[03:15] <ScottK> Riddell: Accepted.
[06:28] <soee> good morning :)
[06:28] <valorie> btw Riddell, please subscribe to kde-soc-mentor list
[06:28] <valorie> hi soee
[06:29] <soee> hi valorie, nice speak yesterday :)
[06:29] <valorie> thanks!
[06:30] <valorie> not what I expected though
[06:30] <valorie> but I didn't waste my research; I blogged it
[06:30] <soee> :)
[06:38] <lordievader> Good morning.
[06:40] <soee> hiho lordievader
[06:41] <lordievader> Hey soee, how are you doing?
[06:42] <soee> lordievader: cant complain today :) you ?
[06:42] <lordievader> Doing okay, I guess.
[06:42] <soee> :)
[08:10] <Riddell> ** all new images to test ↑
[08:10] <Riddell> !testers | 14.10 release candidates
[08:17] <Riddell> "Your membership in ubuntu-irc-members is about to expire" Tm_T do I want to be part of that?
[08:21] <Tm_T> Riddell: yes, as that's the group that votes IRCC for example
[08:21] <valorie> hmmm, am I a member of that?
[08:22] <valorie> oh, gotta be, I'm on the irc list
[08:25] <Tm_T> will try install Utopic-plasma5 to new donation laptop I got last week
[08:28] <valorie> nice!
[08:28] <soee> Tm_T: Plasma5 works fine on both my laptop and work machine :)
[08:29] <valorie> although that's not exactly the testing Riddell is asking for.....
[08:29] <soee> whats more on my work machine it works much better than defualt oine
[08:29] <Tm_T> that one is going to my soon 6-year old daughter, let's see how she likes it
[08:29] <valorie> ooo, that's nice to hear!
[08:30] <valorie> p5 runs on the little old atom netbook I have
[08:30] <valorie> although it is slower than a snail
[08:30] <valorie> but it's slow by nature
[08:30] <valorie> not plasma's fault
[08:33] <lordievader> I hope to be able to test a few ISO's this afternoon.
[08:36] <Tm_T> valorie: this one is quite recent Acer Aspire One, I upgraded it to 2 GiB of ram
[08:38] <valorie> very cool
[08:38] <valorie> I'll trade for the netbook, all loaded!
[08:38] <valorie> even has a case......
[08:38] <valorie> and stickers@!
[08:38] <valorie> little, cute
[08:38] <valorie> just slow
[10:17] <Riddell> yay, upgrade worked for me
[10:24] <Tm_T> hmmmmm, maybe I should upgrade my work laptop too
[10:42] <Riddell> ** proofreaders needed, how's this? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UtopicUpgrades/Kubuntu
[10:44] <soee> Riddell: 8) Time for a coffee, tt will download and install 14.10.  - what is tt ?
[10:52] <bukai> Riddell, Should I register myself for SoK for the test.kubuntu.co.uk project?
[11:02] <bukai> ovidiu-florin, ping
[11:15] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://paste.kde.org/p9gdjubqe/jxvzgb/raw
[11:15] <Riddell> soee: fixed thanks
[11:15] <shadeslayer> Riddell: you most certainly want to try it out in a sid pbuilder
[11:28] <Riddell> bukai: sure go ahead
[11:30] <Antisound> hi guys! please help me! 
[11:30] <Antisound> my plasmashell crashed and i can't restart it anymore
[11:31] <Antisound> how can i kill complete x-session?
[11:33] <Antisound> please help me!
[11:35] <Antisound> nobody there?
[11:36] <soee> Antisound: after reboot plasmashell does not start ?
[11:37] <Antisound> soee: no!
[11:37] <Antisound> that's the problem ;-)
[11:37] <soee> what do you have after reboot ?
[11:37] <Antisound> the old "session"
[11:37] <Antisound> with the last open programs
[11:37] <Antisound> etc.
[11:38] <soee> do you have access to krunner or temrinal ?
[11:38] <Antisound> terminal
[11:38] <Riddell> shadeslayer: may have some info http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/110177/bash-adds-extra-single-quotes
[11:38] <Antisound> via ctrl alt f1
[11:39] <soee> and if you execute: plasmashell ?
[11:39] <Antisound> could not connect to display
[11:39] <shadeslayer> lets see
[11:40] <Antisound> soee: exactly qxcbconnection: could not connect to display
[11:40] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://paste.kde.org/pvocenhp1
[11:40] <shadeslayer> Riddell: didn't work
[11:40] <shadeslayer> lb config: unrecognized option '--option'
[11:40] <soee> oh i have no idea what qxcbconnection is :)
[11:40] <Antisound> me neither
[11:41] <shadeslayer> Riddell: because in the end it gets evaluated to : -m http://127.0.0.1:3142/debian --apt-secure false --apt-options=--yes --option Dpkg::Options::=--force-overwrite --source false "${@}"
[11:41] <Antisound> soee: isn't there a command to kill "everything"
[11:41] <Antisound> to reset everything?
[11:41] <shadeslayer> Riddell: without the quotes
[11:41] <soee> Antisound: probably, but im not sure what it is
[11:42] <Antisound> what is the window manager in plasma 5? kwin_x11?
[11:42] <Antisound> Riddell: do you have any clue?
[11:42] <Riddell> kwin_x11 is the window manager
[11:43] <Antisound> why can't i kill it so everything is reset? 
[11:43] <Riddell> you need to export DISPLAY=:1
[11:43] <Riddell> however I recommend this as a great time to test the candidate ISOs
[11:44] <Antisound> Riddell: you mean't me?
[11:44] <Antisound> meant
[11:44] <Riddell> yes
[11:44] <Antisound> nothing happens with export
[11:46] <Antisound> i can't believe there's no command to kill the whole system
[11:46] <Antisound> to set it back to zero again
[11:47] <Antisound> to i really have to reinstall everything?
[11:50] <Antisound> do i have to?
[11:50] <Antisound> are you serious?
[11:50] <soee> Antisound: maybe there is something wrong with some configuration
[11:50] <Antisound> soee: plasmashell crashed while working and it doesn't restart anymore,... what configuration could be wrong?
[11:52] <soee> Antisound: in your home folder try to rename .kde to .kde_bak and .config to .config_bak, empty .cache and /var/tmp/ {your user kde cache} than try to reboot
[11:52] <Antisound> ok
[11:52] <Antisound> i try
[11:53] <Antisound> ttyl
[12:06] <kikidee> shadeslayer: happy diwali 
[12:13] <sgclark> morning
[12:13] <kikidee> sgclark: morning
[12:14] <kikidee> sgclark: are you a developer?
[12:14] <sgclark> in training
[12:15] <Riddell> sgclark: nonsense, you're a developer
[12:15] <kikidee> Riddell: hello 
[12:15] <sgclark> :)
[12:15] <Riddell> you never get to know it all, we're all in training
[12:15] <Riddell> hi kikidee, want to be an elite kubuntu ninja?
[12:16] <kikidee> Riddell: I am already :) I am using another nick to stay anonymous for some reason :)
[12:17] <kikidee> Riddell: I wasn't sure you would be available now
[12:17] <kikidee> so is the release testing still on?
[12:17] <Riddell> yep, testers needed
[12:17] <sgclark> Riddell: were you able to read my notes on khelpcenter path issue
[12:18] <kikidee> Can i discuss a bug with you now?
[12:18] <sgclark> oh testing, that sounds like my cup of tea today
[12:18] <sgclark> what , where? Riddell
[12:19] <Riddell> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/325/builds
[12:19] <sgclark> ty
[12:19] <kikidee> There is a bug in the kubuntu installer that blocks the main install process
[12:19] <Riddell> 4 images need testing in various different ways plus upgrades from 14.04
[12:20] <Riddell> kikidee: this sounds bad, what happens?
[12:20] <sgclark> ok
[12:20] <kikidee> I had discussed this with yofel longtime ago,m probably 2 releases back
[12:21] <kikidee> the proprietary driver-installer when trying to install the nvidia driver block the main process. In a country where the internet speed is arount 512 kbps this download takes 53 mins approximately
[12:22]  * sgclark grumbles at nvidia
[12:22] <kikidee> until then the install process waits with a hour glass without proceeding to the partitioning screen
[12:24] <kikidee> yofel was looking at the python script way back I dont know happened as I was not in touch with the devs 
[12:24] <Riddell> entirely likey that nothing happened
[12:25] <kikidee> :)
[12:26] <kikidee> as far as I see this is not an issue when the internet connection is good, by saying good I mean > 10 mbps
[12:26] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:26] <kikidee> BluesKaj: hi
[12:26] <kikidee> BluesKaj: how are you
[12:27] <soee> hiho BluesKaj
[12:27] <BluesKaj> hi kikidee, fine thanks, and you?
[12:27] <BluesKaj> Hey soee
[12:28] <kikidee> BluesKaj: I am fine too, I am in stealth mode :), I am a person you know already 
[12:28] <soee> BluesKaj: you are on konversation right ?
[12:28] <BluesKaj> yup
[12:28] <soee> what icon on taskbar does it have for you (on plasma5) ?
[12:29] <Riddell> kikidee: yep sounds like something that should get looked at but alas I won't have the time soon and it's fiddly especially since I don't have nvidia
[12:30] <kikidee> Riddell: ok, not an issue, but can you takecare of this later when you have time ?
[12:31] <ovidiu-florin> bukai: pong
[12:32] <kikidee> Riddell: I mean ask someone to fix this later?
[12:32] <bukai> ovidiu-florin:  Can you please send me some linksfrom where i can get somee idea on drupal themes
[12:33] <ovidiu-florin> why drupal themes?
[12:33] <sgclark> kikidee: can you make a bug report? so we remember to look at it
[12:33] <soee> drupal ?
[12:33] <kikidee> sgclark: no
[12:35] <kikidee> sgclark: I need to first confirm if this a policy and get to know something before filing a bug report
[12:36] <ovidiu-florin> bukai: if you must: https://www.drupal.org/documentation/theme
[12:38] <BluesKaj> soee, it has the recognizable konversation icon, but make sure it;s always visiable in the system tray settings , it tends to change settings for no reason to auto which doesn't always work
[12:56] <Riddell> kikidee: do you know if there is a bug report?
[12:57] <kikidee> Riddell: dont know, I will check now
[12:58] <Riddell> Mirv: any thoughts on when Qt 5.4 will get into the archive? release is expected end of this month and I'm wondering if Plasma 5.3 to be released at the end of the year should be allowed to use it
[12:59] <Riddell> mitya57: ↑
[13:02] <Mirv> Riddell: there are quite a few complexities. the good thing (from your point of view) is that I'm hearing the rtm derivative will be around for a couple of months still. at minimum that should mean that I can upload at least my 5.3.2 work to vivid quite soon.
[13:02] <Riddell> Mirv: rtm?
[13:02] <apachelogger> Riddell: touch image
[13:02] <Mirv> Riddell: for 5.4.0, I know that from touch point of view (which is kind of rolling LTS instead of development version...) .1 or .2 would be better choices to upload to archives, but on the other hand if 5.4.0 would be as good as 5.3.0 was (although 5.3 was stability oriented too), then it would not pose too big problems hopefully
[13:03] <Mirv> Riddell: http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-rtm the derivative distro used to build images in addition to ubuntu
[13:05] <Mirv> it'd also be nice to see what kind of packaging changes Debian does with 5.4.0, if they package it to experimental now that they're frozen for 5.3.2 for the release
[13:06] <Mirv> Riddell: it would be very very nice if it could be considered what kind of implications would having Qt 5.3.2 initially for Plasma 5.3 have. because I know there are conflicting schedules, as usual.
[13:07] <Riddell> shadeslayer: apachelogger: Plasma 5.2 meeting  in #plasma
[13:07] <Mirv> and to speak truth, at this point I simply don't know completely what I will be allowed to do or not and in which time frames. I'll start preparing 5.4.0 in a PPA as soon as it's available though, and since 5.3.2 starts to be ~ready I'll look at 5.4.0 beta too
[13:07]  * soee is going to spy the meeting in #plasma
[13:08] <kikidee> Riddell:  seached ubiquity-kde and ubiquity in bug reports, can't find any report relevant to the problem I stated
[13:08] <Riddell> kikidee: thanks, please report one then
[13:08] <Riddell> thanks Mirv 
[13:12] <apachelogger> irc meetings are much confusing
[13:16]  * sgclark is lurking in plasma meeting
[15:20] <Riddell> how's this for release image? http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/kubuntu-14.10-launch.png
[15:25] <Riddell> why no iso tests?
[15:25] <Riddell> lordievader: high five for being a lonely iso tester
[15:25]  * Riddell nudges more to test http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/325/builds
[15:26] <lordievader> Riddell: Sad news though. On my kvm the iso's cannot shutdown they hang. And the first install I did doesn't seem to boot properly... :(
[15:26] <Riddell> waa
[15:27] <lordievader> I hope it is my kvm/kvm-settings...
[15:29] <sgclark> I am testing, slowly
[15:32] <Riddell> sgclark: can you mark tests as running so we don't duplicate too much
[15:32] <Riddell> not that duplication is a bad thing necessarily
[15:32] <sgclark> sorry yes
[15:36] <lordievader> Ah selecting a different video device seems to have fixed the boot problem. Phew, it was my kvm :)
[15:44] <sgclark> auto-resize does not seem to exist, are there some requirements that must be met for this to show up?
[15:45] <lordievader> sgclark: Yes. Your disk needs to be large enough. I forgot how large.
[15:47] <HmpfCBR> anyone tried the installer of the current daily with kvm? I get ubi-console-setup error 141 when using german language in the installer, going from timezone to keyboard (german keyboard). If I ignore it the error, the installer crashes during the installation step.
[15:48] <lordievader> HmpfCBR: And to answer, I've installed it in kvm and did not face that error. It installed fine.
[15:48] <HmpfCBR> lordievader: which language did you use in the installer (not keyboard language)
[15:48] <lordievader> English
[15:49] <HmpfCBR> trying that currently, and it seems to work for me as well. but with german language it did not. will try to reproduce one more time.
[15:51] <lordievader> HmpfCBR: Please report your findings on http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com
[15:53] <shadeslayer> Riddell: this looks weird http://launchpadlibrarian.net/186984283/casper_1.344_1.345.diff.gz
[15:53] <shadeslayer> Riddell: why not put it in XDG_DATA_DIRS or something similar
[15:53] <shadeslayer> to override the plasma one
[16:00] <Riddell> HmpfCBR: ug really? nasty
[16:00] <Riddell> HmpfCBR: please report on http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/325/builds
[16:01] <Riddell> ** proofreaders please read over this http://www.kubuntu.org/content/download-kubuntu-0
[16:02] <sgclark> why is 32bit recommended?
[16:02] <Riddell> good question
[16:03] <Riddell> it used to be because 32bit worked on all PCs while 64 didn't so default to what works everywhere
[16:03] <Riddell> but with uefi that's no longer the case
[16:03] <sgclark> otherwise looks good
[16:03] <Riddell> ubuntu switched over a couple of releases ago
[16:03] <Riddell> but we didn't for reasons I forget
[16:04] <Riddell> also if anyone can work out how to make that page work if you don't have javascript that would be good
[16:09] <Riddell> sgclark: alternate wording suggestions welcomed
[16:09] <Riddell> but there's no easy way for a non-techy user to know what their computer is
[16:15] <Blizzz> Riddell: 14.10 LTS?
[16:15] <sgclark> Riddell: I guess I am confused. We did not switch to uefi? so then it is still an issue? if so we have to leave 32bit as recommended I guess...
[16:16] <sgclark> ahh yes you have 14.10 as LTS
[16:16] <sgclark> me thinks that is wrong
[16:19] <lordievader> It was on the mailing list a couple of months back.
[16:20] <Blizzz> the MD5 sums go over the edge
[16:21] <Blizzz> on 14.10 Plasma 5 the download buttons are all labeled 14.04
[16:22] <Blizzz> and it is written "Install from Kubuntu 14.10 with Plasma 4" instead of … Plasma 5
[16:22] <sgclark> actually that is right, the directions are to upgrade
[16:22] <Riddell> Blizzz: 14.10 lts fixed thanks (check I got them all please)
[16:22] <Blizzz> in the following regular text as well
[16:23] <Blizzz> Riddell: 14.10 /w Plasma 5 still looks odd too me, though refreshed via Ctrl+R
[16:24] <sgclark> Riddell: Kubuntu 14.10 Plasma 5 download says 14.04
[16:27] <Riddell> Blizzz, sgclark: updated, please check I got them all
[16:27] <sgclark> Riddell: you can use <noscript> tags with info, will make for a very long page though. to I guess non js users would be used to that
[16:28] <Blizzz> Riddell: the header say Plasma 4 not Plasma 5 (total wording: Install from Kubuntu 14.10 with Plasma 4)
[16:28] <Riddell> Blizzz: yeah that's right, it's instructions for people who are running Plasma 4 and want to upgrade to Plasma 5, suggestions for better wording welcome
[16:29] <Blizzz> ah
[16:29] <Blizzz> ok, sorry
[16:29] <Blizzz> Riddell: looks good!
[16:30] <sgclark> Riddell: keep capitalization consistant. first 14.04 LTS has older PCs/newer and last one has Older PCs etc
[16:31] <Riddell> sgclark: fixed
[16:32] <Riddell> althogh Older PCs isn't accurate either since you can buy new netbooks with i386
[16:32] <HmpfCBR> Riddell, lordievader, false alarm, used an old iso instead of the current daily. sorry for noise.
[16:33] <Riddell> HmpfCBR: awooga :)
[16:33] <lordievader> HmpfCBR: \o/
[16:33] <Riddell> I thought I'd fixed that bug
[16:33] <Riddell> (at the cost of translations, sigh)
[16:33] <lordievader> HmpfCBR: If you have some time, please test the current iso too :D
[16:34] <HmpfCBR> currently on it. that bug is solved. but Riddell is correct keyboard selection dialog says German instead of "Deutsch" now. one can live with that I think. ;)
[16:34] <sgclark> Riddell: looks good
[16:44] <_Groo_> guys to test next, do i need to add the next ppa, or utopic already has all thje pckages upstream?
[16:49] <Riddell> _Groo_: you either need to install the Plasma 5 image (testers very welcome) or you need to follow the instructions at https://community.kde.org/Plasma/Packages#Kubuntu
[17:10] <Riddell> ** proofreaders please review kubuntu.org/content/kubuntu-1410
[17:12] <sgclark> Riddell: releaess under upgrading
[17:13] <sgclark> Riddell: comma in here: bugfixes but  under Choose Stable..
[17:14] <sgclark> Riddell: comma before but:  We love testers but 
[17:15] <sgclark> otherwise looks good
[17:17] <Riddell> yous americans and your love of Oxford commas :)
[17:17] <sgclark> lol
[17:17] <sgclark> blame my english teacher
[17:17] <_Groo_> k, im doing a dist-upgrade from trusty -> utopic and a kde 4.x -> 5.x via ppa update
[17:17] <_Groo_> lets see howmuch it breaks
[17:17] <_Groo_> hurrah for apt-btrfs-snapshot :)
[17:18] <Riddell> _Groo_: hang on can you follow the upgrade process?
[17:18] <Riddell> _Groo_: this one https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UtopicUpgrades/Kubuntu
[17:19] <Riddell> although that misses out a step
[17:20] <sgclark> Riddell: if you want to avoid a comma, Split this sentencfe, it is much to long. support is offered if there are . offered and if is a good breaking point.
[17:20] <_Groo_> Riddell: unfortunatelly i cant because the link at work is very slow, so im running apt-fast to speed things up
[17:20] <sgclark> s/sentencfe/sentence/
[17:20] <kubotu> sgclark meant: "Riddell: if you want to avoid a comma, Split this sentence, it is much to long. support is offered if there are . offered and if is a good breaking point."
[17:20] <_Groo_> but i tested with manager-update 2 weeks ago and it worked
[17:20] <_Groo_> update-manager
[17:21] <_Groo_> but i tested only kde 4.x to oneiric
[17:21] <Riddell> bukai: did you get anywhere with adding the google stuff to drupal?
[17:22] <bukai> I am getting an hold of the drupal , will be able to put the analytics code to use by tomorrow
[17:22] <Riddell> sgclark: voila
[17:23] <sgclark> bukai: all you need to do is put it in template.php
[17:23] <sgclark> bukai: no need to learn drupal as I am fairly positive we are going to wordpress
[17:23] <bukai> sgclark:  just that will be all?
[17:23] <sgclark> yup
[17:23] <Riddell> right, adding it to the current drupal site is just a quick way to check on traffic
[17:24] <bukai> ok
[17:24]  * sgclark is a retired web designer
[17:25] <sgclark> Riddell: looks good
[17:42] <Riddell> http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/kubuntu-14.10-launch.png  how's this?
[17:43] <lordievader> Riddell: Fancy :)
[17:43] <sgclark> Riddell: one desktop is blurred at bottom but not other? seems awkward
[17:48] <Riddell> no deliberate effect, they're just resized somewhere along the line
[17:54] <soee> Riddell: kdetelepathy 0.9 wont make into 14.10 ?
[17:55] <Riddell> soee: alas no, d_ed was slow and lazy and missed it, but we'll get it into backports
[17:55] <soee> :D
[17:56] <soee> ok so next year i have to get into packaging 
[17:57] <_Groo_> k, i just upgraded from trusty to oneiric
[17:57] <_Groo_> and from kde 4,.x to 5.x in ppa net
[17:57] <_Groo_> next
[17:57] <soee> oneiric :o
[17:57] <_Groo_> aparently im missing the keyboard, icons and there are less options in systemsettings?
[17:57] <_Groo_> utopic utopic
[17:58] <sgclark> Riddell: what time frame on that image? I think I can improve it.
[17:59] <soee> _Groo_: i can tell you teh same i did to other that had problems with Plasma5 after upgrade, best is to "reset" kde settings and condigurations also ampty cache
[18:00] <Riddell> sgclark: the kubuntu-14.10-launch.png ?  needs to be ready when we release tomorrow which will be some unspecified time in the european afternoon/washington DC midday
[18:00] <_Groo_> soee: i removed .kde entirely
[18:00] <Riddell> it's complex because the sysadmins need to copy it over to the web server but we can find somewhere else to host it worse case
[18:00] <sgclark> washington DC? lol
[18:00] <_Groo_> where do i clean the cache?
[18:00] <Riddell> soee: yay, packaging is great, you know you want to
[18:01] <Riddell> sgclark: seems canonical had the great idea of having a conference in DC at the same time as release week
[18:01] <soee> _Groo_: i suggest remove (bckup) .kde, .config, empty .cache and /var/tmp/ {your user kde cache}
[18:01] <sgclark> oh I see
[18:02] <sgclark> <Riddell: well I can work images well, (just not imaginative) I can do that instead of testing if you wish, keeping the same concept but making "prettier"
[18:03] <Riddell> sgclark: sure go ahead
[18:03] <_Groo_> soee: k, let me test
[18:03] <Riddell> I'll get into some testing
[18:03] <sgclark> Riddell: ok great
[18:05] <soee> _Groo_: give me some info if it worked for you after reboot
[18:13] <_Groo_> still missing the icons
[18:13] <_Groo_> its showing the ubuntu ones
[18:14] <_Groo_> although in settings i have breeze set
[18:14] <soee> ubuntu ?
[18:15] <_Groo_> yeah
[18:15] <soee> in whole system or only gtk apps ?
[18:18] <_Groo_> soee: no, for ex, system settings is showing the gnome icons
[18:18] <soee> oO
[18:19] <soee> you are running multiple DE ?
[18:19] <_Groo_> let me create a test user
[18:19] <_Groo_> yeah, unity and plasma5
[18:19] <soee> ah sorry then, im using only teh best one :D
[18:19] <_Groo_> lolol
[18:19] <soee> can t help you with oters :)
[18:20] <_Groo_> how do i resize the plasma notification, like network manager
[18:20] <_Groo_> its too small as it is
[18:21] <soee> i think you cant atm
[18:22] <_Groo_> btw in your system settings, is shortcuts missing an icon?
[18:23] <soee> nope
[18:23] <soee> its some cache issue probably
[18:25]  * Riddell pops open some wine and shares it around for the evening's testing
[18:27] <_Groo_> alcohol and testing, are you learning from apachelogger ? 
[18:32] <Riddell> speaking of which.. where is apachelogger?
[18:32] <_Groo_> prolly plotting... in the dark, laughing... insanely... eating small kittens...
[18:32] <_Groo_> the usual[
[18:32] <apachelogger> Riddell: hiding
[18:33] <_Groo_> soee: interesting... when i apply a new package (breeze, oxygen, whatever), it changes most icons in the system, but NOT systemsettings, thoughts?
[18:33] <Riddell> apachelogger: ah excellent, you can do some testing while you hide away
[18:53] <lordievader> Riddell: When testing the oem installer I stumbled upon a window claiming the installer has crashed. Below seems to be a text field but it is empty.
[18:56] <Riddell> lordievader: wibble
[18:56] <Riddell> lordievader: at what stage of the install?
[18:57] <lordievader> The last stage, after rebooting the oem setup.
[18:57] <Riddell> lordievader: are you able to get a screenshot/
[18:57] <Riddell> ?
[18:59] <Riddell> looks like we have new images :(
[19:00] <lordievader> Riddell: http://lordievader.no-ip.org/files/utopic-oem.png
[19:00] <lordievader> Ain't that great...
[19:03] <Riddell> lordievader: I'm just trying it, I think I know what bug it is, a long standing one
[19:04] <Riddell> new Plasma 5 images coming too, not sure why but I guess it's important
[19:04] <Riddell> owncloud package just removed from the archive too
[19:05] <lordievader> Riddell: Ok. Seems a bit strange though that the text field is empty. As if the exception does not know what it is excepting :P
[19:06] <Riddell> lordievader: that box is ment to show a backtrace, not sure why it didn't get one
[19:06] <Riddell> but oem installer is a strange beast
[19:07] <lordievader> True that ;)
[19:09] <Riddell> lordievader: hah, you seem to have reported this bug before, bug 1154535
[19:09] <lordievader> Is that the same>
[19:09] <lordievader> >=?
[19:10] <Riddell> lordievader: yeah I think so, you need to click the continue button one extra time for no obvious reason when installing
[19:11] <Riddell> else it'll crash
[19:11] <Riddell> see how in your screenshot Continue is still enabled, if you click it once more it becomes disabled and everything works
[19:11] <lordievader> Hmm, I'll try that.
[19:11] <apachelogger> Riddell: not at home I am hiding :)
[19:14] <lordievader> Riddell: Doing that gets it a bit further bit is still fails: http://lordievader.no-ip.org/files/utopic-oem2.png
[19:14] <Riddell> wibble
[19:15] <Riddell> guess oem installer is not happy
[19:15] <lordievader> Could it be the manual partitioning that breaks the oem installer?
[19:16] <Riddell> unlikely
[19:16] <Riddell> can you get it to start a desktop session
[19:16] <Riddell> there will be logs in /var/log/installer I think
[19:17] <lordievader> Desktop session, not sure. But I can get the logs.
[19:17] <Riddell> file a bug with the stuff in /var/log/installer and /var/log/syslog
[19:25] <soee> This images and latest updates are RC ?
[19:26] <Riddell> 20141022.1 images are the candidates for release
[19:26] <Riddell> ** proofreaders needed, added step 4) and 5) https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UtopicUpgrades/Kubuntu
[19:27] <soee> Riddell: if it is RC whan in grub we have Ubuntu and in system settings About system also ubuntu and link to ubuntus page ?
[19:29] <Riddell> soee: grub is known, that caused problems and apachelogger removed it
[19:29] <Riddell> soee: plasma 4 or 5?
[19:29] <soee> Riddell: 5
[19:29] <Riddell> I know plasma 5 doesn't set about-data yet
[19:29] <Riddell> yeah that's known
[19:29] <soee> ah ok
[19:30] <Riddell> report a bug if you think important https://bugs.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/+filebug  tag plasma5
[19:31] <lordievader> Riddell: The path /var/log/installer contains quite a number of files, do you want that I include all of them?
[19:31] <soee> Riddell: the upgrade steps look fine
[19:33] <Riddell> lordievader: please
[19:37] <soee> https://bugs.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/+bug/1384415
[19:38] <soee> BluesKaj: ping
[19:39] <BluesKaj> pong, soee
[19:39] <Riddell> thanks soee 
[19:39] <soee> BluesKaj: can you confirm my bug and add yourself as affected ?
[19:40] <soee> ahi see Riddell already posted comment
[19:40] <BluesKaj> soee, sorry I can't, I reinstalled plasma 4 
[19:40] <soee> :)
[19:40] <soee> BluesKaj: may i know why ?
[19:41] <sgclark> soee: I confirmed it as I had mentioned it once before
[19:41] <soee> sgclark: thank you
[19:42] <BluesKaj> not my cuppa tea, still too many glitches, that's all I'm saying about it
[19:42] <soee> BluesKaj: ok, i undurstand :)
[19:42] <soee> *e
[19:48] <lordievader> Riddell: I think I uploaded everything: bug 1384406
[19:49] <Riddell> thanks lordievader 
[19:51] <bukai> Riddell: should I mail you the modified template.php file?
[19:53] <Riddell> bukai: bonus points if you put it in a bzr branch on launchpad for me to merge in
[19:56] <bukai> Riddell: Kubuntu crashed while I was upgrading it so I am using fedora as of now, and I am having problem with the lauchpad in fedora but still I will try. You need it by tomorrow, rght?
[19:57] <Riddell> bukai: by tonight preferably, so if you have issues with bzr then e-mail or the like is fine
[20:03] <bukai> Riddell: what should i put as the reporting time zone?
[20:04] <Riddell> bukai: I don't know what that means
[20:04] <Riddell> UTC is easiest generally
[20:06] <bukai> Riddell: Where are you from ? 
[20:06] <Riddell> I'm from scotland
[20:06] <Riddell> I live in Catalonia
[20:08] <bukai> Riddell: ok, :)
[20:20] <_Groo_> guys, half my plasma 5 wallpapers are all black
[20:20] <_Groo_> can someone check is the plasma-wallpapers package isnt corrupted?
[20:31] <soee> how many wallpapers you have ?
[20:47] <_Groo_> 4
[20:47] <_Groo_> but i have 8 slots, with 4 black ones
[20:50] <_Groo_> soee: how many do you have?]
[20:52] <soee> _Groo_: few custom, but there is abug in Plasma 5 where 3 are just default thumbs
[20:57] <_Groo_> soee: ahhh then it must be it
[20:57] <_Groo_> okdok then
[21:01] <bukai> Riddell: ping
[21:01] <Riddell> hi bukai 
[21:02] <bukai> Riddell: I have sent you the files,  please check if you got it.
[21:02]  * Riddell looks
[21:06] <Riddell> bukai: hmm will that make it get added to the html ?
[21:07] <sgclark> Riddell: template.php is what is used by the drupal engine to generate pages
[21:07] <bukai> according to google it will
[21:08] <Riddell> sgclark: so this change will include the javascript in all pages in a sensible place? http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-website/kubuntu-website/kubuntu.org/revision/21
[21:10] <sgclark> Riddell: yup looks right
[21:10] <bukai> sgclark: In analytics it was suggested for best result the script should be included in the body tag of the template file, the way i added it ,will it make a big difference?
[21:11] <Riddell> bukai: ok request sent off to canonical sysadmin to update kubuntu.org for that bzr branch
[21:11] <sgclark> I don't think that it would
[21:11] <Riddell> sgclark: hows your artistic skills coming along?
[21:12] <sgclark> bit rusty, will have something by your am though
[21:12] <bukai> Riddell: 
[21:12] <Riddell> plasma4 images working good for me, still waiting for plasma5 images to rebuild
[21:13] <bukai> is kubuntu.org registered in wwebmaster tools?
[21:13] <Riddell> bukai: what does that mean?
[21:14] <bukai> *web master
[21:14] <sgclark> you mean google webmaster?
[21:14] <bukai> yes
[21:15] <Riddell> I don't understand
[21:17] <sgclark> bukai: Riddell: it would have code with a very long id which I don't see. So my guess is no.
[21:18] <sgclark> Riddell: webmaster is another set of tools by google to see statistics etc
[21:18] <Riddell> ah
[21:18] <sgclark> Riddell: you have to sign up for it, I would suggest you doing it with your email so it is always available
[21:18] <Riddell> I'm not too keen on google having details of everyone who views our website as it is
[21:19]  * sgclark thinks you really don't have a choice
[21:19] <Riddell> and I still half expect canonical sysadmin to say no
[21:19] <sgclark> ahh
[21:19] <Riddell> but aye, google already know all about me so get over it :)
[21:19] <sgclark> well I have found it useful. but alas it is entirely up to you
[21:20] <sgclark> analytics should really be fine
[21:20] <bukai> Riddell, that is how you will know how many people clicked on your site which is the most clicked link and other cool stuff!
[21:20] <Riddell> sometimes I visit Harvey Nickols' website just to mess up their idea of who I am :)
[21:20] <sgclark> lol
[21:21]  * sgclark returns to fighting with gimp
[21:22] <Riddell> yay i386 upgrade worked :)
[21:23] <Riddell> well no sign of plasma5, I think I'll go to bed and get up at a sane hour to test that tomorrow
[21:23] <Riddell> but anyone else is welcome to test it before then
[21:24] <Riddell> buenos noches todo!
[21:25] <bukai> Riddell: what should I do next?