[00:12] <Glamdring> Howdy. So in trying to make something else work, I updated my kernel, and now my computer once it hits the desktop of the X. Total lockout. What log should I be looking at?
[00:17] <Glamdring> 'Cause I don't think I can fix what's wrong if I'm not sure what is, and I'm something of a n00b.
[00:18] <ianorlin> how did you update the kernel
[00:19] <Glamdring> Well, I was following somebody else's instruction, so I did this: apt-get install linux-image-3.13.0-37-generic linux-headers-3.13.0-37-generic
[00:20] <ianorlin> does hitting control alt f1 switch to a tty
[00:20] <ianorlin> then enter your user name and password
[00:20] <Glamdring> Didn't seem to.
[00:20] <Glamdring> Tell ya what. I'll log in with my laptop real quick, and then I'll start tinkering with her while you're here.
[00:22] <Glamdring> Ahoy from the laptop. Let's try to get to that tty again.
[00:22] <ianorlin> that will switch to tty on the laptop
[00:23] <Glamdring> Hrm. I don't think you understand where I'm going with this.
[00:23] <ianorlin> where are you going with tis
[00:23] <ianorlin> this
[00:23] <Glamdring> I have two computers. The laptop is how I'll maintain contact and follow instructions.
[00:23] <Glamdring> The desktop is the one which isn't working.
[00:23] <Glamdring> I've rebooted; I'm locked out now.
[00:23] <Glamdring> Let's try this.
[00:24] <Glamdring> Ctrl-alt-f1?
[00:24] <Glamdring> 'Cause that did nothing I could see.
[00:24] <Glamdring> I mean, just now, as we speak.
[00:26] <ianorlin> what os in on laptop?
[00:26] <Glamdring> kubuntu, using LXDE; it was the disk I had on hand at the time.
[00:26] <Glamdring> The desktop that's messing with me (Sasha) is using Lubuntu.
[00:27] <ianorlin> another idea is you can try to boot with an older kernel on the desktop by holding shift down at boot to get into grub
[00:28] <Glamdring> It actually defaults to grub, but I'll see if anything changes.
[00:28] <Glamdring> Oh. Cute. So I can get it to shut down properly if I press the power button.
[00:28] <Glamdring> Maybe it just hates my mouse and keyboard...
[00:28] <ianorlin> one thing to notice is press down
[00:29] <ianorlin> to go to advanced optoins for ubuntu on the menu
[00:29] <Glamdring> Okay. I'm there now.
[00:30] <ianorlin> do you see the boot ubuntu with an older kernel?
[00:31] <Glamdring> I've got 3.13.0-37 and 3.13.0-24 as options.
[00:31] <Glamdring> (And their recovery modes.)
[00:31] <ianorlin> oh try 3.13.0-24 to try to boot
[00:31] <Glamdring> Memory fails, but this may be how I got to chatting with you from said desktop in the first place. (Hence having to log in with the laptop.)
[00:32] <ianorlin> ah
[00:32] <Glamdring> Well, I've done it. I can move the mouse.
[00:32] <Glamdring> So yeah, it boots fine into 0-24, it seems.
[00:33] <ianorlin> 3.13.0-27 isn't that new of  a kernel anymore
[00:33] <Glamdring> Not surprised.
[00:34] <Glamdring> Wait, 0-24, 0-27 (which I don't have), or 0-37?
[00:35] <Glamdring> Are you saying 0-37 isn't very new anymore, or are we on a different topic?
[00:36] <ianorlin> 0-37 is new
[00:36] <ianorlin> why not just try using system updates normally?
[00:36]  * Glamdring shrugs.
[00:36] <Glamdring> I was following instructions, so I did as the instructions said.
[00:37] <ianorlin> you can go to menu system tools software updater or do you want to upgrade from command line
[00:37] <Glamdring> Well, command line would be better; it's the less intuitive means, so it's the one I need to work harder to learn.
[00:38] <Glamdring> So if you don't mind, I'll try command line.
[00:38] <ianorlin> ok then run sudo apt-get update first to get the lists of new packages
[00:38] <ianorlin> so it knows which updates to install
[00:38] <Glamdring> Compliance.
[00:38] <ianorlin> then run sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[00:39] <Glamdring> "It's a simple question, Norm. Just say yes and we'll move on." I assume I hit y?
[00:39] <ianorlin> y
[00:40] <Glamdring> Compliance.
[00:40] <Glamdring> Heh. This might take a little while, apparently.
[00:40] <ianorlin> yes it needs to download updates
[00:45] <Glamdring> My download speed is wildly inconsistent, apparently. Still, every byte downloaded is one I won't have to download later.
[00:47] <Glamdring> Good, it's all fetched. Now to watch it fly.
[00:50] <Glamdring> Now, is there a goodly chance I could figure out what went awry had I read a log?
[00:51] <Glamdring> I'm asking 'cause she's still busy, so there's time to kill.
[00:57]  * Glamdring shrugs.
[00:58] <Glamdring> Unimportant question, I take it.
[00:59] <Glamdring> Okay, she seems to be updated.
[00:59] <Glamdring> Shall I reboot, see what happens?
[01:00] <Glamdring> I'm trying not to jump ahead on anything. It's got me in trouble before.
[01:14] <Glamdring> ianorlin?
[01:22] <Glamdring> Okay. I'll just restart, and see if it implodes. At worst, I expect no significant change.
[01:24] <Glamdring> Well, it seems to work now. Thanks.
[01:24] <Glamdring> Still wish I understood where it went awry, but it's functional now, and that's enough.
[01:35] <Steven-> If I have two fresh HDs and I want to install & dual boot Ubuntu/Win7Pro (both on same HD) do I just install Win on one drive and just resize the partitions?
[02:33] <Glamdring> I just updated my kernel, and now instead of text I seem to frequently get black or grey bars. How do I fix this?
[02:38] <Glamdring> Searching online, I'm finding this referenced specifically with Firefox, and I admit I popped in the moment I saw the change. Perhaps it's a Firefox problem. Anybody have input?
[03:52] <holstein> Glamdring: with flash in firefox?
[03:53] <holstein> Glamdring: i have input.. seems like you are jumping around a bit on what you thin the issue is.. try and isolate the variables. you should be able to boot the older kernel.. if its only in the web, try other web browser..
[04:02] <holstein> Glamdring: https://launchpad.net/bugs/1314924 is also something that you should look into as well.. suggested by someone in the OT channel
[04:06] <Glamdring> Oh. Sorry. I was a bit distracted.
[04:07] <Glamdring> To isolate a variable, I installed Chromium. I've seen no problems so far, which means it might only be Firefox. And no, not flash.
[04:09] <Glamdring> And yeah, that's probably the bug in question.
[04:14]  * Glamdring reads over the bug, frowns.
[04:14] <Glamdring> I think I'm starting to hate this board.
[04:17] <Glamdring> Thanks. That seems to be an adequate workaround for now.
[04:18] <Glamdring> If I see the same error in other applications, or if the problem returns without significant changes beforehand, I'll make a point of looking into it further.
[09:53] <eto> hello
[09:53] <eto> are devs here too?
[10:23] <viscera> Hi, can I make the Lubuntu disc load entirely to RAM so that I can remove the disc after boot?
[10:24] <viscera> I see some hacks online to do this but maybe it's built-in now?
[15:11] <vvver_562> will ubuntu 14.04 run fine with 2 gb ram?