[00:01] when installing ubuntu on ssd, do i just want root / on my ssd and swap and home on my hdd? [00:01] lubuntu* [00:02] Steven-mobile: how big is your SSD? [00:02] Steven-mobile: swap will be slow on hdd but won't wear it out [00:02] 120gb but 70GB has win7pro64 [00:03] ianorlin: I'll leave Steven-mobile to your tender mercies :) [00:03] 40GB for lubuntu [00:03] lol thanks phillw [00:03] yeah home on hdd will be good for space [00:03] how much ram? [00:03] 16gb for now. upgrading soon [00:03] ok yeah you don't have space on ssd for swap [00:04] how much should I need for swap? [00:04] is this a laptop? [00:04] no [00:04] desktop [00:04] 16 GB will let you suspend [00:04] but that is not as important for desktop [00:05] yeah / on ssd and swap and home on hdd sound good [00:06] know that you will probably not swap with lubuntu and 16 GB of ram unless you are running several virtual machines [00:06] ok cool. what's the recommened size for swap? [00:06] Well I'm doing web development and sometimes I use virtualbox [00:07] * phillw throws up at virtualbox [00:07] ok if you use virtaulbox it will store on home [00:07] there is also virt-manager but if you use that you need to remember the defualt storage location would be the ssd which could get full [00:07] although the vms will be slower on hard drive [00:08] i can probably just grab abother ssd for that later then [00:09] ianorlin: you tell virt-manager where to store. It is grown up VM, just as LVM is grown up partitions :) [00:09] I said by default phillw I know you can change it and it is pretty easy to [00:09] I don't want a full / [00:10] ianorlin: np, just wanted your OP to know there where options :D [00:10] heh [00:11] also how big the hdd [00:11] Steven-mobile: myself and ianorlin get on very well, do not worry :) [00:11] ahh i see lol [00:11] 1TB [00:12] If it is like a 1tb or something you can get 16 gb as you probalby won't run out of storage [00:12] and then if you wanted to suspend like had something open but got busy you could [00:12] I never suspend [00:12] yuck [00:15] ianorlin, would you ever recommend more than 16gb? [00:15] well I guess with the vms [00:15] but aside from that === Steven-mobile is now known as Steven- [00:25] no more than 16 GB is not nessecary [00:26] ianorlin, would my system even use swap aside from using vm? [00:29] no [00:30] and I said several vms [00:30] I have run 4 at 16GB and there was barely any swap used [00:31] ah ok. will never need more than that me thinks [00:32] but those were vms of other light linux stuff [00:32] @ianorlin: How did you run the VMs? KVM? [00:33] kvm yes [00:33] using virt-manager [00:33] IIRC Ubuntu has KSM baked in the kernel so if the VMs have a common kernel and base binaries you can achieve massive RAM savings [00:34] ah yeah windows vms would take more [00:36] In my case almost all of the VMs I have are running off turnkey linux, thus I can run six 512MB VMs on 512 MB of actual memory, shared. [00:36] Windows VMs (assuming that they are the same versions and patched with the same patches) benefit from KSM too. I recall reading on the KSM homepage that they managed to get 40 XP VMs to run in 1 GB of RAM [00:45] Sachiru: I am not sure that is as benefical to a web devloper because they will likely use multiple vms to get different oses and browsers [00:59] @ianorlin: Well, even if only 20% of the memory in each VM is common to one another, that means that you use 20% less RAM for each VM allocated. [00:59] Every little bit helps after all. [00:59] I know [01:07] hey ianorlin, can you check this: https://github.com/StevenWilliamsSCD/win7pro-lubuntu-dual-boot [01:09] The swap should be formatted as swap not ext4 [01:09] that might just be you typing it in wrong [01:09] yeah that looks good [01:10] oops ya [01:10] What about an efi boot partition? [01:11] my mobo has UEFI [01:12] um grub usually takes care of that but I only have done that on one only use linux on myself so it came in setup mode [01:14] ianorlin, ok cool. Should add any small partitions for like backups or anything? [01:15] best to use external drive for backup as the whole drive can fail [01:15] ah well that's logical [01:16] lol ianorlin, thanks so much for the help! [02:07] doh, i didn't get an option to boot to windows [03:09] ah not sure of that haven't dual booted with windows unless on bios machine [03:20] ianorlin, I got it. just needed to reinstall grub [03:21] in the future, you might get away with just running "sudo update-grub" depending on what is missing.. [03:23] someone told me that as well. I didn't know what to do so I just grab boot-repair. Now I know [03:23] grub says Ubuntu instead of Lubuntu though. lol [03:23] hey.. you got it working.. thats great.. you can just try that next time, becuase its quicker.. it may not have doen the trick [03:23] done* [03:24] Steven-: lubuntu *is* ubuntu :) [03:24] chaning it isn't worth it [03:24] lol holstein I know [03:24] why risk breaking your bootloader [03:24] yeah.. id leave it if it said debian, and worked.. but thats just me [03:25] I aint touching it. I finally got this thing running. I'm behind on my work. hah [03:28] now there are two windows options there (I'm assuming one is the recovery) but they both have the same label [03:28] I know which one I should use but I can see where it may confuse someone [03:28] Steven-: in that case, i just try one, then the other.. and i'll just mentally note what they do.. but, you can edit the entries if you want [03:29] Steven-: well, ideally, windows would provide a boot loader that can boot linux, or provide information to grub or some other boot loader that linux uses.. [03:29] its sometimes not the issue of microsoft, but, the OEM.. and how they set the disk up, and how you have to setup for the dual boot [03:29] hmm [15:47] Hello [15:48] ?me confused === taya is now known as Guest2953 [16:08] i'm trying to download lubuntu over my expired xp. i followed the directions and saved to usb, but when i try to open the file, there is no supporting program. what should i do next? [16:16] Guest2953: how did you copy the lubuntu-iso to the usb? Like a file? [16:18] Guest2953: did you not use something like this explained here: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/create-a-usb-stick-on-windows [16:18] i think so, i clicked the link, it asked to open it or save it. i opened it first and it did nothing, so the next time i hit save. [16:19] Guest2953: pls. check the link in line above - you did it the wrong way, that wont work. It is a bootable-cdrom-iso-image [16:19] !install [16:19] Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall - Don't want to use a CD? See http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate [16:19] ^ that may help as well [16:19] ok, thanks. the link above is very different from what i had seen i will try that. [16:20] Guest2953: if you want to replace xp, then, you will not click on anything from inside xp.. you boot the installation media, in this case, a USB stick.. either the machine can boot that USB or not.. you will do that from in the bios.. *then*, you install lubuntu from that installation media, replacing xp [16:21] thank you. [16:21] you should have all data backed up *before* doing this.. your hard drive will be either erased, or, you will be setting up a dual boot, which can be "dangerous", and you should have data backed up to a different location before doing either [16:23] good reminder, i will back my info [16:24] *all* hard drives fail, so its a good idea to make arrangments for having important data on different physical media at all times regardless of OS [16:46] lo can any one find infos about what i can do when a system is fresh installed via alternate iso and then it boots all looks nice [16:46] it trys to start x i see the curser and can move it for 1-2 sec [16:46] then x restarts [16:46] its a unlimited loop [16:56] SP33D: check your hardware with the LUbuntu-Desktop-Live-System (from CD/DVD or USB-Stick) - another way try to check whether there already know issues with your hardware. It could be the installation did fail - but if you know nothing about the grub-boot-menu and the recovery-menu-entry and how to check the log-files about errors, the live-version is the best test. [19:54] Hello! Anyone has a hint on how to prevent suspend when lid closed? I did click 'do nothing' next to 'when lid is closed', I edited /etc/systemd/logind.conf (put HandleLidSwitch=ignore in there), but laptop still suspends when I close the lud. [19:54] s/lud/lid [20:21] hi all ... do you know a programm to set keyboard shortcuts??? [20:27] tumbler: You could try ObKey: https://code.google.com/p/obkey/ [20:37] Mmike: check the acpi/apm/power-settings - anyone knows the name of the gui-tool for it? [20:39] testdr, I fixed it :/ [20:40] testdr, changing stuff in /etc/systemd/logind.conf did the trick, but then the HDMI output went black after I closed the lid [20:40] Mmike: pls. give some hints how - maybe others reading would be "enlighted" [20:40] I had to click 'manage montor power settings' out in xfce-config-somethng [20:40] and how when I close my lid nothing happens [20:41] which is what I wanted [20:41] Mmike: you use 2 screens/montor? [20:41] testdr, well, it's laptop, and It's connected to SonyTV via DVI->HDMI cable [20:41] so I wanted to use only DVI, and not the laptop panel [20:43] Mmike: for 2 screens, you always have to do the setup every time - thats cause the usage changes - to make it fixed, there is only the way to edit the x11-configuration or to run a script every time to apply the changes [20:43] krytarik: i have soled by Obkey [20:43] tanks [20:43] thanks [20:43] testdr, actually it's nvidia card in the laptop so nvidia-settings is quite handy there [20:44] Mmike: for using external monitor is the same - you disable the built-in and that should not be permanent. [20:44] although it won't ask for root password when saving to /etc/X11, dunno why - on linux mint and kubuntu it does so [20:44] Mmike: nvidia-settings is a nice gui [20:44] testdr, for my setup this is permanent [20:44] my laptop is actually mediaPC, it's an old core2duo box [20:45] Mmike: you used the nvidia-settings? It has an option to create an x11-config. [20:45] testdr, yup [20:46] that part was 'kind-off' easy, had to manyually add some stuf as my sonytv is an old one [20:46] Mmike: and LXDE - the openbox windowmanager has options to set the primary display (would be the dvmi-output for you) [20:46] luckyly, xbmc is neat softwar [20:46] e [20:47] testdr, see, didn't fiddle with openbox settings [20:47] the fonts are very very small on my tv [20:48] although the resolution is 1024x780 [20:48] or something like that [20:48] I guess because of the diagonal size the fonts are extremely tiny [20:48] Mmike: maybe you have to disable any screensaver options in light-locker (including no locking) [20:48] testdr, xbmc works for now, and my wife is happy :) [20:48] so for now, I'm happy too :) [20:49] testdr, thnx for all the inputs, though [20:49] I'm going to watch the movie now