[09:43] <ochosi> xnox: hey, might i bug you again about that ubiquity black background issue in xubuntu?
[09:55] <xnox> ochosi: yes you may =)
[09:56] <ochosi> xnox: i know it's maybe too late for 14.10 now, but i'm still stomped on how there are no obvious changes in the way ubiquity is handling the backgrounds and the xubuntu one not showing up
[09:59] <ochosi> xnox: lemme know if there's anything we can do to help/test
[12:12] <desrt> Laney: awake yet? :)
[12:25]  * desrt sees a seb
[12:26] <seb128> desrt, hey
[12:27] <larsu> desrt: yes, sitting next to me
[12:27] <larsu> laptop not open
[12:27] <larsu> fundling with adaptors
[12:28] <larsu> now he's constructing his workplace
[12:28] <larsu> desrt: he's asking what he wants
[12:28] <larsu> *you
[12:28] <larsu> *want
[12:28] <larsu> also, he likes English grammar
[12:33] <desrt> larsu: :)
[12:33] <desrt> seb128: hi!!
[12:33] <desrt> you guys are not in the room!
[12:33] <seb128> desrt, howdy
[12:33] <seb128> what room?
[12:33] <desrt> THE room
[12:33] <desrt> you know... the one outside of the other room
[12:34] <desrt> maybe you'd actually call that a hallway....
[12:34] <seb128> the one with windows?
[12:34] <seb128> we work on linux here...
[12:34] <desrt> there are no windows in this room
[12:34] <desrt> but there is a hint of something that looks like natural light at the end of the hall
[12:34] <desrt> so maybe that's bad
[12:34] <desrt> on the other hand, the seating is very very comfortable
[12:40] <seb128> Laney, https://git.gnome.org/browse/gtk+/commit/?id=6d7f5d443187760798fbb8dc5a50b77ce256c53e
[12:41] <Laney> WHAT
[12:46] <ogra_> lovely ... lol
[13:22] <xnox> sounds like a lot of fail.
[13:54] <seb128> Laney, that doesn't look like a bug in the "use traditional menus or not" codepath as I though it might be :/
[13:54] <seb128> both cases work under Unity
[13:54] <seb128> like I changed the return value of ev_application_has_traditional_menus()
[13:54] <larsu> seb128: want me to have a look?
[13:55] <seb128> larsu, if you want, please
[13:55] <seb128> I first though I did something stupid
[13:55] <larsu> seb128: sure, I'll do that right after the gtk update
[13:55] <seb128> like not attaching the menu in the fallback case
[13:55] <seb128> thanks
[13:55] <seb128> but doesn't seem to be it
[13:55] <larsu> ok
[14:02] <Laney> http://people.canonical.com/~laney/package-junkyard/aisleriot_3.12.1-0ubuntu2_amd64.deb http://people.canonical.com/~laney/package-junkyard/gnome-cards-data_3.12.1-0ubuntu2_all.deb
[14:02] <Laney> larsu: please to test
[15:30] <seb128> larsu, k, uitk staging Icon{} works as expected
[15:31] <larsu> seb128: cool!!
[15:31] <seb128> larsu, if you only set an height you get those though
[15:31] <seb128> seb128@seb-e6410:~/boulot/qml$ qmlscene ~/boulot/qml/label.qml
[15:31] <seb128> file:///home/seb128/boulot/qml/label.qml:9:5: QML Icon10: Binding loop detected for property "implicitWidth"
[15:31] <seb128> only setting a width works though
[15:31] <larsu> seb128: let's talk to greyback bout this
[15:31] <seb128> well the height works too
[15:31] <larsu> *about
[15:31] <larsu> thanks for testint!
[15:31] <seb128> it throws that warning
[15:32] <larsu> *testing
[15:32] <seb128> yw!
[15:32]  * larsu hates his keyboard
[15:41] <desrt> attente_: hey.  around today?
[15:43] <attente_> desrt: hey
[15:43] <desrt> attente_: we're missing you here at the sprint
[15:44] <desrt> i even needed to give larsu a hug last night to make him feel better
[15:44] <larsu> hi attente_!
[15:44] <attente_> lol
[15:44] <attente_> hi larsu
[15:44] <larsu> how are you?
[15:44] <attente_> i'm good! how's the sprint?
[15:45] <desrt> ubawesome
[15:45] <larsu> pretty good
[15:45] <desrt> Very Vivid.
[15:45] <larsu> I'm in a weird session right now though
[15:45] <larsu> desrt: viciously so
[15:46] <desrt> nice thing about english: pretty much every meaning that you could want to convey has about 20 words for doing so
[15:46] <desrt> one of them is probably going to start with the letter you want :)
[15:48] <desrt> attente_: i was wondering if you were up for some macos stuff :)
[15:48] <desrt> attente_: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=735122
[15:48] <desrt> attente_: apply these patches, except for the first one
[15:49] <desrt> then remove all mention of visibility handling from the quartz menu code
[15:49] <desrt> and it should 'just work'
[15:49] <desrt> i'd do it myself but i can't really test it....
[15:49] <larsu> attente_: your x-canonical-accel patch doesn't apply anymore
[15:49] <larsu> like, at all...
[15:49] <desrt> attente: alternatively i could write the patch and you can test it for me...
[15:50] <attente_> desrt: oh, ok. i'll look into it
[15:50] <desrt> attente_: thanks :)
[15:50] <attente_> larsu: i'll look into that as well ;)
[15:50] <desrt> should be pretty much a delete-only patch
[15:51] <larsu> attente_: I'm fixing it, don't worry about that :)
[15:51] <larsu> attente_: I just like to complain, you know....
[15:52] <attente_> lol
[15:52] <attente_> larsu: ok, thanks :)
[19:21] <larsu> desrt: mir backend doesn't build on 3.14
[19:22] <larsu> desrt: do you have a branch for this somewhere? Don't want to edit the patch directly
[19:34] <desrt> larsu: i didn't build things in a little while due to trouble getting mir itself to jhbuild
[19:34] <desrt> i'll take a look at that now and file some more bugs
[19:35] <desrt> i was trying to get mir 0.8.0 in, but i blocked on that
[19:35] <desrt> so i'll go back to 0.4 so that i can get gtk sorted at least
[19:35] <larsu> cool, thanks
[19:36] <desrt> mvo made me lie to someone just now
[19:36] <desrt> i feel bad :(
[19:37] <larsu> oh, why?
[19:37] <larsu> mvo: ts ts ts
[19:37] <mvo> yeah, we shouldn't do this again
[19:38]  * mvo feels guilty too
[19:41] <larsu> so, we're getting header bars
[19:41] <desrt> good.
[19:41] <Laney> this. changes. EVERYTHING.
[19:41] <larsu> I like this session
[19:41] <willcooke> \o/
[19:43] <TheMuso> How keyboard interractable are they?
[19:44] <larsu> TheMuso: should be the same as toolbars
[19:45] <larsu> but we're seeing a couple of bugs right now
[19:45] <larsu> (just did some quick tests with devhelp and evince)
[19:45] <TheMuso> Well one generally doesn't have a need to access toolbars, because either direct keyboard shortcuts or menus fill that role.
[19:45] <TheMuso> At least from a keyboard user's POV.
[19:46] <larsu> menus seem to be going away
[19:47] <larsu> we'll probably continue patching them in for gnome apps, but designers in this session are sying that they _might_ not have them for new apps
[19:47] <TheMuso> This displeases me. *sigh* oh well.
[19:47] <Laney> No I don't think so
[19:47] <Laney> I think they said they would keep them
[20:39] <Laney> hmm
[20:40] <Laney> didn't we get a new default wallpaper this time?
[20:42]  * Laney misses xnox 
[20:44] <Laney> pitti: got an adt failure email, woot
[20:44] <Laney> (transient failure, unwoot, but never mind)
[20:44] <Laney> oh, you already retried, man
[21:30] <hikiko> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash#Debug_Symbol_Packages bschaefer
[21:30] <bschaefer> hikiko, thanks!
[21:33] <desrt> pitti: okay.  reverted that addition to the xml.
[22:34] <xnox> Laney: i've asked mpt about it at branch on saturday, he says he is not aware of any.
[22:35] <xnox> Laney: so, i don't think so. The best bet is to ask for t-shirt logo + background. #web-team or some such should have something, as they should have website ready.
[22:35] <xnox> Laney: also months ago download pages should have been reviewed with web-team, otherwise things are changed/relayout and wording changes and nobody can find anything anywhere.
[22:36] <xnox> (e.g. full sets of images that we are releasesing this time around, etc.)