:35] <sacarlson> kaypot: are all pages in error or just some?
[08:35] <kaypot> "client denied by server configuration"
[08:35] <kaypot> all pages
[08:35] <kaypot> it wont even serve the index file
[08:35] <kaypot> the error refers to an option i nthe apache config AFAIK
[08:35] <sacarlson> kaypot: installed how?
[08:36] <kaypot> aptitude
[08:36] <sacarlson> kaypot: virutal system?
[08:36] <kaypot> yes
[08:36] <sacarlson> kaypot: virtual remote system?
[08:36] <kaypot> it is denying local requests
[08:36] <kaypot> it is local, and even denying requests made by localhost
[08:37] <sacarlson> kaypot: oh so internet access works local does not?  when I asked for all pages I should have stressed from all points
[08:38] <kaypot> yes
[08:38] <kaypot> iwait im sorry no
[08:38] <kaypot> from -nowhere-
[08:38] <kaypot> not local, or local subnet, or anywhere at all
[08:39] <sacarlson> kaypot: in looking at the configs I don't see any name of the website in any of them
[08:40] <kaypot> where would that be exactly?
[08:40] <sacarlson> kaypot: nor even a path that would be picked up as localhost
[08:40] <vitimiti> Hi
[08:40] <sacarlson> kaypot: didn't the first default install provide a hello world at localhost when you installed it?
[08:40] <kaypot> sacarlson: I thought "	DocumentRoot /home/kPot/htdocs/" sufficed
[08:41] <sacarlson> the sites enabled configs are normaly where you would put these type of configs
[08:42] <kaypot> ill show you that file
[08:42] <kaypot> for the enabled site
[08:43] <kaypot> http://pastebin.com/xV8h9r8Q
[08:44] <kaypot> the same in both /sites-available and /sites-enabled
[08:45] <sacarlson> kaypot: nope I don't see it in that one so back to the apache2 univercity for yo
[08:45] <kaypot> dont see what?
[08:45] <kaypot> what am i missing then?
[08:46] <sacarlson> kaypot: no website name like me.example.com
[08:46] <sacarlson> kaypot: so go back to school
[08:47] <sacarlson> or did you expect me to do your home work for you?
[08:47] <kaypot> no, i spent about 3 hours researching and experimenting and couldnt figure it out
[08:47] <kaypot> i hope you dont literally mean homework as i am a hobbyist not a student
[08:47] <sacarlson> did you try it from the fresh install before you broke it?
[08:48] <sacarlson> kaypot: make sure it works before you break it then you can regress
[08:49] <CrazyM4n> Has anyone had experience switching from ubuntu to arch?
[08:49] <kaypot> thanks for nothing
[08:49] <sacarlson> kaypot: I have to admit I havn't checked a fresh install in some time so maybe apache comes broken now?
[08:49] <kaypot> i dont know but i havent asked for help regarding a computer issue in years and i should just stick with not asking
[08:50] <sacarlson> kaypot: no I'm sure there are many here  with more time than I that can help you
[08:50] <kaypot> unless im misunderstanding you im under the impression you know what is wrong and intentionally are not telling me?
[08:51] <sacarlson> kaypot: I have had students want me to do there home work for them before.  but you don't learn that way
[08:52] <kaypot> i totally agree
[08:52] <sacarlson> give a man a fish and he will be hungry tomaro.  teach the man how to fish and he will never go hungry
[08:53] <kaypot> I feel so frustrated though, that after years of just grinding my nose through manuals and search queries, I finally decide I should try asking and get that kind of response
[08:53] <sacarlson> kaypot: the clue I gave you was reinstall a fresh clean apache2 and see if it works
[08:53] <CrazyM4n> kaypot: Usually asking mid-day will yield better results
[08:53] <CrazyM4n> In US time, at least
[08:53] <CrazyM4n> That's what I've noticed
[08:54] <kaypot> I didnt expect a response at all, but certainly not a "not doing your homework, kid" response
[08:54] <sacarlson> ya early right after I had my coffee is better,  now I'm eating lunch so I'm hoping others with help you
[08:55] <kaypot> sacarlson: anyway, i realize reinstalling is an option, it isnt exactly a hint but thanks anyway
[08:56] <CrazyM4n> If you need stock configs, you probably have to reinstall
[08:56] <CrazyM4n> If that's the problem
[08:56] <kaypot> its just so odd as none of the configs have a directive to deny
[08:56] <kaypot> im reinstalling now
[08:56] <He4dShOt> hello
[08:56] <kaypot> thanks for not giving me the 'tude crazyman
[08:56] <CrazyM4n> Remember to use --purge to get rid of configs
[08:57] <CrazyM4n> Unless you have a stock config lieing around
[08:57] <He4dShOt> someone knows the meaning of having "hostname.private" in /etc/hostname?
[08:57] <CrazyM4n> I can install it if you want
[08:57] <kaypot> thanks, has been a couple years since i have run a linux environment locally
[08:57] <CrazyM4n> And give you the stock configs
[08:57] <kaypot> nah i can just reinstall with --purge
[08:57] <CrazyM4n> Sounds good
[08:57] <MasterPiece> He4dShOt, Its your configures during installation step.
[08:58] <He4dShOt> MasterPiece, I mean does it matter what I put in it?
[08:58] <He4dShOt> because I see that host always as hostname.local in the net
[08:59] <MasterPiece> He4dShOt, in desktop installation, NOT
[08:59] <CrazyM4n> Is elemetary OS debian based?
[08:59] <CrazyM4n> *elementary
[09:00] <MasterPiece> CrazyM4n, Huh? What R U saying ?
[09:01] <CrazyM4n> http://elementaryos.org/
[09:01] <CrazyM4n> Looks like an interesting alternative to Ubuntu
[09:01] <kaypot> CrazyM4n: AH00558: apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified doma                                                                                                                                                             in name, using 127.0.1.1. Set the 'ServerName' directive globally to suppress th
[09:01] <CrazyM4n> kaypot: I don't actually know apache :c
[09:01] <CrazyM4n> Sorry
[09:01] <kaypot> er wrong line, one moment, i figured it out
[09:01] <kaypot> i just wanted to share, it has nothing to do with apache
[09:02] <sacarlson> kaypot: that's ok you can live with that error.  try in a browser  localhost
[09:02] <kaypot> darn i thought i /ignored you
[09:02] <k1l> CrazyM4n, elementary is , like other unofficial spinoffs, not supported in here. so if you are interessted in it ask their community
[09:02] <kaypot> anyway, i accidentally camel-cased the name of the document root folder so it was looking for a nonexistant folder
[09:03] <kaypot> it was not remotely related to apache
[09:05] <CrazyM4n> k1l: But is it a debian spinoff? That's what I'm asking
[09:06] <kaypot> have got to admit thats pretty funny
[09:06] <brook> how to stop sshd service on ubuntu? I have started it, but do not know how to stop it.
[09:06] <Ben64> CrazyM4n: their website, their irc channel, or google should be able to answer that for you
[09:07] <Ben64> brook: sudo service ssh stop
[09:07] <k1l> brook, sudo service ssh stop
[09:07] <vitimiti> CrazyM4n, it's supposed to be based on Ubuntu, but they've changed a lot of things, so you'd be better informed in their sites
[09:08] <CrazyM4n> Their website doesn't have much other than a bunch of buzzwords
[09:08] <vitimiti> CrazyM4n, welcome to elementary
[09:08] <brook> yes, it works. thanks, Ben64 and k1l.
[09:08] <CrazyM4n> Haha
[09:09] <peyam> hi
[09:09] <peyam> anybody knows how to make two plank docks. I have dual screen
[09:10] <vitimiti> CrazyM4n, I've used it a lot, it's based on Ubuntu and pantheon (DE) on gnome3.
[09:11] <CrazyM4n> That actually sounds quite nice
[09:13] <vitimiti> CrazyM4n, not for developers: you are told how the app should work and look and what words to use. For instance, "if you need a splashcreen, you are doing it wrong". So if I need a download, for example, I'm being stupid
[09:14] <CrazyM4n> So it just has a strict style guide?
[09:14] <CrazyM4n> Like OSX?
[09:14] <vitimiti> CrazyM4n, yes, they deny it, but it's a try to make Linux more OSX
[09:15] <CrazyM4n> To each their own I guess
[09:15] <vitimiti> Yeah
[09:15] <k1l> CrazyM4n, again: ask their community or ##linux. we focus on ubuntu support in here
[09:36] <onto> Hi! I am trying to connect to a bluetooth module (HC-06 connected to an arduino) via the bluecove java library (using bluez in the backend) but the module is not found. I can see it using my phone but it doesn't appear on the laptop (I'm using a bluetooth usb dongle). The phone is detected on the computer.
[09:36] <onto> The bluetooth module is detected on my phone, does anyone know what the problem could be?
[09:38] <sacarlson> onto: cool I never tried hooking my arduino to ubuntu/ linux.  I was going to get the cheap $10 part to add it but never did. wonder how easy that's going to be for you
[09:40] <onto> sacarlson: I'm running out of patience ... and my hair's getting thinner :p
[09:41] <sacarlson> onto: ha ha ok send me the part and I'll try it on my ardupilot for my remote plane
[09:48] <onto> sacarlson: what do you mean by the part?
[09:49] <trinode> is there an IRC room for support with utopic? the upgrade process from 14.04, and a direct disc install renders the system unbootable, UEFI boot manager says it's corrupted
[09:50] <sacarlson> onto: I mean the bluetooth part that I don't have.  I'm looking at this article and it would seem amost all that is needed to see the bluetooth on the computer side is 5vdc.  all it is is serial out to arduino http://www.instructables.com/id/how-to-Control-arduino-by-bluetooth-from-PC-pock/step4/connecting-over-bluetooth-on-the-PC/
[09:50] <geirha> !utopic | trinode
[09:50] <trinode> geirha: thanks
[09:51] <sacarlson> onto: I don't see the device name in the software that he installs.  so you can't see it from any other computer or phone?
[09:52] <onto> sacarlson: I can see it on my phone, but not on my laptop
[09:53] <sacarlson> onto: oh ok so you do know it's on the ubuntu side or maybe in the laptop tongle then
[09:53] <onto> sacarlson: I can see my phone from my computer too
[09:53] <sacarlson> onto: ok did you try it closer?  I've had bluetooth that can only barely go 2 feet
[09:55] <onto> sacarlson: The module is right next to me less than a feet
[09:55] <sacarlson> onto: oh and I have been seeing people here complaining about bluetooth problems here but if the phone works?  can you try windows?
[09:56] <onto> sacarlson: I could, but since I haven't booted into windows for months, I'm afraid I'll be stuck in an upgrade loop
[09:56] <sacarlson> onto: ha ha just unplug the internet when you boot windows
[09:56] <g0uZ_> have someone a working "getfattr" sample command that work ?
[09:57] <onto> sacarlson: ok, I'll try
[09:57] <sacarlson> onto: that will at least mostly prove it's a hardware thing
[09:57] <sacarlson> or not
[09:57] <g0uZ_> i'm just trying to save/restore xattr but getfattr is returning nothing
[09:59] <gael_> .
[10:11] <meroney> Hello
[10:12] <neurosis> yo
[10:12] <erfolg0522> aup
[10:12] <nikis> Greetings.
[10:13] <meroney> hello
[10:14] <mkumar> hello
[10:15] <neurosis> i was just looking on distrowatch 4 out of 10 are Based on: Debian, Ubuntu lol
[10:15] <meroney> what's going on?
[10:15] <neurosis> sorry top 10 linux OS
[10:16] <onto> sacarlson: It appears the problem lies in the USB dongle, it was not detected in windows either :(
[10:16] <sacarlson> onto: I thought so
[10:17] <sacarlson> onto: hope you find a dongle that works
[10:17] <onto> sacarlson: I think I'll simply forward the data through my phone to the computer via wifi for the moment
[10:18] <sacarlson> onto: there you go.  or create some cool phone app to play with it
[10:18] <sacarlson> onto I"ve  used ssh to get into my phone to play with it
[10:19] <xubuntu_> hi
[10:19] <onto> sacarlson: I do that too! :)
[10:19] <neurosis> hi xubntu
[10:20] <ItsMeLenny> i'm running ubuntu 14.04 (upgraded from 12.04) whenever i boot the computer and no network cable is plugged in, if i plug one in it wont connect to it, where as other systems i have i can plug it in after, how do i get it to be able to turn on the wired network, as if i boot without it the wired network button completely disappears
[10:21] <onto> sacarlson: Thanks for the help!
[10:27] <trinode> is there a script to un-canonicalize gnome? those scrollbars and the theme and such?
[10:27] <trinode> (after using a standard ubuntu install disc and switching to gnome 3
[10:28] <k1l> trinode, use the gnome ubuntu PPA. they try to be more vanilla gnome
[10:29] <trinode> k1l: is that the same as using ubuntu-gnome install media?
[10:29] <k1l> yes
[10:29] <sacarlson> trinode: there are a few different user interface options.   my personal preference is mate
[10:30] <trinode> kil ah, thing is standard ubuntu's gnome works better without messing about, for example the brightness slider is present in the top right menu
[10:30] <k1l> trinode, yeah, that is what canonical changed for the user.
[10:31] <vitimiti> What's the difference between fglrx and fglrx-updates and which one should I be installing?
[10:31] <k1l> vitimiti, go with the fglrx for the start
[10:31] <proccesserid> hi guys, i am trying to deal with overload in my server and i am doing it by killing processes that have finished their purpose but for some reason did not terminate themselves and are taking up VIRT
[10:32] <proccesserid> for that i have some questions, unless you know of some guide that tells me how to do it
[10:32] <vitimiti> k1l, thank you
[10:32] <proccesserid> first, how can i get the process id of all processes that have the word "nolon" in the command that started them?
[10:35] <mkumar> proccesserid: top | grep nolon
[10:44] <proccesserid> mkumar thank you.
[10:45] <proccesserid> for a given proccess id, how can i asign to a veriable the value of how long it is running?
[10:46] <proccesserid> i am having difficulties assigning the value to a variable
[10:47] <proccesserid> ps -p MY_PROCESS_ID -o etime=
[10:48] <geirha> var=$(ps -p "$pid" -o etime=)
[10:51] <geirha> proccesserid: Also see http://mywiki.wooledge.org/ProcessManagement
[10:54] <proccesserid> thanks for the refference, i am looking at it now.
[10:55] <proccesserid> when i ran that line it said: line 4: ${ps -p 852 -o etime=}: bad substitution
[10:55] <geirha> proccesserid: parenthesis, $(), not braces, ${}
[10:56] <proccesserid> oopsy, thanks
[11:00] <asier> hi all!
[11:00] <erfolg0522> hi!
[11:06] <dwia> I install wubi on windows7 but when it boots from ubuntu, it does not accept the username and password, what is wrong with wubi?
[11:07] <bazhang> dwia, its a test drive, avoid it
[11:07] <dwia> bazhang, I used to use it before. it was working fine. Is there anything else like wubi that is easy to install ubuntu on top of windows 7?
[11:08] <bazhang> dwia, vbox
[11:08] <dwia> bazhang, I need to install ubuntu on the boot, is wubi the only easy tool to do it?
[11:09] <bazhang> dwia, virtualbox, as I said
[11:09] <dwia> bazhang, virtualbox and wubi are not the same, virtualbox gives you limited access of the hardware
[11:10] <bazhang> dwia, wubi is a no go, avoid it
[11:11] <MonkeyDust> dwia  wubi is a pseudo-installation inside windows, for testing purposes
[11:12] <dwia> MonkeyDust, is there something like wubi that handles duo-boot installation?
[11:13] <dwia> it is very convenient to use wubi for the installation-wise
[11:13] <MonkeyDust> dwia  yes, it's easy, but it's not "real"
[11:14] <Ben64> grub makes things really easy to boot, can choose ubuntu or windows when you start
[11:16] <kevindf> Hello, I'm planning to install Nagios on my server home server that's hosting a teamspeak server. Howmuch CPU resources etc does Nagios take?
[11:16] <kevindf> is it alot or only very few?
[11:17] <kevindf_> Hello, I'm planning to install Nagios on my server home server that's hosting a teamspeak server. Howmuch CPU resources etc does Nagios take?
[11:17] <kevindf_> is it alot or only very few?
[11:17] <dwia> is there any auto tool that install grub and handles necessary settings to have duo boot windows and ubuntu?
[11:17] <kevindf_> as my server isn't the best of the best ofc, i'd like to know if Nagios will reduce my capacity of my teamspeak server
[11:18] <bazhang> with the installer, yes dwia
[11:18] <Ben64> dwia: the ubuntu installer takes care of that...
[11:18] <bazhang> kevindf_, try #ubuntu-server
[11:18] <kevindf_> i've tried, nobody responded :)
[11:18] <MonkeyDust> kevindf_  wait longer
[11:19] <bazhang> kevindf, read the nagios documentation?
[11:19] <kevindf> i'll see
[11:21] <dwia> when I search as "ubuntu windows 7 installer" I get this link http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop but it downloads .iso file, the second option that I see is https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wubi   is there an .exe file that I can run on windows then it installs ubuntu on top of windows?
[11:21] <dwia> what is the download link?
[11:21] <Ben64> dwia: you want the iso, its a disc image of the installer, you can burn it to a dvd or write it to a usb drive
[11:21] <MonkeyDust> dwia  wubi.exe, but we already discussed thta
[11:22] <aeyesi> Hai! Umm how do I start another xscreen?
[11:22] <aeyesi> aka display ~
[11:22] <aeyesi> on local pc
[11:22] <MonkeyDust> aeyesi  with Xnest
[11:24] <aeyesi> never heard of xnest
[11:24] <aeyesi> yay
[11:25] <mehdi> anyone knows how can i install conkeror browser? i get "404 not found" in the repository :(
[11:25] <aeyesi> i guess internet connection failed mehdi
[11:25] <aeyesi> :3
[11:25] <aeyesi> or well
[11:25] <aeyesi> the repository does not exist anymore
[11:25] <mehdi> im downloading opera now  with no problem
[11:25] <aeyesi> errr i mean the package
[11:26] <mehdi> aeyesi, i really love that browser i can use it on debian and windows
[11:26] <mehdi> aeyesi, is it possible that  my country is in embargoed or sth like that?
[11:26] <Ben64> mehdi: sudo apt-get install konqueror
[11:27] <Snowstormer> KD
[11:27] <mehdi> Ben64, no konqeuror conkeror browser
[11:28] <mehdi> Ben64, http://conkeror.org/FrontPage this is
[11:28] <MonkeyDust> aeyesi  this looks useful, i guess http://box.matto.nl/xnest.html
[11:29] <Ben64> mehdi: not seeing that package in ubuntu at all
[11:30] <mehdi> it used  be in the packages  but i donno y they remove it :(  Ben64 check this link out http://conkeror.org/InstallationDebian
[11:30] <Ben64> mehdi: thats up to you then, not supported in this channel
[11:33] <code_> f
[11:34] <code_> f
[11:36] <root_> hi
[11:37] <moataz> hello there i wonder if i can get some help about my vga
[11:40] <moataz> helo i wonder if i can get some help here about vga drivers !?
[11:45] <mehdi> Ben64, i use debian repo and installed it
[11:46] <Ben64> that is definitely not supported and probably breaks your system
[12:07] <skyfall> clear
[12:08] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:11] <proccesserid> i am trying to get the name command that started the process of which i have the process id. how do i find it?
[12:11] <AlexPortable> Deactivating swap
[12:11] <AlexPortable> Mount: / is busy
[12:12] <AlexPortable> Will now halt. Kvm: exiting hardware virtualization. Sda synchronizing scsi cache. Sda stopping disks. Kvm: exiting hardware virtualization
[12:12] <AlexPortable> How can i get my system to shutdown?
[12:13] <MonkeyDust> AlexPortable  sudo init 0
[12:13] <AlexPortable> MonkeyDust: does nothing
[12:14] <AlexPortable> I can type, but it doesnt accepts commands
[12:16] <AlexPortable> Brb
[12:22] <mehdi> anybody having problem with firefox33 opening expired ssl websites?
[12:23] <mehdi> for example local sites
[12:23] <blackyboy> Hi everyone, i have setuped a RAID 10 , what i did is first setuped a RAID 1 with 2 disks and then setuped a RAID 0 with 2 disks and combine both by using mdadm --create /dev/md10 --level=10 ---metadata=1.00 --raid-devices=2 /dev/md0 /dev/md1 is this ok or the procedure is wrong ?
[12:25] <proccesserid> say i have the elapsed time of a process in [[dd-]hh:]mm:ss format. how can i get that number in seconds, for easier parsing?
[12:25] <proccesserid> (in bash script)
[12:25] <OerHeks> mehdi, sounds logical, expired ssl prevents from opening
[12:26] <mehdi> OerHeks, i can use chrome and FF32 working just fine
[12:30] <proccesserid> nevermind, i found a better way of doing it
[12:39] <wagadagadou> wew so many people here
[12:39] <federico> ciao
[12:40] <federico> hi
[12:40] <Guest86325> sera
[12:41] <_18515E> Hi, Can anyone name any well supported wireless chipsets?
[12:44] <Fleetflame> How do I log in as root?
[12:45] <MonkeyDust> Fleetflame  not
[12:45] <streitdoni> aha
[12:45] <zaffy> there's no need to login as root since you can use sudo.  anyway the root login can be "enabled"  by setting its password
[12:45] <zaffy> and disabled deleting it
[12:45] <OerHeks> !root
[12:46] <sacarlson1> _18515E: I've always prefered Atheros chips in all products and has good support in linux
[12:46] <OerHeks> no, don't suggest that zaffy, it is wrong
[12:47] <Fleetflame> ok
[12:48] <_18515E> sacarlson1: Thanks. Are Broadcom & Intel still pretty bad? I've just been trying to get a Realtek one to work and it cripples the whole network :s
[12:49] <sacarlson1> _18515E: I had many problems with broadcom in the past but maybe they fixed that by now?  broadcom never comunicated with linux developers so never had good support
[12:51] <sacarlson1> _18515E: I never had any problems with intel, but with my devices that had atheros chips seemed to be much more sensitive I could see more distant wifi sigs
[12:52] <sacarlson1> _18515E: maybe they just had better antenas or ??
[12:53] <Fleetflame> I need to delete an .iso file on a flash drive....how do I find that drive in terminal?
[12:57] <Shunya> Hi
[12:57] <Shunya> how can i know my graphic card details?
[12:57] <Shunya> i used lspci | grep "VGA"
[12:57] <Shunya> didn't get much
[12:58] <OerHeks> Shunya, what info do you get with that comand?
[12:58] <OerHeks> err Shunya try " lspci  grep VGA "  capital letters are a must
[12:58] <Shunya> OerHeks, card number...
[12:59] <Shunya> OerHeks I want to get full detail... in windows it's easier to me know
[13:00] <OerHeks> Shunya, sudo apt-get install hardinfo
[13:00] <OerHeks> good tool
[13:00] <proccesserid> how can i write an if statement stating that $a is greater than 10 and MYBOOLEAN is false?
[13:01] <proccesserid> something like if( $a > 10 && !MYBOOLEAN)
[13:02] <MonkeyDust> proccesserid  are you a developer? if yes, there's also #ubuntu-app-devel
[13:03] <proccesserid> i am a developer but am very new to linux. i will ask there as well, thank you for the refference
[13:03] <deone_> iknpjbpihívbívbiujvoucytcub
[13:09] <MMukherjee> How can I untar a file in Terminal?
[13:10] <OerHeks> tar -xvzf <something>.tar.gz
[13:10] <MMukherjee> 'kay
[13:10] <OerHeks> or see: man tar
[13:11] <MMukherjee> Worked
[13:11] <OerHeks> MMukherjee, have fun
[13:16] <Atomo> Salve a tutti, questa chat è analoga alla chat dedicata al supporto tecnico?
[13:17] <OerHeks> !it | Atomo
[13:17] <MMukherjee> Ah it's italy :D
[13:17] <Surendil> Atomo: we might be able to help you, but only if you talk englisgh
[13:17] <Surendil> english
[13:19] <Atomo> Surendil: Sorry, I didn't know this is a english-language chat
[13:22] <Surendil> no problem, i don't mind, but better to tell the "rules" of the channel
[13:25] <ASHER1> Hello after two days i do everything about install something in ubuntu14 no working nothing
[13:27] <ASHER1> and this error i get
[13:27] <ASHER1> http://pastebin.com/TNjctBtC
[13:31] <reisio> ASHER1: what on earth are you up to?
[13:31] <reisio> trying to use 14.10 twisted on not 14.10?
[13:35] <ASHER1> i try run twisted 14.0.2
[13:36] <ASHER1> and this also make to me problem maybe you know about this?
[13:36] <ASHER1> i try run this http://www.qwebirc.org/installation#debian
[13:38] <francesco2> Hello everyone,
[13:39] <reisio> francesco2: hiyo
[13:39] <michykaye> :)
[13:40] <rra94> hi, I was trying to install nvidia drivers and shit happened
[13:40] <francesco2> [I already checked on google all morning] I did something stupid with permission i suppose, and when I try to log to my account (with the right password) he bring me back to the boat menu
[13:40] <rra94> any help as to how I can roll back?
[13:40] <francesco2> boot*
[13:41] <ASHER1> sreisio
[13:41] <ASHER1> reisio
[13:41] <francesco2> I tried with sudo chown -R $USER /home/$USER/ but nothing
[13:41] <ASHER1> ?
[13:41] <reisio> ASHER1: ...yes?
[13:42] <ASHER1> i paste to you
[13:42] <ASHER1> the error
[13:42] <ASHER1> and really i dont know why this no work
[13:42] <ASHER1> i do everything for install qwebirc
[13:42] <EriC^^> francesco2: are you talking about lightdm?
[13:44] <ASHER1> :\
[13:44] <ASHER1> smoneone?
[13:44] <reisio> ASHER1: what do you need twisted for?
[13:44] <francesco2> EriC^^: yes
[13:45] <ASHER1> i try run
[13:45] <ASHER1> i try run this http://www.qwebirc.org/installation#debian
[13:45] <ASHER1> on ubuntu 14
[13:45] <EriC^^> francesco2: please type ls -l ~/.Xauthority and paste here
[13:45] <ASHER1> and i have error
[13:45] <reisio> ASHER1: 14.01?
[13:45] <ASHER1> i dont know why i install everything
[13:45] <ASHER1> no
[13:45] <reisio> ASHER1: 14.10?
[13:46] <ASHER1> 14.04
[13:46] <reisio> ah
[13:46] <francesco2> EriC^^: I need a little bit of time though )
[13:46] <reisio> ASHER1: well, it's quite unlikely you need to manually install something to run qwebirc
[13:46] <EriC^^> francesco2: no problem
[13:47] <ASHER1> but i do everything and when i try run this i see this message
[13:47] <ASHER1> ImportError: Twisted requires zope.interface 3.6.0 or later: no module named zope.interface.
[13:47] <ASHER1> i install this
[13:52] <sacarlson1> ASHER1: in synaptic can you see what version of python-zope-interface  you now have installed?
[13:52] <ASHER1> yes
[13:52] <ASHER1> no work
[13:52] <sacarlson1> what version??
[13:52] <ASHER1> my ubuntu?
[13:52] <sacarlson1> python-zope-interface
[13:53] <ASHER1> 3.0.6
[13:53] <nils_> my boot process just ends in an initramfs shell, no error message. Any way to debug?
[13:53] <sacarlson1> that's a problem see 3.0.6 is smaller than 3.6.0
[13:53] <ASHER1> what i need todo?
[13:54] <sacarlson1> ASHER1: install newer version?
[13:54] <ASHER1> what version?
[13:55] <sacarlson1> ASHER1: for some reason I'm looking at version 4.0.5 available on ubuntu 14.04
[13:57] <sacarlson1> ASHER1: are you sure the information you are providing there is correct?
[13:58] <francesco2> EriC^^: could chmod 777 /home/myname/ solve the problem ?
[13:59] <EriC^^> francesco2: it might, not recommended though
[13:59] <k1l> ASHER1: same as last night: please show the apt-get install command and the result in a pastebin
[14:01] <francesco2> when i enter it, it says changing permission of /home/username read-only file what's that? shouldn't Allow everyone to read, write, and execute ?
[14:02] <EriC^^> maybe the file isn't owned by you
[14:02] <sacarlson1> francesco2: oh it's a mounted partition that is read only I guess
[14:02] <francesco2>  I see
[14:02] <EriC^^> francesco2: type df | grep /home
[14:03] <threecatstwodogs> Can I move my /var director into another disk
[14:03] <reisio> threecatstwodogs: yup
[14:03] <EriC^^> threecatstwodogs: yeah
[14:03] <threecatstwodogs> how would i do this
[14:04] <threecatstwodogs> I have attached the device and formated it
[14:05] <EriC^^> use a live usb to copy everything in that directory to a partition on the formatted disk, add it to fstab, and leave the directory empty
[14:05] <FuXXz> Hello, i need help pls! can anyone help with a problem with my ubuntu and my openssh server? i changed a working path for a user in /etc/passwd and now i get access denied errors with every user. Also root is denied :(
[14:05] <threecatstwodogs> so mv everything in /var to the new device
[14:05] <threecatstwodogs> then mount it to /var
[14:06] <EriC^^> yeah
[14:06] <threecatstwodogs> ok ill ive it a go
[14:06] <francesco2> EriC^^: no such file or directory, yes it says read-only file system
[14:07] <sacarlson1> FuXXz: wow I'm not sure what you did, sounds like more that what you state.  I guess boot in as single user and some how fix the /etc/passwd file
[14:07] <EriC^^> francesco2: what do you mean no such file or directory?
[14:07] <learning> I am running 3 VMs. I call them: M1, M2, M3. Here M1 needs to speak with M2 & M3. Same way, M2 needs to speak with M3. I am looking to setup stunnel for secure communication. Is it possible to setup one instance of stunnel talking to two different ports
[14:07] <EriC^^> francesco2: please type mount | grep /home , and paste here please
[14:07] <ASHER1> sacarlson1
[14:07] <ASHER1> yes i am sure and this no work
[14:07] <sacarlson1> FuXXz: by any chance did you save a copy of the original /etc/passwd file?
[14:08] <learning> stunnel m1 to m2; stunnel m1 to m3. stunnel m2 to m3
[14:08] <Apollo> hi everyone
[14:08] <FuXXz> i change the value in passwd with editor in plesk and i read that this is not good :) always use vipw
[14:08] <h16h> hi, i have an ntfs drive mounted via /etc/fstab (mount 1). I'm trying to mount again to a sub directory in "mount 1" so an ftp user can have read only access, but I get this warning on --bind --ro:  warning: FOLDER seems to be mounted read-write
[14:08] <Apollo> i have a problem can someone help me¿?
[14:08] <FuXXz> i have still access to all files with my plesk
[14:08] <francesco2> EriC^^: I did it
[14:08] <Apollo> my computer "shit ubuntu"
[14:08] <somsip> threecatstwodogs: *cp* everything to the new device. Some things need to stay accessible in /var
[14:08] <k1l> ASHER1: why do you refuse to show the pastebin i ask for since 2 days to help you?
[14:08] <EriC^^> francesco2: ok, what does it return?
[14:08] <ASHER1> k1l this no working in ubuntu 14 only work in 10.04
[14:08] <Apollo> don't mount devices
[14:08] <EriC^^> ( if anything )
[14:08] <ASHER1> i give to you all paste what i do in terminal
[14:08] <Esor> when is going to be released a new ubuntu version?
[14:08] <Apollo> and yes i have read all logs
[14:08] <ASHER1> what more you need?
[14:09] <somsip> Esor: later this month. 26th from memory
[14:09] <sacarlson1> FuXXz: more important if you play with files like that copy the orgininal to like /etc/passwd.org  to make it easy in the event you make an error
[14:09] <FuXXz> and this error is in the auth.log http://pastebin.com/bUj3d6DZ
[14:09] <Apollo> and i haven't found anything, do u  have some ideas?
[14:09] <ASHER1> this all command to install
[14:09] <ASHER1> python python-twisted python-twisted-bin python-twisted-core python-twisted-runner python-twisted-names python-twisted-mail python-twisted-words python-twisted-web python-zope.interface python-openssl openjdk-6 mercurial
[14:09] <h16h> Apollo: what is my alternative?
[14:09] <datoldminer> what vps daemon do you guys use?
[14:09] <ASHER1> in ubuntu 10 this work good
[14:09] <FuXXz> i have copied it and restored it
[14:09] <k1l> ASHER1: show the "apt-get install" command with the packages told on the howto site and show the command and the output in a pastebin
[14:09] <FuXXz> :(
[14:09] <somsip> Esor: correction - 23rd
[14:09] <Esor> thats great, can't wait
[14:09] <francesco2> EriC^^: nothing :)
[14:10] <ASHER1> k1l you funny about me my friend?
[14:10] <EriC^^> francesco2: ok, then you don't have a seperate /home partition mounted
[14:10] <sacarlson1> FuXXz: ok that's just one user so there must be other sudo user still working?
[14:10] <Apollo> h16h i don't know for this reason i ask! Please help me
[14:10] <EriC^^> francesco2: so it's not that the filesystem is mounted as read-only, most likely
[14:10] <Apollo> i'm using the last version
[14:11] <EriC^^> francesco2: can you please type ls -l /.Xauthority and paste here?
[14:11] <k1l> ASHER1: no. where is the problem that you prove that the packages are installed?
[14:11] <h16h> Apollo: sorry i thought you were responding my question
[14:11] <ASHER1> i install
[14:11] <ASHER1> everything from packages
[14:11] <k1l> ASHER1: you _say_ you installed, but you did not show any prove yet.
[14:11] <FuXXz> i only changed falk:x:10000:1005::/var/www/vhosts/domain.de:/bin/bash to falk:x:10000:1005::/var:/bin/bash
[14:11] <ASHER1> this i show to you everything working
[14:12] <ASHER1> what prove you need?
[14:12] <ASHER1> install everything there?
[14:12] <ASHER1> no problem
[14:12] <k1l> ASHER1: so make "sudo apt-get install package package package .." and then show the command and the output in a pastebin
[14:12] <Apollo> h16h ou sorry bro,what was u question maybe i can help u ,but i need to fix mine before
[14:12] <FuXXz> this doesnt work so i restored it! i never change other values! and now i get /bin/bash\r does not exist? ans ssh_host_ecdsa_key not exist?
[14:12] <Apollo> nooneeeeee sureee!!!! Thanks for ignore me
[14:13] <EriC^^> francesco2: please type mount | awk '$3 ~ /\/$/' and paste here
[14:13] <francesco2> unable to open /var/lib/sudo/username/tty1 readnoly file system , ls cannot access /.Xauthority no such file or directory
[14:13] <FuXXz> all users dont work, also root dont work! all get access denied
[14:13] <h16h> hi, i have an ntfs drive mounted via /etc/fstab . I'm trying to mount again a sub directory of that mount so an ftp user can have read only access, but I get this warning on --bind --ro:  warning: FOLDER seems to be mounted read-write
[14:13] <EriC^^> francesco2: try to type mount | awk '$3 ~ /\/$/' and paste here
[14:13] <sacarlson1> FuXXz: is the system remote?
[14:14] <sacarlson1> FuXXz: remote meaning not on site?
[14:16] <FuXXz> i think its a problem with this shit editor in plesk power panel :( http://serverfault.com/questions/480806/ssh-root-access-denied-after-changing-shell
[14:16] <reisio> any panel qualifies as that
[14:16] <francesco2> EriC^^: /dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-root on type ext4 (rw, errors=remount-ro)
[14:16] <Apollo> thanks for all
[14:16] <EriC^^> francesco2: ok, it's mounted as rw
[14:16] <FuXXz> remote? on site? its a vserver online
[14:17] <k1l> ASHER1: so will you show that apt-get install and the output or not? if not i can close all the tabs in browser with documentation and you can stop asking in here and try to make fool of us
[14:17] <ASHER1> k1l
[14:17] <ASHER1> take my friend
[14:17] <ASHER1> http://pastebin.com/BAHapT2i
[14:17] <EriC^^> francesco2: do you have any other partitions, is /var on a seperate partition?
[14:17] <FuXXz> there is also a passwd- next to the passwd. from yesterday. is this a save copy?
[14:18] <FuXXz> maybe i can simple use this instead of the original
[14:18] <francesco2> EriC^^: no only one
[14:18] <EriC^^> francesco2: any background to what happened?
[14:18] <sacarlson1> FuXXz: the point is you need to boot in single user mode if you don't have any other working accounts to fix the /etc/passwd file http://www.itzgeek.com/how-tos/linux/ubuntu-how-tos/recover-your-system-with-single-user-mode-in-ubuntu-ubuntu-11-10.html#axzz3GbHuoGZs
[14:18] <EriC^^> did you chmod / chown /var or something?
[14:18] <FuXXz> ok i will read this now
[14:19] <francesco2> mmm in short I did something stupid and I typed chmod 666 I suppose
[14:19] <francesco2> xD
[14:19] <sacarlson1> FuXXz: it doesn't matter what editor broke it, that is the only way to fix it
[14:19] <EriC^^> can you get the exact command?
[14:19] <FuXXz> first i try with this other passwd file, to renaume it to the original one
[14:19] <francesco2> I was trying to fix a thing and I broke everything :D
[14:20] <sacarlson1> FuXXz: how can you change the password file if you can't login?
[14:20] <FuXXz> this looks like gui, i dont have this :)
[14:20] <FuXXz> i have plesk and plesk power panel
[14:20] <FuXXz> there i can use the filebrowser and can still access all files
[14:20] <EriC^^> press ctrl+r, then type the beginning of the command you issued, and press ctrl+r to search for it
[14:20] <sacarlson1> FuXXz: I don't know what plesk is
[14:21] <FuXXz> vserver admin software
[14:21] <EriC^^> francesco2: i think you might have set most of the files to 666 (no execution bit)
[14:21] <k1l> ASHER1: so finally. what is the issue now?
[14:21] <FuXXz> some servers have parallels plesk
[14:22] <sacarlson1> FuXXz: I take it plesk or this whole system is some remote server
[14:22] <MonkeyDust> FuXXz  what's plesk?
[14:22] <k1l> ASHER1: why do you install python 2.7.5 manually?
[14:23] <k1l> ASHER1: why dont you use the ubuntu python?
[14:23] <sacarlson1> FuXXz: oh ok then I'm not sure how you fix it.  maybe a full reset of the sytem to create a fresh virtual system?
[14:23] <threecatstwodogs> moving /var to the new device worked :)
[14:23] <sacarlson1> MonkeyDust: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plesk
[14:24] <EriC^^> threecatstwodogs: great :)
[14:24] <MonkeyDust> sacarlson1  yes, just found it
[14:24] <k1l> ASHER1: as in the HOWTO: "Install the following packages:    python (must be at least 2.5)."  ubuntu 14.04 ships python 2.7.5
[14:24] <k1l> ASHER1: so the issue is your python mess, and not ubuntu
[14:25] <MonkeyDust> FuXXz  there's also #ubuntu-server
[14:25] <FuXXz> ah ok, maybe iam wrong here :) but the tip with single user is usefull :) i will ask there but many thanks for your time
[14:26] <sacarlson1> MonkeyDust: FuXXz: as far as I'm concerned it's out of our hands if you can't boot and control the ubuntu server and plesk is the only tool to fix it then you should be getting advice on how to use plesk
[14:28] <francesco2> EriC^^: what can i doc?
[14:28] <francesco2> do*
[14:28] <EriC^^> well first let's be sure of what happened
[14:29] <EriC^^> if the permissions are all screwed up in "/" then you have to backup and fresh install, i guess
[14:30] <MonkeyDust> francesco2  golden rule: always make sure you have a backup
[14:30] <k1l> ASHER1: so is there a reason you dont use the original ubuntu python?
[14:30] <Gunner76th> ok so I reall hope someone here is able to help me figure out what is going on. Last night I installed Java 7 folling the instructions found on this page http://www.wikihow.com/Install-Oracle-Java-on-Ubuntu-Linux After a reboot my computer is unable to perform apt-get as it responds back with "Failed to fetch"
[14:30] <Gunner76th> I am able to ping 8.8.8.8 however if I try to ping us.archive.ubuntu.com it responds with unknown host. If I try the same ping command from my windows computer, it responds back as expected with decent ping times
[14:31] <EriC^^> francesco2: it's ok, your personal files won't be affected, most likely, you'll have to get a list of your installed packages, and back up your /home/<user>, ( or others too ) and then fresh install
[14:32] <EriC^^> francesco2: backups are of course very important as well, but you'll get the system back as it is
[14:32] <francesco2> I see thank you :))
[14:33] <sacarlson1> k1| ASHER1 I think he's not really running ubuntu he's just trying to fix his problem by making us think he has ubuntu installed and that is why he can't provide the paistbins you requested
[14:34] <sacarlson1> k1| ASHER1  the returned numbers don't match ubuntu 14.04 so he could not have followed the instructions he pointed to
[14:34] <EriC^^> francesco2: no problem
[14:34] <a7p> hi everyone
[14:35] <k1l> sacarlson1: yes. the last pastebin shows a manual install of python and twisted. and that is making issues. but ASHER1 is not listening at all but repeating his question over and over again since days/weeks
[14:36] <a7p> I need to modify the limit of allowed file descriptors in a running process - older versions of ubuntu don't ship with versions of linux-util new enough to do that (eventhough the kernel is capable of doing it - is there any way to archive it another way?)
[14:37] <francesco2> I don't understand if it is a read-only file system why using sudo I cannot change it to 775 or 777?
[14:37] <francesco2> should be a way to roll it back
[14:38] <reisio> francesco2: chmod involves writing
[14:39] <EriC^^> francesco2: i'm still not sure what's happened
[14:39] <EriC^^> francesco2: you're booted into tty1 right now?
[14:41] <sacarlson1> francesco2: EriC^^ it seems that at least his /home or parts of it might be a partition that is mounted read only.  we could check to see how things are persently mounted on your system with the command mount
[14:41] <EriC^^> sacarlson1: i checked, /home isn't seperate, and "/" is mounted as rw
[14:41] <EriC^^> he says he has no other partitions
[14:42] <EriC^^> francesco2: please type ls -ld /var/lib/sudo
[14:42] <EriC^^> and paste here
[14:42] <francesco2> ok I try :)
[14:42] <sacarlson1> EriC^^: oh ok then I don't understand why he can't change permitions then.  are the partitions maybe fat32 or non perm type
[14:43] <EriC^^> sacarlson1: nope ext4 i think
[14:43] <EriC^^> he said he issued a command involving chmod 666
[14:43] <francesco2> drwx------- 3 root 4096 kwi 23 12:03 /var/lib/sudo
[14:44] <EriC^^> francesco2: ok, looks like the permissions for that directory is correct
[14:44] <sacarlson1> EriC^^: yes I saw that part but where did he do the chmod and was it recusive
[14:44] <EriC^^> so you didn't issue a chmod 666 to "/" i think?
[14:44] <francesco2> I remember that after typing it, he says I wanted to change the ownership of all my files to me
 ASHER1: so is there a reason you dont use the original ubuntu python?
[14:45] <ASHER1> i used k1l
[14:45] <francesco2> but he did a mistake and he was in my same situation
[14:45] <ASHER1> why not?
[14:45] <k1l> ASHER1: the trouble you have comes from the python install you made by hand there
[14:46] <ASHER1> then
[14:46] <ASHER1> what i need to do?
[14:47] <EriC^^> francesco2: did you type the command from your username?
[14:47] <k1l> ASHER1: run the HOWTO i linked yesterday and follow it using the ubuntu python. and not the mess you made by hand
[14:48] <francesco2> yes i was not logged as root at that very moment
[14:48] <EriC^^> francesco2: type history | grep "666"
[14:48] <ASHER1> :\ why mess i install this from packa
[14:48] <EriC^^> do you see the command you wrote?
[14:49] <k1l> ASHER1: no, that is a lie! what is that: "root@mircx:~/Python-2.7.5/Twisted-14.0.0#"  it clearly shows you made a manual install
[14:49] <francesco2> nothing i did it too many hours ago
[14:50] <hello> hello
[14:50] <ASHER1> ok then how i remove this?
[14:50] <hello> I am having problems with chrome and chromium
[14:50] <hello> I cant open them
[14:50] <EriC^^> francesco2: that should show all the commands
[14:50] <francesco2> show me only 22 commands
[14:50] <k1l> ASHER1: stop. what is this actually? why do you tell lies and refuse to answer all the time? is this actually an ubuntu system? or what is this?
[14:51] <MonkeyDust> hello  what happens when you try
[14:51] <hello> doesnt open at all
[14:51] <hello> nothing happens
[14:51] <hello> I am runni g xfce4
[14:51] <k1l> ASHER1: if this was an ubuntu you could be done since 2 days already. but you make some secrets and no one will help you that way.
[14:51] <EriC^^> francesco2: yes, the ones which have 666, the ones on the bottom are the most recent
[14:52] <MonkeyDust> hello  "nothing happens" is a bit vague
[14:52] <hello> well I click the app and nothing happens
[14:52] <user_> Guys, i've got a cpu Amd E2-3800. My question is, it will only support amd 64 bit versions or i could install i386 ?
[14:52] <k1l> hello: start a terminal and then do start chromium from there. maybe it will show some errormessages. pastebin them please
[14:52] <hello> chromiu  or chrome dont appear
[14:52] <francesco2> so no 666 :(
[14:52] <EriC^^> ok
[14:52] <francesco2> but doesn't exist anything else except chmod to change permission?
[14:53] <k1l> user_: is there a reason you want 32bit?
[14:53] <MonkeyDust> hello  what's the output of   cat /etc/issue
[14:53] <user_> k1l, well not really. but i think is there more packages for 32 bit version than 64 bit
[14:54] <k1l> user_: no that thought is wrong. ubuntu uses multiarch. so if your hardware can use 64bit go with 64bit
[14:54] <ASHER1> k1l if i worng in something then i never give up
[14:54] <user_> k1l, the ram limitation only occours on windows right? because on win we can olny got 3gb ram in 32 bit
[14:54] <ASHER1> if this ok remove python from root and install again?
[14:55] <EriC^^> francesco2: it might have to do with the filesystem being read-only and not chmod
[14:55] <k1l> user_: that is not about ram size.
[14:55] <EriC^^> francesco2: please can you try history | grep chmod ?
[14:55] <k1l> ASHER1: why do you run "./setup.py" at all? its not needed. follow the howto i linked
[14:56] <francesco2> i check with chmod -v says filename failed to change mode of .... from 0700 to 775
[14:56] <yorwos> i just got in proposed updates something called wayland impemantation bla lba , did i get mir/wayland something i dont get it ? am i usong xorg or mir now ?
[14:56] <francesco2> ok
[14:56] <francesco2> there are only the last commands
[14:56] <francesco2> nothing old
[14:56] <k1l> yorwos: dont activate proposed. they are for automated testings.
[14:57] <yorwos> um how can i remove them ? i just installed them !?!
[14:57] <EriC^^> are you using root right now?
[14:57] <ASHER1> k1l my friend i dont know what is mean howto
[14:57] <yorwos> they were too many
[14:57] <k1l> ASHER1: really? i linked that: qwebirc.org/installation a lot now to you
[14:57] <EriC^^> francesco2: try grep chmod /home/<your username>/.bash_history
[14:58] <k1l> yorwos: uncheck the proposed repos in the system updates settings
[14:58] <TheOlaGuy> Hello, I am trying to install Ubuntu on Windows 7 with dual-boot using Wubi but I am currently having an error could anyone help me out please? Thanks in advance.
[14:58] <ASHER1> ok
[14:58] <ASHER1> then what i need to do?
[14:58] <ASHER1> install again this?
[14:58] <ASHER1> remove and install
[14:59] <k1l> TheOlaGuy: wubi is very hard to support and most users suggest to make a native install on real partitions
[14:59] <sacarlson1> TheOlaGuy: do they still support wubi?   I thought it was discontinued
[14:59] <k1l> !dualboot | TheOlaGuy
[14:59] <francesco2> EriC^^: empty :)
[14:59] <francesco2> i know it seems strange to me as well
[14:59] <k1l> sacarlson1: unfortunately its still included in the iso even it doesnt work with windows 8
[14:59] <sacarlson1> !wubi
[14:59] <kostkon> yorwos, open your updater, click on settings, check uncheck the Proposed updates
[14:59] <yorwos> i did untick proposed in updater , but what about those that installed already ?
[14:59] <EriC^^> francesco2: ? it didn't return anything?
[14:59] <francesco2> no
[14:59] <kostkon> check -> then*
[14:59] <TheOlaGuy> Thank you very much I will try out your options.
[15:00] <sacarlson1> k1| IC
[15:00] <EriC^^> francesco2: ls -l /home/<your username>/.bash_history
[15:00] <EriC^^> francesco2: what does that return?
[15:00] <yorwos> should i format and reinstall ubuntu ?
[15:01] <k1l> ASHER1: sry, but are you able to read? the link explains what you need to do. just read it.
[15:01] <francesco2> rw ----------1 root <user name> 729 paz 19 13:05 /home/marina/.bash_history
[15:01] <Mittles> hi
[15:02] <Mittles> is there a ppa for newer (testing) kernels?
[15:02] <k1l> !mainline | Mittles
[15:02] <MonkeyDust> yorwos  are you testing !wayland and !mir?
[15:02] <EriC^^> francesco2: ok, we're getting somewhere
[15:02] <sacarlson1> ASHER1:   I'm not sure if you installed parts of your system not using released ubuntu packages then we don't know were they are or how to find and  delete them.
[15:02] <k1l> yorwos: no. no need to
[15:02] <yorwos> no i installed by mistake with the rest lot of proposed
[15:02] <Mittles> k1l, I know of it. I guess it can't be added to apt?
[15:03] <ASHER1> ok
[15:03] <EriC^^> francesco2: type sudo grep "ch" /home/<your username>/.bash_history
[15:03] <k1l> Mittles: what is the idea behind it? for testing a .deb should work
[15:04] <sacarlson1> ASHER1: maybe try in a virtualbox to install another sytem per the provided instructions and see from a fresh install of ubuntu if it would work
[15:04] <k1l> Mittles: for "omg omg omg omg i need the latest kernel asap!!!111" that is a different task
[15:04] <Mittles> k1l, m-maybe
[15:05] <ASHER1> i run this before on ubuntu10
[15:05] <ASHER1> this work well
[15:05] <k1l> ASHER1: where is your problem now?
[15:05] <ASHER1> i want remove the python
[15:05] <k1l> ASHER1: follow the howto and it will work
[15:05] <ASHER1> but i am afriend :\
[15:06] <k1l> ASHER1: just dont care about it now.
[15:06] <francesco2> EriC^^: I am trying to use apt-get --reinstall install but even though don't work
[15:07] <EriC^^> francesco2: what for?
[15:07] <francesco2> I found this article https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/84090/how-can-i-revert-a-chmod-on-the-etc-directory
[15:07] <k1l> Mittles: i dont see a PPA maintained by the team. so the .deb are what you got
[15:08] <francesco2> How can I revert my etc directory to its earlier state?
[15:08] <francesco2> If you use a RPM-based distro, this can be done using the rpm --setperms command, it would be painfully reverting one by one the packages, on Debian-like system apt-get --reinstall install is your friend. Other solutions may be available, but would need a working system for it.
[15:08] <EriC^^> francesco2: /etc has configs of packages, so that's why the --reinstall was suggested
[15:09] <EriC^^> still it's pretty hacky and ugly
[15:09] <EriC^^> he's basically saying to reinstall every package on the system
[15:09] <EriC^^> still there would be files with wrong permissions too
[15:09] <francesco2> yes, but ofc it tells me tty1 is read-only
[15:09] <francesco2> so nada
[15:10] <francesco2> :(
[15:10] <EriC^^> the sudo grep isn't working?
[15:10] <EriC^^> ok
[15:10] <k1l> is the partition readonly?
[15:10] <EriC^^> k1l: no it's mounted as rw
[15:10] <francesco2> yes
[15:10] <francesco2> ok :D
[15:10] <francesco2> eric no more :D
[15:10] <francesco2> know
[15:10] <EriC^^> francesco2: you can't run sudo cat
[15:10] <EriC^^> something is messed up
[15:11] <EriC^^> try to get into recovery mode and drop into a root shell
[15:11] <francesco2> what i am doing
[15:11] <EriC^^> at least we can find out what's happened and if it's recoverable
[15:11] <francesco2> yes I am there already because it is on my second pc
[15:12] <EriC^^> type id
[15:12] <EriC^^> or whoami
[15:12] <francesco2> now I am operating as francesco
[15:12] <Surendil> francesco2: what's the problem?
[15:13] <Keanu73> who's the guy that told me about his backdoor-1.0.1.deb?
[15:13] <sacarlson1> Keanu73: that would be me
[15:13] <Keanu73> oh yes!
[15:13] <Keanu73> ohhh
[15:13] <francesco2> Surendil: sudo chmod -R 700  on evey my file xD
[15:14] <Surendil> O_o
[15:14] <Keanu73> O_O
[15:14] <francesco2> and I am screwed :D
[15:14] <Surendil> ¬_¬
[15:14] <k1l> francesco2: honestly: make a reinstall. save important data from a live cd
[15:14] <Keanu73> ¬_¬
[15:14] <francesco2> nothing importan on
[15:14] <Nokiabot> Any gud video editor for ubuntu ?
[15:15] <francesco2> Iv could format it immediately, but i am more interested to find a solution
[15:15] <EriC^^> Nokiabot: openshot is ok
[15:15] <k1l> then make a reinstall. you are never gettin all permission back to original again.
[15:15] <Keanu73> francesco2: do sudo chmod -R 775 on all of your files
[15:15] <Keanu73> I mean
[15:15] <Keanu73> 777
[15:15] <Surendil> yeap, reinstall, if you have /home another partition, most cfgs are safe
[15:15] <Keanu73> do sudo chmod -R 777
[15:15] <k1l> that is bad, too. Keanu73 francesco2
[15:15] <Keanu73> oh.
[15:15] <Keanu73> I thought 777 was write permission and other permissions?
[15:15] <cfhowlett> Nokiabot, basic editing: openshot.  prosumer level editing: cinelerra-cv
[15:15] <k1l> Keanu73: that is litterally spoiling everything that makes linux quite safe from the start
[15:16] <EriC^^> Keanu73: all files aren't 777
[15:16] <Keanu73> oh..
[15:16] <ASHER1> lol
[15:16] <ASHER1> i remove all python
[15:16] <Nokiabot> Eric:thanx will check and and any good data recovery soft with nice gui
[15:16] <Keanu73> what are all files then
[15:16] <ASHER1> Bye Bye system
[15:16] <k1l> Keanu73: 777 means: everybody who wants can do what he wants. so security is gone off at all.
[15:16] <Keanu73> hmm
[15:16] <Keanu73> 775?
[15:16] <EriC^^> Nokiabot: testdisk is ok, it uses ncurses, so not really gui
[15:16] <k1l> Keanu73: stop
[15:16] <Keanu73> ok ok
[15:17] <Surendil> ASHER1: hahaha, did the same couple of days ago
[15:17] <Nokiabot> Cfhowlett:openshot will do i think :)
[15:17] <k1l> Keanu73: every file got his own file permission. so to make all the same is not going to work. that is why a reinstall is the best solution in that worst case
[15:17] <Keanu73> oh ok
[15:17] <Keanu73> Guest-7660 is in Hungary O_o
[15:17] <Keanu73> Szia Guest-7660
[15:18] <Keanu73> Hogy vagy, Guest-7660?
[15:18] <cfhowlett> Nokiabot, quite easy to figure out
[15:19] <Nokiabot> Eric:humm seems familear need to check i forgot and anything else ?
[15:19] <francesco2> EriC^^: So what can i do after :)?
[15:19] <Nokiabot> Cfhowlett: will see :)
[15:21] <EriC^^> francesco2: as i said if you did indeed change permissions on all the files, backup and fresh install
[15:21] <EriC^^> francesco2: the command you issued should be in the .bash_history
[15:22] <francesco2> even though it is a mistery why i cannot change to 777 or 775 all files even if it is a mistake I should be able to do it
[15:22] <EriC^^> francesco2: again, you said 666 at first, now 700, it might be neither
[15:22] <EriC^^> francesco2: you're .bash_history is owned by root, so you've done something else too
[15:22] <francesco2> i said 700 because doing chmod -v - R
[15:23] <francesco2> it was written 700
[15:23] <EriC^^> francesco2: what do you a mystery?
[15:23] <EriC^^> you can't run sudo even
[15:23] <EriC^^> francesco2: did you get into the recovery root shel;?
[15:24] <EriC^^> *shell
[15:24] <francesco2> yes
[15:24] <EriC^^> so you are root@blabla right now?
[15:24] <sacarlson1> EriC^^: oh that might be the reason since sudo won't work if the perms are set incorectly to make a security risk, maybe that's whay francesco2 can't do sudo stuf?
[15:25] <cat_five> can someone please help me figure out why my SIMPLE xargs command isn’t working? https://gist.github.com/anonymous/90827eb9f781e430ee7c
[15:25] <EriC^^> sacarlson1: yes i think the permissions/ownership is messed up and he can't issue sudo commands, most likely
[15:25] <francesco2> EriC^^: yes
[15:25] <francesco2> sacarlson1: yes ;)
[15:25] <francesco2> :)
[15:26] <francesco2> root@francesco:/#
[15:27] <EriC^^> francesco2: are you on the same pc, the issue is on?
[15:27] <EriC^^> ( it sounds stupid but.. )
[15:27] <francesco2> i am chatting from a different pc
[15:27] <EriC^^> so that prompt is on the pc you molested?
[15:27] <francesco2> yup :D
[15:28] <EriC^^> ok, great
[15:28] <EriC^^> type grep "ch" /home/<your username>/.bash_history
[15:28] <Shunya> Hello
[15:29] <EriC^^> AlexQ: hey man
[15:29] <dragosmc> hi guys. do you have any clue on why would the "separate /boot partition" option is disabled in boot-repair?
[15:29] <EriC^^> AlexQ: glad it worked out :D saw the msg today when i got up
[15:30] <francesco2> ok what i can only see here it is a sudo chmode 4755 /usr/bin/zmfix
[15:30] <Shunya> In blender site.. it's 2.7 version to download.. in Ubuntu Software center...still at 2.6 versioin
[15:30] <Shunya> how can i install new version from software center
[15:31] <Shunya> or apt-get
[15:31] <cfhowlett> Shunya, download from blender.  install from source
[15:31] <AlexQ> EriC^^: Ooh, yesterday it didn't work. I tried another tool yesterday and today...
[15:31] <Shunya> cfhowlett, thanks
[15:31] <EriC^^> i thought the dmde worked ?
[15:31] <cfhowlett> Shunya, happy2help
[15:32] <AlexQ> EriC^^: Aaah yeah, it was able to read files etc. It has found the right boot record, and the boot record was all good, linking to MFT table. It is a powerful tool, DMDE
[15:32] <EriC^^> nice
[15:33] <Popcan> can i get help getting genymotion to work for ubuntu 14.04
[15:34] <AlexQ> EriC^^: I have finally noticed that the starting of the disk in partition table is 63 sectors ealier, and that sector indeed was a NTFS boot sector, but the MFT links were linking to some random data... probably some residue or whatever.
[15:34] <EriC^^> i see
[15:36] <EriC^^> francesco2: type ls -l /usr/bin/sudo and paste here
[15:36] <MagicSpud> hello most of my menu shortcuts are lost since I upgraded ubuntu from 12.04 to 14.04 formating system partition...I found some of them (wine) use a .lnk file to trigger the application start. I guess those .lnk files are linking to nothing now. how would I restore them?
[15:36] <francesco2> -rwsr-xr-x 1 roo 155008
[15:37] <EriC^^> francesco2: try to create a new username, maybe that'll work, useradd -m -G sudo,adm <new user>
[15:37] <EriC^^> francesco2: the permissions seem fine
[15:37] <EriC^^> i don't think you set a chmod recursively
[15:37] <EriC^^> or maybe to some particular directory only
[15:38] <Popcan> Can someone help me get genymotion working for ubuntu 14.04 i can get it working but cant get the gapps or arm files into it please help
[15:38] <AlexQ> EriC^^: But even full scan on TestDisk apparently couldn't find the later boot record. That is strange. So I just used DMDE to modify partition table manually (created extended partition on that sector 0 and logical on 63), reboot and chkdsk D: /f; chkdsk did some work, but no errors or whatever, and it seems to be working! Cheers man! And now I have a bit of space to move my Ubuntu there
[15:38] <AlexQ> EriC^^: Going to do it right now. See you!
[15:39] <Popcan> if someone were to answer that would be great
[15:40] <cfhowlett> !patience | Popcan,
[15:43] <MonkeyDust> Popcan  start here https://cloud.genymotion.com/page/support/
[15:43] <sacarlson1> Popcan: I just read the genymotion website.  they claim it only takes 3 clicks to install
[15:44] <dragosmc> hi guys. do you have any clue on why would the "separate /boot partition" option is disabled in boot-repair? i'm trying to create a /boot partition...
[15:44] <francesco2> EriC^^: tell me group '' does not exist
[15:44] <Lucax> how to install things with linux. is there a standard approach so to speak or is each time pinata in the dark
[15:45] <dragosmc> Lucax: isn't it configure, make and make install .. if there is no .deb package ?
[15:45] <cfhowlett> Lucax, multiple methods for installing
[15:45] <day> i installed uim/anthy. I can typep japanese in xterm. But its f.e. not working in a browser. any ideas?
[15:46] <Lucax> for a spoiled windows person who are used to double click on an install.exe file it seems quite complicated, I guess once I have learned the standard approach it will fly on its own
[15:46] <BluesKaj> Lucax, package mangers and terminal commands using your OSs default pacging system is not a shot in the dark
[15:46] <day> Lucax: you will be spoiled by apt-get soon :p
[15:47] <BluesKaj> scuse my spelling
[15:48] <skeny1> trmors
[15:48] <yadelsy> buenos dias
[15:48] <yadelsy> alguien que hable español
[15:48] <MonkeyDust> Lucax  villains are also aware of the easiness to "simply double click to install", hence the many security problems with windows
[15:48] <BluesKaj> Lucax, windows trie too hard to do "everything" for it's users when it comes to installing and sometimes badly
[15:49] <BluesKaj> tries
[15:49] <cfhowlett> !es | yadelsy
[15:50] <EriC^^> francesco2: what you mean group '' ?
[15:50] <Lucax> configure, make, make install, thank you. I will remember that. I guess will sudo apt get-going down the rabbit hole here, my first installation 101 is python and openssl, wish me good luck
[15:50] <francesco2> it writes this
[15:51] <EriC^^> francesco2: don't put a space between sudo,adm
[15:52] <Popcan> scarlson1 i know it is easy to install but once its installed i have to download the game i want to play , unfortunatly genymotion removes the google app store so in the tutorial i has you drag and drop the gapp file which is the google app store i dont know what to do because it keeps failing to flash the files
[15:53] <francesco2> sudo useradd -m -G sudo,adm <name>     -- > cannot lock etc/passwd
[15:53] <francesco2> :'(
[15:53] <EriC^^> francesco2: maybe you're not mounted as rw
[15:53] <EriC^^> type mount / -o remount,rw
[15:54] <EriC^^> i think recovery mode isn't rw by default , you have to enable networking to get rw
[15:55] <Lucax> what is the difference between xz compressed tarball and a Gzipped tarball?
[15:55] <EriC^^> Lucax: one is compressed with xz one with gzip
[15:55] <francesco2> no it worked :D
[15:56] <francesco2> ok i restart
[15:56] <Lucax> does it matter which one I choose?
[15:56] <EriC^^> Lucax: xz might be smaller, but takes longer to extract
[15:57] <EriC^^> gzip is more common i guess
[15:57] <BluesKaj> unp will extract almost any type of compressed files
[15:57] <EriC^^> francesco2: ok
[16:02] <francesco2> lol ok it is stupid but what it the password if i din't set one?
[16:02] <EriC^^> oops
[16:03] <francesco2> shall i back to root?
[16:03] <EriC^^> yeah, you should passwd <username>
[16:03] <EriC^^> yeah
[16:03] <francesco2> damnn XD this laptop need 15 min to restart lol :D
[16:03] <EriC^^> haha :D
[16:03] <Guest56825> i am on a live cd atm i cant install ubuntu , it keeps crushing the installer when it tries to install grub-efi but my laptop doesnt have uefi mode how can i install luna i legacy mode?
[16:05] <cfhowlett> Guest56825, this is ubuntu support - luna is not supported here.  sorry.
 misspell its not luna
[16:06] <cfhowlett> Guest56825, you "misspelled" ubuntu as luna?  seriously?
[16:06] <cfhowlett> !uefi | Guest56825
[16:09] <francesco2> EriC^^: thank you btw :))))
[16:09] <Guest56825> cfhowlett dude the installation is crushing when trying to install grub-efi  i dont have efi, what is the problem how can i install it with legacy grub or what ever
[16:10] <h16h> is anyone having black screen issue with google maps on chrome
[16:10] <h16h> http://tinyurl.com/ohjoqdv
[16:11] <P_O_I_S_O_N> it's happen sometime
[16:12] <francesco2> chrome lastly is giving me a lot of problem
[16:12] <Guest56825> chrome doesnt support flash so till everything starts to work only on html5 you should rly go back to firefox
[16:12] <Guest56825> :D
[16:13] <Guest56825> sorry "adobe flash" cuz they have their own thing
[16:14] <xangua> Guest56825: chrome has flash bundled
[16:15] <BluesKaj> Guest56825, install pepperflashplugin-nonfree if available
[16:21] <EriC^^> francesco2: no problem :)
[16:23] <shibboleth> Can anyone else try this shell extension? https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/307/dash-to-dock/
[16:23] <shibboleth> I cannot make it work on 14.04 gnome-sheel
[16:23] <shibboleth> shell
[16:24] <_clarity> hey, the ubuntu desktop cd is 960megs. Is there a smaller download that I can burn to the 700mb cdroms?
[16:24] <cfhowlett> !mini | _clarity,
[16:24] <shibboleth> _clarity: the server iso
[16:24] <often> the packages can be installed thru updates
[16:24] <_clarity> is the mini the server iso you're saying?
[16:25] <shibboleth> no, but the server iso contains less crap
[16:25] <_clarity> I like crap
[16:25] <cfhowlett> _clarity, lubuntu is 617m
[16:25] <shibboleth> the desktop iso will autoinstall tons of crap *and* unity*cough*spyware*cough*
[16:26] <_clarity> ew
[16:26] <BluesKaj> why cough, just say it
[16:26] <EriC^^> ^^^ what cfhowlett you can get lubuntu and install ubuntu-desktop
[16:26] <_clarity> thanks for the info
[16:26] <k1l> shibboleth: no need for accusations like that in here
[16:26] <EriC^^> ( so you'd have unity )
[16:26] <shibboleth> k1l: does unity upload your search history? yes
[16:26] <EriC^^> *what cfhowlett said
[16:27] <EriC^^> shibboleth: no it doesn'
[16:27] <shibboleth> did they change this recently?
[16:27] <EriC^^> shibboleth: you can turn online searches off if you want
[16:28] <EriC^^> ( as well )
[16:28] <shibboleth> the default behavior is still to upload it, no?
[16:28] <EriC^^> i think it just searches through online stuff, it doesn't upload anything i think
[16:28] <k1l> shibboleth: no need to discuss that in here. its not spyware, then every program connecting to the net would be spyware.
[16:29] <cfhowlett> and it's stupid easy to disable this functionality
[16:30] <shibboleth> convoluted opt-out user tracking=abuse of users ignorance, opt-in user tracking=acceptable
[16:31] <cfhowlett> shibboleth, can we move on now?
[16:31] <shibboleth> cfhowlett: you kept it going
[16:34] <blackyboy> Hi please verify my raid setup, please have a look into pastebin. http://paste.ubuntu.com/8591275/
[16:42] <maimster> Good afternoon all.
[16:43] <maimster> No question today just enjoying the company.
[16:43] <sacarlson1> blackyboy: I assume it's running and working
[16:44] <blackyboy> sacarlson1: yes just before some hours back i have setup-ed and its running i want to confirm whether the setup Procures are right.
[16:45] <sacarlson1> blackyboy: well if it's setup and running then you should know better than we do
[16:46] <blackyboy> sacarlson1: thanks :)
[16:46] <sacarlson1> blackyboy: last time I setup raids was in virtualbox so I couldn't do any real performance testing
[16:47] <blackyboy> sacarlson1: ok fine.
[16:50] <sacarlson1> blackyboy: I wasn't totaly understanding the combo raid 0 and 1, was that just to learn or does it serve some funtion?
[16:51] <blackyboy> sacarlson1: now iam learning
[16:51] <sacarlson1> blackyboy: as it's been some time but I thought with 3 more more there was already redundant data if any single unit fails
[16:52] <blackyboy> yes only data loss while 2 disks fails.
[16:53] <sacarlson1> blackyboy: so with you having 4 units it seems a bit of a waist of resources and speed loss
[16:53] <sacarlson1> blackyboy: did you try any speed test compares?
[16:54] <blackyboy> sacarlson1: yes you right, Just im doing this all for documentation now.
[16:54] <blackyboy> No never tried with speed test we can use dd  for speed test na ?
[16:56] <Alphakarem> Hello Everyone
[16:56] <sacarlson1> blackyboy: well  documentation as really all I did also and only with virtual
[16:57] <Alphakarem> newbie here on Ubuntu and hoping I could get some assistance please
[16:57] <blackyboy> Cool.
[16:57] <daftykins> Alphakarem: sure, ask questions
[16:57] <blackyboy> Alphakarem: just ask your question we are here to assist you :)
[16:58] <Alphakarem> Lirc and Cyberlink Configurations on a 3.17 Kernel arenot working and I can't get my head wrapped around how to do it ... don't even know where to start
[16:59] <daftykins> Alphakarem: why are you running a 3.17 kernel?
[16:59] <Alphakarem> The system I am using is XBMC and I updated the Kernel to 3.17 hoping the driver was upgraded and it would work out of the box but that didn't help
[17:00] <Alphakarem> updated to latest Lirc and still no luck
[17:00] <daftykins> so is this xbmcbuntu?
[17:01] <Alphakarem> I followed some tutorials on how to combine the hid devices into one and seems they are ok using irw as in all keys are showing something but nothing is working as expected
[17:01] <Ultimatespirit_> How do you tell dpkg/apt-get that you already have a dependency? (permanently, the CLI option in dpkg causes all future uses to say the package is unmet it seems)
[17:01] <Alphakarem> daftykins yes
[17:01] <daftykins> Alphakarem: so irw echoes the button presses but you don't get the input passing into XBMC?
[17:01] <Ultimatespirit_> I need this for some texlive packages since I installed it manually as a texlive-local
[17:01] <adebabs> Ho guys
[17:02] <Alphakarem> yes that's the case
[17:02] <sacarlson1> Alphakarem: what is that ir remote control for mythtv?
[17:02] <daftykins> Alphakarem: then this is more an #xbmc thing than ubuntu, but your running a non-stock kernel is not very helpful
[17:03] <Alphakarem> I have no problem wipping the thing off and start over if it would work ! :)
[17:03] <Alphakarem> sacarlson1: I am not using mythtv
[17:03] <sacarlson1> Alphakarem: just the ir remote?
[17:04] <Alphakarem> It's a CyberLink
[17:04] <Alphakarem> branded as Sapphire Theatrix
[17:04] <mnr> hello everyone
[17:04] <sacarlson1> Alphakarem: I had one working back in 2010 that came with some video digitizer tv card
[17:05] <sacarlson1> Alphakarem: it was almost plug and play even back then were you could program the keys to be any standard keystroke
[17:05] <mnr> skype doesnt start after new install... any idea?
[17:06] <Alphakarem> yea, looks like after Kernel 2.6 something there is this integrated driver inserted in the kernel which for some reason conflicts with Lirc
[17:07] <mnr> skype: symbol lookup error: skype: undefined symbol: _ZN19QAbstractProxyModel11setItemDataERK11QModelIndexRK4QMapIi8QVariantE
[17:08] <mnr> plz help?
[17:08] <sacarlson1> Alphakarem: bummer it worked fine before,  I still have it but it's no longer pluged in
[17:08] <cfhowlett> mnr, open a terminal.  start skype in terminal
[17:08] <Acer54> Hi, looks like Ubuntu 14.04 is losing my keyboard-shortcuts ... sometimes. after restart, all shortcuts are working like expected. Are the any suggestions ?
[17:09] <sacarlson1> Alphakarem: it was cool to control my mp3 music player, with volume and skip and random select
[17:09] <mnr> cfhowlett:  after typing it it shows these lines skype: symbol lookup error: skype: undefined symbol: _ZN19QAbstractProxyModel11setItemDataERK11QModelIndexRK4QMapIi8QVariantE
[17:09] <Alphakarem> at this point after 3 weeks of trying I am trowing my hands in the air and thinking about trying my luck with fedora or even back to windows ! :)
[17:09] <daftykins> Alphakarem: 3 weeks? what've you been doing in that time 0o
[17:09] <adebabs> I once installed ubuntu os on my system which runs on windows xp platform....after the installation, i launched the ubuntu os, i logged in ,after a while it displayed one or more errors, there was no icon on the desktop i could launch apart from the ones at the very top right corner....please what can i do to rectify this problem
[17:10] <Alphakarem> Oh believe me I have tried every tutorial I could find !
[17:10] <Alphakarem> lirc, newe kernels, inputlirc, ir-keytables ... even tried some drivers here and there
[17:10] <daftykins> Alphakarem: do a clean install of xbmcbuntu, dist-upgrade it, then ask in #xbmc - this isn't ubuntu support technically.
[17:10] <Alphakarem> have been wipping and starting over and no luck
[17:11] <sacarlson1> Alphakarem: as with most stuf like that I start from the command line to see simple input and later find the path to make use of the data
[17:11] <sacarlson1> Alphakarem: small steps
[17:12] <Alphakarem> sacarlson1: the problem is I am new to ubuntu and linux in general ... I am trying to learn as I am moving but it's not easy .. I am mostly a Windows guy even my profession !
[17:12] <adebabs> i need your help guys
[17:12] <EriC^^> adebabs: with what?
[17:12] <adebabs> I once installed ubuntu os on my system which runs on windows xp platform....after the installation, i launched the ubuntu os, i logged in ,after a while it displayed one or more errors, there was no icon on the desktop i could launch apart from the ones at the very top right corner....please what can i do to rectify this problem
[17:13] <daftykins> Alphakarem: well follow what i said, then you can ask in the channel for #xbmc
[17:13] <EriC^^> adebabs: try to login using the guest account, see if it works
[17:13] <Alphakarem> daftykins: thank you ! I will start that again now and head there hopefully
[17:14] <adebabs> ok
[17:16] <day> im using uim+anthy. Japanese input works in terminals but not in graphical applications. ANY idea, what might cause it?
[17:17] <pwk> hi, trying to install wine 1.7.17 (an older than current version) using the ubuntu wine ppa. My command is "apt-get install wine1.7=1:1.7.17-0ubuntu1 wine1.7-amd64=1:1.7.17-0ubuntu1 wine1.7-i386=1:1.7.17-0ubuntu1" but the problem is that there are unmet dependencies in libgphoto2-2 and libgphoto2-port0, which seem to have been repackaged into a new package. See paste: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/dc956517c84c61ad5a47
[17:17] <Ultimatespirit_> does anyone know how to permanently add a package as installed to apt-get/dpkg? I.e. I have manually installed a package (texlive) and wish to have all dependecies that are fulfilled by texlive be listed as installed
[17:18] <pwk> my question is how i might be able to install this wine version? Can I edit the dependencies to match the new package name or force the package install?
[17:19] <Ultimatespirit_> pwk: Not too sure on this, but apt-build may help if trying to install a package with different dependencies
[17:20] <Ultimatespirit_> it essentially builds the entire package from wource
[17:20] <Ultimatespirit_> *source
[17:22] <EriC^^> Ultimatespirit_: apt-mark , maybe?
[17:28] <sacarlson1> pwk: it looks like ppa wine goes all the way up to like 2.2 and I'm reading you can have more than one version of wine loaded at the same time
[17:29] <leifgw> So, my Linux Mint installation won't boot without the bootable USB inserted. I know this is NOT because grub is only installed on the USB because I have run boot-repair in the installed Linux with the USB taken out, and I still get the same error, grub doesn't even show up, I just get a few lines ending with "Try (hd1,0): EXT2: _"
[17:29] <leifgw> Been troubleshooting this all day and I've tried what feels like everything, where do I even begin to troubleshoot this? Reinstalling grub has done nothing, changing bootable flags has not either
[17:29] <daftykins> !mint | leifgw
[17:31] <sacarlson1> pwk:  did you add the ppa to your repository?
[17:31] <pwk> sacarlson1: yes of course, this is how it is able to find the packages I requested
[17:32] <sacarlson1> pwk: well I don't understand why it has unmet deps
[17:32] <pwk> the problem is simply that the packages of the version i need (1.7.17) have a dependency to a gphoto library that is no longer present
[17:32] <daftykins> because pwk is trying to install something older, obviously
[17:32] <daftykins> on a newer distro, most likely
[17:32] <pwk> yes, on trusty
[17:33] <daftykins> perhaps if you want to run older software you should do so on precise (v12.04)
[17:33] <pwk> the problem seems to be that the wine1.7.17 packages require libgphoto2-2 and libgphoto2-port0, which was replaced by the package libgphoto2-l10n
[17:33] <ki7rw> has anyone used a MSI Z97S SLI Plus board with linux?
[17:33] <daftykins> ki7rw: that's a far too specific question, why don't you ask what's actually happening?
[17:34] <ki7rw> ?
[17:34] <daftykins> as in ask the *next* question
[17:34] <pwk> daftykins: it is only the wine version that need to be at 1.7.17, since they added a bug that breaks the application i use wine for with 1.7.18 and higher...so I am looking to keep the distro version :)
[17:34] <ki7rw> i'm just asking if it's compatible with linux
[17:34] <daftykins> pwk: right, but if they changed those dependancies than you're going to either have to remove them, or revert
[17:35]  * ki7rw thought that was obvious
[17:35] <daftykins> ki7rw: no, and i'm a native english speaker. best to look it up online then
[17:35] <sacarlson1> pwk: I have even older wine on ubuntu trusty  the version is 1.6
[17:35] <ki7rw> daftykins: already tried - no info
[17:35] <pwk> sacarlson1: yes 1.6 is too old sadly :). That's the version you get when you do not use the ppa
[17:36] <sacarlson1> ok
[17:36] <daftykins> ki7rw: probably too new, that sounds like the Haswell-E chipset to me
[17:36] <pwk> so there is no way to tell apt that these two depenencies are present, some kind of "dummy packages" to be inserted?
[17:36] <ki7rw> yep - it is
[17:37] <daftykins> ki7rw: being an early adopter with Linux tends to be a mistake.
[17:37]  * ki7rw thinks he needs a faster mobo considering how long ubuntu 14 takes so long to start up
[17:37] <svarupa> Hello
[17:38] <daftykins> ki7rw: that's a very unlikely conclusion to come to
[17:38] <Surendil> hooooo, lovely net split
[17:38] <daftykins> yeah, they happen - no need to discuss it
[17:38] <Ultimatespirit_> pwk: that's essentially what my question was, to which EriC^^ said "apt-mark, maybe?"
[17:38] <Ultimatespirit_> pwk: So I suppose look into apt-mark
[17:38] <ki7rw> using an lga 775 mobo with 6 GB of memory
[17:39] <ilk> 6 gb is bad you should use 4 or 8
[17:40] <bekks> ilk: That depends on the CPU only.
[17:41] <daftykins> ki7rw: you know you can't use the same processor or RAM from LGA775 yeah?
[17:41] <ki7rw> ilkwhy is that?
[17:42] <ki7rw> daftykins: yep - i'd have to get a new processor and memory for the new mobo
[17:42] <pwk> apt-mark has shockingly few hits when searching it
[17:42] <daftykins> but yeah blaming a motherboard for slow boot is totally wrong
[17:42] <daftykins> ki7rw: what is your OS disk? do you have an SSD?
[17:42] <daftykins> an SSD would be a far more sensible purchase depending on your full current spec
[17:42] <ki7rw> boot up is OK but when the user logs in a takes a long time for the icons and dashboard to show up
[17:43] <ki7rw> daftykins: it's a 500 GB sata drive
[17:43] <daftykins> ki7rw: no more detail than that?
[17:43] <daftykins> ki7rw: was it an upgrade install that's lasted many years?
[17:43] <ki7rw> ilk : why is that?
[17:43] <daftykins> ki7rw: ilk quit ages ago, lol.
[17:44] <ki7rw> ok
[17:44] <ki7rw> i forgot what i upgraded from to get to 14.04
[17:44] <daftykins> if it's not a clean install that's a likely culprit
[17:44] <ki7rw> this problem occurs on all my desktops and laptops
[17:44] <daftykins> but also, getting an SSD is a far more sensible choice than building an entire new Haswell-E system
[17:45] <daftykins> are you doing something odd like keeping the same /home between all of them, or something?
[17:46] <ki7rw> what's odd about keeping /home? it would be a lot of work to backup /home and then restore after a clean upgrade
[17:46] <daftykins> you're keeping your old bad configs that are no doubt causing this issue :)
[17:47] <daftykins> ki7rw: try a guest session out.
[17:47] <ki7rw> ok. i'll spend several more hours to do a totally clean upgrade
[17:47] <ki7rw> err, rather install - not upgrade
[17:48] <daftykins> ki7rw: i'm going to assume that was sarcasm
[17:48] <ki7rw> i thought about getting SSD but i'm not sure if i want to do that
[17:48] <daftykins> ki7rw: that's not necessary, you could just identify what's causing the slowdown
[17:48] <daftykins> and as i say, try a guest session and it should come up nice and fast.
[17:49] <ki7rw> sarcasm? sure is tough to know when someone's being a jerk from text posting, isn't it?
[17:50] <ki7rw> ok. i'll leave now - it's tuff to make my postings clear
[17:50] <daftykins> ki7rw: i'm offering serious advice and you seem to be choosing to take it as offensive somehow, i don't really understand why you're doing that.
[17:51] <ki7rw> nope - no offense taken
[17:51] <daftykins> so you're not willing to just try a guest session before throwing money at this one?
[17:58] <Ultimatespirit_> pwk: I looked it up and it only works if the package is alread installed...
[17:59] <Ultimatespirit_> pwk: that being said it IS possible to make dummy packages, it is how I installed texlive. If you look up how to install texlive ubuntu it should hopefully lead to the SO guide I used
[18:01] <AlexPortable> Deactivating swap. Mount: / is busy. Will now halt. Kvm: exiting hardware virtualization. Sda synchronizing scsi cache. Sda stopping disks. Kvm: exiting hardware virtualization. How can i get my system to shutdown?
[18:01] <pwk> Ultimatespirit_: yeah i noticed about the apt-mark... i will have a look for the texlive
[18:09] <winniwinter> hi
[18:10] <winniwinter> I have some big problems with my server because of an failed upgrade. Someone here who might help me?
[18:10] <proccesserid> hi, what can i do if SIGTERM does not kill my processes?
[18:11] <pavlos> proccesserid, try kill -9 or kill -15 <pid>
[18:11] <winniwinter> I did a do-release-upgrade and during installation I did CTRL+C which canceled the update process
[18:12] <proccesserid> pavlos, thank you for your answer. will those commands free the memory taken by the processes?
[18:12] <winniwinter> after restart I get the screen that says that I can enter the maintenenace shell
[18:12] <winniwinter> but if I want to enter that the system just restarts
[18:13] <pavlos> proccesserid, assuming the process ended, you should reclaim mem
[18:19] <AlexPortable> anyone?
[18:24] <proccesserid> pavlos I used sigkill and it seems that the memory is not as free as it should be. how can i reset it? will a reboot work?
[18:25] <pavlos> proccesserid, a reboot will definitely clean up
[18:25] <MonkeyDust> AlexPortable  better ask in #kvm
[18:25] <proccesserid> great, gonna try it
[18:26] <AlexPortable> MonkeyDust: why? I don't use any KVM software
[18:26] <AlexPortable> I just installed Ubuntu and virtualbox
[18:26] <bekks> AlexPortable: Can you pastebin "sudo dpkg -l | grep kvm" please?
[18:26] <MonkeyDust> AlexPortable  i missed that part in your question
[18:27] <AlexPortable> MonkeyDust: well I'm using ubuntu and ubuntu won't shutdown and gives me that error
[18:27] <AlexPortable> bekks: will try
[18:27] <MonkeyDust> AlexPortable  ubuntu in vbox?
[18:28] <AlexPortable> no
[18:28] <AlexPortable> ubuntu as the main os
[18:29] <B0bsF1sh> If there is a certain cron job that I never want to log normal execution messages, is that something I edit in cron config or rsyslog.conf ?
[18:34] <Dawson> her guys anyone on?
[18:34] <Dawson> hey
[18:34] <Dawson> anyone in here?
[18:35] <daftykins> Dawson: ask a question
[18:35] <Dawson> i am having issues in minecraft
[18:35] <Dawson> fps wise i think ubuntu is using my onboard graphics instead of my 4gb geforce card
[18:36] <daftykins> Dawson: sounds like an nvidia optimus laptop?
[18:36] <Dawson> know anything about it?
[18:36] <Dawson> and not at all
[18:37] <Dawson> im using a HP pavilion intel 2 quad 2.4 ghz with geforce 4gb graphics
[18:37] <Dawson> i recently got onto ubuntu after getting fed up with microsoft for bad support and i go over 300 fps before i swapped
[18:37] <daftykins> can you open a terminal and run "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install pastebinit" then run "lspci | pastebinit" ?
[18:38] <Dawson> give me a sec to do that
[18:38] <Dawson> k both entered in
[18:38] <Dawson> now what dafty
[18:39] <daftykins> Dawson: it should have created a URL which you can paste here
[18:39] <Dawson>  no i dont see it
[18:41] <daftykins> Dawson: after "lspci | pastebinit" yes?
[18:41] <Dawson> no it shows me options like other options pci access options
[18:41] <Dawson> wait nvm
[18:41] <Dawson> says its not installed one second
[18:42] <Dawson> installing one second
[18:42] <Dawson> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8592233/ there ya go dafty
[18:44] <daftykins> Dawson: ok looks like nvidia only, likely you want to try installing an nvidia proprietary driver instead of using the current open source 'nouvea' one, as it may perform better. click the Dash icon top left and type "drivers"
[18:45] <daftykins> Dawson: you should get the additional drivers window where you can select to install an nvidia driver instead.
[18:45] <Dawson> wait so hit windows key then type drivers?
[18:46] <Dawson> k im there now what
[18:46] <EriC^^> does it mention any proprietary drivers?
[18:46] <Dawson> dafty cmon bro help me out here
[18:47] <Dawson> ok so it shows NVIDIA Corporation :GK107
[18:47] <Dawson> then there is a list of 5 drivers
[18:47] <daftykins> Dawson: please don't use street language in here.
[18:47] <Dawson> ok sir
[18:47] <daftykins> Dawson: yeah so pick one
[18:47] <Dawson> any of them?
[18:48] <daftykins> they should have version numbers like 3xx.xx
[18:48] <Dawson> pick the latest number?
[18:48] <OerHeks> gt 650 is good, pick the latest
[18:51] <Dawson> wait open sorce or proprietary
[18:51] <kostkon> Dawson, the proprietary driver
[18:51] <Dawson> ok
[18:51] <Dawson> imma go test real quick
[18:52] <kostkon> Dawson, you need to reboot first
[18:52] <Dawson> oh :3 be right back then
[18:55] <mekhami> why can't i/how do i switch to root user on ubuntu?
[18:55] <bekks> mekhami: You can.
[18:55] <bekks> !root | mekhami
[18:55] <mekhami> i did su root and entered my password ,got authentication failure
[18:55] <daftykins> mekhami: don't use 'su root' in Ubuntu.
[18:56] <mekhami> okay well
[18:56] <mekhami> i can't open/enter a directory without root access?
[18:56] <bekks> mekhami: Then please read the article above on how to use sudo.
[18:57] <B0bsF1sh> If there is a certain cron job that I never want to log normal execution messages, is that something I edit in cron config or rsyslog.conf ? The CMD itself doesn't output anything, it's just cron logging the fact that it executed the job that I want to suppress from syslog.
[18:57] <mekhami> i can't 'sudo cd'
[18:58]  * Alphakarem 
[18:58] <vitimiti> Hi
[18:58] <daftykins> mekhami: there would never be any reason to do that
[18:59] <mekhami> okay, but when i try to enter /var/lib/mysql i get permission denied.
[18:59] <daftykins> maybe it's a file and not a path. "cd /path/"
[18:59] <mekhami> no
[19:00] <daftykins> mekhami: use tab complete to confirm
[19:00] <mekhami> ....
[19:00] <mekhami> ............
[19:00] <mekhami> i'm not a fucking idiot.
[19:00] <bekks> mekhami: /var/lib/myysql is a path.
[19:00] <bekks>  /var/lib/mysql even.
[19:00] <mekhami>  cd /var/lib/mysql/
[19:00] <mekhami> -bash: cd: /var/lib/mysql/: Permission denied
[19:00] <mekhami> cd /var/lib/mysql
[19:00] <mekhami> -bash: cd: /var/lib/mysql: Permission denied
[19:01] <rww> sudo -i
[19:01] <rww> cd /var/lib/mysql
[19:01] <mekhami> thanks that's all i fuckin' needed
[19:02] <daftykins> mekhami: don't use that language or attitude in here please
[19:02] <OerHeks> we don't need that language-choise
[19:02] <mekhami> choice
[19:03] <Kinjafu> Hi, I am looking for information regarding on how to setup xftp (server) for a client to use with dreamweaver.
[19:04] <bekks> Kinjafu: Whats "xftp"? FTP is pretty clear, but whats that xftp?
[19:04] <Gradam> Hi all! Ubuntu beginner here!
[19:04]  * Snake2k randomly hugs Gradam.
[19:04] <proccesserid> hi, i am running a bash file through cron and for some reason, it is not working. it is indicating i have a syntax error. when i run it like./ it works just fine. what might cause it
[19:04] <Kinjafu> According to the person that requested this, it seems to be away to upload an entire website to the server.
[19:05] <proccesserid>     for i in $(ps -aux | grep bom | awk '{print $2}'); do
[19:05] <bekks> Kinjafu: So "xftp" stands for "the FTP server of your choice". :)
[19:05] <Kinjafu> At once without a per-file per-connection request.
[19:05] <proccesserid> is the line being alerted
[19:06] <Surendil> bekks: my guess is for terminal?
[19:06] <proccesserid> the syntax error is tagged as the $ after the word   "in"
[19:06] <bekks> Kinjafu: FTP does work on a per file basis. The FTP client can automagically pussh/pull multiple files.
[19:07] <Surendil> $ defines a variable
[19:07] <bekks> Surendil: Your guess of what?
[19:07] <Surendil> xftp, the x estands for terminal
[19:07] <AlexPortable> bekks:   nothing
[19:07] <skar> hi, i'm trying to login from ubuntu to a remote server, but the ssh command stalls as below and then the connection times out:
[19:07] <skar> debug1: Local version string SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_6.6.1p1 Ubuntu-2ubuntu2
[19:07] <skar> debug1: Remote protocol version 2.0, remote software version OpenSSH_6.2
[19:07] <skar> debug1: match: OpenSSH_6.2 pat OpenSSH* compat 0x04000000
[19:07] <skar> debug2: fd 3 setting O_NONBLOCK
[19:07] <skar> debug3: load_hostkeys: loading entries for host "server_direct" from file "/home/userk/.ssh/known_hosts"
[19:07] <unopaste> skar you have been muted for 60 seconds as it looks like you are pasting lots of lines into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com and paste just the URL of your data here when you are unmuted
[19:07] <bekks> Surendil: that wouldnt make any sense :)
[19:08] <sacarlson1> proccesserid I should assume the first line of you script is something like #!/bin/bash
[19:08] <proccesserid> yes
[19:08] <Kinjafu> I looked into the xshell 4 software but only seems to be a windows product.
[19:08] <bekks> Kinjafu: Whats "xshell"?
[19:08] <grandrew> hi all! Does anybody know where does this strange prompt sign like "))" come from and how to change it back to "$" in byobu? it is like this: grandrew@108:~/dev/vtrunkd⟫
[19:09] <bekks> Kinjafu: Why dont you just search for "ftp" in your software center application in Ubuntu?
[19:09] <Kinjafu> I don't allow ftp. I use sftp with client certs. ftp is too insecure.
[19:09] <proccesserid> what is the way to make it work in that case?
[19:09] <Kinjafu> XShell: https://www.netsarang.com/products/xsh_detail.html
[19:10] <bekks> Kinjafu: And whats the actual issue then?
[19:11] <AlexPortable> Anyone who can help me out
[19:11] <AlexPortable> ?
[19:11] <Kinjafu> You know what, there probably isn't. I'll see if I can get the person to test this dreamweaver xftp connection.
[19:12] <Surendil> Kinjafu: wouldn't that be sftp?
[19:13] <Kinjafu> Surendil, I think the person that was requesting it might have been incorrect about the connectivity of the dreamweaver software, Surendil.
[19:13] <CarlFK> my laptop doesn't have a disk light.  is there some sort of system monitor that can live in my menu bar (or whatever that bar is called that the clock and battery charge live in)
[19:14] <Kinjafu> Surendil, I am doing the research on the dreamweaver software myself to see what all site management connections it supports and all it's various connection protocols
[19:14] <Surendil> htop
[19:16] <arthurfiggis> always learn something useful here :) i know i've heard htop mentioned before but i've never used it until it was just mentioned there, so much better than the regular ol' top (for quick readability anyway)
[19:16] <rww> htop is <3
[19:17] <Surendil> you also have iftop, just  like top, but show interface eth or wlan defined
[19:19] <arthurfiggis> rww: along with matched up, full command lines for each process by default...not a support issue i know,  but still, very useful :) i haven't tried iftop before either, that might be worth a look as well
[19:20] <AlexPortable> Deactivating swap. Mount: / is busy. Will now halt. Kvm: exiting hardware virtualization. Sda synchronizing scsi cache. Sda stopping disks. Kvm: exiting hardware virtualization. How can i get my system to shutdown?
[19:22] <geirha> Did you install guest additions?
[19:22] <AlexPortable> yes
[19:22] <AlexPortable> but what does that haves to do with virtualbox?
[19:22] <proccesserid> i got it working thanks for helping out sacarlson1
[19:22] <flinn> hey guys, im having a bit of a problem; I want to use soundcloud on firefox but it's not working. I've installed pepper flash and it works when I use chromium but I'd much prefer to use firefox
[19:23] <Surendil> AlexPortable: two tottally differet things
[19:23] <AlexPortable> ?
[19:24] <geirha> oh I see, it's not the vbox guest that fails to shut down, it's the host, which in turn is a virtual machine
[19:25] <geirha> AlexPortable: A VPS or something?
[19:25] <Surendil> flinn: apt-get install flashplugin-installer
[19:29] <flinn> Surendil: I tried using the Adobe Flash but it didn't work
[19:31] <Surendil> did you try opera? (not serious)
[19:34] <jey> how to get my registration code for my linux community registration
[19:35] <ganjal06> how to install dolby on ubuntu 14.04
[19:36] <k1l_> jey: ask the linux community who offers the registration?
[19:36] <froschcon> hi all
[19:36] <Surendil> jey: https://launchpad.net/codeofconduct
[19:37] <froschcon> i am running an ubuntu 14.04 livecd image and i installed wireshark. but it cant capture packets from my device. what can i do?
[19:40] <froschcon> no takers?
[19:40] <daftykins> froschcon: what are you trying to achieve? did you run it as root?
[19:40] <FailFarm> froschcon, be patient
[19:41] <froschcon> oh
[19:42] <Surendil> fo
[19:42] <froschcon> what is the administrative password on the livecd?
[19:42] <daftykins> there isn't one
[19:42] <froschcon> i hit return and the dialog with the password question re-appears
[19:42] <froschcon> i try to use gksu btw
[19:43] <daftykins> so you're in a GUI terminal typing what?
[19:44] <Basichash> Guys i need help, the internet stopped working on my debian machine, theres no internet icon
[19:44] <froschcon> i did a "sudo su -" and then a "gksu wireshark" and now it kind of works
[19:44] <daftykins> Basichash: this is ubuntu support, not debian
[19:44] <Surendil> froschcon: live's usually don't require passwd for root
[19:44] <k1l_> basichash: ok, then ask in #debian for support :)
[19:44] <daftykins> froschcon: you should never use 'sudo su' on ubuntu
[19:45] <daftykins> froschcon: furthermore, you're duplicating the task of switching to root, then using 'gksu' which is ultimately 'gksudo', so just type wireshark on its' own
[19:45] <froschcon> either way, it "worked"
[19:46] <daftykins> froschcon: it's bad practice, don't use it. "sudo -i" or "sudo -s" in future
[19:46] <daftykins> just because something works doesn't mean it's a good idea.
[19:46] <Surendil> froschcon: sudo -i
[19:46] <Surendil> or sudo su - root
[19:46] <jey> who offers the registration
[19:47] <froschcon> ok, thanks!
[19:47] <k1l_> jey: what registration?
[19:47] <daftykins> !register | jey
[19:47] <jey> linux community registration
[19:48] <k1l_> jey: where did you read that?
[19:49] <jey> i need to register linux community
[19:49] <k1l_> jey: its not ubuntu related support so please ask in ##linux
[19:50] <jey> thank you
[19:50] <OerHeks> register ubuntu.com?
[19:50] <OerHeks> oh
[19:54] <jarnos> I connected my smart phone using USB cable in MTP mode. I can find my camera files at /run/user/1000/gvfs/mtp:host=%5Busb%3A002%2C007%5D/Card/DCIM/Camera However, when I try to copy files from the device to hard disk using cp, it says "cannot open <file> for reading: Operation not supported even if "ls -la" shows I have read and write access to the file.
[19:54] <Sunstream> what happened earlier that caused "Closed socket" did someone script kick everyone?
[19:55] <Sunstream> jarnos, you try to do it within the GUI as opposed to CLI ?
[19:55] <jarnos> However, I can copy the files in file manager, but why not by cp.
[19:55] <Sunstream> probally where you was copying at
[19:56] <Sunstream> Does the folder you have it in have w?
[19:56] <jarnos> Sunstream, I want to backup my files by a script.
[19:56] <Sunstream> you have write access in the folder you was in at the time you attempted to cp?
[19:56] <Surendil> anybody playing INGRESS around?
[19:57] <ExtraCarpety> I created a new user, user is also an admin, and I have entered his username manually in sshd_config, but that user still cannot connect using SSH
[19:57] <ExtraCarpety> Any ideas?
[19:57] <Sunstream> sometimes I ran into a rw issue and the only way I got around it was GUI or sudo cp
[19:58] <william101> ExtraCarpety: hello, first of all, did you restart sshd daemon ?
[19:58] <Sunstream> reason sudo is to override such permission issues
[19:58] <ExtraCarpety> william101, yes
[19:58] <fattaneh> HI All. i have an freedom application in one of my vm's can i use this in other vm's too. or i should have a same app at those too?
[19:58] <ExtraCarpety> I have restarted the entire server, several times.  Config was made a few weeks ago.
[19:59] <Surendil> ExtraCarpety: did you root your phone?
[19:59] <ExtraCarpety> Surendil, this is on an Ubuntu server
[19:59] <ExtraCarpety> But yes, my phone is rooted... irrelevantly.
[19:59] <jarnos> Sunstream, gvfs folder does only have drx
[20:00] <william101> ExtraCarpety: ok,what command did you set in your sshd_config to allow your new user to connect ?
[20:01] <Surendil> ExtraCarpety: i had same problem after  install root, messes up all folders perr
[20:01] <Surendil> permissions
[20:02] <Masrawwy> ExtraCarpety selinux ?
[20:02] <ExtraCarpety> Masrawwy, yes
[20:02] <ExtraCarpety> william101, I didn't set a command that I know of.  I just added the user manually to AllowUsers
[20:03] <ExtraCarpety> So now it reads "AllowUsers ExtraCarpety ExtraCarpety2"
[20:03] <jarnos> Sunstream, using sudo cp does not help
[20:03] <william101> ExtraCarpety: ok, is there any AllowGroups command in your sshd_config file ? Is PermitRootLogin set to false ?...
[20:04] <Sunstream> I know r is read and x is execute w is write is d "directory" and is there r on the files in the directory
[20:04] <ExtraCarpety> PermitRootLogin is set to false, the only group that is there is a group I created trying to solve this problem.
[20:04] <ExtraCarpety> I tried to create a group that is allowed SSH access, and add the user to that group, it had no effect.
[20:05] <Sunstream> well if you cannot get cp to work and sudo don't help but you can copy within the gui then I dont know what to tell you if you can remove the card and put it into a card reader on the system itself it may work it looks like a problem with the mtp protocol of the phone
[20:06] <william101> ExtraCarpety: ok, maybe you should try to create a limited user to connect to ssh instead of an admin-level user.
[20:06] <Sunstream> i never use cp because of the fact I ran into that issue too many times
[20:06] <ExtraCarpety> william101, I've done that, I elevated it to admin to try to see if maybe that solved it.
[20:06] <Surendil> ExtraCarpety: try http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/utils/jmtpfs worked for me
[20:07] <ExtraCarpety> Surendil, why do you keep talking to me about phones and phone-related problems?
[20:07] <ExtraCarpety> This is on a server running Ubuntu LTS 12.04
[20:08] <ExtraCarpety> william101, for what it's worth, the first user I created with the root account is able to access it fine via SSH
[20:08] <Surendil> ExtraCarpety: i mixed nicknames, sorry
[20:09] <ExtraCarpety> That's ok, you just kept doing it so I didn't know what was up.  ;)
[20:09] <jarnos> Sunstream, actually, I want to use rsync, but it does not work either.
[20:09] <jarnos> Surendil, ls tells I have rw access to the files.
[20:09] <ExtraCarpety> brb, restarting server (which is what this connection is routed through)
[20:09] <jarnos> Sunstream, , ls tells I have rw access to the files.
[20:10] <Sunstream> well have you try the chmod on the files in the directory to 777? (rwx all)
[20:10] <Surendil> run jmtpfs as user
[20:10] <Surendil> don't use root
[20:11] <linuxuz3r> smb is not installed by default in 14.04?
[20:11] <geirha> Surendil: chmod 777 is never a solution
[20:11] <geirha> Sunstream: ^ (sorry Surendil)
[20:11] <hecatae> I thought smb was installed by default, I switched back from archlinux yesterday, smb working well
[20:12] <ExtraCar-> back
[20:12] <jarnos> Sunstream, I want to copy from Phone, too and I don't want to remove the card from the device.
[20:12] <william101> ExtraCarpety: Does your /var/log/messages tell you something interesting about access attempts ?
[20:13] <B0bsF1sh> william101: re: /var/log/messages - I've never had that file on my Ubuntu 12.04 LTS - I thought it just didn't exist for Ubuntu and everything was in syslog or elsewhere. what creates that file that I might not have running?
[20:13] <Surendil> syslog
[20:14] <Sunstream> It looks like a problem with the MTP protocol
[20:14] <trism> B0bsF1sh: we used to have it enabled but it was disabled in ubuntu sometime around 11.04
[20:14] <trism> B0bsF1sh: /var/log/syslog and kern.log have all the info it used to have
[20:14] <Black-Devil> Is there a french Xubuntu's channel ?
[20:14] <B0bsF1sh> trism: is messages and syslog roughly equivalent? ah you just answered that
[20:14] <ExtraCar-> william101, I'm looking in syslog
[20:15] <Sunstream> Only other option I can think of is the Chmod 755 775 or 777 to get it to give permissions
[20:15] <william101> B0bsF1sh: I could be wrong about the correct file because I don't use ubuntu server since a lot of time sorry
[20:15] <william101> ExtraCar-: ok
[20:15] <B0bsF1sh> How do I get a remote GUI session on my Windows box? I have Xming installed. "X11Forwarding yes" in sshd_config. In PuTTY I have Enable X11 forwarding on with my IP address in the X display location box. I launch XLaunch, select one window, start a program, enter "xeyes -display localhost:0" - and then nothing happens.
[20:15] <Sunstream> Oh wait
[20:15] <k1l_> !fr | Black-Devil
[20:15] <Sunstream> the folder you are COPYING to has drx?
[20:15] <squinty> jarnos:  when cp from terminal, spaces (ie %20 etc) have to be "delimited".  a file manager will (should) automatically do this for you but it is not automatic in commandline mode.  See https://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&as_q=ubuntu+spaces+quotes+delimit+cp+files&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&lr=&cr=&as_qdr=all&as_sitesearch=&as_occt=any&safe=images&tbs=&as_filetype=&as_rights=&gws_rd=ssl  for similar
[20:15] <Surendil> Sunstream: it runs at user. mount in a folder on /home
[20:16] <Sunstream> nods
[20:16] <Sunstream> I am trying to see if the directory reading or writeing had the DRX permissions if the copy to is DRX then he needs to chmod to give it drxw
[20:16] <Sunstream> drwx i meant
[20:17] <ExtraCar-> william101, I'm not seeing anything about initiating SSH sessions
[20:17] <ExtraCar-> Would SSH logs be kept in syslog?
[20:17] <Sunstream> jarnos, is the directory you are cp to does it have w access?
[20:17] <william101> ExtraCar-: ssh access attempts should be kept.
[20:18] <william101> ExtraCar-: so yes.
[20:18] <ExtraCar-> Hmm...
[20:18] <jarnos> Sunstream, I tried to copy to ~/Desktop so yes.
[20:19] <jarnos> squinty, I can cd to the directory and file names do not have spaces.
[20:19] <Sunstream> did you do the cp command to cp *.* ~\Desktop as directorys ARE case SensitvE
[20:19] <ExtraCar-> Once I am connected to the server with a user that can access SSH, I am able to su over to the user that cannot.
[20:20] <Susning> I've followed this guide to remove white dots from Unity Greeter: http://linuxg.net/lightdm-tweaks-remove-the-white-dots-and-disable-guest-login-on-ubuntu-14-04-trusty-tahr/ - works nice at first logon. If I run my computer and it locks the dots are there again. After reboot they are gone. So the issue is half solved. Any idea how to remove the dots in all scenarios?
[20:20] <guite> hi all, if any of you use sshfs, I’m experiencing a horrible bug right now, when I do sshfs <remotedir> <mydir>, the directory is mounted for a user that is not mine and which is not root or even sudoer…
[20:21] <guite> Is there a way to specify the user for which to mount the directory to ?
[20:21] <guite> (excuse my english, tell me if it’s absolutely not clear :) )
[20:21] <william101> ExtraCar-: then the logs should tell you why your specific user can't. Maybe you must define a default shell for that user (like /bin/bash)
[20:21] <Sunstream> another way to do this
[20:22] <ExtraCar-> Wouldn't that cause an issue when I su over to that user?
[20:22] <Sunstream> is to cd to Desktop
[20:22] <Sunstream> and make sure the pwd is in the correct folder too
[20:23] <guite> ok, sorry, figured it out myself :)
[20:24] <guite> sshfs -o uid=<userid> -o gid=<groupid> <remotedir> <dir>
[20:24] <william101> ExtraCar-: Because you are already on a bash shell. Su to that user and check what shell it uses ($ chsh)
[20:24] <guite> bye :)
[20:24] <gordonjcp> evening
[20:24] <gordonjcp> is it possible to prevent Ubuntu Server from ever being updated?
[20:24] <gordonjcp> like, disable apt-get dist-upgrade, or something
[20:24] <Sunstream> why would you want that gordonjcp
[20:25] <gordonjcp> Sunstream: because it breaks grub2 beyond repair
[20:25] <Surendil> change sources.list name and it won't be able to sybc
[20:25] <Surendil> sync
[20:25] <william101> ExtraCar-: If the shell is « /sbin/nologin » just change it to /bin/bash and everything should be fine.
[20:25] <francesc_> hello
[20:25] <francesc_> someone that know about the software motion?
[20:25] <gordonjcp> Sunstream: the underlying problem is a two-year-old bug in the way Ubuntu does grub, that breaks pygrub in Xen
[20:26] <ExtraCar-> william101, no dice.
[20:26] <Sunstream> wow
[20:26] <gordonjcp> Sunstream: it's annoying, but I'm stuck with Ubuntu 14.04 for a particular server
[20:26] <ExtraCar-> SFTP also does not work, which was to be the primary purpose of access for this user
[20:26] <ExtraCar-> I would assume that would not need a shell defined
[20:26] <gordonjcp> it appears that 14.04 has had virtualisation quite comprehensively broken
[20:27] <trism> Susning: the better way to do it is to use gsettings overrides, copy this file http://paste.ubuntu.com/8593160/ to /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas/90_user.gschema.override and then run: sudo glib-compile-schemas /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas/
[20:27] <Sunstream> gordonjcp, nods. I understand and proof there is no such thing as bug free anything :)
[20:27] <gordonjcp> ExtraCar-: it needs a shell of some sort
[20:27] <Susning> trism, should i reset the previous change from the guide i linked?
[20:27] <gordonjcp> ExtraCar-: you want to change their shell to sftp-server, iirc
[20:27] <ExtraCar-> gordonjcp, even for SFTP?  Either way, it had /bin/bash
[20:27] <trism> Susning: though actually I'm not sure that will fix your lock screen issue, now that I read your question more closely
[20:28] <ExtraCar-> gordonjcp, I want them to access SSH as well, the primary purpose is SFTP though
[20:28] <franco> ciao ciao
[20:28] <gordonjcp> ExtraCar-: then why not leave it as /bin/bash?
[20:28] <ExtraCar-> We were just making sure that it has a shell defined.  It is /bin/bash
[20:29] <gordonjcp> ExtraCar-: that should be fine then
[20:29] <gordonjcp> ExtraCar-: of course if it works don't mess with it
[20:29] <ExtraCar-> gordonjcp, do you have any ideas why a new user, which is defined under AllowUsers, wouldn't be able to access any SSH functionality?
[20:29] <gordonjcp> ExtraCar-: not offhand, no
[20:30] <gordonjcp> ExtraCar-: at the moment I wish I could get the thing to boot at all
[20:30] <william101> ExtraCar-: That's why your log file should tell use something :-/
[20:31] <trism> Susning: nope that did fix it...it may read the setting from your user instead of the lightdm user, so another option would be to run the gsettings command for your user
[20:31] <Sunstream> I wish the banking system had a bug where all the bonus money the owners get would be evenly distributed into our accounts so the billions in bonuses would give everyone 10 grand per person per billion lol
[20:31] <learning> Hi, I am running a program that by default creates log and pid in /var/log and /var/run . It is advised not to run as root. Should I create a user which has no home dir and has not login? and set file permission to this user so that log and pid can be created?
[20:31] <trism> Susning: the way I specify it above makes that the default for everyone, which is probably why it fixed it on the lock screen for me as well
[20:31] <Sunstream> sorry that was meant for off-topic sorry
[20:32] <ExtraCar-> william101, got the log
[20:32] <ExtraCar-> Oct 19 16:12:32 SERVER sshd[4594]: input_userauth_request: invalid user MY_USER [preauth]
[20:33] <ExtraCar-> I'm using the same password that I use for su
[20:33] <ExtraCar-> Maybe SSH is lookin somewhere other than passwd for the authentication?
[20:33] <william101> ExtraCar-: I don't think so
[20:34] <ExtraCar-> That might be from something else, though.  Here is the more recent entry:
[20:34] <william101> ExtraCar-: The log message indicates that your user is rejected at PREAUTH level (before password check)
[20:34] <ExtraCar-> Oct 19 16:26:20 SERVER sshd[6123]: Failed password for invalid user MY USER from IP ADDRESS port 58473 ssh2
[20:34] <ExtraCar-> port 58473?
[20:35] <ExtraCar-> Hmm.
[20:35] <ExtraCar-> WTF is going on with my server?  This is a relatively fresh install, it's only like a week old.
[20:35] <bekks> ExtraCar-: Thats the cilent port. IT is irrelevant.
[20:35] <ExtraCar-> Ah
[20:36] <ExtraCar-> Dafuq...
[20:36] <ExtraCar-> This is super annoying.
[20:36] <LanceATab> hi everyone, has anyone had issues with feedback using google hangouts and an external webcam?
[20:37] <bekks> ExtraCar-: Whats the exact issue? In one sentence please.
[20:37] <ExtraCar-> bekks, I have created a new user, that user is specified in AllowUsers just as my other user.  The new user cannot use any SSH services.
[20:38] <ExtraCar-> I can su to that user once SSH'd in as the admin user
[20:38] <bekks> ExtraCar-: Did you set a password for that new user?
[20:38] <ExtraCar-> bekks, yes
[20:38] <bekks> ExtraCar-: Did you define a home directory?
[20:38] <ExtraCar-> Yes.
[20:38] <william101> bekks: He's using a ubuntu server.*
[20:38] <bekks> Which permissions does the .ssh of that user has?
[20:40] <Susning> trism, i did the same change with dconf editor for my user and now it seems like i got rid of the dots.
[20:40] <ExtraCar-> bekks, checking
[20:40] <trism> Susning: excellent
[20:41] <ExtraCar-> Where should the .ssh folder be?  Under the home directory?  None of my users have a .ssh under their home.
[20:42] <bekks> ExtraCar-: In the home of the new user.
[20:42] <ExtraCar-> Nobody has a .ssh in their home.
[20:42] <ExtraCar-> Could it be storing .ssh information under /etc/ssh?
[20:42] <bekks> ExtraCar-: Are you sure? ls -lha /home/username/
[20:43] <ExtraCar-> Yes, I did an ls -a
[20:43] <bekks> ExtraCar-: No. Thats a wild guess from you. /etc/ssh/ contains global settings only.
[20:43] <ExtraCar-> and an ls -lha just now
[20:43] <bekks> ExtraCar-: So pastebin ssh -v from trying to log in into pastebin please.
[20:45] <ExtraCar-> bekks, let me sanitize it real quick.
[20:47] <ExtraCar-> bekks: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8593364/
[20:48] <bekks> ExtraCar-: And you are entering the correct password? :)
[20:49] <ExtraCar-> bekks, I'm positive.  I have probably su'd 50+ times using that password after SSHing to my primary user.
[20:50] <ExtraCar-> On my end, I get what I posted there, on the server side earlier I posted from the error logs and the user was rejected pre-auth.
[20:50] <bekks> ExtraCar-: So pastebin ssh -vv please, and take care the output actually contains something which shows that you cant log in.
[20:50] <bekks> ExtraCar-: Can you provide the server logs again?
[20:51] <ExtraCar-> bekks, just a sec
[20:52]  * Sunstream cries. 
[20:53] <azizLIGHT> does 14.04 not able to make a cover image for a directory containing videos
[20:54] <ExtraCar-> bekks, verbose as hell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8593423/
[20:54] <ExtraCar-> Let me get the server-side
[20:55] <azizLIGHT> how do i snap window to left side of screen
[20:59] <ExtraCar-> bekks, william101, I "fixed" it, sort of.
[20:59] <ExtraCar-> I don't know WTF.
[21:00] <ExtraCar-> When this thing originally wouldn't work, I started researching what the problem might be.  I created a group called "sshusers" and added my user to it.
[21:00] <ExtraCar-> I listed sshusers with AllowGroups.  Still wouldn't work.
[21:00] <EriC^^> azizLIGHT: ctrl+super+left arrow
[21:00] <ExtraCar-> I added my user to admin, wouldn't work.
[21:01] <ExtraCar-> I added group admin to AllowedGroups, and now it works.
[21:01] <marco_> ...
[21:02] <azizLIGHT> EriC^^: hoooly crap it works. how can i change this keystroke to just super left
[21:02] <william101> ExtraCar-: To be honest with you, this is typically the kind of problems I met with ubuntu server and that's why I don't use it anymore........
[21:02] <ExtraCar-> ...and now I removed the group admin from the AllowedGroups and reloaded the ssh service... still works.
[21:02] <bekks> ExtraCar-: Did you ever log out your user after playing around with groups?
[21:02] <ExtraCar-> bekks, yes
[21:02] <bekks> ExtraCar-: Did you even log out the admin user completely?
[21:02] <ExtraCar-> I kept one user logged in to a session while reloading
[21:03] <ExtraCar-> not yet
[21:03] <william101> ExtraCar-: And when you doesn't really understand why and how you fixed a problem, you shouldn't rely on that system...
[21:03] <bekks> ExtraCar-: That one user session destroys all attempts.
[21:03] <ExtraCar-> william101, luckily I don't run any production servers, this is just my own little server.
[21:03] <ExtraCar-> I can create a tragedy in a teapot, and just dump out the teapot.
[21:04] <ExtraCar-> bekks, wha?
[21:04] <ExtraCar-> Now let me see if I can remove that user from the admin group and retain connectability
[21:05] <ExtraCar-> Holy shit, what kind of twilight zone am I in.  Still works.
[21:05] <ExtraCar-> The problems that make no sense are the worst.
[21:05] <learning> I am running a program that by default creates log and pid in /var/log and /var/run . It is advised not to run as root. Should I create a user which has no home dir and has not login? and set file permission to this user so that log and pid can be created?
[21:06] <bekks> ExtraCar-: I have no clue what you are doing there actually.
[21:07] <ExtraCar-> Doing where?  Do you mean what I'm doing on my end?
[21:07] <bekks> ExtraCar-: I have no clue where (client/server) you are doing what exactly and why. Dor me, it doesnt make much sense.
[21:07] <ExtraCar-> K, well, it's fixed.  You helped, believe it or not.
[21:08] <bekks> ExtraCar-: So what was the fix?
[21:09] <ExtraCar-> Bekks, I have no idea.  I explained it above.
[21:09] <ExtraCar-> It just spontaneously started working when I took all the settings back to where they were when it originally wouldn't work.
[21:10] <ExtraCar-> I bet that what happened was that originally I didn't restart the sshd service, in the very beginning, so all further attempts at fixing the problem just introduced new complicating factors.
[21:10] <Doc-Saintly> I'm using /dev/shm as a ramdisk and it says it's full even though there's plenty of RAM free. Is there another way that is recommended to do a RAM disk?
[21:10] <bekks> ExtraCar-: Actually you didnt even had to change anything in the ssh server.
[21:13] <ExtraCar-> Okay, any input on how I accomplish this next implementation?  When this user logs in via SFTP, I want them to immediately be shown the contents of a sub-directory from another user's home folder, in a read-only state of affairs.
[21:13] <ExtraCar-> I was going to just symlink the home folder of that user to the other user.
[21:13] <Terabyte> hi, i can control a service using service servicename start/stop, how do i check if a service of this kind is scheduled to run at bootup?
[21:13] <bekks> ExtraCar-: that will break things.
[21:13] <ExtraCar-> Yeah, because that user needs to store a .ssh file among other things
[21:14] <ExtraCar-> Any ideas?
[21:14] <bekks> ExtraCar-: whats a ".ssh file"?
[21:14] <ExtraCar-> \/.ssh
[21:14] <bekks> ExtraCar-: Do you mean "a file in the directory .ssh/"?
[21:15] <ExtraCar-> No, I misspoke.  Anyway, do you have an ideas for accomplishing my goal?
[21:16] <bekks> ExtraCar-: I dont think thats possible, actually.
[21:16] <ExtraCar-> Maybe is there a configuration file that would say where incoming SFTP connections land?
[21:16] <bekks> ExtraCar-: No, there is no such thing.
[21:16] <ExtraCar-> I could put a symlinked folder in ~/ and have that SFTP connection go there.
[21:16] <ExtraCar-> Hmm
[21:18] <azizLIGHT> how to modify snap shortcut from ctrl+super+left arrow to just super+left arrow
[21:19] <kevindf> when i was checking my var log i noticed this line: "Oct 18 11:43:06 (servername) passwd[12949]: pam_unix(passwd:chauthtok): password changed for root" while i didn't change my root pass, should i be scared of this?
[21:22] <konez> Hah
[21:30] <Terabyte> how do i find out which services are set to start up at boottime?
[21:37] <Monotoko> creating an upstart script... how do I make sure it's run before networking is brought up?
[21:38] <Name141> Is there a simple way to change the mirror you download updates from ?
[21:39] <EriC^^> Name141: are you on unity?
[21:39] <Name141> EriC^^: Well actually I remembered I installed Kubuntu
[21:39] <EriC^^> ok, well go to software center
[21:40] <EriC^^> then edit > software sources
[21:40] <k1l_> Name141: in the software updates settings in the system setting you can choose a mirror
[21:40] <trism> Monotoko: start on starting networking , I would guess
[21:41] <Monotoko> trism: I'm trying to create a script that runs before networking
[21:41] <Monotoko> any idea how?
[21:41] <trism> Monotoko: although ufw starts on (starting network-interface or starting network-manager or starting networking)
[21:42] <trism> Monotoko: see http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#start-must-precede-another-service
[21:43] <Name141> Oh I see it's in "moon"
[21:43] <Name141> on Kubuntu
[21:44] <Name141> Odd, the main server isn't wanting to update either.
[21:44] <Name141> Going very slow
[21:52] <kevindf_> I can perfectly connect to SSH with public key authentication trough local ip's but when trying to ssh with my ISP ip adress i get connection refused, even with firewall disabled
[21:53] <kevindf_> how can i make so i can connect trough ssh from the outside with my ISP ip adress?
[21:53] <Masrawwy> You may have to forward port 22 to the host you want connected to
[21:54] <kevindf_> i can't forward ports under a 1000 on my modem, so i would have to pick a higher port and change it in sshd_config and portforward it?
[21:54] <kevindf_> would that work?
[21:55] <Masrawwy> it should work .. alternatively but a bit dangerous is to put the box in DMZ
[21:55] <Masrawwy> or ...
[21:55] <kevindf_> true
[21:56] <Masrawwy> you could take from your modem to a router/firewal (pfsense) for example and handle all the forwarding on the router/firewall
[21:56] <daftykins> kevindf_: yes, using a non-standard port for SSH is wise anyway
[21:56] <kevindf_> but i don't see any reason why it would be that dangerous to put the box into DMZ with public key authenticaiton etc
[21:57] <kevindf_> in my sshd_config i also have Allowusers set with certain ip's
[21:57] <Ben64> ssh wouldn't be the dangerous part usually
[21:57] <Masrawwy> you could get hamered by DoS attacks
[21:57] <Masrawwy> or Port scanners
[21:57] <kevindf_> i see
[21:58] <Ben64> i was thinking more along the lines of samba
[21:58] <kevindf_> so basically if the port is not used by ssh then
[21:58] <Masrawwy> or many other attacks that would cripple your WAN pipe
[21:58] <Ben64> or other services with not so stellar security
[21:58] <kevindf_> the port is completely open and that's bad?
[21:58] <kevindf_> cause it's not used
[21:58] <kevindf_> if that's correct
[21:58] <Ben64> closed ports aren't a problem
[21:59] <kevindf_> i'm not sure if dos attackers would harm a small 32 slot teamspeak server hosted on a innocent home server :D
[21:59] <Masrawwy> closed ports ( has no service running on them ) are not an issue ... open port ( have a service using them ) are
[22:00] <kevindf_> i see
[22:00] <MorpheuxNL> hello i have virtualmin with postfix and dovecot does anyone know how i can add calendaring
[22:00] <Masrawwy> OH you wouldn't believe ! :)
[22:00] <kevindf_> haha :)
[22:01] <sim590> what's best video editing software between kdenlive, cinelerra and blender ?
[22:01] <kevindf_> i'll just keep the ssh locally then
[22:01] <Psil0Cybin> blender does video editing?
[22:01] <sim590> Psil0Cybin: yes.
[22:01] <Masrawwy> your best bit is to let the modem do just WAN connections and dialing ... do the routing from a firewall and handle everything internally
[22:01] <Psil0Cybin> sim590: interesting, did not know this.
[22:01] <bubbasaures1> p
[22:02] <arthurfiggis> sim590: that highly depends on who you ask it seems :) but for non-linear video editing (as they tend to call it) i've found kdenlive has been the most fun to use and had the most features
[22:02] <Psil0Cybin> kdenlive is good no doubt.
[22:02] <arthurfiggis> i didn't know that blender even had a capability similar to that either, i'll have to check out a recent version!
[22:02] <Psil0Cybin> Just did not know blender, could do some editing;.
[22:03] <kevindf_> alright
[22:03] <sim590> I'm looking for a video editing software that has the capability of displaying a filmed person in the corner of the screen while having his presetation slides in the background and toggling from that to fullscreen person
[22:03] <jussa5> while not a bug, is it not annoying that often times the software center does not install the latest version of the software?
[22:04] <qkzoo1978> So finally just installed Ubuntu after using Lubuntu for years.  How do I enable to scroll thing on the touch pad?
[22:04] <jussa5> for this reason often times i am tempted to do the install without the software center....
[22:05] <Psil0Cybin> qkzoo1978: look in settings, keyboard
[22:06] <jussa5> I mean when you install, it would be nice to get the latest version....
[22:07] <EriC^^> jussa5: what do you mean?
[22:07] <kevindf_> uhm i've setup a vpn on my server with OpenVPN, if everything is correct setup and your are perfectly connected to the VPN on a different network. The vpn connection should always give you the ip adress from where the vpn server is hosted right
[22:07] <EriC^^> if you run the update, software center should display the most recent cache no?
[22:07] <kevindf_> no matter what
[22:08] <EriC^^> jussa5: you mean you download the software yourself? ( not using apt-get )
[22:08] <jussa5> EriC^^: I mean the version listed in the software center is often times not the latest version of the program
[22:09] <EriC^^> jussa5: yeah
[22:09] <jussa5> EriC^^: yes, if you go directly to the website of the program and download it, like that you have the latest version
[22:09] <EriC^^> i guess it's til the version it deemed stable enough or something
[22:10] <EriC^^> or due to timing, scheduling issues
[22:10] <jussa5> Annoying I think.... Process takes too much time....
[22:13] <jussa5> EriC^^: Take for example the program hoteldruid . The last version (2.1) came out on 25/03/2014 . And it still is not the one in the software center.
[22:14] <jussa5> EriC^^: Am I the only one to think this is an annoying thing?
[22:15] <EriC^^> well if a security fix is required usually it's released straight away
[22:15] <EriC^^> if a new feature is in the new version
[22:15] <Masrawwy> kevindf_: not always
[22:15] <EriC^^> if you don't really need it who cares anyways
[22:16] <EriC^^> if you absolutely need it, then just install from the website
[22:16] <Masrawwy> depends on how you configured the VPN and how your internal Network is laid out and what scope your DHCP is serving from
[22:16] <Flannel> jussa5: I think hoteldruid has been updated to the march version.  But there's not much detail about what 2.1 added (on either the hoteldruid website, or the ubuntu package).
[22:18] <jussa5> Flannel: (from hoteldruid website) hoteldruid version 2.1 (25 March 2014). What's new: rules to close apartments and rates, import of email messages and more.
[22:19] <Flannel> jussa5: Oh wait, sorry, no.  Wrong year.  The hoteldruid package was updated in march of 2013, not 2014.  (But it was for a new upstream release).
[22:21] <Masrawwy> I just finished installing a fresh XBMCBuntu box and it's updated all the way ... now my problem is I am unable to get my Cyberlink ( branded as Sapphire Theatrix) remote control to function correclty
[22:21] <Masrawwy> can anyone try to help with Lirc setup ?
[22:22] <jussa5> Latest version came out 25 March 2014 . That makes it almost 7 months to to today. Does this sound as "acceptable time" to anybody? Not to me....
[22:23] <Flannel> jussa5: So, the reason it's not updated in 14.10, is because the debian packager didn't update the package until mid-august, which is past the import freeze for Ubuntu 14.10 (at this point, it still could've been in 14.10, if someone requested the version bump).
[22:24] <Flannel> jussa5: It never would've been in 14.04, because it was released as everything was freezing in 14.04.  It would've been in 14.10 had it been updated (by the maintainer) a week or two earlier.
[22:28] <jussa5> Flannel: I see.... But this I find is a recurring problem with many other programs as well. I think this issue has to be dealt with or the software center gets to feel like the "out of date software center".
[22:28] <jussa5> Flannel: for one reason or another there's just too much out of date software in there....
[22:29] <jpds> jussa5: You realize Ubuntu releases are frozen once released?
[22:29] <Flannel> jussa5: version-1 isn't "out of date".  You'll always have this, because feature freeze is two months prior to release.  Some packages may be affected more than others.
[22:30] <mezel> ok, so for those who were around yesterday when I had an issue with linus
[22:30] <mezel> linux even
[22:30] <k1l_> jussa5: if you find software that is too outdated file a bug/request on launchpad so the maintainer will notice. maybe there is no active maintainer left and its your chance to help there
[22:30] <jussa5> jpds: 7 months is just too much I think....
[22:30] <jpds> jussa5: No.
[22:30] <mezel> I decided to try a hard drive Regen to see if that fixed my problem for now
[22:30] <Flannel> jussa5: It's one of those things, especially on the more niche/less-popular software, because the maintainers may not notice.  Just file a bug, etc.  Many eyes help.
[22:31] <jpds> jussa5: Only bug fixes and security updates go into released versions.
[22:31] <jussa5> 7 months and the new version is STILL NOT LISTED.....
[22:31] <kailas> Hi guys I am looking for a architecture diagram for Ubuntu, need it for a presentation, I am not having much luck with google. Something like this would be great http://elinux.org/images/c/c2/Android-system-architecture.jpg
[22:31] <jpds> jussa5: It's likely the development version has the newer version.
[22:31] <Flannel> jussa5: For instance, had you filed a bug about this, in August, it could've been updated for 14.10. (This isn't your fault, it's just a statement)
[22:31] <k1l_> jussa5: there are no verison updates for most packages while the ubuntu version is released. its not a rolling release
[22:33] <k1l_> kailas: i dont think there is much difference between most distros.
[22:34] <jpds> !sru | jussa5
[22:34] <kailas> k1l_: Ok, so I guess I can stick with whichever is the easiest to find....Thanks
[22:35] <k1l_> kailas: well, ubuntu uses upstart until around 16.04. but this doesnt matter that much, imho in such a diagram
[22:36] <jussa5> OK thanks everybody. Bed-time here in Italy :)
[22:46] <kailas> k1l_: Thanks, I found one that looks good...http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7b/Free_and_open-source-software_display_servers_and_UI_toolkits.svg/2000px-Free_and_open-source-software_display_servers_and_UI_toolkits.svg.png
[22:50] <octopuscabbage> hello, i recently installed jackd2 and now pulseaudio won't find my analog output
[22:50] <octopuscabbage> can anyone help?
[22:51] <Guest47204> Anyone want to buy a 1 year Github small plan for $99? Hackathon price. (retails for $144)
[22:53] <NegativeFlare> Guest47204: That's totally offtopic
[22:53] <NegativeFlare> octopuscabbage: I've had similar issues with jackd
[22:53] <octopuscabbage> any hints?
[22:53] <Guest47204> NegativeFlare: Really? I would assume many people here use Github!
[22:53] <hulio> hi
[22:53] <Guest47204> NegativeFlare: Sorry if I offended you!
[22:54] <NegativeFlare> Guest47204: This is a support channel, not a conversation channel.
[22:54] <Guest47204> Oh, I apologize!
[22:54] <NegativeFlare> octopuscabbage: I ended up getting rid of jackd.
[22:54] <octopuscabbage> I would be fine doing that
[22:54] <octopuscabbage> just apt-get remove it
[22:54] <octopuscabbage> ?
[22:54] <k1l_> Guest47204: you can talk about that in #ubuntu-offtopic . this channels focus is on technical support
[22:54] <NegativeFlare> octopuscabbage: yup
[22:54] <Guest47204> k1l_: Ty!
[22:55] <octopuscabbage> still not finding it.
[22:55] <NegativeFlare> octopuscabbage: What do you mean?
[22:55] <benzhninja> ##ms-office
[22:55] <octopuscabbage> when i go into pacmd
[22:56] <octopuscabbage> it's only finding the hdmi sink
[22:56] <octopuscabbage> and the pulseaudio gui is only displaying the hdmi still
[22:56] <NegativeFlare> octopuscabbage: once you remove it
[22:56] <octopuscabbage> correct
[22:56] <octopuscabbage> and restart pulseaudio
[22:56] <NegativeFlare> you have to either restart your computer, or restart pulseaudio
[22:56] <octopuscabbage> i ran "pulseaudio -k && pulseaudio "
[22:57] <NegativeFlare> octopuscabbage: sudo service pulseaudio restart
[22:57] <NegativeFlare> heh, let the services restart it.
[22:57] <NegativeFlare> Don't kill off pulseaudio, unless you really know what you're doing.
[22:57] <octopuscabbage> still only seeing the one sink
[22:58] <NegativeFlare> Try restarting then
[22:58] <NegativeFlare> Ubuntu that is
[22:58] <octopuscabbage> sure, brb
[22:58] <joshumax> heyheyhey
[22:59] <joshumax> What conversation am I disrupting?
[22:59] <k1l_> joshumax: this is a support channel. for chitchat we have #ubuntu-offtopic
[22:59] <joshumax> Arent I on offtopic
[22:59] <joshumax> Oh wait I'm not
[23:00] <kailas> Is it correct for me to say that something like Debian or Slackware or Gentoo is much more bare bones than Ubuntu. Needless to say they are more difficut to work with, but that difficulty arises because of the fact that we have to choose almost all applications to put on them
[23:01] <benzhninja> ##ms-office
[23:01] <k1l_> kailas: you can install a minimal ubuntu. the target-group is the difference. but that is more a topic for ##linux
[23:01] <k1l_> benzhninja: /join #channelname
[23:01] <benzhninja> ok
[23:02] <ilk> http://www.dailyfailcenter.com/sites/default/files/styles/fail/public/fail/giada-de-laurentiis-watched-her-food-network-show-still-dont-know-how-to-boil-water.jpg
[23:03] <k1l_> !ot | ilk
[23:03] <ilk> oh sorry
[23:04] <ilk> * Cannot join #gentoo (You are banned).
[23:04] <benzhninja> join the official MS Office channel today! ##ms-office
[23:07] <farva> So I have a second server I want to transfer onto a single server machine and I am curios about the load distribution. Both servers use up about 1.0 load avg, do I have to specify the processor I want to run the second server machine on? Or will the load avg be okay since they are on different cores?
[23:07] <Neldogz> Does anyone know if it is possible to burn a cd to iso in Brasero? Looks like the option to burn to iso is missing, only toc and cue exist.
[23:07] <k1l_> Neldogz: so you want to rip a cd?
[23:10] <troii> i am here to troll all 1611 users
[23:10] <troii> TROLOLO
[23:10]  * troii dances around
[23:24] <dw1> why do I get a "failed to enable crypto" fatal error on php 5.5.9 on ubuntu 14.04 default install trying to establish an ssl:// socket :/
[23:25] <dw1> maybe it was all those recent openssl updates
[23:31] <rathitlike> dw1: maybe you smell
[23:31] <Fleetflame> Does 14.04 come with Synaptic?
[23:31] <dw1> rathitlike: no u
[23:31] <dw1> rathitlike: FIX IT
[23:31] <k1l_> Fleetflame: not preinstalled
[23:31] <Fleetflame> ok thanks
[23:31] <xangua> Fleetflame:  no, sudo apt-get install synaptic
[23:32] <EriC^^> Fleetflame: no
[23:36] <dw1> ok youre right i messed up
[23:38] <Neldogz> k1l_, yes
[23:41] <Fleetflame> here's a stupid question that's more of a linux question in general than ubuntu
[23:41] <ASHER1> hello
[23:42] <Fleetflame> when I type apt-get where does the package come from?
[23:42] <ASHER1> all my system his delete what i need to do for back everything?
[23:42] <Neldogz> Fleetflame, it comes from the Ubuntu repositories
[23:42] <Fleetflame> which are online?
[23:42] <ASHER1> :\ i remove python and everything going
[23:42] <Neldogz> correct
[23:42] <Fleetflame> ah
[23:42] <SchrodingersScat> Fleetflame: try apt-cache policy then the package you are curious about
[23:43] <Fleetflame> so the location that apt-get looks for is written in the source
[23:43] <Fleetflame> *?
[23:44] <ASHER1> ?
[23:46] <OerHeks> Fleetflame, it is written in de encrypted sourceslists.
[23:48] <ASHER1> all my system his delete what i need to do for back everything?
[23:50] <sluckxz> ASHER1: clonezilla maybe.
[23:52] <sluckxz> if you deleted everything already as far as i know it is very difficult to do since like ext2