[00:01] <Steven-mobile> when installing ubuntu on ssd, do i just want root / on my ssd and swap and home on my hdd?
[00:01] <Steven-mobile> lubuntu*
[00:02] <phillw> Steven-mobile: how big is your SSD?
[00:02] <ianorlin> Steven-mobile: swap will be slow on hdd but won't wear it out
[00:02] <Steven-mobile> 120gb but 70GB has win7pro64
[00:03] <phillw> ianorlin: I'll leave Steven-mobile to your tender mercies :)
[00:03] <Steven-mobile> 40GB for lubuntu
[00:03] <Steven-mobile> lol thanks phillw
[00:03] <ianorlin> yeah home on hdd will be good for space
[00:03] <ianorlin> how much ram?
[00:03] <Steven-mobile> 16gb for now. upgrading soon
[00:03] <ianorlin> ok yeah you don't have space on ssd for swap
[00:04] <Steven-mobile> how much should I need for swap?
[00:04] <ianorlin> is this a laptop?
[00:04] <Steven-mobile> no
[00:04] <Steven-mobile> desktop
[00:04] <ianorlin> 16 GB will let you suspend
[00:04] <ianorlin> but that is not as important for desktop
[00:05] <ianorlin> yeah / on ssd and swap and home on hdd sound good
[00:06] <ianorlin> know that you will probably not swap with lubuntu and 16 GB of ram unless you are running several virtual machines
[00:06] <Steven-mobile> ok cool. what's the recommened size for swap?
[00:06] <Steven-mobile> Well I'm doing web development and sometimes I use virtualbox
[00:07]  * phillw throws up at virtualbox
[00:07] <ianorlin> ok if you use virtaulbox it will store on home
[00:07] <ianorlin> there is also virt-manager but if you use that you need to remember the defualt storage location would be the ssd which could get full
[00:07] <ianorlin> although the vms will be slower on hard drive
[00:08] <Steven-mobile> i can probably just grab abother ssd for that later then
[00:09] <phillw> ianorlin: you tell virt-manager where to store. It is grown up VM, just as LVM is grown up partitions :)
[00:09] <ianorlin> I said by default phillw I know you can change it and it is pretty easy to
[00:09] <ianorlin> I don't want a full /
[00:10] <phillw> ianorlin: np, just wanted your OP to know there where options :D
[00:10] <Steven-mobile> heh
[00:11] <ianorlin> also how big the hdd
[00:11] <phillw> Steven-mobile: myself and ianorlin get on very well, do not worry :)
[00:11] <Steven-mobile> ahh i see lol
[00:11] <Steven-mobile> 1TB
[00:12] <ianorlin> If it is like a 1tb or something you can get 16 gb as you probalby won't run out of storage
[00:12] <ianorlin> and then if you wanted to suspend like had something open but got busy you could
[00:12] <Steven-mobile> I never suspend
[00:12] <Steven-mobile> yuck
[00:15] <Steven-mobile> ianorlin, would you ever recommend more than 16gb?
[00:15] <Steven-mobile> well I guess with the vms
[00:15] <Steven-mobile> but aside from that
[00:25] <ianorlin> no more than 16 GB is not nessecary
[00:26] <Steven-> ianorlin, would my system even use swap aside from using vm?
[00:29] <ianorlin> no
[00:30] <ianorlin> and I said several vms
[00:30] <ianorlin> I have run 4 at 16GB and there was barely any swap used
[00:31] <Steven-> ah ok. will never need more than that me thinks
[00:32] <ianorlin> but those were vms of other light linux stuff
[00:32] <Sachiru> @ianorlin: How did you run the VMs? KVM?
[00:33] <ianorlin> kvm yes
[00:33] <ianorlin> using virt-manager
[00:33] <Sachiru> IIRC Ubuntu has KSM baked in the kernel so if the VMs have a common kernel and base binaries you can achieve massive RAM savings
[00:34] <ianorlin> ah yeah windows vms would take more
[00:36] <Sachiru> In my case almost all of the VMs I have are running off turnkey linux, thus I can run six 512MB VMs on 512 MB of actual memory, shared.
[00:36] <Sachiru> Windows VMs (assuming that they are the same versions and patched with the same patches) benefit from KSM too. I recall reading on the KSM homepage that they managed to get 40 XP VMs to run in 1 GB of RAM
[00:45] <ianorlin> Sachiru: I am not sure that is as benefical to a web devloper because they will likely use multiple vms to get different oses and browsers
[00:59] <Sachiru> @ianorlin: Well, even if only 20% of the memory in each VM is common to one another, that means that you use 20% less RAM for each VM allocated.
[00:59] <Sachiru> Every little bit helps after all.
[00:59] <ianorlin> I know
[01:07] <Steven-> hey ianorlin, can you check this: https://github.com/StevenWilliamsSCD/win7pro-lubuntu-dual-boot
[01:09] <ianorlin> The swap should be formatted as swap not ext4
[01:09] <ianorlin> that might just be you typing it in wrong
[01:09] <ianorlin> yeah that looks good
[01:10] <Steven-> oops ya
[01:10] <Steven-> What about an efi boot partition?
[01:11] <Steven-> my mobo has UEFI
[01:12] <ianorlin> um grub usually takes care of that but I only have done that on one only use linux on myself so it came in setup mode
[01:14] <Steven-> ianorlin, ok cool. Should add any small partitions for like backups or anything?
[01:15] <ianorlin> best to use external drive for backup as the whole drive can fail
[01:15] <Steven-> ah well that's logical
[01:16] <Steven-> lol ianorlin, thanks so much for the help!
[02:07] <Steven-> doh, i didn't get an option to boot to windows
[03:09] <ianorlin> ah not sure of that haven't dual booted with windows unless on bios machine
[03:20] <Steven-> ianorlin, I got it. just needed to reinstall grub
[03:21] <holstein> in the future, you might get away with just running "sudo update-grub" depending on what is missing..
[03:23] <Steven-> someone told me that as well. I didn't know what to do so I just grab boot-repair. Now I know
[03:23] <Steven-> grub says Ubuntu instead of Lubuntu though. lol
[03:23] <holstein> hey.. you got it working.. thats great.. you can just try that next time, becuase its quicker.. it may not have doen the trick
[03:23] <holstein> done*
[03:24] <holstein> Steven-: lubuntu *is* ubuntu :)
[03:24] <ianorlin> chaning it isn't worth it
[03:24] <Steven-> lol holstein I know
[03:24] <ianorlin> why risk breaking your bootloader
[03:24] <holstein> yeah.. id leave it if it said debian, and worked.. but thats just me
[03:25] <Steven-> I aint touching it. I finally got this thing running. I'm behind on my work. hah
[03:28] <Steven-> now there are two windows options there (I'm assuming one is the recovery) but they both have the same label
[03:28] <Steven-> I know which one I should use but I can see where it may confuse someone
[03:28] <holstein> Steven-: in that case, i just try one, then the other.. and i'll just mentally note what they do.. but, you can edit the entries if you want
[03:29] <holstein> Steven-: well, ideally, windows would provide a boot loader that can boot linux, or provide information to grub or some other boot loader that linux uses..
[03:29] <holstein> its sometimes not the issue of microsoft, but, the OEM.. and how they set the disk up, and how you have to setup for the dual boot
[03:29] <Steven-> hmm
[15:47] <Qadri> Hello
[15:48] <Qadri> ?me confused
[16:08] <Guest2953> i'm trying to download lubuntu over my expired xp. i followed the directions and saved to usb, but when i try to open the file, there is no supporting program. what should i do next?
[16:16] <testdr> Guest2953: how did you copy the lubuntu-iso to the usb? Like a file?
[16:18] <testdr> Guest2953: did you not use something like this explained here: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/create-a-usb-stick-on-windows
[16:18] <Guest2953> i think so, i clicked the link, it asked to open it or save it. i opened it first and it did nothing, so the next time i hit save.
[16:19] <testdr> Guest2953: pls. check the link in line above - you did it the wrong way, that wont work. It is a bootable-cdrom-iso-image
[16:19] <holstein> !install
[16:19] <holstein> ^ that may help as well
[16:19] <Guest2953> ok, thanks. the link above is very different from what i had seen i will try that.
[16:20] <holstein> Guest2953: if you want to replace xp, then, you will not click on anything from inside xp.. you boot the installation media, in this case, a USB stick.. either the machine can boot that USB or not.. you will do that from in the bios.. *then*, you install lubuntu from that installation media, replacing xp
[16:21] <Guest2953> thank you.
[16:21] <holstein> you should have all data backed up *before* doing this.. your hard drive will be either erased, or, you will be setting up a dual boot, which can be "dangerous", and you should have data backed up to a different location before doing either
[16:23] <Guest2953> good reminder, i will back my info
[16:24] <holstein> *all* hard drives fail, so its a good idea to make arrangments for having important data on different physical media at all times regardless of OS
[16:46] <SP33D> lo can any one find infos about what i can do when a system is fresh installed via alternate iso and then it boots all looks nice
[16:46] <SP33D> it trys to start x i see the curser and can move it for 1-2 sec
[16:46] <SP33D> then x restarts
[16:46] <SP33D> its a unlimited loop
[16:56] <testdr> SP33D: check your hardware with the LUbuntu-Desktop-Live-System (from CD/DVD or USB-Stick) - another way try to check whether there already know issues with your hardware. It could be the installation did fail - but if you know nothing about the grub-boot-menu and the recovery-menu-entry and how to check the log-files about errors, the live-version is the best test.
[19:54] <Mmike> Hello! Anyone has a hint on how to prevent suspend when lid closed? I did click 'do nothing' next to 'when lid is closed', I edited /etc/systemd/logind.conf (put HandleLidSwitch=ignore in there), but laptop still suspends when I close the lud.
[19:54] <Mmike> s/lud/lid
[20:21] <tumbler> hi all ... do you know a programm to set keyboard shortcuts???
[20:27] <krytarik> tumbler: You could try ObKey: https://code.google.com/p/obkey/
[20:37] <testdr> Mmike: check the acpi/apm/power-settings - anyone knows the name of the gui-tool for it?
[20:39] <Mmike> testdr, I fixed it :/
[20:40] <Mmike> testdr, changing stuff in /etc/systemd/logind.conf did the trick, but then the HDMI output went black after I closed the lid
[20:40] <testdr> Mmike: pls. give some hints how - maybe others reading would be "enlighted"
[20:40] <Mmike> I had to click 'manage montor power settings' out in xfce-config-somethng
[20:40] <Mmike> and how when I close my lid nothing happens
[20:41] <Mmike> which is what I wanted
[20:41] <testdr> Mmike: you use 2 screens/montor?
[20:41] <Mmike> testdr, well, it's laptop, and It's connected to SonyTV via DVI->HDMI cable
[20:41] <Mmike> so I wanted to use only DVI, and not the laptop panel
[20:43] <testdr> Mmike: for 2 screens, you always have to do the setup every time - thats cause the usage changes - to make it fixed, there is only the way to edit the x11-configuration or to run a script every time to apply the changes
[20:43] <tumbler> krytarik: i have soled by Obkey
[20:43] <tumbler> tanks
[20:43] <tumbler> thanks
[20:43] <Mmike> testdr, actually it's nvidia card in the laptop so nvidia-settings is quite handy there
[20:44] <testdr> Mmike: for using external monitor is the same - you disable the built-in and that should not be permanent.
[20:44] <Mmike> although it won't ask for root password when saving to /etc/X11, dunno why - on linux mint and kubuntu it does so
[20:44] <testdr> Mmike: nvidia-settings is a nice gui
[20:44] <Mmike> testdr, for my setup this is permanent
[20:44] <Mmike> my laptop is actually mediaPC, it's an old core2duo box
[20:45] <testdr> Mmike: you used the nvidia-settings? It has an option to create an x11-config.
[20:45] <Mmike> testdr, yup
[20:46] <Mmike> that part was 'kind-off' easy, had to manyually add some stuf as my sonytv is an old one
[20:46] <testdr> Mmike: and LXDE - the openbox windowmanager has options to set the primary display (would be the dvmi-output for you)
[20:46] <Mmike> luckyly, xbmc is neat softwar
[20:46] <Mmike> e
[20:47] <Mmike> testdr, see, didn't fiddle with openbox settings
[20:47] <Mmike> the fonts are very very small on my tv
[20:48] <Mmike> although the resolution is 1024x780
[20:48] <Mmike> or something like that
[20:48] <Mmike> I guess because of the diagonal size the fonts are extremely tiny
[20:48] <testdr> Mmike: maybe you have to disable any screensaver options in light-locker (including no locking)
[20:48] <Mmike> testdr, xbmc works for now, and my wife is happy :)
[20:48] <Mmike> so for now, I'm happy too :)
[20:49] <Mmike> testdr, thnx for all the inputs, though
[20:49] <Mmike> I'm going to watch the movie now