[04:09] <mapps> yo all
[04:23] <daftykins> mornin'
[04:26] <mapps> 1 MIN LEFT FOR HOMELAND
[04:26] <mapps> E4 :DDD
[04:27] <mapps> AND ITS DONE
[04:27] <mapps> ;D
[04:27] <mapps> off to watch homeland..then brooklyn 99 will save walking dead for tomorrow
[04:27] <mapps> wha you doing up daftykins ?
[04:29] <mapps> daftykins, ?
[04:30] <daftykins> ^_^
[04:30] <daftykins> sorry just nipped to the bathroom
[04:31] <daftykins> ah just didn't feel like sleeping yet
[04:34] <mapps> ah
[04:44] <mapps> hmm i can see my ipcam..can check my house in UK..but the vpn isnt accessible and i cant access the raspberry pi via ssh ;(
[04:45] <daftykins> o0
[04:45] <daftykins> someone turned it off again?
[04:45] <mapps> i dunno what hapened tbh
[04:45] <mapps> i thought the router was off..but guess not
[04:45] <mapps> noones been to th house
[06:59] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:09] <MooDoo> Happy Birthday Ubuntu :D
[07:10] <daftykins> cake please!
[07:17] <MooDoo> no cake mine
[07:17] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[07:20] <MooDoo> howdy brobostigon
[07:20] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[07:22] <MooDoo> how are you ?
[07:23] <brobostigon> MooDoo: alittle tired, but fine, and you?
[07:33] <MooDoo> brobostigon: yeah i'm ok thanks :D been playing about with xubuntu at the weekend.
[07:33] <brobostigon> good to hear, :)
[07:36] <MooDoo> it's nice n fast
[07:36] <brobostigon> :)
[07:43]  * zmoylan-pi is running xubuntu on 4yo 1gb netbook as my main system
[07:44] <brobostigon> i run haiku and debian testing with I3 on my eeepc now.
[07:47] <zmoylan-pi> the original eeepc or a later one as the later ones were better speced?
[07:47] <MooDoo> zmoylan-pi: yeah it's good, I just installed it this weekend for a play
[07:47] <brobostigon> zmoylan-pi: the 900 model.
[07:48] <brobostigon> zmoylan-pi: and it runs both, without blinking an eyelid,
[07:53] <SuperMatt> WOOO RELEASE WEEK
[07:53] <SuperMatt> bring on Thursday :)
[07:54] <brobostigon> :)
[07:55] <SuperMatt> who is coming to the release shindig?
[07:56] <SuperMatt> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/2898-ubuntu-utopic-unicorn-release-party/
[07:56] <brobostigon> booze up, more like, from what i have heard.
[07:56] <SuperMatt> well, yes
[07:56] <brobostigon> :)
[07:59] <SuperMatt> I've picked a place with unicorn in the name
[07:59] <SuperMatt> and damn I want to see what t-shirts are coming our way for this release
[07:59] <MooDoo> no i can't make it sorry, unless there is a wifi link and you can google hangout at the event.
[08:00] <SuperMatt> could try
[08:00] <zmoylan-pi> a wifi link in a room full of data sucking geeks... :-)
[08:01] <MooDoo> lol yeah that's the issue :D
[08:01] <brobostigon> :)
[09:15] <MooDoo> You can tell it's Monday, it's a bit quiet
[09:17] <awilkins> Caffeine ingestion hasn't got levels up to basal metabolic rate yet
[09:18] <zmoylan-pi> you need to mainline caffine so :-)
[09:19] <diddledan_> *mumble grmph*
[09:20] <MooDoo> lol
[09:20] <diddledan_> why must valuehost.ru be such pains in the proverbial?! they're complaining repeatedly about my tor exit server "attacking" them
[09:20] <diddledan_> they're the _only_ people to have complained in over two months' of operation
[09:20] <zmoylan-pi> freedom hating commies? :-p
[09:22] <diddledan_> I need to run my own ISP methinks :-p
[09:22] <zmoylan-pi> but then you'd have to deal with you know... people :-)
[09:22] <directhex> diddlenet
[09:22] <diddledan_> or at least own my own IP Address so that complaints come to me and can be ignored rather than going to my host
[09:22] <directhex> i'd rather not...
[09:22] <zmoylan-pi> simple people of the land, you know, morons :-D
[09:27] <MooDoo> directhex: I've been wanting to do that for years :D
[09:27] <MooDoo> i meant diddledan_
[09:35] <diddledan_> does anyone know how to get apport to add a second backtrace attempt to an existing bug?
[09:36] <diddledan_> specifically bug #1235567
[09:37] <czajkowski> diddledan_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash
[09:38] <DJones> Does anybody use BT email/Office.com email? Just wondering if anybody has noticed there being a fault stopping you logging in and sending email
[09:38] <diddledan_> thanks czajkowski
[09:41] <MooDoo> diddledan_: did you know you have _ ?
[09:42] <diddledan_> it's ok, MooDoo , I'm still the same person I always was :-p
[09:42] <directhex> £130 for a windows 8.1 x86 tablet from argos
[09:42] <directhex> http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/2923020.htm#pdpFullProductInformation
[09:42] <diddledan_> 1GB of ram won't get you far
[09:43] <zmoylan-pi> ah, bush... i have an an mp3 player from them, was the first time i had to use a manual to look up how to change volume...
[09:43] <directhex> bush is argos own-brand
[09:43] <foobarry> i remember playground religious wars over your make of stereo
[09:44] <directhex> also alba
[09:44] <zmoylan-pi> when we all should agree amstrad was best :-p
[09:44] <foobarry> 19 month old daughter is currently trying to plug a usb mouse into a wii adapter
[09:44] <foobarry> amstrad immediately came to mind as utter tat
[09:44] <foobarry> along with goodmans , matsui, bush, saisho,
[09:44] <zmoylan-pi> cheap and cheerful i'd say for amstrad
[09:44] <zmoylan-pi> sanyo
[09:44] <directhex> cheerful? sralan sugar is hardly cheerful
[09:44] <foobarry> cheap and nasty = alan sugar
[09:45] <foobarry> daughter managed to do it
[09:46] <zmoylan-pi> my sister spent a fortune on a pioneer stero in 80s.  very swish
[09:46] <zmoylan-pi> i was the only one in the house who could set it up as the wiring was an adventure
[09:46] <diddledan_> zmoylan-pi: xyzzy
[09:46] <foobarry> pioneer, sony, marantz, denon were the awesomez
[09:47] <zmoylan-pi> and it had a cd player!! oooooooooh
[09:47] <diddledan_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xyzzy_(computing)
[09:47] <zmoylan-pi> a unit that took more space than the turntable for vinyl
[09:48] <zmoylan-pi> and a double tape deck that saw a lot of usage when i got a zx spectrum :-)
[09:49] <zmoylan-pi> as it had a double speed copy function
[09:55] <foobarry> loss of quality at double speed
[09:55] <foobarry> causing game load failures
[09:55] <foobarry> there was lots of superstituous voodoo when u copied tapes
[09:55] <foobarry> some of it true
[09:56] <foobarry> keep the volume down or reduces quality of copy
[09:57] <zmoylan-pi> the games i copied at double speed never failed for me.  the spectrum was very forgiving
[09:57] <foobarry> i was acorn man
[09:58] <zmoylan-pi> it was a huge leap from 2 tape recorders side by side on cushions to prevent vibrations from passing traffic been picked up
[09:59] <directhex> foobarry: oh man, volume settings. fired up a dragon 32 this weekend. getting the damn tapes to load @_@
[10:01] <zmoylan-pi> my first spectrum tape recorder was a bit finicky.  slide volume slider to 4 and then press it with finernail just a smidge, no more no less.
[10:02] <zmoylan-pi> it had been rescued from a skip so couldn't complain
[10:02] <foobarry> grundig
[10:03] <zmoylan-pi> this one had a joystick instead of buttons, it was rescued from a skip in a rehabilitation hospital so might have been a special jobbie for folks with limited limbs/dexterity
[10:03] <diddledan_> ok, I appear to have lost the "default" greeter in lightdm
[10:03] <diddledan_> this is normal ubuntu
[10:04] <diddledan_> it's using some weird fallback
[10:06] <diddledan_> https://www.dropbox.com/s/8jfdv1aoh1cc4zd/Screenshot%202014-10-20%2011.06.10.png?dl=0
[10:17] <popey> $MORNING
[10:17] <MooDoo> morning popey
[10:18] <knightwise> hey everyone
[10:18] <foobarry> $GREETING
[10:22] <popey> stil loving my tesco hudl2
[10:22] <directhex> is it blue?
[10:22] <foobarry> i will see how much munneh i have left after using tesco voucher for RAC cover
[10:43] <popey> no, kinda pink
[10:44] <zmoylan-pi> theft proof
[10:44] <popey> also easy to spot it
[10:44]  * zmoylan-pi remembers the dark night i stepped on my psion... :-(
[10:45] <zmoylan-pi> or the basement network cabinet with no lights i dropped my black maglight after taking it out of it's holster before turning it on...
[11:03] <DJones> popey: My wife got a pink hudl2 at the weekend, she seems pleased with hers, bit heavier than my N7, but just as quick
[11:08] <MooDoo> oooo i'm looking at them for christmas pressies
[11:09] <zmoylan-pi> but if they're so cheap what happens if they get more than one for a pressie?  what a faux pas! :-)
[11:19] <ujjain> paying rent does not improve your credit score right? unless you probably use a credit card, correct?
[11:19] <awilkins> ujjain, No idea about the US, but in general what improves your credit score is having debts and servicing them properly
[11:19] <MooDoo> yes it does, as you'll make regular payments.
[11:20] <ujjain> ah ok, right. I figured like properly paying contracts would help.
[11:20] <awilkins> Although for some reason my bank only increase my credit limit when I miss a payment and have to pay a fine on my card
[11:20] <ujjain> MooDoo, how is that? It seems they don't report it.
[11:20] <MooDoo> i would of thought if you didn't pay, you'd get a mark, have you had a look at your credit report with experian?
[11:21] <awilkins> When I do what I usually do which is to keep a positive balance on my card all the time so that I never have outstanding debt on it, they don't increase my credit limit.
[11:21] <xplora1a> ujjain: cerdit score is kept by companies like experion, to improve you need transaction with companies that subscribe to the checking service, ie mostly banks...
[11:21] <awilkins> It's almost like they LIKE delinquent debts...
[11:21] <ujjain> I have lookde at my credit report
[11:21] <ujjain> it's empty
[11:21] <MooDoo> my credit report wass shocking it took me years to get a decent one
[11:22] <awilkins> I got turned down for a credit card because I never had a job or any debts
[11:22] <ujjain> I asked the company I am paying rent too, £1600 monhtly, half on my cost, they say, take a credit card, we don't report you paying rent
[11:22] <awilkins> Well, I had a job
[11:22] <zmoylan-pi> it's either boring on time payments or a bad risk, those are your choices :-)
[11:22] <awilkins> Got paid well
[11:22] <ujjain> Experian credit report did not even show my job.
[11:22] <ujjain> or income, or bank account, it showed nothing.
[11:22] <ujjain> empty.
[11:22] <awilkins> Yeah, catch 22
[11:22] <awilkins> Can't get credit because you've never taken credit
[11:23] <MooDoo> capital one do a high interest get your credit up card if i'm not mistaken?
[11:23] <awilkins> So they have an enhanced debt vehicle so you can prove that you can service debt? Nice.
[11:25] <ujjain> I don't care about interest on my credit card. It can be 200%, I don't need credit, just a credit score, because the paid bank account I wanted rejected me, probably because there's a small overdraft.
[11:26] <MooDoo> over draft doesn't count to your credit score
[11:26] <MooDoo> the fact i pay it off on time counts.
[11:27] <ujjain> if you don't have a credit score, you can be rejected for a bank account, because it has an overdraft
[11:27] <zmoylan-pi> well they hate that for a start :-)
[11:27] <awilkins> CCs hate you paying off on time..
[11:27] <ujjain> I was rejected for nationwide flexplus
[11:27] <awilkins> They want the interest! And the fines!
[11:27] <awilkins> Like I said, they only bump my credit limit higher when I fail to pay on time...
[11:27] <zmoylan-pi> and to keep their threatening letters department in red ink
[11:28] <ujjain> yeah, they're animals, like payday loans, but on my ISA saver, I only get 1,5%
[11:28] <awilkins> Cash ISAs are mad
[11:47] <xplora1a> all my credit cards have direct debit of the full balance on the payment date. It can be hard to find these offers but very useful.
[11:53] <MartijnVdS> it's standard here
[11:54] <MartijnVdS> getting "spread payment" requires an extra form
[12:02] <ujjain> xplora1a means direct debit on the same day?
[12:02] <ujjain> on my Dutch credit it was payment back once a month, I think that's normal, after that you pay rent
[12:05] <christel> is there any particular reason you need that specific bank account (or bank for that matter)? you might find that you have more luck with a different bank
[12:06] <christel> i obviously don't know your situation but when i moved to the uk it was a pain in the arse to find someone who were happy to open an account for me
[12:08] <xplora1a> most of the problems arrise from the Anti Money Laundering legislation. Banks are required to Know Your Customer (KYC) for all accounts, this has nothing to do with credit status..
[12:09] <ujjain> Flexplus has many benefits, insurance, etc.
[14:09] <MooDoo> vivid vervet
[14:10] <zmoylan-pi> velvet vole
[14:12] <MooDoo> no vivid vervet is 15.04 ubuntu
[14:12] <zmoylan-pi> i thought it was a silly name suggestion for 15.04 :-)
[14:12] <MooDoo> Myrtti: you're freenode staff aren't you?
[14:12] <Myrtti> yup
[14:12] <MooDoo> could you help popey "who do I need to speak to about letting freenode know that there's 200+ people trying to connect from the same IP?
[14:12] <MooDoo> "
[14:13] <MooDoo> christel: could you help popey too ?
[14:13] <Myrtti> we've gotten the iline request
[14:13] <Myrtti> just prodded peeps
[14:14] <MooDoo> Thanks Myrtti :)
[14:15] <Myrtti> aw man my late lunch soup is too hot :-(
[14:16] <zmoylan-pi> time + hot soup = goldilocks zone
[14:17] <zmoylan-pi> + icky soup skin of course :-)
[14:23] <diddledan_> !isitoutyet
[14:23] <diddledan_> :-p
[14:24] <diddledan_> is it this week?
[14:24] <christel> MooDoo: myrtti made magic happen and they should now all be able to connect :)
[14:24] <zmoylan-pi> i usually wait a week before risking an install in case of 'surprises'
[14:24]  * popey spots lots of canonical people join irc, thanks Myrtti 
[14:24] <diddledan_> popey: where you at?
[14:24] <zmoylan-pi> and do you know where car 54 is? :-)
[14:25] <christel> confernece!
[14:25] <diddledan_> oooh
[14:25]  * diddledan_ confers
[14:25] <christel> as you can tell we don't spellcheck our ilines :D
[14:26] <popey> diddledan_: Washington DC
[14:27] <MartijnVdS> Is the other Washington Washington AC
[14:28] <zmoylan-pi> it would explain the politicians ability to flip flop
[14:28] <diddledan_> plop an oscillator onto the DC and you'll get AC
[14:29] <MartijnVdS> zmoylan-pi: except the other washington is on the other side of the country
[14:29] <diddledan_> does this mean that Washington DC has been "rectified"?
[14:29]  * diddledan_ derezzes some citizens
[14:29] <MooDoo> thanks christel :)
[14:29] <zmoylan-pi> well you want to keep stupidity as far away as possible in case it's catching
[14:31] <MartijnVdS> diddledan_: *degauss*
[14:31] <zmoylan-pi> i hope they don't have a pacemaker
[14:32] <diddledan_> MartijnVdS: http://open.spotify.com/track/5aZCwTIsfqv22p5bewcrgf
[14:41] <alex555> Hi All, I've got a question that may be a bit off-topic; I'm new to London (and to the UK in general) and I'm looking for stores that can sell Desktops without Windows pre-installed (all major vendors tend to have Windows 7/8 preinstalled). I was disappointed to see that Dell's offering is very limited (only a single Desktop which in non-customizable); any suggestions?
[14:44] <Myrtti> do you want brand new or are refurbs ok too
[14:45] <alex555> brand new
[14:48] <Azelphur> alex555: if you're looking for high end kit, pcspecialist do custom builds.
[14:48] <zmoylan-pi> build your own pc?
[14:48] <Azelphur> oh wait...desktop? y u no build your own
[14:48] <zmoylan-pi> a rasp pi and a really really big case? :-)
[14:50] <Azelphur> zmoylan-pi: http://i.imgur.com/nRFCS.jpg relevant :P
[14:50] <zmoylan-pi> you could have a cluster of those in 1 case :-)
[14:51] <Azelphur> haha
[14:51] <zmoylan-pi> why does your desktop pc have 6 power switches in the cd bay :-)
[14:56] <awilkins> alex556, I tend to buy parts and build my own - it's not actually very hard
[14:56] <awilkins> alex556, I've never owned a desktop PC that came with Windows pre-installed... although I've usually installed it to feed my gaming habit
[14:58] <zmoylan-pi> i usually buy cheap laptops from argos just before a new catalog comes out.  and wipe the windows
[15:00] <awilkins> Got a nice G72 that way
[15:00] <awilkins> Only sub-£300 laptop I could find with a screen that had a res higher than 768 pixels high
[15:00] <DJones> awilkins: HP G72?
[15:00] <awilkins> Yeah
[15:01] <awilkins> The RAM gave out on it this year, I thought it worth buying replacement SODIMMs
[15:01] <awilkins> Also went to the effort of cleaning the fan assembly
[15:02] <awilkins> It's big and heavy but it makes a nice family couch laptop
[15:02] <DJones> I've got one of those at home, only used as a spare machine now, its a pretty decent machine, I think I paid £400 for it new about 4 years back
[15:02] <awilkins> My new employer just got me a souped-up zBook 15
[15:02] <awilkins> 16GB of RAM. Case like a Bentley (big, heavy, sturdy, shiny)
[15:03] <awilkins> Had to tinker with the RAID array stuff but got it running Ubuntu last night with the mSATA drive as an SSD disk cache
[15:04] <DJones> awilkins: I got a Lenovo Y510P through work which relegated my G72 to spare, thats a nice machine
[15:04] <awilkins> I've gained a fondness for Lenovos
[15:04] <awilkins> They are the standard issue at the job I'm leaving
[15:04] <awilkins> It's either the Lenovo or a HYUUGE Dell Precision for the "developer workstation" laptop
[15:06] <awilkins> alex556, What's your budget for this PC?
[16:20] <ali1234> anyone ever seen a website that simulates population growth based on user-supplied birth/death/life expectancy parameters?
[16:20] <ali1234> like this thing, except you can watch it change in real time, with sliders to control the parameters: http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/interactive/vp1-story-of-the-census/index.html
[16:21] <zmoylan-pi> facebook? :-)
[16:21] <ali1234> wat
[18:31]  * awilkins is loving mSATA card + bcache
[18:32] <awilkins> *ka-chow* boot times, 750GB storage space....
[20:23] <n1md4> hello
[20:23] <n1md4> i need to be able to disable requiretty in sudo for use with remote nagios calls, via ssh
[20:24] <n1md4> I have Defaults:nagios !requiretty in sudoers, but it doesn't appear to be honouring it
[20:24] <n1md4> any ideas?