[00:24] <rightniche> :)
[15:36] <gQuigs> thinking about posting my survey to the lubuntu users list (https://bryanquigley.com/crazy-ideas/still-running-32-bit-ubuntu)  about removing 32 bit images..
[15:36] <gQuigs> is that the right thing to do?   (then also post to xubuntu, as they are the two most likely to be used on older hardware, afaict)
[15:41] <testdr> gQuigs: you have to stick to LTS-14.04 and this will be then up to around 2020. You only need a newer Ubunut for new hardware and crazy software, that will not be available for older versions.
[15:42] <holstein> its challenging.. technology will move forward, and the linux kernel cant keep legacy support rolled in forever..
[15:44] <testdr> this does not say it is not impossible - but it says it is time-consuming and may be useless, if there is hardly a usage of those backports.
[15:44] <holstein> no one will ever prevent anyone from using linux on a 32bit system.. but, the default iso's may not be maintained by default forever
[15:44] <holstein> one could always maintain a community port.. like the PPC is now
[15:47] <gQuigs> :) I'm just asking if you think it makes sense to post on the -users list.. of if that's out of scope to ask people to do a survey who are subscribed
[15:49] <gQuigs> hmm.. I didn't think of that.. I guess Lubuntu could keep 32 bit images going as a port...
[15:51] <holstein> well, *anyone* can keep whatever images they like going in wahtever capacity they choose
[15:51] <holstein> thats the nice thing about open software..
[16:34] <phillw> gQuigs: a little hint... I am the guy who spins non-PAE kernel (with a lot of help). we will still be here for the 32 bit people come 2021, which is when 16.04 runs out.
[16:40] <gQuigs> phillw: awesome :)
[17:29] <elultimotellez> hi someone can help me to run kiwix in lubuntu?
[17:30] <wxl> !kiwix
[17:30] <wxl> no clue what that is
[17:30] <elultimotellez> is the client for the wikipedia offline
[17:31] <wxl> elultimotellez: you have to build it from source
[17:32] <wxl> elultimotellez: here's what you need to do essentially: unzip it and then http://www.kiwix.org/wiki/Compilation
[17:33] <elultimotellez> mmm, the program include the excute field kiwix for linux, but a try your link thanks
[17:35] <elultimotellez> thanks bye
[18:10] <diffis> Hello! A question about lubuntu desktop: If I wish to hide menu entries (e.g. guvcview under Sound & Video), how can I actually do that? Some sources advice to edit or remove the corresponding .desktop files. But I'm a bit wondering, how this editing/removing can be done wisely?
[18:27] <ianorlin> diffis: I think you should maybe keep a backup copy of the old desktop files around
[18:27] <ianorlin> then you can move them back if you break anything
[18:27] <ianorlin> also editing them for your user in your home folder will be good so you don't break it for other users if any
[18:28] <diffis> ianorlin:  Yes, a backup is definitely good point - and also planned. xD
[18:29] <diffis> ianorlin:  But I can simply remove those that I consider 'unneeded'?
[18:33] <ianorlin> thing is removing them will take them out of your system
[18:35] <ianorlin> you can get a version of guvcview in ~/.local/share/applications/guvcview.desktop and then add noshowin line to it have it not show on menu and yet if something happens and a nother user ends up on your comp you can still use guvcview
[18:35] <ianorlin> on that other user without cluttering up your menu
[18:36] <ianorlin> removing it will work but getting it back will be the hard part if things change and you want to use a webcam
[18:37] <diffis> ianorlin:  A noshowing line? What's that? I haven't seen any examples for that...
[18:38] <ianorlin> so you can add NOTSHOWIN=LXDE to your file for guvcview
[18:38] <ianorlin> it makes it not show in LXDE
[18:39] <diffis> Cool!
[18:40] <ianorlin> and if it is in your home folder you won't have family move in that want to use their webcam and not be able to
[18:40] <diffis> Thank you. I was searching something like this, but I couldn't find anything related to it... So thought, it doesn't exist... :D
[18:41] <diffis> Perhaps I can now edit the menu - once I have time to do that. Thank you again. ^^
[21:38] <garbonzo> hi all... will lxqt be a good or a bad thing for people using old/slow systems?
[21:38] <wxl> should be good
[21:39] <wxl> that's always our goal is to best support old/slow machines
[21:39] <garbonzo> read that it's going to be in Lubuntu soon... does that sound right?
[21:39] <ianorlin> yes but not relase in two days but hopefully one after
[21:39] <wxl> it's NOT going to be in 14.10. it MAY be in 15.04.
[21:39] <garbonzo> excellent.
[21:39] <wxl> there is nothing certain yet
[21:39] <wxl> there's a lot of work to do and i'm not certain we can get it done in 6 months
[21:39] <ianorlin> yes it certainly is lots of work
[21:40] <garbonzo> of course -- forgot that Ubuntu had a new release, so have to update my lubuntu!
[21:40] <wxl> but the gtk parts of lxde are starting to slow in development
[21:40] <wxl> so at some point i imagine we will HAVE to make the switch
[21:40] <wxl> the new release is in 2 days
[21:40] <garbonzo> looking forward to it
[21:40] <wxl> we're doing the last minute prep
[21:40] <wxl> mainly for lubuntu it was a bug fix release
[21:41] <wxl> so we have a "clean slate" to work on qt from
[21:41] <garbonzo> it saved an old toughbook I inherited from the scrapheap...
[21:41] <wxl> neat :)
[21:41] <wxl> it's saved many an old machine for me
[21:41] <garbonzo> was nearly unusable in XP and, well, doesn't fly along in lubuntu but it's perfectly usable.
[21:42] <garbonzo> plus, if anyone tries to take it off me i just wallop 'em with the metal case :-)
[21:42] <wxl> hahha
[21:42] <wxl> glad you're enjoying it :)
[21:42] <wxl> are you already a member of the mailing list?
[21:42] <garbonzo> scored a lot of street cred points at the hackspace :-)
[21:42] <garbonzo> no, not yet
[21:42] <wxl> oh you should join
[21:42] <garbonzo> guess i should be
[21:43] <wxl> and there's always ways to help should you ever want to contribute
[21:43] <wxl> we've got jobs for everyone :)
[21:43] <garbonzo> i'm not a programmer though
[21:43] <wxl> don't need to be
[21:43] <wxl> don't even need to be technically proficient! :)
[21:43] <garbonzo> can write a little, do some graphics, play kazoo...
[21:44] <wxl> well the wiki and communications teams always need help
[21:44] <wxl> so that writing/organizational skill can be of help
[21:44] <wxl> and of course there's always artwork/graphics, so you'd be welcome there
[21:44] <wxl> even testing doesnt' require much skill
[21:44] <garbonzo> if it's something i can do spare time, then perhaps. have some commitments with kid-care and studying for my intro linux certs...
[21:44] <garbonzo> testing is good too
[21:44] <wxl> neat!
[21:45] <wxl> yeah all of this stuff is volunteer based
[21:45] <wxl> so you contribute as much as you can
[21:45] <garbonzo> sounds interesting
[21:45] <ianorlin> also for that bug in the evince with not being able to change zoom should I mail the main ubuntu-quality list about the bug as it effect many flavors
[21:45] <silverlion> garbonzo : testing would be the most important thing ;)
[21:46] <wxl> despite being release manager and head of qa (and trying really hard to continue to support ppc chips), i have a full time job, a 12 year old who's involved in a ton of activities, a wife with medical needs, and a house that is constantly in need of stuff
[21:46] <wxl> ianorlin: yes please
[21:46] <garbonzo> i can blow stuff up with the best of them
[21:46] <wxl> garbonzo: testing is actually not that exciting XD
[21:46] <silverlion> neither is communications ;)
[21:46] <wxl> hahhahaa
[21:47] <wxl> check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/GettingInvolved garbonzo
[21:47] <garbonzo> tell me about it. have been doing comms work for ~25 years and it drives me nuts...
[21:47] <garbonzo> yes, i will
[21:47] <garbonzo> ok, bookmarked
[21:47] <wxl> if you need help knowing who to talk to about any particular interest of yours, let me know
[21:47] <garbonzo> will do
[21:47] <wxl> and if you want to help with testing, let me know and i'll give you the run down :)
[21:47] <silverlion> garbonzo : ~10 now for me
[21:47] <garbonzo> probably better to read up on what the various teams want and then get back to you
[21:48] <wxl> sounds like a good plan
[21:48] <garbonzo> in principle, anything that drives devs nuts has to be a good place to start :-)
[21:49] <wxl> hahaha
[21:49] <silverlion> garbonzo : then you would be a great asset for my team as I have the extreme pleasure driving wxl nuts with stupid questions :D
[21:49] <garbonzo> i salute you
[21:50] <silverlion> ???
[21:51] <silverlion> is it strange that I like that position?
[21:51] <wxl> no :)
[21:51] <garbonzo> anyone who drives devs crazy gets my vote! there's nothing to beat that little look of despair as i stick my head 'round their cubicle door and say 'oh, just one more thing if you have a moment...' :-)
[21:52] <wxl> garbonzo: that's what bug reports are for :)
[21:52] <wxl> devs usually ignore everything else XD
[21:52] <silverlion> wxl : don't you dare ignoring me :P
[21:52] <silverlion> you know my magic of words don't you?
[21:52] <garbonzo> lol!
[21:53] <wxl> what, me, ignore you? naaawww :)
[21:54] <garbonzo> while i remember, is there any good way to map the 'windows' (super??) key to the main menu?
[21:55] <wxl> yeah hold on
[21:55] <garbonzo> please no suggestions involving resoldering :-)
[21:56] <ianorlin> sticker
[21:56] <garbonzo> s'cheating...
[21:57] <wxl> garbonzo: use Super_R or Super_L for your key in ~/.config/openbox/lubuntu-rc.xml
[21:57] <garbonzo> thanks. i'll give that a go
[22:01] <garbonzo> will read up on the volunteer opportunities and get back to you. see you around!
[22:01] <wxl> see ya
[22:01] <garbonzo> bye
[22:47] <samineru> Hi there, my /home partition is on a RAID drive, and was unexpectedly unavailable at first boot after install. I wasn't able to log in as a normal user, and can't seem to elevate to sudo from the guest account. How do I setup raid at boot?
[22:51] <ianorlin> when you say login as a normal user do you mean in lightdm or in a tty or both?
[23:10] <samineru> ianorlin: I mean within lightdm, tty login is fine, so ignore that detail, sorry
[23:15] <ianorlin> because you could sudo with your normal user on lightdm but I personally don't know how to get raid working
[23:16] <ianorlin> I have never used raid myself