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[08:08] <RegularGuy> hmm
[08:08] <RegularGuy> morning
[09:35] <vitimiti> Hi
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[11:26] <Mathisen> does it work to install ubuntu on a " Samsung note 10.1 " Gt-N8000
[11:34] <Douglas> I want to install ubuntu touch an "orange" tablet. can someone help?
[11:34] <Mathisen> !touch list
[11:40] <daker> !devices
[11:40] <ubot5> You can find the full list of devices, official images, community images, and works in progress at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[12:15] <kenvandine> jgdx, did you see my comment on your HERE branch?
[12:15] <kenvandine> I think if hereInstalled === false it should just say "GPS"
[12:17] <jgdx> kenvandine, I dids
[12:17] <jgdx> kenvandine, adding some states
[12:17] <kenvandine> jgdx, sorry i didn't notice it on last review :)
[12:18] <kenvandine> i updated the testplan with instructions for utopic and rtm
[12:18] <jgdx> kenvandine, ah, but don't we do that after landing?
[12:18] <jgdx> I mean, after merging.
[12:18] <kenvandine> well, easier for qa verification :)
[12:19] <kenvandine> doing it before helps ensure it gets done
[12:19] <jgdx> ack
[12:21] <jgdx> has uss ci gotten unstable recently?
[12:28] <kenvandine> jgdx, it's always a little unstable
[12:29] <jgdx> yes, but unstabler :p
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[12:51] <sergiusens> Chipaca: where are you?
[13:02] <alecu> bzoltan, kalikiana, Kaleo: hi! la_juyis is telling me how annoying it is that there's no way to see passwords all the time while being typed. Is there a bug for that? What would be the project where we need to report this, besides ubuntu-ux?
[13:10] <alecu> la_juyis:
[13:10] <alecu> la_juyis: http://www.nngroup.com/articles/stop-password-masking/
[13:11] <alecu> la_juyis: that explains why I think you are right.
[13:17] <jgdx> kenvandine, pushed r1140 to https://code.launchpad.net/~jonas-drange/ubuntu-system-settings/security-allow-acceptance-of-here-terms-fixes-1375322/+merge/238419
[13:19] <la_juyis> alecu, tnx :)
[13:19] <jgdx> mpt, ping
[13:22] <kenvandine> jgdx, thx, building in utopic silo 17
[13:27] <chrisc> i opened a bug requesting the ability to use a proxy web server https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/webbrowser-app/+bug/1383716
[13:27] <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1383716 in webbrowser-app (Ubuntu) "No way to use a proxy server in webbrowser-app" [Undecided,New]
[13:27] <jgdx> kenvandine, thanks
[13:44] <kalikiana> alecu: we'll have the last typed character temporarily shown; at least that's a partial improvement
[13:46] <kalikiana> alecu: I can't personally agree with always unmasking as I frequently am at public places where people will look at the screen but not my keyboard
[13:46] <Chipaca> bzoltan: hey, whereabouts can i find you?
[14:00] <alecu> kalikiana: agree with that, phones are used in public places more often than computers; but what about an "eye" icon to show the password while pressed? (like shown at the end of that article)
[14:00] <alecu> I find that very useful in a few programs that have it, like Keepass
[14:01] <alecu> here's la_juyis report for that bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ux/+bug/1383734
[14:01] <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1383734 in Ubuntu UX "passwords shouldn't be masked by default, or an option should be included" [Undecided,New]
[14:01] <kalikiana> alecu: I do like the checkbox we have for instance in the wlan dialog. That's clearer than a tiny cryptic icon
[14:02] <kalikiana> not to mention it would conflict with "clear"
[14:04]  * alecu looks at the wifi dialog again
[14:05] <alecu> kalikiana: right, it would conflict with clear; I guess we'll need to follow that ui pattern everywhere a password needs to be entered.
[14:05] <alecu> la_juyis: ^
[14:07] <jgdx> kenvandine, 017?
[14:08] <jgdx> seems unrelated
[14:08] <kenvandine> jgdx, huh?  silo utopic silo 17
[14:08] <jgdx> oh right
[14:08] <ogra_> jdstrand, poke
[14:08] <jgdx> kenvandine, is Pat around?
[14:09] <kenvandine> jgdx, i don't know where he is
[14:09] <jgdx> kenvandine, okay
[14:13] <la_juyis> alecu, kalikiana : a checkbox is ok
[14:13] <la_juyis> alecu, kalikiana just checked the wifi dialog and it's ok
[14:13] <la_juyis> (i can't go back now, but the show password thing is ok)
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[14:32] <mardy> kenvandine: btw, this might turn useful: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~online-accounts/ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts/trunk/view/head:/online-accounts-service/mir-helper.h
[14:32] <kenvandine> mardy, thx
[14:33] <bzoltan> Chipaca: in the Stevens room in the cellar
[14:33] <mardy> kenvandine: we have both a real implementation and a stub one, for X11
[14:33] <kenvandine> cool!
[14:36] <pitti> ogra_: bug 1337253
[14:36] <ubot5> bug 1337253 in click-apparmor (Ubuntu) "Doesn't apply --include to newly installed clicks" [Undecided,Won't fix] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1337253
[14:42] <awe_> davmor2, can you still reproduce https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1378416
[14:42] <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1378416 in network-manager (Ubuntu) "turned off wifi to test 3g I see H in the indicator but I recieve nothing from the system" [High,Confirmed]
[14:43] <davmor2> awe_: no idea stupid american sim doesn't do 3g
[14:43] <davmor2> awe_: I was hit by it leaving home for the airport in England though
[14:44] <awe_> davmor2, actually it's the hw, not the SIM
[14:44] <davmor2> awe_: well you know what I mean
[14:44] <awe_> anyways, it shouldn't make a difference 2g vs. 3g in theory
[14:44] <awe_> can you connect to 2g?
[14:44] <davmor2> awe_: let me see
[14:45] <awe_> k, thanks
[14:45] <jgdx> awe_, I can
[14:45] <jgdx> I have the airplain icon and 'H' in the indicator.
[14:45] <davmor2> awe_: no I just see the wifi empty symbol where you at?
[14:46] <awe_> jgdx, if you get it in this state, could you grab the output from 'ip route', 'ip address', and 'ip link'?
[14:46] <awe_> davmor2, ballroom B
[14:46] <awe_> jgdx, wrong bug
[14:47] <jgdx> eh?
[14:47] <awe_> jgdx, this is boot system, mobile data connects, connect to WiFI, use it for awhile
[14:47] <awe_> disable WiFi, H icon appears, but you're not online
[14:48] <awe_> the airplane + 2G/3G icon is this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-network/+bug/1383357
[14:48] <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1383357 in indicator-network (Ubuntu) "enabling flight mode shows airplance + 2g icon" [Critical,Confirmed]
[14:48] <jgdx> awe_, seems I can repro both
[14:48] <jgdx> disabled wifi, mobile data is off, H is displayed, but no conn
[14:49] <awe_> jgdx, ok great, than can you grab the output of the ip commands I pasted above?
[14:50] <awe_> jgdx, in the case of WiFi being disabled, the code tries to restore the default route to use mobile data, and a failure occurs
[14:50] <jgdx> awe_, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/8615857/
[14:52] <awe_> thanks jgdx
[14:52] <jgdx> awe_, indicators: http://i.imgur.com/pEDA7Sj.png
[14:52] <jgdx> awe_, np
[14:53] <awe_> jgdx, thanks!
[14:54] <awe_> cyphermox, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/8615857/plain/
[15:08] <cyphermox> awe_: this is scaring me a bit: Oct  7 13:22:03 ubuntu-phablet kernel: [14655.999891] (0)[1956:rild][ccci/net] (1)CCMNI0 close
[15:08] <awe_> ugh
[15:09] <cyphermox> I think we should verify what this is and why rild decided to touch ccmni0 :/
[15:09] <cyphermox> *if* we can verify that ;)
[15:09] <awe_> sure...  guess it's back in my court
[15:09] <cyphermox> sorry ;)
[15:09] <cyphermox> I'll keep digging on my side, in case it got prompted by NM in some way
[15:09] <awe_> np, can you please add this in the bug?
[15:10] <awe_> ( if you haven't already )
[15:10] <cyphermox> but there's evidence earlier that when NM asks for it, it's written in the log, and NM logs it as well
[15:10] <cyphermox> sure
[15:34] <awe_> cyphermox, davmor2, did you guys verify that davmor2 is able to reproduce the exact problem here, or do we need jgdx to help us?
[15:34] <cyphermox> we do need jgdx's help; it's not quite the same problem here
[15:34] <awe_> I guess the next step is to get a RILD trace and determine whether or not we're receiving a DATA_CALL_LIST_CHANGED event
[15:34] <awe_> cyphermox, thanks
[15:35] <jgdx> har to halp
[15:35] <cyphermox> davmor2 is getting everything correct, but the context never gets an IP address... possibly because we get just edge, I don't know
[15:35] <jgdx> (for the next 30 mins) :P
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[16:32] <Dynamicwork> I need some help about ubuntu touch dual boot at Nexus 5, anyone can help me?
[17:29] <vitimiti> Hi
[17:37] <pdq__> have updated to r243 on N4. App updates no longer work (stay at 0% forever), also downloads from Ubuntu store error out. I can't find anything in the log files. Ideas?
[17:37] <dobey> pdq__: delete ad re-add the u1 account in system settings
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[18:06] <lotuspsychje> pdq__: got same issues on updates on my n7
[18:08] <pdq__> deleting and re-adding u1 account as suggested here has fixed it for me
[18:09] <lotuspsychje> pdq__: i tryed reset to factory settings and add one account, and also worked
[18:09] <lotuspsychje> hope it stays this way
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[19:28] <Chipaca> davmor2:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-push/+bug/1383867
[19:28] <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1383867 in Ubuntu Push Notifications "push client services initialization ordering wrong" [Critical,In progress]
[19:36] <davmor2> Chipaca: just for your info I'm using  ubuntu-device-flash --channel ubuntu-touch/ubuntu-rtm/14.09-proposed --revision -10  --wipe to flash
[19:37] <Chipaca> davmor2: and i remain absolutely puzzled wrt the sudden disappearance of that push client
[19:37] <Chipaca> but the crasher is fixed, i think :) i'll build it and get you an arm binary for your enjoyment
[19:38] <davmor2> Chipaca: \o/
[19:38] <Chipaca> davmor2: meanwhile what you could do is not have an sd card in
[19:38] <Chipaca> davmor2: as it's the ciborium notification that's sent out early in the boot, before push's bus is ready
[19:39] <davmor2> sergiusens: ^ see it's all your fault
[19:39] <Chipaca> and that's the crash that we see (not the cause of the missing notification, but it'll clean up the logs maybe)
[19:39] <Chipaca> davmor2: ah, that's rule #3
[19:39] <Chipaca> davmor2: rule #2 is your "it's always two things"
[19:39] <davmor2> Chipaca: rule #1 it's always a one line fix
[19:39]  * Chipaca counts the lines
[19:40] <Chipaca> nope :)
[19:40] <davmor2> hahaha
[19:40] <Chipaca> 80+ lines diff, and that's not counting the tests
[19:40] <davmor2> ouch
[19:40] <Chipaca> eh. mostly moving a chunk of code around for the ordering to fail better
[19:41] <davmor2> hahahaha
[19:41] <Chipaca> the other order is conceptually better :) but yeah, problematic
[19:41] <Chipaca> anyway, enough being social for me. To tests!
[19:54] <sergiusens> Chipaca: davmor2 fwiw, ciborium has a start on started ubuntu-push-client
[19:54] <Chipaca> sergiusens: yep
[19:54] <sergiusens> and I think we had this conversation already
[19:54] <Chipaca> sergiusens: or something similar
[19:54] <sergiusens> about using emit or something :-)
[19:54] <Chipaca> yeah
[19:54] <davmor2> sergiusens: I don't care it's your fault
[19:54] <Chipaca> agreed
[19:55] <sergiusens> it's not really; it harmless if ciborium fails to deliver the push
[19:55] <Chipaca> sergiusens: so, while we do the emit (if and when), can ciborium sleep 2 seconds after started ubuntu-push-client ?
[19:56] <Chipaca> sergiusens: and, non-relatedly, would you accept a patch to ciborium that kept track of the sd's it's seen, and make it not notify you of ones it's already notified you about?
[19:56] <sergiusens> Chipaca: some people would hang me though
[19:56] <Chipaca> sergiusens: which people? i can talk with them -- make them want to hang me instead
[19:56] <sergiusens> Chipaca: cold reboots, no; just be a user
[19:56] <sergiusens> Chipaca: talk to ogra about adding sleeps
[19:57] <Chipaca> ok
[19:57] <Chipaca> sergiusens: cold reboowha?
[19:57] <sergiusens> Chipaca: where are you?
[19:57] <Chipaca> sergiusens: in dallas
[19:57] <sergiusens> Chipaca: is that in a meeting or just hanging?
[19:57] <davmor2> Chipaca: liar you are in DC :P
[19:57] <Chipaca> sergiusens: no, in actual dallas, with cowboy hats and all
[19:58] <Chipaca> sergiusens: (just hacking)
[19:58] <Chipaca> sergiusens: you?
[19:58] <sergiusens> Chipaca: ballroom b
[19:58] <Chipaca> ooh, aren't you fancy
[19:58] <sergiusens> Chipaca: want to come over? or should I walk over?
[19:58]  * bubbasaures hears sonny rollins playing "I'm an old Cowhand"
[20:00] <lotuspsychje> bubbasaures: you also a touch user?
[20:01] <bubbasaures> lotuspsychje, Not lately had it on my forst gen nexus 7 at times.
[20:01] <bubbasaures> first*
[20:01] <ogra_> Chipaca, sergiusens, given my state of jetlag i'm all for adding sleeps :P
[20:01] <lotuspsychje> i have the n7 2013 wifi :p
[20:13] <Chipaca> ogra_: i went outside just now and there was a bit of wind. it was whispering "remember chipaca's ppu", so i suspect it wasn't talking to me
[20:15] <ogra_> heh
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[20:52] <daker> anyone know how fix the infographics ? it doesn't show stats at all for me for few months now
[20:57] <daker> i think bug 1374553 isn't fixed yet
[20:57] <ubot5> bug 1374553 in livecd-rootfs (Ubuntu RTM) "In image rtm 69 infographics stopped functioning" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1374553
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[21:39] <popey> MacSlow: hey, is there an api for app developers to be able to use the notifications like the volume one, for notifying the user of something?
[21:40] <popey> MacSlow: we have an app developer (here at the sprint) who could do with some advice on this when you're around
[21:40] <MacSlow> popey, no... with unity8 notifications are restricted to non-confined apps only
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[21:41] <popey> MacSlow: so what do app developers do? Are they expected to implement their own notifications?
[21:41] <MacSlow> popey, security-reasons force us to restrict access to notifications sadly
[21:48] <nhaines> Ubuntu is removing the notifications API?
[21:48]  * nhaines emails OMG! Ubuntu.
[21:51] <Laney> Security reasons like what?
[21:52] <larsu> popey: I told them this a while ago. The official answer is that apps don't need to notify yet
[21:52] <larsu> Laney: spamming maybe?
[21:53] <Dynamicwork> I need some help about ubuntu touch dual boot at Nexus 5, anyone can help me?
[21:53] <nhaines> !ask
[21:53] <ubot5> Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience
[21:53] <Dynamicwork> !patience
[21:53] <ubot5> Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. While you wait, try searching https://help.ubuntu.com or http://ubuntuforums.org or http://askubuntu.com/
[21:54] <nhaines> Especially when no one's around.  :)
[21:54] <Dynamicwork> ok. thanx :D
[21:54] <nhaines> ubuntu-rtm/14.09 r5 is broken on hammerhead (Nexus 5) as far as I can tell.
[21:54] <nhaines> Use r4 or ubuntu-rtm/14.04-proposed r100 or higher for now.  :)
[21:55] <Dynamicwork> umm, I wanna say that dual boot installation is teasing me ;-;
[22:06] <Dynamicwork> nhaines: where can I download  ubuntu-rtm/14.04-proposed image manually? I'm still finding it but there was nowhere I can download it manually(tar.xz).
[22:18] <nhaines> Dynamicwork: no idea.  I dual-boot with MultiROM Manager.  Tassadar knows all that for me.  (Thanks, Tassadar@)
[22:26] <Tassadar> ^^
[22:30] <the_storm> guys how can I get the source of the kernel on android nexus having an ubuntu phone ?
[22:30] <the_storm> I want to patch the kernel and flash to the device but I can't get the source
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[22:41] <the_storm> popey I want to download the kernel source code of ubuntu phone any suggestions to get the source code?
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