[03:15] Riddell: Accepted. [06:28] good morning :) [06:28] btw Riddell, please subscribe to kde-soc-mentor list [06:28] hi soee [06:29] hi valorie, nice speak yesterday :) [06:29] thanks! [06:30] not what I expected though [06:30] but I didn't waste my research; I blogged it [06:30] :) [06:38] Good morning. [06:40] hiho lordievader [06:41] Hey soee, how are you doing? [06:42] lordievader: cant complain today :) you ? [06:42] Doing okay, I guess. [06:42] :) [08:10] ** all new images to test ↑ [08:10] !testers | 14.10 release candidates [08:10] 14.10 release candidates: Help is needed in #kubuntu-devel. Please ping Riddell, yofel, soee, Tm_T, shadeslayer, BluesKaj, James147, Quintasan, lordievader, shrini, tester56, parad1se, mamarley, alket, SourBlue for information [08:17] "Your membership in ubuntu-irc-members is about to expire" Tm_T do I want to be part of that? [08:21] Riddell: yes, as that's the group that votes IRCC for example [08:21] hmmm, am I a member of that? [08:22] oh, gotta be, I'm on the irc list [08:25] will try install Utopic-plasma5 to new donation laptop I got last week [08:28] nice! [08:28] Tm_T: Plasma5 works fine on both my laptop and work machine :) [08:29] although that's not exactly the testing Riddell is asking for..... [08:29] whats more on my work machine it works much better than defualt oine [08:29] that one is going to my soon 6-year old daughter, let's see how she likes it [08:29] ooo, that's nice to hear! [08:30] p5 runs on the little old atom netbook I have [08:30] although it is slower than a snail [08:30] but it's slow by nature [08:30] not plasma's fault [08:33] I hope to be able to test a few ISO's this afternoon. [08:36] valorie: this one is quite recent Acer Aspire One, I upgraded it to 2 GiB of ram [08:38] very cool [08:38] I'll trade for the netbook, all loaded! [08:38] even has a case...... [08:38] and stickers@! [08:38] little, cute [08:38] just slow [10:17] yay, upgrade worked for me [10:24] hmmmmm, maybe I should upgrade my work laptop too [10:42] ** proofreaders needed, how's this? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UtopicUpgrades/Kubuntu [10:44] Riddell: 8) Time for a coffee, tt will download and install 14.10. - what is tt ? [10:52] Riddell, Should I register myself for SoK for the test.kubuntu.co.uk project? [11:02] ovidiu-florin, ping [11:15] Riddell: http://paste.kde.org/p9gdjubqe/jxvzgb/raw [11:15] soee: fixed thanks [11:15] Riddell: you most certainly want to try it out in a sid pbuilder [11:28] bukai: sure go ahead [11:30] hi guys! please help me! [11:30] my plasmashell crashed and i can't restart it anymore [11:31] how can i kill complete x-session? [11:33] please help me! [11:35] nobody there? [11:36] Antisound: after reboot plasmashell does not start ? [11:37] soee: no! [11:37] that's the problem ;-) [11:37] what do you have after reboot ? [11:37] the old "session" [11:37] with the last open programs [11:37] etc. [11:38] do you have access to krunner or temrinal ? [11:38] terminal [11:38] shadeslayer: may have some info http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/110177/bash-adds-extra-single-quotes [11:38] via ctrl alt f1 [11:39] and if you execute: plasmashell ? [11:39] could not connect to display [11:39] lets see [11:40] soee: exactly qxcbconnection: could not connect to display [11:40] Riddell: http://paste.kde.org/pvocenhp1 [11:40] Riddell: didn't work [11:40] lb config: unrecognized option '--option' [11:40] oh i have no idea what qxcbconnection is :) [11:40] me neither [11:41] Riddell: because in the end it gets evaluated to : -m http://127.0.0.1:3142/debian --apt-secure false --apt-options=--yes --option Dpkg::Options::=--force-overwrite --source false "${@}" [11:41] soee: isn't there a command to kill "everything" [11:41] to reset everything? [11:41] Riddell: without the quotes [11:41] Antisound: probably, but im not sure what it is [11:42] what is the window manager in plasma 5? kwin_x11? [11:42] Riddell: do you have any clue? [11:42] kwin_x11 is the window manager [11:43] why can't i kill it so everything is reset? [11:43] you need to export DISPLAY=:1 [11:43] however I recommend this as a great time to test the candidate ISOs [11:44] Riddell: you mean't me? [11:44] meant [11:44] yes [11:44] nothing happens with export [11:46] i can't believe there's no command to kill the whole system [11:46] to set it back to zero again [11:47] to i really have to reinstall everything? [11:50] do i have to? [11:50] are you serious? [11:50] Antisound: maybe there is something wrong with some configuration [11:50] soee: plasmashell crashed while working and it doesn't restart anymore,... what configuration could be wrong? [11:52] Antisound: in your home folder try to rename .kde to .kde_bak and .config to .config_bak, empty .cache and /var/tmp/ {your user kde cache} than try to reboot [11:52] ok [11:52] i try [11:53] ttyl [12:06] shadeslayer: happy diwali [12:13] morning [12:13] sgclark: morning [12:14] sgclark: are you a developer? [12:14] in training [12:15] sgclark: nonsense, you're a developer [12:15] Riddell: hello [12:15] :) [12:15] you never get to know it all, we're all in training [12:15] hi kikidee, want to be an elite kubuntu ninja? [12:16] Riddell: I am already :) I am using another nick to stay anonymous for some reason :) [12:17] Riddell: I wasn't sure you would be available now [12:17] so is the release testing still on? [12:17] yep, testers needed [12:17] Riddell: were you able to read my notes on khelpcenter path issue [12:18] Can i discuss a bug with you now? [12:18] oh testing, that sounds like my cup of tea today [12:18] what , where? Riddell [12:19] http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/325/builds [12:19] ty [12:19] There is a bug in the kubuntu installer that blocks the main install process [12:19] 4 images need testing in various different ways plus upgrades from 14.04 [12:20] kikidee: this sounds bad, what happens? [12:20] ok [12:20] I had discussed this with yofel longtime ago,m probably 2 releases back [12:21] the proprietary driver-installer when trying to install the nvidia driver block the main process. In a country where the internet speed is arount 512 kbps this download takes 53 mins approximately [12:22] * sgclark grumbles at nvidia [12:22] until then the install process waits with a hour glass without proceeding to the partitioning screen [12:24] yofel was looking at the python script way back I dont know happened as I was not in touch with the devs [12:24] entirely likey that nothing happened [12:25] :) [12:26] as far as I see this is not an issue when the internet connection is good, by saying good I mean > 10 mbps [12:26] Hiyas all [12:26] BluesKaj: hi [12:26] BluesKaj: how are you [12:27] hiho BluesKaj [12:27] hi kikidee, fine thanks, and you? [12:27] Hey soee [12:28] BluesKaj: I am fine too, I am in stealth mode :), I am a person you know already [12:28] BluesKaj: you are on konversation right ? [12:28] yup [12:28] what icon on taskbar does it have for you (on plasma5) ? [12:29] kikidee: yep sounds like something that should get looked at but alas I won't have the time soon and it's fiddly especially since I don't have nvidia [12:30] Riddell: ok, not an issue, but can you takecare of this later when you have time ? [12:31] bukai: pong [12:32] Riddell: I mean ask someone to fix this later? [12:32] ovidiu-florin: Can you please send me some linksfrom where i can get somee idea on drupal themes [12:33] why drupal themes? [12:33] kikidee: can you make a bug report? so we remember to look at it [12:33] drupal ? [12:33] sgclark: no [12:35] sgclark: I need to first confirm if this a policy and get to know something before filing a bug report [12:36] bukai: if you must: https://www.drupal.org/documentation/theme [12:38] soee, it has the recognizable konversation icon, but make sure it;s always visiable in the system tray settings , it tends to change settings for no reason to auto which doesn't always work [12:56] kikidee: do you know if there is a bug report? [12:57] Riddell: dont know, I will check now [12:58] Mirv: any thoughts on when Qt 5.4 will get into the archive? release is expected end of this month and I'm wondering if Plasma 5.3 to be released at the end of the year should be allowed to use it [12:59] mitya57: ↑ [13:02] Riddell: there are quite a few complexities. the good thing (from your point of view) is that I'm hearing the rtm derivative will be around for a couple of months still. at minimum that should mean that I can upload at least my 5.3.2 work to vivid quite soon. [13:02] Mirv: rtm? [13:02] Riddell: touch image [13:02] Riddell: for 5.4.0, I know that from touch point of view (which is kind of rolling LTS instead of development version...) .1 or .2 would be better choices to upload to archives, but on the other hand if 5.4.0 would be as good as 5.3.0 was (although 5.3 was stability oriented too), then it would not pose too big problems hopefully [13:03] Riddell: http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-rtm the derivative distro used to build images in addition to ubuntu [13:05] it'd also be nice to see what kind of packaging changes Debian does with 5.4.0, if they package it to experimental now that they're frozen for 5.3.2 for the release [13:06] Riddell: it would be very very nice if it could be considered what kind of implications would having Qt 5.3.2 initially for Plasma 5.3 have. because I know there are conflicting schedules, as usual. [13:07] shadeslayer: apachelogger: Plasma 5.2 meeting in #plasma [13:07] and to speak truth, at this point I simply don't know completely what I will be allowed to do or not and in which time frames. I'll start preparing 5.4.0 in a PPA as soon as it's available though, and since 5.3.2 starts to be ~ready I'll look at 5.4.0 beta too [13:07] * soee is going to spy the meeting in #plasma [13:08] Riddell: seached ubiquity-kde and ubiquity in bug reports, can't find any report relevant to the problem I stated [13:08] kikidee: thanks, please report one then [13:08] thanks Mirv [13:12] irc meetings are much confusing [13:16] * sgclark is lurking in plasma meeting [15:20] how's this for release image? http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/kubuntu-14.10-launch.png [15:25] why no iso tests? [15:25] lordievader: high five for being a lonely iso tester [15:25] * Riddell nudges more to test http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/325/builds [15:26] Riddell: Sad news though. On my kvm the iso's cannot shutdown they hang. And the first install I did doesn't seem to boot properly... :( [15:26] waa [15:27] I hope it is my kvm/kvm-settings... [15:29] I am testing, slowly [15:32] sgclark: can you mark tests as running so we don't duplicate too much [15:32] not that duplication is a bad thing necessarily [15:32] sorry yes [15:36] Ah selecting a different video device seems to have fixed the boot problem. Phew, it was my kvm :) [15:44] auto-resize does not seem to exist, are there some requirements that must be met for this to show up? [15:45] sgclark: Yes. Your disk needs to be large enough. I forgot how large. [15:47] anyone tried the installer of the current daily with kvm? I get ubi-console-setup error 141 when using german language in the installer, going from timezone to keyboard (german keyboard). If I ignore it the error, the installer crashes during the installation step. [15:48] HmpfCBR: And to answer, I've installed it in kvm and did not face that error. It installed fine. [15:48] lordievader: which language did you use in the installer (not keyboard language) [15:48] English [15:49] trying that currently, and it seems to work for me as well. but with german language it did not. will try to reproduce one more time. [15:51] HmpfCBR: Please report your findings on http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com [15:53] Riddell: this looks weird http://launchpadlibrarian.net/186984283/casper_1.344_1.345.diff.gz [15:53] Riddell: why not put it in XDG_DATA_DIRS or something similar [15:53] to override the plasma one [16:00] HmpfCBR: ug really? nasty [16:00] HmpfCBR: please report on http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/325/builds [16:01] ** proofreaders please read over this http://www.kubuntu.org/content/download-kubuntu-0 [16:02] why is 32bit recommended? [16:02] good question [16:03] it used to be because 32bit worked on all PCs while 64 didn't so default to what works everywhere [16:03] but with uefi that's no longer the case [16:03] otherwise looks good [16:03] ubuntu switched over a couple of releases ago [16:03] but we didn't for reasons I forget [16:04] also if anyone can work out how to make that page work if you don't have javascript that would be good [16:09] sgclark: alternate wording suggestions welcomed [16:09] but there's no easy way for a non-techy user to know what their computer is === toscalix is now known as toscalix_away [16:15] Riddell: 14.10 LTS? [16:15] Riddell: I guess I am confused. We did not switch to uefi? so then it is still an issue? if so we have to leave 32bit as recommended I guess... [16:16] ahh yes you have 14.10 as LTS [16:16] me thinks that is wrong [16:19] It was on the mailing list a couple of months back. [16:20] the MD5 sums go over the edge [16:21] on 14.10 Plasma 5 the download buttons are all labeled 14.04 [16:22] and it is written "Install from Kubuntu 14.10 with Plasma 4" instead of … Plasma 5 [16:22] actually that is right, the directions are to upgrade [16:22] Blizzz: 14.10 lts fixed thanks (check I got them all please) [16:22] in the following regular text as well [16:23] Riddell: 14.10 /w Plasma 5 still looks odd too me, though refreshed via Ctrl+R [16:24] Riddell: Kubuntu 14.10 Plasma 5 download says 14.04 [16:27] Blizzz, sgclark: updated, please check I got them all [16:27] Riddell: you can use