[01:00] mrgoodcat: sorry, was at grpug meeting [03:10] <_stink_> so you guys are all playing Go against each other? [03:10] <_stink_> i might want in [03:10] <_stink_> getting my ass handed to me [03:49] That is apparently a specialty [03:57] <_stink_> haha [12:01] _stink_: I'm brousch on DGS [12:46] brousch: i was gonna ask if we should resume play for the top left corner. I could have killed that bent 3, thus reducing your territory and increasing my own. I would still have lost but I wanted to see how it played out. [12:48] Top left? How would you attack that? [12:49] if i go f12 [12:50] ah, top middle [12:50] You should have gone for it [12:50] your choices are e12 or f13 [12:50] either way though, you would have been screwed [12:50] yeah [12:51] next time i'll just resume play if i'm unsure [12:51] Right [12:51] Just ignore the statement that it's over and go for it [12:52] Or say something like "I'd like to try to attack some more" [12:52] I've always gotten a "go for it" from an opponent when I do that [12:53] yea i'm a little unsure of the etiquette on things like that. since it wouldn't have affected the outcome of the game [12:55] I can see a 10 point swing in that spot [12:55] Might have made it close enough to attempt something in the lower left [12:57] I'd lose 4 territory, you'd gain 3 takes and 3 territory [12:59] But really, your opponent has no choice but to continue if you don't pass [13:21] Good morning [13:21] morning [13:23] Apparently the one thing I'm really good at is letting brousch capture me. [13:23] I love being handicapped throughout the game. :) [13:25] heh [13:25] cmaloney: I wasn't sure how long you'd work on that lower right corner before seeing what's up [13:32] yeah, lost a lot of ground in there [13:36] I think you were only 1 liberty from not losing it [13:52] yeah, unfortunately I'm not strong enough to not shoot myself in the foot. [13:52] Have a hard time figuring out which shapes are secure and which will get me into trouble. [14:02] 2 eyes are the only real defense [14:02] 2+ [14:02] If you can't make 2 eyes, you need to make it really annoying to attempt to take [14:04] Like right now you have a good eye at h10, but it's vulnerable without the second [14:37] brousch: i'm not quite sure this is a good idea, but i'm going for it [14:38] Yes, I'm curious [14:38] I think it is legit [14:39] More aggressive than I'm used to [14:46] good counter. was hoping you wouldn't see that [14:49] Seems useful [15:11] cmaloney: [Discuss] (forw) [clampkin@teksystems.com: TEKsystems] [15:11] I like how it's just "Discuss", not "MUG Discuss" [15:12] Fits right in with "Michigan User Group" [15:14] Heh [15:14] We're all about co-opting everytrhing we can. :) [15:15] Also about not violating an RFC or two with some of these overloaded subject lines [15:16] You only need 1 discussion list in your life, and this is it [15:16] michigan /usr group [15:18] brousch: ++ [15:40] brousch: well at least i'll escape from one side or the other i think [15:40] turns out it was a bad idea to be that aggressive [15:40] ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ [15:40] live and learn [15:43] escape? [15:45] try to anyways [15:46] Ko fight! [15:52] so it would seem [15:52] * mrgoodcat just looked up ko fight [15:52] i know laughably little about this game it would seem [15:52] This is my first Ko fight [15:56] you're going to win [15:56] I think so [15:57] I don't see a way out for you, but you are often unpredictable [17:20] http://www.linux.com/news/software/applications/792447-3-alternatives-to-the-adobe-pdf-reader-on-linux [17:20] http://goo.gl/gVBIqP - 3 Alternatives to the Adobe PDF Reader on Linux | Linux.com [17:20] I'm really starting to despise Adobe. [17:21] Took you long enough [17:21] Before it was a dull hate [17:22] that aching tooth you never get looked at [17:22] then BAM, infection and you lose half your mouth [17:22] that is Adobe. [17:22] greg-g Yeah [17:23] They make great formats. I still think PDFs and ePubs are the bee's knees [17:23] and Postscript <3<3<3 [17:23] but their client software support needs to die in a fire [17:24] My favorite interaction with Adobe was when they sponsored a GRWebDev meeting and pimped their new creative cloud stuff. I asked , "Does it run on Linux?" "What's Linux?" "It's what all your creative cloud servers run on" "Oh, no" [17:24] I'm using YNAB in Wine because it's brilliant, and also because Adobe stopped supporting AIR under Linux [17:24] PDF is NOT the bee's knees. It is a security joke. [17:24] jrwren: It became one when they added Javascript [17:24] They couldn't leave well-enough alone [17:24] cmaloney: and AIR [17:25] cmaloney: and SWF [17:25] jrwren: SWF needs to find a fire real-soon-now [17:25] cmaloney: you can embed a SWF in a PDF and it executes with full desktop security context when you open it in Reader. [17:25] AIR I'm mixed on [17:25] Gah [17:25] What the fuck [17:25] don't download things you don't trust, mmmkay? [17:25] jrwren: That's probably why they're dropping Linux [17:26] greg-g: I think the moral is to just cut your network connection [17:26] Air on Linux was killed circa 2011 [17:26] cmaloney: air lock and faraday cage, yep. It's the only way. [17:26] but then adobe does cool things like brackets. [17:27] Yeah, I mean they have cool stuff [17:27] like the dude from Enemy of the State [17:27] Enemy of Adobe. [17:27] greg-g: I'm thinking of Panic Room (or the one with Patrick Stewart) [17:27] never saw that one [17:28] ok, time to do an interview! :) [17:28] Glass House maybe? [17:28] for work or something else? [17:28] (I'm hiring a Release Engineer, remote welcome, if you know anyone) [17:28] Isn't that you? [17:28] https://boards.greenhouse.io/wikimedia/jobs/29435?t=5fw24x [17:28] http://goo.gl/deQ1lO - Job Application for Release Engineer at Wikimedia Foundation [17:28] I'm now the Release Team Manager :) [17:28] Nice! [17:28] * greg-g has a team of 8, soon to be 9 [17:30] it's weird, it's like they think I'm an adult [17:30] pretty good woot right now if anyone needs an A/V receiver [17:30] Do they all wear those goofy foot-shaped shoes and sport beards? [17:31] mrgoodcat: Gah [17:31] brousch: just me [17:32] * greg-g actually only wears "five fingers" when running [17:32] greg-g: Is it wrong that I think everyone who works for Wikimedia looks like you? [17:32] heh, there's a lot of variance in the SF hipster scene, especially the non-profit one ;) [17:33] gr you have a pair of vibrams? [17:33] wtf tab complete sent a weird character instead of completing.... [17:33] greg-g: you have a pair of vibrams? [17:33] greg-g: :) [17:37] Chucks or GTFO. :) [17:39] I love this bio of J. Random Follower on Twitter [17:40] Founder / CEO of @[eponymous company] Building a world class company that delivers on networked knowledge for organisations & ultimately explores the same for humanity. [17:41] I'm the Founder / CEO of @squeekyhoho. Building a world class company that delivers on networked knowledge for organisations & ultimately explores the same for humanity. [17:41] it works for pretty much anything [17:41] It's a nothing mission statement [18:05] <_stink_> haha, i love it [18:05] * _stink_ puts that on a t-shirt [18:08] mrgoodcat: yeah, I run in them, I like the zero elevation diff betwen front and back of foot [18:09] i've been thinking of getting a pair [18:09] i heard you can hurt your feet but it stands to reason that people are just hurting themselves because they haven't conditioned their feet properly to run without arch supports [18:09] I ran barefoot for a while as well, but the vibrams give you some protection from rocks and such, which is nice :) [18:09] mrgoodcat: exactly [18:09] i run barefoot now [18:10] mrgoodcat: don't go all out at first if... oh, you run barefoot now, cool [18:10] but it limits where i can run [18:10] when I switched to barefoot from shoes, I was running 6 miles a day, so I had to go easy during the transition [18:10] i've done some trail running barefoot but i cut myself real bad last year at the chrysler proving grounds [18:11] eek [18:11] yeah, fivefingers would help [18:19] If only you could put something tough yet flexible between your feet and the ground to prevent such things. Maybe like a piece of car tire [18:20] some do! [18:20] as long as there isn't an incline (higher heal than ball) it's probably ok [18:20] * greg-g goes afk [18:21] It would probably fall off, so maybe you could strap it over the top of the foot to hold it on better [18:22] i think i'll just get a pair of vibrams [18:22] Maybe run a strap behind the heel to keep it from sliding off the front, too [18:26] brousch: i realize you're making fun of me not just buying shoes [18:27] OMG you're right that is kind of like a shoe! [18:27] * brousch is an ass today. [18:28] vibrams are shoes. just a lot less supportive and restrictive [18:37] gotta love having the "just do it because I said so feeling" ... and then swallowing it as hard as you can [18:46] rick_h_: now why would you ever even think that? ;] [18:47] I just have to remember that when I end up being right, that even saying jfdi would not have been a good thing. :) [18:47] and chew on some times I was wrong...but damn I'm cranky about how 'right' I was on this one and the fact I let it go until now pisses me off [18:47] jfdi is NEVER a good thinkg [18:48] oh I can think it :P [18:48] and then swallow hard and move along [18:48] rick_h_: ha, funny that I don't even know what you are talking about ;] [18:49] jrwren: yea, I'm trapped. I can't vent on twitter because everyone follows me, then G+...same boat, and now in IRC you're here so at least it's only one person lol [18:49] my dog doesn't give a damn about api implementations :P [18:49] rick_h_: you can still vent. I'll just /ignore you. [18:49] good plan [18:49] someone let me know if rick_h_ responds. I have him on /ignore :p [18:50] jrwren: is the best guy on the team, shame he /ignores me ! [18:50] rick_h_: i keep a connection to *other* irc networks for just venting. I drove everyone away. [18:50] lol [18:54] I thought CHC was for venting [18:55] yea, I've missed the last few weeks with travel [18:55] guess we know what tomorrow will bring :P [18:55] ... unless i crash :p [20:59] brousch: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/pi-top-a-raspberry-pi-laptop-you-build-yourself [20:59] http://goo.gl/LcByDg - Pi-Top, a Raspberry Pi laptop you build yourself! | Indiegogo [21:01] cmaloney: I'm not convinced the rpi is useful for general computing [21:02] ah, but I have to run. bbl [21:02] Laterness [21:47] Wow, apparently my linode instance had a hardware fault. [21:57] boom [21:59] They took care of it before I could figure out what was going on. :) [22:02] nice [22:57] brousch: i've done general comp with my pi no problem [22:57] model B [22:57] just basic web browsing and media [22:58] I ran arch and i3-wm on it [22:58] with everything running it only had like 20 processes in htop [23:02] It's quite slow on Raspbian [23:05] i never really bothered much with raspbian [23:07] i'm surprised its slow though [23:07] have you tried a lighter weight window manager [23:07] ? [23:10] i'd try slim login manager and openbox or something like that. might free up some resources for you [23:25] Lighter than lxde? [23:25] oh yea [23:25] It's the browser itself that is slow [23:25] lxde is pretty light as far as traditional window managers go but there are definitely lighter options [23:26] ever try links browser? [23:27] links2 [23:27] or w3m is what I tend to use for html mail from mutt [23:27] w3m is just the renderer for mutt right? [23:28] no, it's a browser [23:30] how do you scroll emails in mutt? [23:30] i've been using alpine [23:31] ? [23:34] wow thats quite the help page [23:34] alpine is quite a bit simpler but it seems like mutt has a lot more commands [23:45] :) [23:48] yea mutt seems ok