| Steven-mobile | when installing ubuntu on ssd, do i just want root / on my ssd and swap and home on my hdd? | 00:01 |
|---|---|---|
| Steven-mobile | lubuntu* | 00:01 |
| phillw | Steven-mobile: how big is your SSD? | 00:02 |
| ianorlin | Steven-mobile: swap will be slow on hdd but won't wear it out | 00:02 |
| Steven-mobile | 120gb but 70GB has win7pro64 | 00:02 |
| phillw | ianorlin: I'll leave Steven-mobile to your tender mercies :) | 00:03 |
| Steven-mobile | 40GB for lubuntu | 00:03 |
| Steven-mobile | lol thanks phillw | 00:03 |
| ianorlin | yeah home on hdd will be good for space | 00:03 |
| ianorlin | how much ram? | 00:03 |
| Steven-mobile | 16gb for now. upgrading soon | 00:03 |
| ianorlin | ok yeah you don't have space on ssd for swap | 00:03 |
| Steven-mobile | how much should I need for swap? | 00:04 |
| ianorlin | is this a laptop? | 00:04 |
| Steven-mobile | no | 00:04 |
| Steven-mobile | desktop | 00:04 |
| ianorlin | 16 GB will let you suspend | 00:04 |
| ianorlin | but that is not as important for desktop | 00:04 |
| ianorlin | yeah / on ssd and swap and home on hdd sound good | 00:05 |
| ianorlin | know that you will probably not swap with lubuntu and 16 GB of ram unless you are running several virtual machines | 00:06 |
| Steven-mobile | ok cool. what's the recommened size for swap? | 00:06 |
| Steven-mobile | Well I'm doing web development and sometimes I use virtualbox | 00:06 |
| * phillw throws up at virtualbox | 00:07 | |
| ianorlin | ok if you use virtaulbox it will store on home | 00:07 |
| ianorlin | there is also virt-manager but if you use that you need to remember the defualt storage location would be the ssd which could get full | 00:07 |
| ianorlin | although the vms will be slower on hard drive | 00:07 |
| Steven-mobile | i can probably just grab abother ssd for that later then | 00:08 |
| phillw | ianorlin: you tell virt-manager where to store. It is grown up VM, just as LVM is grown up partitions :) | 00:09 |
| ianorlin | I said by default phillw I know you can change it and it is pretty easy to | 00:09 |
| ianorlin | I don't want a full / | 00:09 |
| phillw | ianorlin: np, just wanted your OP to know there where options :D | 00:10 |
| Steven-mobile | heh | 00:10 |
| ianorlin | also how big the hdd | 00:11 |
| phillw | Steven-mobile: myself and ianorlin get on very well, do not worry :) | 00:11 |
| Steven-mobile | ahh i see lol | 00:11 |
| Steven-mobile | 1TB | 00:11 |
| ianorlin | If it is like a 1tb or something you can get 16 gb as you probalby won't run out of storage | 00:12 |
| ianorlin | and then if you wanted to suspend like had something open but got busy you could | 00:12 |
| Steven-mobile | I never suspend | 00:12 |
| Steven-mobile | yuck | 00:12 |
| Steven-mobile | ianorlin, would you ever recommend more than 16gb? | 00:15 |
| Steven-mobile | well I guess with the vms | 00:15 |
| Steven-mobile | but aside from that | 00:15 |
| === Steven-mobile is now known as Steven- | ||
| ianorlin | no more than 16 GB is not nessecary | 00:25 |
| Steven- | ianorlin, would my system even use swap aside from using vm? | 00:26 |
| ianorlin | no | 00:29 |
| ianorlin | and I said several vms | 00:30 |
| ianorlin | I have run 4 at 16GB and there was barely any swap used | 00:30 |
| Steven- | ah ok. will never need more than that me thinks | 00:31 |
| ianorlin | but those were vms of other light linux stuff | 00:32 |
| Sachiru | @ianorlin: How did you run the VMs? KVM? | 00:32 |
| ianorlin | kvm yes | 00:33 |
| ianorlin | using virt-manager | 00:33 |
| Sachiru | IIRC Ubuntu has KSM baked in the kernel so if the VMs have a common kernel and base binaries you can achieve massive RAM savings | 00:33 |
| ianorlin | ah yeah windows vms would take more | 00:34 |
| Sachiru | In my case almost all of the VMs I have are running off turnkey linux, thus I can run six 512MB VMs on 512 MB of actual memory, shared. | 00:36 |
| Sachiru | Windows VMs (assuming that they are the same versions and patched with the same patches) benefit from KSM too. I recall reading on the KSM homepage that they managed to get 40 XP VMs to run in 1 GB of RAM | 00:36 |
| ianorlin | Sachiru: I am not sure that is as benefical to a web devloper because they will likely use multiple vms to get different oses and browsers | 00:45 |
| Sachiru | @ianorlin: Well, even if only 20% of the memory in each VM is common to one another, that means that you use 20% less RAM for each VM allocated. | 00:59 |
| Sachiru | Every little bit helps after all. | 00:59 |
| ianorlin | I know | 00:59 |
| Steven- | hey ianorlin, can you check this: https://github.com/StevenWilliamsSCD/win7pro-lubuntu-dual-boot | 01:07 |
| ianorlin | The swap should be formatted as swap not ext4 | 01:09 |
| ianorlin | that might just be you typing it in wrong | 01:09 |
| ianorlin | yeah that looks good | 01:09 |
| Steven- | oops ya | 01:10 |
| Steven- | What about an efi boot partition? | 01:10 |
| Steven- | my mobo has UEFI | 01:11 |
| ianorlin | um grub usually takes care of that but I only have done that on one only use linux on myself so it came in setup mode | 01:12 |
| Steven- | ianorlin, ok cool. Should add any small partitions for like backups or anything? | 01:14 |
| ianorlin | best to use external drive for backup as the whole drive can fail | 01:15 |
| Steven- | ah well that's logical | 01:15 |
| Steven- | lol ianorlin, thanks so much for the help! | 01:16 |
| Steven- | doh, i didn't get an option to boot to windows | 02:07 |
| ianorlin | ah not sure of that haven't dual booted with windows unless on bios machine | 03:09 |
| Steven- | ianorlin, I got it. just needed to reinstall grub | 03:20 |
| holstein | in the future, you might get away with just running "sudo update-grub" depending on what is missing.. | 03:21 |
| Steven- | someone told me that as well. I didn't know what to do so I just grab boot-repair. Now I know | 03:23 |
| Steven- | grub says Ubuntu instead of Lubuntu though. lol | 03:23 |
| holstein | hey.. you got it working.. thats great.. you can just try that next time, becuase its quicker.. it may not have doen the trick | 03:23 |
| holstein | done* | 03:23 |
| holstein | Steven-: lubuntu *is* ubuntu :) | 03:24 |
| ianorlin | chaning it isn't worth it | 03:24 |
| Steven- | lol holstein I know | 03:24 |
| ianorlin | why risk breaking your bootloader | 03:24 |
| holstein | yeah.. id leave it if it said debian, and worked.. but thats just me | 03:24 |
| Steven- | I aint touching it. I finally got this thing running. I'm behind on my work. hah | 03:25 |
| Steven- | now there are two windows options there (I'm assuming one is the recovery) but they both have the same label | 03:28 |
| Steven- | I know which one I should use but I can see where it may confuse someone | 03:28 |
| holstein | Steven-: in that case, i just try one, then the other.. and i'll just mentally note what they do.. but, you can edit the entries if you want | 03:28 |
| holstein | Steven-: well, ideally, windows would provide a boot loader that can boot linux, or provide information to grub or some other boot loader that linux uses.. | 03:29 |
| holstein | its sometimes not the issue of microsoft, but, the OEM.. and how they set the disk up, and how you have to setup for the dual boot | 03:29 |
| Steven- | hmm | 03:29 |
| Qadri | Hello | 15:47 |
| Qadri | ?me confused | 15:48 |
| === taya is now known as Guest2953 | ||
| Guest2953 | i'm trying to download lubuntu over my expired xp. i followed the directions and saved to usb, but when i try to open the file, there is no supporting program. what should i do next? | 16:08 |
| testdr | Guest2953: how did you copy the lubuntu-iso to the usb? Like a file? | 16:16 |
| testdr | Guest2953: did you not use something like this explained here: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/create-a-usb-stick-on-windows | 16:18 |
| Guest2953 | i think so, i clicked the link, it asked to open it or save it. i opened it first and it did nothing, so the next time i hit save. | 16:18 |
| testdr | Guest2953: pls. check the link in line above - you did it the wrong way, that wont work. It is a bootable-cdrom-iso-image | 16:19 |
| holstein | !install | 16:19 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall - Don't want to use a CD? See http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate | 16:19 |
| holstein | ^ that may help as well | 16:19 |
| Guest2953 | ok, thanks. the link above is very different from what i had seen i will try that. | 16:19 |
| holstein | Guest2953: if you want to replace xp, then, you will not click on anything from inside xp.. you boot the installation media, in this case, a USB stick.. either the machine can boot that USB or not.. you will do that from in the bios.. *then*, you install lubuntu from that installation media, replacing xp | 16:20 |
| Guest2953 | thank you. | 16:21 |
| holstein | you should have all data backed up *before* doing this.. your hard drive will be either erased, or, you will be setting up a dual boot, which can be "dangerous", and you should have data backed up to a different location before doing either | 16:21 |
| Guest2953 | good reminder, i will back my info | 16:23 |
| holstein | *all* hard drives fail, so its a good idea to make arrangments for having important data on different physical media at all times regardless of OS | 16:24 |
| SP33D | lo can any one find infos about what i can do when a system is fresh installed via alternate iso and then it boots all looks nice | 16:46 |
| SP33D | it trys to start x i see the curser and can move it for 1-2 sec | 16:46 |
| SP33D | then x restarts | 16:46 |
| SP33D | its a unlimited loop | 16:46 |
| testdr | SP33D: check your hardware with the LUbuntu-Desktop-Live-System (from CD/DVD or USB-Stick) - another way try to check whether there already know issues with your hardware. It could be the installation did fail - but if you know nothing about the grub-boot-menu and the recovery-menu-entry and how to check the log-files about errors, the live-version is the best test. | 16:56 |
| Mmike | Hello! Anyone has a hint on how to prevent suspend when lid closed? I did click 'do nothing' next to 'when lid is closed', I edited /etc/systemd/logind.conf (put HandleLidSwitch=ignore in there), but laptop still suspends when I close the lud. | 19:54 |
| Mmike | s/lud/lid | 19:54 |
| tumbler | hi all ... do you know a programm to set keyboard shortcuts??? | 20:21 |
| krytarik | tumbler: You could try ObKey: https://code.google.com/p/obkey/ | 20:27 |
| testdr | Mmike: check the acpi/apm/power-settings - anyone knows the name of the gui-tool for it? | 20:37 |
| Mmike | testdr, I fixed it :/ | 20:39 |
| Mmike | testdr, changing stuff in /etc/systemd/logind.conf did the trick, but then the HDMI output went black after I closed the lid | 20:40 |
| testdr | Mmike: pls. give some hints how - maybe others reading would be "enlighted" | 20:40 |
| Mmike | I had to click 'manage montor power settings' out in xfce-config-somethng | 20:40 |
| Mmike | and how when I close my lid nothing happens | 20:40 |
| Mmike | which is what I wanted | 20:41 |
| testdr | Mmike: you use 2 screens/montor? | 20:41 |
| Mmike | testdr, well, it's laptop, and It's connected to SonyTV via DVI->HDMI cable | 20:41 |
| Mmike | so I wanted to use only DVI, and not the laptop panel | 20:41 |
| testdr | Mmike: for 2 screens, you always have to do the setup every time - thats cause the usage changes - to make it fixed, there is only the way to edit the x11-configuration or to run a script every time to apply the changes | 20:43 |
| tumbler | krytarik: i have soled by Obkey | 20:43 |
| tumbler | tanks | 20:43 |
| tumbler | thanks | 20:43 |
| Mmike | testdr, actually it's nvidia card in the laptop so nvidia-settings is quite handy there | 20:43 |
| testdr | Mmike: for using external monitor is the same - you disable the built-in and that should not be permanent. | 20:44 |
| Mmike | although it won't ask for root password when saving to /etc/X11, dunno why - on linux mint and kubuntu it does so | 20:44 |
| testdr | Mmike: nvidia-settings is a nice gui | 20:44 |
| Mmike | testdr, for my setup this is permanent | 20:44 |
| Mmike | my laptop is actually mediaPC, it's an old core2duo box | 20:44 |
| testdr | Mmike: you used the nvidia-settings? It has an option to create an x11-config. | 20:45 |
| Mmike | testdr, yup | 20:45 |
| Mmike | that part was 'kind-off' easy, had to manyually add some stuf as my sonytv is an old one | 20:46 |
| testdr | Mmike: and LXDE - the openbox windowmanager has options to set the primary display (would be the dvmi-output for you) | 20:46 |
| Mmike | luckyly, xbmc is neat softwar | 20:46 |
| Mmike | e | 20:46 |
| Mmike | testdr, see, didn't fiddle with openbox settings | 20:47 |
| Mmike | the fonts are very very small on my tv | 20:47 |
| Mmike | although the resolution is 1024x780 | 20:48 |
| Mmike | or something like that | 20:48 |
| Mmike | I guess because of the diagonal size the fonts are extremely tiny | 20:48 |
| testdr | Mmike: maybe you have to disable any screensaver options in light-locker (including no locking) | 20:48 |
| Mmike | testdr, xbmc works for now, and my wife is happy :) | 20:48 |
| Mmike | so for now, I'm happy too :) | 20:48 |
| Mmike | testdr, thnx for all the inputs, though | 20:49 |
| Mmike | I'm going to watch the movie now | 20:49 |
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