[04:09] yo all [04:23] mornin' [04:26] 1 MIN LEFT FOR HOMELAND [04:26] E4 :DDD [04:27] AND ITS DONE [04:27] ;D [04:27] off to watch homeland..then brooklyn 99 will save walking dead for tomorrow [04:27] wha you doing up daftykins ? [04:29] daftykins, ? [04:30] ^_^ [04:30] sorry just nipped to the bathroom [04:31] ah just didn't feel like sleeping yet [04:34] ah [04:44] hmm i can see my ipcam..can check my house in UK..but the vpn isnt accessible and i cant access the raspberry pi via ssh ;( [04:45] o0 [04:45] someone turned it off again? [04:45] i dunno what hapened tbh [04:45] i thought the router was off..but guess not [04:45] noones been to th house [06:59] morning all [07:09] Happy Birthday Ubuntu :D [07:10] cake please! [07:17] no cake mine [07:17] morning boys and girls. [07:20] howdy brobostigon [07:20] morning MooDoo [07:22] how are you ? === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [07:23] MooDoo: alittle tired, but fine, and you? === zmoylan-1i is now known as zmoylan-pi === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [07:33] brobostigon: yeah i'm ok thanks :D been playing about with xubuntu at the weekend. [07:33] good to hear, :) [07:36] it's nice n fast [07:36] :) [07:43] * zmoylan-pi is running xubuntu on 4yo 1gb netbook as my main system [07:44] i run haiku and debian testing with I3 on my eeepc now. [07:47] the original eeepc or a later one as the later ones were better speced? [07:47] zmoylan-pi: yeah it's good, I just installed it this weekend for a play [07:47] zmoylan-pi: the 900 model. [07:48] zmoylan-pi: and it runs both, without blinking an eyelid, [07:53] WOOO RELEASE WEEK [07:53] bring on Thursday :) [07:54] :) [07:55] who is coming to the release shindig? [07:56] http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/2898-ubuntu-utopic-unicorn-release-party/ [07:56] booze up, more like, from what i have heard. [07:56] well, yes [07:56] :) [07:59] I've picked a place with unicorn in the name [07:59] and damn I want to see what t-shirts are coming our way for this release [07:59] no i can't make it sorry, unless there is a wifi link and you can google hangout at the event. [08:00] could try [08:00] a wifi link in a room full of data sucking geeks... :-) [08:01] lol yeah that's the issue :D [08:01] :) [09:15] You can tell it's Monday, it's a bit quiet [09:17] Caffeine ingestion hasn't got levels up to basal metabolic rate yet [09:18] you need to mainline caffine so :-) [09:19] *mumble grmph* [09:20] lol [09:20] why must valuehost.ru be such pains in the proverbial?! they're complaining repeatedly about my tor exit server "attacking" them [09:20] they're the _only_ people to have complained in over two months' of operation [09:20] freedom hating commies? :-p [09:22] I need to run my own ISP methinks :-p [09:22] but then you'd have to deal with you know... people :-) [09:22] diddlenet [09:22] or at least own my own IP Address so that complaints come to me and can be ignored rather than going to my host [09:22] i'd rather not... [09:22] simple people of the land, you know, morons :-D [09:27] directhex: I've been wanting to do that for years :D [09:27] i meant diddledan_ [09:35] does anyone know how to get apport to add a second backtrace attempt to an existing bug? [09:36] specifically bug #1235567 [09:36] bug 1235567 in ibus (Ubuntu) "ibus-ui-gtk3 crashed with SIGABRT" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1235567 [09:37] diddledan_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash [09:38] Does anybody use BT email/Office.com email? Just wondering if anybody has noticed there being a fault stopping you logging in and sending email [09:38] thanks czajkowski [09:41] diddledan_: did you know you have _ ? [09:42] it's ok, MooDoo , I'm still the same person I always was :-p [09:42] £130 for a windows 8.1 x86 tablet from argos [09:42] http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/2923020.htm#pdpFullProductInformation [09:42] 1GB of ram won't get you far [09:43] ah, bush... i have an an mp3 player from them, was the first time i had to use a manual to look up how to change volume... [09:43] bush is argos own-brand [09:43] i remember playground religious wars over your make of stereo [09:44] also alba [09:44] when we all should agree amstrad was best :-p [09:44] 19 month old daughter is currently trying to plug a usb mouse into a wii adapter [09:44] amstrad immediately came to mind as utter tat [09:44] along with goodmans , matsui, bush, saisho, [09:44] cheap and cheerful i'd say for amstrad [09:44] sanyo [09:44] cheerful? sralan sugar is hardly cheerful [09:44] cheap and nasty = alan sugar [09:45] daughter managed to do it [09:46] my sister spent a fortune on a pioneer stero in 80s. very swish [09:46] i was the only one in the house who could set it up as the wiring was an adventure [09:46] zmoylan-pi: xyzzy [09:46] pioneer, sony, marantz, denon were the awesomez [09:47] and it had a cd player!! oooooooooh [09:47] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xyzzy_(computing) [09:47] a unit that took more space than the turntable for vinyl [09:48] and a double tape deck that saw a lot of usage when i got a zx spectrum :-) [09:49] as it had a double speed copy function [09:55] loss of quality at double speed [09:55] causing game load failures [09:55] there was lots of superstituous voodoo when u copied tapes [09:55] some of it true [09:56] keep the volume down or reduces quality of copy [09:57] the games i copied at double speed never failed for me. the spectrum was very forgiving [09:57] i was acorn man [09:58] it was a huge leap from 2 tape recorders side by side on cushions to prevent vibrations from passing traffic been picked up [09:59] foobarry: oh man, volume settings. fired up a dragon 32 this weekend. getting the damn tapes to load @_@ [10:01] my first spectrum tape recorder was a bit finicky. slide volume slider to 4 and then press it with finernail just a smidge, no more no less. [10:02] it had been rescued from a skip so couldn't complain [10:02] grundig [10:03] this one had a joystick instead of buttons, it was rescued from a skip in a rehabilitation hospital so might have been a special jobbie for folks with limited limbs/dexterity [10:03] ok, I appear to have lost the "default" greeter in lightdm [10:03] this is normal ubuntu [10:04] it's using some weird fallback [10:06] https://www.dropbox.com/s/8jfdv1aoh1cc4zd/Screenshot%202014-10-20%2011.06.10.png?dl=0 [10:17] $MORNING [10:17] morning popey [10:18] hey everyone [10:18] $GREETING [10:22] stil loving my tesco hudl2 [10:22] is it blue? [10:22] i will see how much munneh i have left after using tesco voucher for RAC cover [10:43] no, kinda pink [10:44] theft proof [10:44] also easy to spot it [10:44] * zmoylan-pi remembers the dark night i stepped on my psion... :-( [10:45] or the basement network cabinet with no lights i dropped my black maglight after taking it out of it's holster before turning it on... [11:03] popey: My wife got a pink hudl2 at the weekend, she seems pleased with hers, bit heavier than my N7, but just as quick [11:08] oooo i'm looking at them for christmas pressies [11:09] but if they're so cheap what happens if they get more than one for a pressie? what a faux pas! :-) [11:19] paying rent does not improve your credit score right? unless you probably use a credit card, correct? [11:19] ujjain, No idea about the US, but in general what improves your credit score is having debts and servicing them properly [11:19] yes it does, as you'll make regular payments. [11:20] ah ok, right. I figured like properly paying contracts would help. [11:20] Although for some reason my bank only increase my credit limit when I miss a payment and have to pay a fine on my card [11:20] MooDoo, how is that? It seems they don't report it. [11:20] i would of thought if you didn't pay, you'd get a mark, have you had a look at your credit report with experian? [11:21] When I do what I usually do which is to keep a positive balance on my card all the time so that I never have outstanding debt on it, they don't increase my credit limit. [11:21] ujjain: cerdit score is kept by companies like experion, to improve you need transaction with companies that subscribe to the checking service, ie mostly banks... [11:21] It's almost like they LIKE delinquent debts... [11:21] I have lookde at my credit report [11:21] it's empty [11:21] my credit report wass shocking it took me years to get a decent one [11:22] I got turned down for a credit card because I never had a job or any debts [11:22] I asked the company I am paying rent too, £1600 monhtly, half on my cost, they say, take a credit card, we don't report you paying rent [11:22] Well, I had a job [11:22] it's either boring on time payments or a bad risk, those are your choices :-) [11:22] Got paid well [11:22] Experian credit report did not even show my job. [11:22] or income, or bank account, it showed nothing. [11:22] empty. [11:22] Yeah, catch 22 [11:22] Can't get credit because you've never taken credit [11:23] capital one do a high interest get your credit up card if i'm not mistaken? [11:23] So they have an enhanced debt vehicle so you can prove that you can service debt? Nice. [11:25] I don't care about interest on my credit card. It can be 200%, I don't need credit, just a credit score, because the paid bank account I wanted rejected me, probably because there's a small overdraft. [11:26] over draft doesn't count to your credit score [11:26] the fact i pay it off on time counts. [11:27] if you don't have a credit score, you can be rejected for a bank account, because it has an overdraft [11:27] well they hate that for a start :-) [11:27] CCs hate you paying off on time.. [11:27] I was rejected for nationwide flexplus [11:27] They want the interest! And the fines! [11:27] Like I said, they only bump my credit limit higher when I fail to pay on time... [11:27] and to keep their threatening letters department in red ink [11:28] yeah, they're animals, like payday loans, but on my ISA saver, I only get 1,5% [11:28] Cash ISAs are mad [11:47] all my credit cards have direct debit of the full balance on the payment date. It can be hard to find these offers but very useful. [11:53] it's standard here [11:54] getting "spread payment" requires an extra form [12:02] xplora1a means direct debit on the same day? [12:02] on my Dutch credit it was payment back once a month, I think that's normal, after that you pay rent [12:05] is there any particular reason you need that specific bank account (or bank for that matter)? you might find that you have more luck with a different bank [12:06] i obviously don't know your situation but when i moved to the uk it was a pain in the arse to find someone who were happy to open an account for me [12:08] most of the problems arrise from the Anti Money Laundering legislation. Banks are required to Know Your Customer (KYC) for all accounts, this has nothing to do with credit status.. [12:09] Flexplus has many benefits, insurance, etc. [14:09] vivid vervet [14:10] velvet vole [14:12] no vivid vervet is 15.04 ubuntu [14:12] i thought it was a silly name suggestion for 15.04 :-) [14:12] Myrtti: you're freenode staff aren't you? [14:12] yup [14:12] could you help popey "who do I need to speak to about letting freenode know that there's 200+ people trying to connect from the same IP? [14:12] " [14:13] christel: could you help popey too ? [14:13] we've gotten the iline request [14:13] just prodded peeps [14:14] Thanks Myrtti :) [14:15] aw man my late lunch soup is too hot :-( [14:16] time + hot soup = goldilocks zone [14:17] + icky soup skin of course :-) === JamesTait is now known as Guest71840 [14:23] !isitoutyet [14:23] NO [14:23] :-p [14:24] is it this week? [14:24] MooDoo: myrtti made magic happen and they should now all be able to connect :) [14:24] i usually wait a week before risking an install in case of 'surprises' [14:24] * popey spots lots of canonical people join irc, thanks Myrtti [14:24] popey: where you at? [14:24] and do you know where car 54 is? :-) [14:25] confernece! [14:25] oooh [14:25] * diddledan_ confers [14:25] as you can tell we don't spellcheck our ilines :D [14:26] diddledan_: Washington DC [14:27] Is the other Washington Washington AC [14:28] it would explain the politicians ability to flip flop [14:28] plop an oscillator onto the DC and you'll get AC [14:29] zmoylan-pi: except the other washington is on the other side of the country [14:29] does this mean that Washington DC has been "rectified"? [14:29] * diddledan_ derezzes some citizens === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [14:29] thanks christel :) [14:29] well you want to keep stupidity as far away as possible in case it's catching [14:31] diddledan_: *degauss* [14:31] i hope they don't have a pacemaker [14:32] MartijnVdS: http://open.spotify.com/track/5aZCwTIsfqv22p5bewcrgf === JamesTai1 is now known as JamesTait [14:41] Hi All, I've got a question that may be a bit off-topic; I'm new to London (and to the UK in general) and I'm looking for stores that can sell Desktops without Windows pre-installed (all major vendors tend to have Windows 7/8 preinstalled). I was disappointed to see that Dell's offering is very limited (only a single Desktop which in non-customizable); any suggestions? [14:44] do you want brand new or are refurbs ok too [14:45] brand new [14:48] alex555: if you're looking for high end kit, pcspecialist do custom builds. [14:48] build your own pc? [14:48] oh wait...desktop? y u no build your own [14:48] a rasp pi and a really really big case? :-) [14:50] zmoylan-pi: http://i.imgur.com/nRFCS.jpg relevant :P [14:50] you could have a cluster of those in 1 case :-) [14:51] haha [14:51] why does your desktop pc have 6 power switches in the cd bay :-) [14:56] alex556, I tend to buy parts and build my own - it's not actually very hard [14:56] alex556, I've never owned a desktop PC that came with Windows pre-installed... although I've usually installed it to feed my gaming habit [14:58] i usually buy cheap laptops from argos just before a new catalog comes out. and wipe the windows [15:00] Got a nice G72 that way [15:00] Only sub-£300 laptop I could find with a screen that had a res higher than 768 pixels high [15:00] awilkins: HP G72? [15:00] Yeah [15:01] The RAM gave out on it this year, I thought it worth buying replacement SODIMMs [15:01] Also went to the effort of cleaning the fan assembly [15:02] It's big and heavy but it makes a nice family couch laptop [15:02] I've got one of those at home, only used as a spare machine now, its a pretty decent machine, I think I paid £400 for it new about 4 years back [15:02] My new employer just got me a souped-up zBook 15 [15:02] 16GB of RAM. Case like a Bentley (big, heavy, sturdy, shiny) [15:03] Had to tinker with the RAID array stuff but got it running Ubuntu last night with the mSATA drive as an SSD disk cache [15:04] awilkins: I got a Lenovo Y510P through work which relegated my G72 to spare, thats a nice machine [15:04] I've gained a fondness for Lenovos [15:04] They are the standard issue at the job I'm leaving [15:04] It's either the Lenovo or a HYUUGE Dell Precision for the "developer workstation" laptop [15:06] alex556, What's your budget for this PC? [16:20] anyone ever seen a website that simulates population growth based on user-supplied birth/death/life expectancy parameters? [16:20] like this thing, except you can watch it change in real time, with sliders to control the parameters: http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/interactive/vp1-story-of-the-census/index.html [16:21] facebook? :-) [16:21] wat [18:31] * awilkins is loving mSATA card + bcache [18:32] *ka-chow* boot times, 750GB storage space.... [20:23] hello [20:23] i need to be able to disable requiretty in sudo for use with remote nagios calls, via ssh [20:24] I have Defaults:nagios !requiretty in sudoers, but it doesn't appear to be honouring it [20:24] any ideas? === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away