[01:00] <brousch> mrgoodcat: sorry, was at grpug meeting
[03:10] <_stink_> so you guys are all playing Go against each other?
[03:10] <_stink_> i might want in
[03:10] <_stink_> getting my ass handed to me
[03:49] <cmaloney> That is apparently a specialty
[03:57] <_stink_> haha
[12:01] <brousch> _stink_: I'm brousch on DGS
[12:46] <mrgoodcat> brousch: i was gonna ask if we should resume play for the top left corner. I could have killed that bent 3, thus reducing your territory and increasing my own. I would still have lost but I wanted to see how it played out.
[12:48] <brousch> Top left? How would you attack that?
[12:49] <mrgoodcat> if i go f12
[12:50] <brousch> ah, top middle
[12:50] <brousch> You should have gone for it
[12:50] <mrgoodcat> your choices are e12 or f13
[12:50] <mrgoodcat> either way though, you would have been screwed
[12:50] <brousch> yeah
[12:51] <mrgoodcat> next time i'll just resume play if i'm unsure
[12:51] <brousch> Right
[12:51] <brousch> Just ignore the statement that it's over and go for it
[12:52] <brousch> Or say something like "I'd like to try to attack some more"
[12:52] <brousch> I've always gotten a "go for it" from an opponent when I do that
[12:53] <mrgoodcat> yea i'm a little unsure of the etiquette on things like that. since it wouldn't have affected the outcome of the game
[12:55] <brousch> I can see a 10 point swing in that spot
[12:55] <brousch> Might have made it close enough to attempt something in the lower left
[12:57] <brousch> I'd lose 4 territory, you'd gain 3 takes and 3 territory
[12:59] <brousch> But really, your opponent has no choice but to continue if you don't pass
[13:21] <cmaloney> Good morning
[13:21] <rick_h_> morning
[13:23] <cmaloney> Apparently the one thing I'm really good at is letting brousch capture me.
[13:23] <cmaloney> I love being handicapped throughout the game. :)
[13:25] <brousch> heh
[13:25] <brousch> cmaloney: I wasn't sure how long you'd work on that lower right corner before seeing what's up
[13:32] <cmaloney> yeah, lost a lot of ground in there
[13:36] <brousch> I think you were only 1 liberty from not losing it
[13:52] <cmaloney> yeah, unfortunately I'm not strong enough to not shoot myself in the foot.
[13:52] <cmaloney> Have a hard time figuring out which shapes are secure and which will get me into trouble.
[14:02] <brousch> 2 eyes are the only real defense
[14:02] <brousch> 2+
[14:02] <brousch> If you can't make 2 eyes, you need to make it really annoying to attempt to take
[14:04] <brousch> Like right now you have a good eye at h10, but it's vulnerable without the second
[14:37] <mrgoodcat> brousch: i'm not quite sure this is a good idea, but i'm going for it
[14:38] <brousch> Yes, I'm curious
[14:38] <brousch> I think it is legit
[14:39] <brousch> More aggressive than I'm used to
[14:46] <mrgoodcat> good counter. was hoping you wouldn't see that
[14:49] <brousch> Seems useful
[15:11] <brousch> cmaloney: [Discuss] (forw) [clampkin@teksystems.com: TEKsystems]
[15:11] <brousch> I like how it's just "Discuss", not "MUG Discuss"
[15:12] <brousch> Fits right in with "Michigan User Group"
[15:14] <cmaloney> Heh
[15:14] <cmaloney> We're all about co-opting everytrhing we can. :)
[15:15] <cmaloney> Also about not violating an RFC or two with some of these overloaded subject lines
[15:16] <brousch> You only need 1 discussion list in your life, and this is it
[15:16] <jrwren> michigan /usr group
[15:18] <cmaloney> brousch: ++
[15:40] <mrgoodcat> brousch: well at least i'll escape from one side or the other i think
[15:40] <mrgoodcat> turns out it was a bad idea to be that aggressive
[15:40] <mrgoodcat> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[15:40] <mrgoodcat> live and learn
[15:43] <brousch> escape?
[15:45] <mrgoodcat> try to anyways
[15:46] <brousch> Ko fight!
[15:52] <mrgoodcat> so it would seem
[15:52]  * mrgoodcat just looked up ko fight
[15:52] <mrgoodcat> i know laughably little about this game it would seem
[15:52] <brousch> This is my first Ko fight
[15:56] <mrgoodcat> you're going to win
[15:56] <brousch> I think so
[15:57] <brousch> I don't see a way out for you, but you are often unpredictable
[17:20] <cmaloney> http://www.linux.com/news/software/applications/792447-3-alternatives-to-the-adobe-pdf-reader-on-linux
[17:20] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/gVBIqP - 3 Alternatives to the Adobe PDF Reader on Linux | Linux.com
[17:20] <cmaloney> I'm really starting to despise Adobe.
[17:21] <brousch> Took you long enough
[17:21] <cmaloney> Before it was a dull hate
[17:22] <greg-g> that aching tooth you never get looked at
[17:22] <greg-g> then BAM, infection and you lose half your mouth
[17:22] <greg-g> that is Adobe.
[17:22] <cmaloney>  greg-g Yeah
[17:23] <cmaloney> They make great formats. I still think PDFs and ePubs are the bee's knees
[17:23] <cmaloney> and Postscript <3<3<3
[17:23] <cmaloney> but their client software support needs to die in a fire
[17:24] <brousch> My favorite interaction with Adobe was when they sponsored a GRWebDev meeting and pimped their new creative cloud stuff. I asked , "Does it run on Linux?" "What's Linux?" "It's what all your creative cloud servers run on" "Oh, no"
[17:24] <cmaloney> I'm using YNAB in Wine because it's brilliant, and also because Adobe stopped supporting AIR under Linux
[17:24] <jrwren> PDF is NOT the bee's knees. It is a security joke.
[17:24] <cmaloney> jrwren: It became one when they added Javascript
[17:24] <cmaloney> They couldn't leave well-enough alone
[17:24] <jrwren> cmaloney: and AIR
[17:25] <jrwren> cmaloney: and SWF
[17:25] <cmaloney> jrwren: SWF needs to find a fire real-soon-now
[17:25] <jrwren> cmaloney: you can embed a SWF in a PDF and it executes with full desktop security context when you open it in Reader.
[17:25] <cmaloney> AIR I'm mixed on
[17:25] <cmaloney> Gah
[17:25] <cmaloney> What the fuck
[17:25] <greg-g> don't download things you don't trust, mmmkay?
[17:25] <cmaloney> jrwren: That's probably why they're dropping Linux
[17:26] <cmaloney> greg-g: I think the moral is to just cut your network connection
[17:26] <brousch> Air on Linux was killed circa 2011
[17:26] <greg-g> cmaloney: air lock and faraday cage, yep. It's the only way.
[17:26] <jrwren> but then adobe does cool things like brackets.
[17:27] <cmaloney> Yeah, I mean they have cool stuff
[17:27] <greg-g> like the dude from Enemy of the State
[17:27] <greg-g> Enemy of Adobe.
[17:27] <cmaloney> greg-g: I'm thinking of Panic Room (or the one with Patrick Stewart)
[17:27] <greg-g> never saw that one
[17:28] <greg-g> ok, time to do an interview! :)
[17:28] <cmaloney> Glass House maybe?
[17:28] <cmaloney> for work or something else?
[17:28] <greg-g> (I'm hiring a Release Engineer, remote welcome, if you know anyone)
[17:28] <cmaloney> Isn't that you?
[17:28] <greg-g> https://boards.greenhouse.io/wikimedia/jobs/29435?t=5fw24x
[17:28] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/deQ1lO - Job Application for Release Engineer at Wikimedia Foundation
[17:28] <greg-g> I'm now the Release Team Manager :)
[17:28] <cmaloney> Nice!
[17:28]  * greg-g has a team of 8, soon to be 9
[17:30] <greg-g> it's weird, it's like they think I'm an adult
[17:30] <mrgoodcat> pretty good woot right now if anyone needs an A/V receiver
[17:30] <brousch> Do they all wear those goofy foot-shaped shoes and sport beards?
[17:31] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: Gah
[17:31] <greg-g> brousch: just me
[17:32]  * greg-g actually only wears "five fingers" when running
[17:32] <brousch> greg-g: Is it wrong that I think everyone who works for Wikimedia looks like you?
[17:32] <greg-g> heh, there's a lot of variance in the SF hipster scene, especially the non-profit one ;)
[17:33] <mrgoodcat> gr	you have a pair of vibrams?
[17:33] <mrgoodcat> wtf tab complete sent a weird character instead of completing....
[17:33] <mrgoodcat> greg-g: you have a pair of vibrams?
[17:33] <rick_h_> greg-g: :)
[17:37] <cmaloney> Chucks or GTFO. :)
[17:39] <cmaloney> I love this bio of J. Random Follower on Twitter
[17:40] <cmaloney> Founder / CEO of @[eponymous company] Building a world class company that delivers on networked knowledge for organisations & ultimately explores the same for humanity.
[17:41] <cmaloney> I'm the Founder / CEO of @squeekyhoho. Building a world class company that delivers on networked knowledge for organisations & ultimately explores the same for humanity.
[17:41] <mrgoodcat> it works for pretty much anything
[17:41] <cmaloney> It's a nothing mission statement
[18:05] <_stink_> haha, i love it
[18:05]  * _stink_ puts that on a t-shirt
[18:08] <greg-g> mrgoodcat: yeah, I run in them, I like the zero elevation diff betwen front and back of foot
[18:09] <mrgoodcat> i've been thinking of getting a pair
[18:09] <mrgoodcat> i heard you can hurt your feet but it stands to reason that people are just hurting themselves because they haven't conditioned their feet properly to run without arch supports
[18:09] <greg-g> I ran barefoot for a while as well, but the vibrams give you some protection from rocks and such, which is nice :)
[18:09] <greg-g> mrgoodcat: exactly
[18:09] <mrgoodcat> i run barefoot now
[18:10] <greg-g> mrgoodcat: don't go all out at first if... oh, you run barefoot now, cool
[18:10] <mrgoodcat> but it limits where i can run
[18:10] <greg-g> when I switched to barefoot from shoes, I was running 6 miles a day, so I had to go easy during the transition
[18:10] <mrgoodcat> i've done some trail running barefoot but i cut myself real bad last year at the chrysler proving grounds
[18:11] <greg-g> eek
[18:11] <greg-g> yeah, fivefingers would help
[18:19] <brousch> If only you could put something tough yet flexible between your feet and the ground to prevent such things. Maybe like a piece of car tire
[18:20] <greg-g> some do!
[18:20] <greg-g> as long as there isn't an incline (higher heal than ball) it's probably ok
[18:20]  * greg-g goes afk
[18:21] <brousch> It would probably fall off, so maybe you could strap it over the top of the foot to hold it on better
[18:22] <mrgoodcat> i think i'll just get a pair of vibrams
[18:22] <brousch> Maybe run a strap behind the heel to keep it from sliding off the front, too
[18:26] <mrgoodcat> brousch: i realize you're making fun of me not just buying shoes
[18:27] <brousch> OMG you're right that is kind of like a shoe!
[18:27]  * brousch is an ass today.
[18:28] <mrgoodcat> vibrams are shoes. just a lot less supportive and restrictive
[18:37] <rick_h_> gotta love having the "just do it because I said so feeling" ... and then swallowing it as hard as you can
[18:46] <jrwren> rick_h_: now why would you ever even think that? ;]
[18:47] <rick_h_> I just have to remember that when I end up being right, that even saying jfdi would not have been a good thing. :)
[18:47] <rick_h_> and chew on some times I was wrong...but damn I'm cranky about how 'right' I was on this one and the fact I let it go until now pisses me off
[18:47] <jrwren> jfdi is NEVER a good thinkg
[18:48] <rick_h_> oh I can think it :P
[18:48] <rick_h_> and then swallow hard and move along
[18:48] <jrwren> rick_h_: ha, funny that I don't even know what you are talking about ;]
[18:49] <rick_h_> jrwren: yea, I'm trapped. I can't vent on twitter because everyone follows me, then G+...same boat, and now in IRC you're here so at least it's only one person lol
[18:49] <rick_h_> my dog doesn't give a damn about api implementations :P
[18:49] <jrwren> rick_h_: you can still vent. I'll just /ignore you.
[18:49] <rick_h_> good plan
[18:49] <jrwren> someone let me know if rick_h_ responds. I have him on /ignore :p
[18:50] <rick_h_> jrwren: is the best guy on the team, shame he /ignores me !
[18:50] <jrwren> rick_h_: i keep a connection to *other* irc networks for just venting. I drove everyone away.
[18:50] <rick_h_> lol
[18:54] <brousch> I thought CHC was for venting
[18:55] <rick_h_> yea, I've missed the last few weeks with travel
[18:55] <rick_h_> guess we know what tomorrow will bring :P
[18:55] <jrwren> ... unless i crash :p
[20:59] <cmaloney> brousch: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/pi-top-a-raspberry-pi-laptop-you-build-yourself
[20:59] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/LcByDg - Pi-Top, a Raspberry Pi laptop you build yourself! | Indiegogo
[21:01] <brousch> cmaloney: I'm not convinced the rpi is useful for general computing
[21:02] <brousch> ah, but I have to run. bbl
[21:02] <cmaloney> Laterness
[21:47] <cmaloney> Wow, apparently my linode instance had a hardware fault.
[21:57] <rick_h_> boom
[21:59] <cmaloney> They took care of it before I could figure out what was going on. :)
[22:02] <rick_h_> nice
[22:57] <mrgoodcat> brousch: i've done general comp with my pi no problem
[22:57] <mrgoodcat> model B
[22:57] <mrgoodcat> just basic web browsing and media
[22:58] <mrgoodcat> I ran arch and i3-wm on it
[22:58] <mrgoodcat> with everything running it only had like 20 processes in htop
[23:02] <brousch> It's quite slow on Raspbian
[23:05] <mrgoodcat> i never really bothered much with raspbian
[23:07] <mrgoodcat> i'm surprised its slow though
[23:07] <mrgoodcat> have you tried a lighter weight window manager
[23:07] <mrgoodcat> ?
[23:10] <mrgoodcat> i'd try slim login manager and openbox or something like that. might free up some resources for you
[23:25] <brousch> Lighter than lxde?
[23:25] <mrgoodcat> oh yea
[23:25] <brousch> It's the browser itself that is slow
[23:25] <mrgoodcat> lxde is pretty light as far as traditional window managers go but there are definitely lighter options
[23:26] <mrgoodcat> ever try links browser?
[23:27] <rick_h_> links2
[23:27] <rick_h_> or w3m is what I tend to use for html mail from mutt
[23:27] <mrgoodcat> w3m is just the renderer for mutt right?
[23:28] <rick_h_> no, it's a browser
[23:30] <mrgoodcat> how do you scroll emails in mutt?
[23:30] <mrgoodcat> i've been using alpine
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[23:34] <mrgoodcat> wow thats quite the help page
[23:34] <mrgoodcat> alpine is quite a bit simpler but it seems like mutt has a lot more commands
[23:45] <rick_h_> :)
[23:48] <mrgoodcat> yea mutt seems ok