[03:00] <lotuspsychje> i cant get any updates on my n7 on devel anymore
[03:00] <lotuspsychje> they show in list, but dont start to download
[09:12] <vitimiti> Hi
[12:50] <elopio> dobey: ping. Is there a way to get the user's pictures directory with python dirspec?
[13:27] <mhall119|vacatio> kenvandine: btw, just because I'm not at the sprint doesn't mean I won't be asking you about a background images package hook for click :)
[13:27]  * kenvandine ignores mhall119|vacatio
[13:27] <kenvandine> :-D
[13:30] <mhall119|vacatio> lol
[13:49] <renatonolo> how to install ubuntu touch on Microsoft Surface RT?
[13:50] <renatonolo> have any script
[13:50] <renatonolo> ?
[13:52] <dobey> elopio: no. never got around to adding the userdirs stuff
[13:54] <elopio> dobey: I'm calling xdg-user-dir PICTURES with subprocess. That works.
[13:55] <dobey> elopio: can you decipher the logs in https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/autopilot-testrunner-otto-utopic/3495/ for me? i don't understand why it's failing
[13:55] <elopio> let me see
[13:57] <kenvandine> jgdx, are you at the sprint?
[13:57] <jgdx> kenvandine, nyet
[13:57] <kenvandine> coming?
[13:57] <jgdx> kenvandine, sadly no
[13:58] <kenvandine> bummer, ok :)
[13:58] <jgdx> How's the weather?
[13:58] <kenvandine> nice
[13:58] <jgdx> *shakes fist*
[13:58] <kenvandine> although we have no windows :)
[13:59] <jgdx> speaking of windows, I really want to mock the QDBusMenu stuff.
[13:59] <jgdx> if we want to increase testability in USS, we need to either mock it or do something else wrt to testing or getting to those menus.
[14:02] <ogra_> ricmm, bug 1379296]
[14:02] <ogra_> Saviq, where are you ?
[14:02] <elopio> dobey:
[14:02] <elopio> /var/local/autopilot/autopilot.log: Ran 0 tests in 0.358s
[14:02] <elopio> it's not finding any tests. That usually happens when you install them as py3 and try to run them with py2, or the other way around.
[14:03] <Saviq> ogra_, coming up now
[14:04] <Saviq> ogra_, we're downstairs  normally, going to Beverly now though
[14:04] <ogra_> ah, k
[14:04] <ogra_> di you have tvoss near you too ?
[14:05] <ogra_> lool, so why does my phone tell me reliable that i am in the hotel in oakland ?
[14:06] <dobey> ogra_: probably because of the wifi AP being the same as the one you connected to in oakland, and it thinks it is there
[14:07] <dobey> elopio: ah, ok
[14:08] <ogra_> dobey, my phone was never in oakland ;)
[14:08] <ogra_> (my ubuntu phone)
[14:09] <dobey> ogra_: well, i guess someone ended up getting the AP registered as being in oakland, on whatever service it's being resolved through :)
[14:09] <ogra_> right ... there is some bug somewhere iin the stack
[14:10] <dobey> ogra_: maybe someone with a nokia n9 did so when there :)
[14:10] <ogra_> haha, yeah
[14:13] <hevans> I'm back, if anyone has any answers to my above questions let me know.
[14:14] <Mirv> pitti: do you know why autopkgtests on utopic seem to somehow stuck? kenvandine is asking.
[14:14] <Mirv> they claim test in progress, but the private jenkins instance says nothing is running.
[14:15] <Mirv> and this is since Friday
[14:17] <elopio> tedg: do you know why the package xdg-user-dirs is not available on the phone?
[14:17] <elopio> or alternatively, how can I get the pictures directory?
[14:19] <lool> ogra_: are you sure this isn't geoip based?
[14:20] <ogra_> lool, no idea, if i tap on "my location" in g-maps it immediately dumps me into oakland
[14:20] <lool> ogra_: the other possible explanation is when you have more than one mac address that moved between places that you see around you
[14:20] <lool> ogra_: possible that we moved a couple of routers from oakland to here and that they are still marked in oakland
[14:21] <ogra_> it is pretty surely caching the location somewhere
[14:21] <lool> ogra_: the known wifis are cached
[14:21] <lool> lol, everyone is from https://www.facebook.com/n/?arnaud.bordet%2Fposts%2F10204168543226328&comment_id=10204208301180252&offset=0&total_comments=20&aref=8076276&medium=email&mid=aaea9a0G5af4b7816fd2G7b3bf4G5bG8518
[14:21] <ogra_> lool, well, my phone definitely doesnt have cached wifi for oakland ... it was never there ...
[14:21] <lool> ups
[14:21] <lool> everyone is from confernece/canonical/session
[14:22] <ogra_> so it must be in the db somehow
[14:22] <lool> ogra_: no, they might have scanned these wifis in oakland
[14:22] <hevans> There seems to be a problem with the manifests file in ubuntu touch builds .repo package does anyone here know anything about this?
[14:22] <lool> ogra_: either from other platforms (say android phones running it)
[14:22] <lool> ogra_: or from cars scanning streets
[14:22] <ogra_> hmm
[14:23] <lool> ogra_: so say wifi ap 1 and ap 2 were visible in oakland and got stored in HERE servers
[14:23] <lool> ogra_: now your phone seems them here, their server side will say that these are in oakland
[14:23] <ogra_> well, is there a way to force a refresh ?
[14:23] <ogra_> (of the here db)
[14:23] <ogra_> or report wrong locations like this one
[14:23] <lool> ogra_: not that I know of, but given it's the second time I'm being ask in some days, I think we ought to question that
[14:24] <lool> ogra_: one question is: are you attached to gsm?
[14:24] <ogra_> yep, i am
[14:24] <lool> ogra_: I know they have a wifi blacklist, but it's their private data
[14:24] <ogra_> i have a roaming icon in the panel ... though inside the hotel i am indeed on wifi only
[14:26] <elopio> bzoltan: running the tests now. Hopefully, now that we are all together, we will find out who break them and how to prevent them, before making any more releases.
[14:27] <elopio> but if it takes too long, we can talk to the landing and QA teams to make an exception. It will also cause a lot of problems if we are not able to land the toolkit soon.
[14:27] <tbr> ogra_: get a gps fix, make sure that the phone sees the wifi APs
[14:28] <tbr> ogra_: it will then after a while update (days, weeks)
[14:29] <ogra_> ah, k
[14:29] <ogra_> so probably once the sprint is over ...
[14:29] <ogra_> meaning next sprint we get washington as default location ... fun
[14:30] <tbr> after a while it will start ignoring those
[14:30] <ogra_> after 5-10 sprints then ? :)
[14:36] <tbr> likely
[14:38] <pitti> kenvandine, Mirv: "stuck"? Well, there haven't been (m)any uploads recently; are you looking at a particular test?
[14:38] <kenvandine> pitti, ubuntu-system-settings
[14:39] <kenvandine> all the utopic silos that were published to proposed on friday are still migrating
[14:39] <kenvandine> pitti, ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts actually
[14:39] <kenvandine> which is blocking ubuntu-system-settings
[14:41] <hevans> Please could someone explain what is going on  here? I seem to only be getting half of any conversation.  Also there seem to be a lot of people here who are actual canonical staff.  Is this an appropriate channel for me to use?
[14:42] <kenvandine> hevans, this is the place to talk about ubuntu touch development
[14:42] <kenvandine> hevans, we welcome everyone :)
[14:43] <lool> l
[14:44] <kenvandine> s
[14:45] <hevans> kenvandine, thanks I was interested in porting ubuntu touch and the guide seemed out of date.
[14:45] <kenvandine> hevans, this is the right place
[14:46] <kenvandine> hevans, but i don't really know about porting myself
[14:47] <hevans> kenvandine, Thanks anyway, it's been so log since I last used irc I wasn't sure if anyone could even see the post.
[14:59] <pitti> kenvandine, Mirv: ah yes, I see http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html; that looks wrong
[14:59] <pitti> I'll discuss this with jibel once he's back
[15:00] <Mirv> pitti: thanks!
[15:00] <kenvandine> pitti, thanks!
[15:07] <pitti> cjwatson: so, time to squeeze debootstrap, distro-info, lintian etc. into utopic still? or all SRUs at this point?
[15:08]  * pitti thinks we should at least to distro-info and debootstrap
[15:21] <cjwatson> pitti: distro-info-data is on its way, and I'll upload debootstrap to Debian nowish
[15:26] <pitti> cjwatson: great
[15:27] <PaoloRotolo> Hi all guys!
[15:27] <PaoloRotolo> Can someone explain me how to use mirscreencast please :)?
[15:48] <jgdx> mpt, ping
[16:15] <ahayzen> jdstrand, ping
[16:18] <ybon> ho do I update to latest mako image? If I run --channel devel, I've the #243
[16:19] <ybon> but the 17/10 email talk about a #87 one
[16:22] <popey> ybon: thats a different channel i think
[16:22] <popey> ybon: ubuntu-device-flash --list-channels | grep rtm
[16:23] <ybon> humm, rtm is the one who "bricked" my phone last time :(
[16:25] <ybon> okay, let's try again :)
[16:38] <ybon> worked :)
[16:39]  * ybon can't wait to test new location service!
[17:14] <mterry> sergiusens, I can't send MMS images on my mako/rtm/4 device -- I thought that was supported these days?
[17:25] <kenvandine> pitti, i see you made those tests run, and they finished... but excuses still says testing in progress?  ideas?
[17:45] <wavis> Anyone know how easy/hard/possible it is to run a javafx app on ubuntu touch?
[17:53] <baud_> Hello. What is the current status of running non-Click applications in the Unity 8? If I install the Unity 8 14.10 beta on an x86_64 tablet, will I be able to use the same set of applications that I normally would, or will I be restricted to a subset?
[17:53] <baud_> I'm aware of the in-progress GTK+ integration, and how adding that PPA will enable (unstable) use of those applications.
[17:54] <baud_> But I'm also interested in knowing about Qt apps that don't target QML, or apps that are native to other desktop environments such as KDE.
[17:57] <dobey> baud_: i don't know if qt4 apps will work or not. qt5 should be ok, but apps that expect windowed behavior might have issues, as everything is maximized under mir currently
[17:59] <baud_> So, the fastest way to find out is to apt-get install what I want to test, test it, and submit bug reports as-needed? Where would these bugs even belong, seeing as it's such beta software?
[17:59] <dobey> i'm not sure where the best place to file th bugs would be.
[18:48] <pitti> kenvandine, Mirv: ack, all test runs are stalled; we have a theory, investigating
[18:48] <kenvandine> pitti, thx
[18:52] <nerochiaro> rsalveti: ted told me you might be the person responsible for having a lot of messages scrolling on the stdout of any click app. like "libust[4379/4411]: Error: Error opening shm /lttng-ust-wait-5-32011 (in get_wait_shm() at lttng-ust-comm.c:886)"
[18:56] <rsalveti> nerochiaro: no, have nothing to do with that :-)
[18:56] <rsalveti> nerochiaro: ping tvoss
[18:59] <sergiusens> pitti: hey, where can I find you? I want to see if we can look into autopackage tests with a device constraint
[19:03] <the_storm> guys I would like to know if otg is supported on nexus 4 ubuntu touch or not
[19:03] <the_storm> !
[19:08] <dobey> otg?
[19:09] <popey> ot the go
[19:09] <popey> means you can plug devices into it
[19:09] <popey> like kb/mouse
[19:10] <ogra_> popey, well, depends ... otg host means that ... otg client means you have USB storage exposed to a machine you plug in to
[19:11] <popey> i usually assume people want to plug devices into n4,, the_storm is that what you want?
[19:12] <the_storm> yeah I want to plug devices .. like .. usb drive .. another android device !
[19:12] <ogra_> you could hack that ... by default the USB port is occupied by the gadget driver (for mtp and adb) ...
[19:12] <popey> doesnt work here
[19:12] <dobey> ah
[19:13] <ogra_> you would have to disable the gadget driver and build otg ad module ... i think then modprobing it would make it work
[19:13] <ogra_> a/ad/as/
[19:14] <the_storm> ogra_ any tutorial or a point to start from ?? popey  what do you think of that ?
[19:15] <ogra_> the_storm, well, i guess what i wrote above and google is the best tutorial there is atm ... you would be a pioneer doing that
[19:15] <ogra_> (my babbling above is all theory... someone would need to prove it actualyl works )
[19:15] <the_storm> ogra_,  I have been googling for two days but nothing there
[19:16] <ogra_> https://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=enable+OTG+on+nexus4&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
[19:17] <pitti> sergiusens: I'm in the QA room; lobby level across the snack/coffee area, last room in the aisle
[19:17] <pitti> sergiusens: (sorry, was working on OMGkittens thing)
[19:18] <genii> That reminds me, I need to make more coffee
[19:18] <sergiusens> pitti: on my way
[19:37] <vitimiti> Hi
[19:48] <sergiusens> pitti: https://code-review.phablet.ubuntu.com/gitweb?p=CyanogenMod/android_bootable_recovery.git;a=blob;f=system-image-upgrader;h=cd2e5039f9a300c2e74cbb9d5b8bfab275da1909;hb=refs/heads/phablet-4.4.2_r1
[20:06] <mterry> awe_, poke - you got time?
[20:06] <awe_> sure
[20:06] <mterry> awe_, alright, phone plugged in
[20:07] <awe_> please pastebin the results from /usr/share/ofono/scripts/list-contexts
[20:07] <mterry> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8605909/
[20:07] <mterry> awe_, ^
[20:07] <awe_> so if you'll notice, there's no MMS parameters set in that context
[20:08] <awe_> which is why it's failing
[20:08] <awe_> lemme check the db
[20:09] <awe_> mterry, one other thing... can you grep for the line "Provisioning for" in /var/log/syslog
[20:10] <mterry> awe_, grep Provisioning /var/log/syslog gives nothing
[20:10] <awe_> ok, so we need to force it to re-provision
[20:10] <awe_> as root, run 'stop ofono'
[20:10] <awe_> then cd /var/lib/ofono/<IMSI>
[20:11] <awe_> where <IMSI> is a big string of numbers
[20:11] <awe_> ( it's your subscriber ID )
[20:11] <awe_> and once there, delete the file gprs
[20:11] <awe_> then start ofono
[20:11] <awe_> and look for the "Provisioning..." message again in syslog
[20:12] <mterry> awe_, my ofono dir has both: 310260668735174/   310260668735174-3/
[20:12] <mterry> awe_, do I know which to use?
[20:12] <awe_> the one w/out the dash
[20:12] <mterry> awe_, or just delete both I guess
[20:14] <mterry> awe_, well...  I still didn't see the provisioning message (my phone also hasn't reconnected to network it says)
[20:14] <mterry> awe_, but... I do have "MessageCenter = http://metropcs.mmsmvno.com/mms/wapenc" in my contexts now
[20:15] <awe_> have you been updating this phone all along???
[20:15] <awe_> and how long have you had the SIM?
[20:15] <mterry> awe_, yeah, for like a year now
[20:15] <ajalkane> Is there a way to detect when virtual keyboard is open or closed from QML?
[20:16] <awe_> mterry, ok.  That's explains it.  You have old provisioning data, and probably never picked up the new data when we switched dbs
[20:17] <mterry> awe_, humph, leaving early adopters like me behind  :)
[20:17] <mterry> awe_, will test mms and confirm it all works like I expect
[20:18] <awe_> k
[20:34] <Chipaca> who's a good person to pester about qtcreator (wrt when starting a new project, it not liking my "kit")?
[20:35] <mterry> awe_, OK it failed again.  Here is latest context: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8606162/
[20:35] <mterry> no provisioning word in syslog
[20:36] <awe_> IPv6
[20:36] <awe_> stop ofono again
[20:36] <awe_> this time edit the gprs file and change "ipv6" to "ip"
[20:36] <awe_> known bug, affects only T-Mobile/MetroPCS atm
[20:43] <husher> hi
[20:44] <husher> ubuntu touch for xperia sp it's possible?
[20:53] <MoPac> Hello. I'm hoping to understand whether there is a relationship between the completion of development for BQ/Meizu RTM Ubuntu Touch and its availability for other hardware. Is there any reason to expect a dam break in terms of Touch's portability as the images for BQ and Meizu get done?
[20:53] <MoPac> Or is it a totally separate effort that doesn't really cross over into the question of running it on a Samsung or Sony or HTC handset?
[20:56] <genii> MoPac: The second thing you said.
[20:57] <MoPac> So, apart from the spotty status colors on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices , there's not really any way to speculate what phones might be able to run it in the future? (I have to replace my phone now, so it's an awkward moment)
[21:10] <dholbach> Saviq, do you know where I can ddebs for rtm packages?
[21:10] <dholbach> ^ or anyone else really
[21:11] <dholbach> I can't find a matching unity8-dbgsym for 8.00+14.10.20141017-0ubuntu1
[21:13] <dholbach> dandrader, ^ do you know by chance?
[21:16] <sergiusens> rsalveti: hey, seems there's a broken emulato; egl
[21:17] <seb128> dholbach, http://ddebs.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-rtm/pool/main/u/unity/
[21:18] <dholbach> seb128, gracias
[21:18] <seb128> dholbach, in fact not :/
[21:19] <seb128> dholbach, http://ddebs.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-rtm/pool/universe/u/unity8/ rather
[21:19] <seb128> sorry
[21:26] <rsalveti> sergiusens: x86 you mean?
[21:26] <rsalveti> would need to give the latest a try
[21:26] <rsalveti> sergiusens: rtm or utopic?
[21:27] <sergiusens> rsalveti: rtm
[21:27] <rsalveti> sergiusens: lemme see
[21:27] <sergiusens> rsalveti: 14.09 and 14.09-proposed
[21:27] <sergiusens> rsalveti: E/libEGL  ( 2056): eglMakeCurrent:775 error 3009 (EGL_BAD_MATCH)
[21:28] <rsalveti> I think we always had that one
[21:29] <dandrader|afk> dholbach, right, there no dbg package for unity8...
[21:30] <tsdgeos> dholbach: so you can get the dbgsym pacakge from ddebs
[21:30] <tsdgeos> deb http://ddebs.ubuntu.com utopic main restricted universe multiverse
[21:33] <dholbach> tsdgeos, dandrader: yes, I was referring to -dbgsym
[21:33] <tsdgeos> dholbach: yeah problem is ddebs i think always has only the last released version
[21:33] <tsdgeos> and rtm is behind
[21:34] <dholbach> right
[21:34] <tsdgeos> so no dbgsym for it sadly :/
[21:34] <dholbach> I installed them manually
[21:39] <pitti> sergiusens: so devel (i. e. ubuntu) is still working with the emulator