[06:16] <bukai> Riddell: Have you checked out the analytics of the site? 
[06:25] <soee> good morning
[06:38] <lordievader> Good morning.
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[07:59] <Riddell> bukai: nope, is it working?
[08:01] <bukai> Riddell: it is working fine
[08:02] <Riddell> yay
[08:03] <bukai> Riddell: what should i do next? btw, we will proceed with drupal or wordpress?
[08:07] <Riddell> bukai: with wordpress
[08:07] <Riddell> find us a good theme :)
[08:08] <Riddell> 41 people looking at kubuntu.org just now
[08:09] <soee> Riddell: what are requirements for such theme ?
[08:09] <Riddell> soee: pretty, works on mobile and desktop, looks kindae blue
[08:09] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin will know more
[08:09] <Riddell> 50% on /  21% on /getkubuntu
[08:11] <Riddell> testers needed for kubuntu plasma 5 images! http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/325/builds
[08:11] <Riddell> !testers
[08:11] <ubottu> Help is needed in #kubuntu-devel. Please ping Riddell, yofel, soee, Tm_T, shadeslayer, BluesKaj, James147, Quintasan, lordievader, shrini, tester56, parad1se, mamarley, alket, SourBlue  for information
[08:11] <soee> Riddell: why not buy one on http://themeforest.net/category/wordpress ?
[08:11] <Riddell> we tend to prefer to use free software
[08:13]  * valorie is upgrading a 386 laptop to 14.10
[08:14] <valorie> faster internet makes it easier
[08:14] <soee> Riddell: as a web developer and designer i can say that you wont find anything nice for free :)
[08:15] <bukai> Riddell: Ok will do it , after that I will get server access?
[08:15] <soee> Riddell: and its nmot an option if i for example buy some template for you to use for kubuntu.org and help customize it?
[08:17] <Riddell> bukai: sure
[08:18] <Riddell> soee: would like licence allow us to put it in bzr on launchpad?
[08:18] <Riddell> valorie: what method are you using for the upgrade? following https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UtopicUpgrades/Kubuntu ?
[08:19] <valorie> well, that won't really work yet, will it?
[08:19] <soee> Riddell: i would have to investigate http://themeforest.net/licenses/terms/regular
[08:19] <valorie> it finds no release
[08:19] <valorie> I used `kubuntu-devel-release-upgrade`
[08:21] <Riddell> valorie: fair enough, I can tell you how to work around it but if you're already upgrading that's fine
[08:22] <valorie> I thought that *was* the workaround
[08:25] <Riddell> that's enough to test the upgrade, but not to test the upgrade notification which has an unfortunate habit of breaking and nobody noticing, to test that you need to faff around with changing your dns to point at another server with the meta-release file
[08:25] <Riddell> it all works for me at least
[08:26] <Riddell> but I never like to trust my own testing
[08:27] <valorie> ah, pity it's already part-way done
[08:27] <valorie> I broke the test laptop and this gift laptop is all that's left
[08:28] <valorie> I guess I could put plasma 5 on the netbook though
[08:29] <bukai> Riddell: Do we have to use a theme? Won't it be better if we take some ideas from www.awwwards.com and implement it ourselves? That will allow us to explore more ideas rather than free word press themes.
[08:29] <valorie> slower than molasses though
[08:30] <Riddell> bukai: sure we can do whatever we want
[08:38] <Riddell> ug, autologin not working on plasma5 images
[08:41] <valorie> so the netbook has 14.10 already, from the beta
[08:41] <valorie> worthwhile to upgrade to plasma 5 as a test?
[08:42] <soee> bukai: you are working on a page now ?
[08:45] <bukai> soee: you mean a page on kubuntu.org or in general?
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[08:47] <soee> on kubuntu.org
[08:47] <Riddell> valorie: yep
[08:48] <Riddell> soee: he's working on a whole new site
[08:48] <soee> bukai: if you need any help feel free to contact me :) as i saif before im a web developer and can give a helping hand
[08:50] <bukai> soee: thank you, I will need help that's for sure :) 
[08:52] <Riddell> meh sddm didn't copy over, I'll rebuilt the plasma 5 images for that
[08:52] <Riddell> kwin also crashes on login :(
[08:52] <Riddell> valorie: instructions on http://www.kubuntu.org/content/kubuntu-1410
[08:53] <Riddell> (you know them already but good to follow the ones we publish to check them)
[08:54] <ovidiu-florin> soee bukai Riddell: the theme needs to be inheritable
[08:55] <ovidiu-florin> http://codex.wordpress.org/Child_Themes
[08:57] <valorie> I think it will be done updating in 5 mins or so
[09:09] <bukai> ovidiu-florin: Do we have to use a theme?
[09:10] <ovidiu-florin> whel, we could provide the site in just HTML
[09:10] <ovidiu-florin> but that would be rather ugly
[09:12] <ovidiu-florin> bukai: do you have other proposals?
[09:13] <Riddell> wordpress needs some sort of theme, that's how CMSs work
[09:14] <bukai> ovidiu-florin: I was thinking if we gathered some ideas from different places and implement we can really make a cool site, rather than restricting ourselves to only a few themes.
[09:15] <ovidiu-florin> bukai: are you saying to make our own theme?
[09:15] <ovidiu-florin> or our own CMS?
[09:15] <bukai> ovidiu-florin: exactly
[09:15] <ovidiu-florin> it's not clear over here
[09:16] <bukai> Cant we make our own theme?
[09:16] <ovidiu-florin> we can
[09:16] <ovidiu-florin> but there are many things to consider
[09:16] <ovidiu-florin> to many, for the time I have to implement it
[09:16] <ovidiu-florin> if you think you are up for it, go nuts
[09:17] <ovidiu-florin> but put it on a public repo, please
[09:17] <bukai> ovidiu-florin:  I would like to try atleast as there is no fun in using a theme
[09:17] <ovidiu-florin> the easier way would be to fork an existing GPL theme
[09:17] <ovidiu-florin> that's why I went for inheritance
[09:18] <ovidiu-florin> the original maintainer keeps the theme nice and stable and secure
[09:18] <ovidiu-florin> and we just change the layout through the child theme
[09:18] <ovidiu-florin> this woudl also require to know (almost) completly how the inherited theme is built
[09:18] <ovidiu-florin> and maintained
[09:21] <yofel> you could do something based on wp-bootstrap so you at least get the responsive part. (That theme is just bootstap + some *very* basic wp layouting and meant to be used as a theme base)
[09:22] <ovidiu-florin> don't forget about security
[09:22] <ovidiu-florin> never forget about security
[09:22] <ovidiu-florin> flaws in themes can lead to unwanted expoits
[09:23] <ovidiu-florin> ^ extra reason to use a maintained theme
[09:24] <bukai> ovidiu-florin: What kind of server do we use ?
[09:24] <ovidiu-florin> ask Riddell about this
[09:24] <valorie> gosh, old laptop is finishing a whole upgrade before netbook even finished updating!
[09:25]  * ovidiu-florin thinks netbooks are crap
[09:25] <valorie> 'tis
[09:28] <Riddell> bukai: hosteurope virtual machine, 2048MB memory, disk 50G  8.0G   43G  16% (totoal, used, free)
[09:28] <Riddell> debian wheezy
[09:30] <sgclark> morning
[09:34] <bukai> ovidiu-florin: So, how do we proceed with the theme?
[09:34] <ovidiu-florin> if you feel aventurous and have the time, built one yourself
[09:34] <Riddell> hi soee 
[09:34] <valorie> Riddell: sddm or lightdm?
[09:34] <ovidiu-florin> there is a guide for that on the Wordpress Codex
[09:34] <Riddell> hi sgclark 
[09:34] <ovidiu-florin> hi sgclark
[09:34] <Riddell> valorie: sddm if for the cool kids
[09:35] <Riddell> hi Sick_Rimmit 
[09:35] <ovidiu-florin> valorie: sddm has more QML :P
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[09:35] <Sick_Rimmit> Hello everyone
[09:35]  * valorie goes for broke
[09:35] <Riddell> and with sddm you get to poke d_ed when it breaks :)
[09:35] <Sick_Rimmit> Am at work during the day, so mainly silent, but I am here listening
[09:37] <Riddell> #ubuntu-release-party suspiciously quiet
[09:37] <Riddell> let's have a kubuntu takeover!
[09:37] <bukai> ovidiu-florin: ok, I will try to build one myself if get lost in the way we always have the wp themes to rely on :)
[09:40] <yofel> bukai: note that we should really have something responsive (hence my pointer to wp-bootstrap), otherwise use your creativity to the fullest ;)
[09:41] <Riddell> using artwork that fits in with breeze stuff would be great
[09:42] <bukai> yofel: ok, I will try my best.
[09:46] <bukai> Riddell ovidiu-florin, the site has no meta data can I add it?
[09:46] <Riddell> https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=285&t=123233&sid=b862575eb74a25e94e76dbef46bbd989  this thread has some thoughts from the vdg on kde website design
[09:46] <Riddell> bukai: which site has no what meta data?
[09:49] <bukai>  Riddell, kubuntu.org
[09:49] <Riddell> bukai: you mean <meta> tags? sure go ahead if that's useful
[09:50] <ovidiu-florin> it is
[09:52] <bukai> It is really useful, It makes the site google friendly , and that is what the bots understands.
[09:52] <Riddell> welcome in billbo, joining me in the barcelona office for a testing sprint
[09:52] <billbo> glad to help
[09:53] <bukai> Riddell: ^^
[09:53] <Riddell> bukai: patches welcome :)
[09:54] <ovidiu-florin> bukai: if you plan to do anything, I recommend you put it under a versionning system
[09:54] <ovidiu-florin> even the current wordpress site
[09:55] <yofel> at the very least put wp-content/ in a VCS
[09:56] <bukai> ovidiu-florin: ok.
[09:56] <ovidiu-florin> and do a DB dump ocasionally
[09:56] <ovidiu-florin> in the VCS
[09:58]  * bukai leaving for lunch,will brb
[09:58] <Riddell> New Plasma 5 images need testing!
[09:59] <Riddell> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/325/builds
[10:02] <valorie> netbook booted, and has wireless, although kwin crashed
[10:03] <valorie> the other laptop seems stuck in limbo
[10:05] <Riddell> valorie: I also see a kwin crash in plasma 5 on machines without good graphics cards
[10:05] <Riddell> which will be the case with netbooks
[10:05] <Riddell> valorie: if you can please report it to bugs.kde.org and I'll add in my info too
[10:08] <valorie> I'll have to do it tomorrow
[10:08] <valorie> sorry
[10:08] <valorie> 'tis 3am here
[10:08] <Riddell> fair enough :)
[10:08] <valorie> do I uninstall lightdm to get past the logjam on the other computer?
[10:08] <valorie> I have a console
[10:08] <Riddell> valorie: what state is it in?
[10:08] <valorie> just gray
[10:09] <Riddell> upgrade finished and rebooted?
[10:09] <valorie> yes
[10:09] <Riddell> that's worrying
[10:09] <valorie> but the booting didn't finish
[10:09] <valorie> sounds like what sgclark had the other day
[10:09] <Riddell> can you  sudo start sddm ?
[10:10] <valorie> job is already running, it says
[10:10] <sgclark>    sudo service sddm start
[10:11] <valorie> start: unrecognized service
[10:12] <valorie> i assume removing lightdm won't cause any problems
[10:13] <Riddell> can you  sudo start lightdm  ?
[10:13] <valorie> job is already running: sddm
[10:13] <valorie> oops, start: job is already running: sddm
[10:15] <valorie> sudo rebooting again now that lightdm is gone
[10:16] <valorie> weee, started
[10:17] <valorie> lovely to see breeze
[10:18] <bukai> ovidiu-florin: ok. I shall do it.
[10:19] <Riddell> hum, no idea what happened there valorie
[10:21] <valorie> here I am from my gift laptop in plasma5!
[10:21] <valorie> beyond the initial glitch, only tiny annoyance is that it didn't remember my wireless password
[10:22] <valorie> so for some reason lightdm and its greeter weren't removed automatically
[10:23] <valorie> have a lovely release day all!
[10:23] <Riddell> thanks valorie !
[10:23] <sgclark> night valorie
[10:23] <Riddell> remember me and sgclark on telly tonight if you want to watch that :)
[10:23] <valorie> if I get home in time I surely will
[10:23] <valorie> gotta be out and about in a few hours
[10:27] <sgclark> Riddell: I can get the plasma amd64 iso to even boot
[10:27] <sgclark> s/can/can't/
[10:27] <kubotu> sgclark meant: "Riddell: I can't get the plasma amd64 iso to even boot"
[10:28] <sgclark> nv I need more coffee
[10:29] <Riddell> sgclark: have you synced the version from 20141023 ?
[10:29] <Riddell> what happens when you try to boot?
[10:30] <Quintasan> Hmm, allright, might as well test something
[10:30]  * sgclark is too embarrassed to to say what she did
[10:30] <sgclark> it is working
[10:36] <Riddell> :)
[10:36] <Riddell> Quintasan: please :)
[10:40] <BluesKaj> HI all
[10:41] <Quintasan> Hmm
[10:41] <Quintasan> http://i.imgur.com/AUHq4hN.png
[10:41] <Quintasan> This doesn't look very promising
[10:44] <Riddell> hi starbuck1, come to join our 14.10 testing and release sprint? :)
[10:45] <Quintasan> sgclark: Are you using VirtualBox?
[10:45] <Riddell> Quintasan: billbo is using virtualbox fine with plasma 4
[10:45] <Quintasan> I'm testing Plasma 5
[10:45] <sgclark> Quintasan: nah a laptop, my error was an operator error
[10:46] <Quintasan> Plasma 4 images are from yesterday if I'm not mistaken
[10:46] <billbo> Plasma 4 with Catalan install and run on VBox worked fine.  In the middle of an auto resize install.
[10:46] <Quintasan> Riddell: Do we actually care about VBox issues?
[10:46] <billbo> Note: That's with AMD64 image
[10:47] <Riddell> Quintasan: not much but it's still interesting to know, I'll boot up vbox and check
[10:47] <Quintasan> Well, there has to be something wrong with the Plasma 5 images, I can't even switch to VT to get log
[10:47] <Quintasan> logs*
[10:50] <Quintasan> 14.10 is systemd?
[10:50] <yofel> no
[10:50] <Quintasan> WOW
[10:50] <Quintasan> what the hell
[10:54] <Quintasan> My VBox could like an disco ball right now
[10:57] <Riddell> hmm well that's slowed my system to a crawl
[10:58] <apachelogger> Quintasan: ctrl-f1, ctrl-f7
[10:58] <apachelogger> also you might want to do bare metal testing instead :P
[10:59] <Quintasan> It's party time
[10:59] <Quintasan> http://people.ubuntu.com/~quintasan/uploads/disco.webm
[11:03] <Quintasan> i386 works fine though
[11:03] <Blizzz> shall i try something on vbox?
[11:04] <sgclark> yeah I tried a few setting in vbox and it is all sort of broken
[11:05] <Quintasan> Man, Plasma 5 looks smooth.
[11:06] <Quintasan> I'm really impressed and I find myself hard to impress when it comes to UIs
[11:08] <soee> :)
[11:09] <Quintasan> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/1378423
[11:09] <ubottu> Ubuntu bug 1378423 in xorg (Ubuntu) "Virtualbox boots to black screen or corrupted screen with daily" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[11:09] <Quintasan> It's probably this
[11:11] <Riddell> Quintasan: I don't see your issue so I guess it's specific to some hardware you have
[11:11] <Riddell> Blizzz: yes please
[11:11] <Quintasan> Probably, some other people have it as well
[11:11] <Riddell> Blizzz: plasma5 images need some love, as does 4->5 installs and 14.04 -> 14.10 upgrades
[11:12] <sgclark> yup, I clicked affected
[11:13] <Blizzz> Riddell: i will see what i can do, doing it alongside work …  The Utopic Final images are those to be tested, right, and not daily?
[11:13] <Riddell> Quintasan: that's some funky disco lights you have there :)
[11:14] <Quintasan> Yeah :D
[11:14] <Riddell> Blizzz: Utopic Final in iso tracker (they are the same as daily)
[11:14] <Blizzz> good, then i get the correct ones
[11:15] <Blizzz> network is slow here. Medieval German Internet.
[11:17] <Quintasan> damit
[11:17] <Quintasan> Riddell: Can one somehow edit comments on bugs?
[11:20] <Riddell> Quintasan: on launchpad? I don't think so
[11:20] <Quintasan> bah
[11:20] <yofel> you could hide it and add a new one
[11:20] <Quintasan> I'll just do a symlink so the link doesnt 404
[11:21] <apachelogger> the solution to that is to attach things rather than to link to foreign sources...
[11:21]  * Quintasan facedesks
[11:21]  * Quintasan hands apachelogger a cookie
[11:21] <Quintasan> Right.
[11:22] <Riddell> folks oem is broken on plasma5 so don't bother testing that
[11:42] <Quintasan> ...
[11:42] <Quintasan> now the i386 is broken as well
[11:42] <billbo> I've done a auto resize of Ubuntu 14.10 on itself (catalan -> english), but haven't market it done yet.  I'm working on doing a windows -> ubuntu test right now.   First need to get a windows VM ready.
[11:42] <Quintasan> There must be something wrong with virtualbox
[11:43] <apachelogger> no kidding
[11:43] <billbo> ^^Qunitasan - I've rarely had GUI stuff work well with VB.   If something works with VB then it will probably work elsewhere.   If it doesn't work then it might not mean anything.
[12:04] <Riddell> Riddell: http://paste.kde.org/pukdagbdq
[12:09] <Riddell> Riddell: http://paste.kde.org/pdrvsaz3u
[12:26] <Riddell> waa I can't edit the kubuntu.org website today :(
[12:27] <Riddell> sgclark: are you able to check if it works for you?
[12:27] <Riddell> add a page https://www-admin.kubuntu.org/node/add/page
[12:27] <Riddell> in konqueror
[12:27] <Riddell> or anyone else who has the admin details?
[12:28]  * sgclark looks
[12:31] <bukai> ovidiu-florin: Which page should I add the meta tags? If I add it to the template page will it be available in all the other pages generated?
[12:33] <mkumar> Riddell: where are the 14.10 iso images?
[12:33] <Riddell> mkumar: candidate images linked from http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/325/builds
[12:33] <Riddell> testing welcomed
[12:34] <bukai> soee: ^^
[12:34] <sgclark> Riddell: seems to be working for me
[12:34] <mkumar> Riddell: Thanks
[12:36] <Riddell> sgclark: you can make a new page?
[12:36] <sgclark> yes
[12:36] <Riddell> I wonder if my konqueror isn't working due to kwallet not working or something
[12:41] <soee> bukai: ? :)
[12:46] <bukai> soee: If I add meta tags to the template file will it be incorporated innnnn all the pages generated?
[12:47] <soee> bukai: WP theme ?
[12:47] <bukai> no
[12:49] <soee> well im not sure how you are building app, if you are using layouts, templates, partials you can create partial that is shared across various layouts, and put into this partial section for metatags
[12:51] <Riddell> going out for lunch, sms or facebook message or whatsapp message if you need me
[12:54] <ovidiu-florin> bukai: yes
[12:55] <bukai> ok, thanks, will try it. But I included the analytics file in the template and it got incorporated in all the files, So I was thinking if I can do the same.
[12:56] <ovidiu-florin> bukai: this is the current, drupal site?
[12:56] <bukai> ovidiu-florin: yes.
[12:56] <ovidiu-florin> IMO you don't have to bother to much with that one
[12:57] <bukai> ovidiu-florin: Ok, first priority should be the theme?
[12:57] <ovidiu-florin> yes
[12:58] <bukai> ovidiu-florin: ok, btw Shall I register for SoK as this as my project? 
[12:59] <ovidiu-florin> at which organization?
[13:04] <bukai> ovidiu-florin: for the project "finish test.kubuntu.co.uk"
[13:04] <ovidiu-florin> at what organization?
[13:04] <sgclark> season of kde
[13:04] <ovidiu-florin> you could try
[13:05] <bukai> yes.
[13:16] <soee> hmm i havent seen Antisound since yesterday, he had some problems with Plasma5 ... so i wonder if hes system is down since than
[13:21]  * bukai leaves for bursting crackers :) Happy Diwali
[13:23] <R3dSky> on the Intel G31, kubuntu 14.10 with plasma 5 shows something on the lines of 'libGL Error: version 4 or later of flush extension not found' and fails to load i915.
[13:28] <R3dSky> let me pastebin it more accurately: http://pastebin.com/B9T7VGiw
[13:43] <Blizzz> i had an issue with typing in passphrade in graphics mode after Install (entire disk with lvm and encryption)  in Virtual Box. Left it  as comment in QA. Have only VirtualBox to test with.
[13:44] <Blizzz> marked as passed since you can restart and enter it in text mode
[13:54] <R3dSky> i repeat, on the Intel G31, kubuntu 14.10 with plasma 5 shows something on the lines of http://pastebin.com/B9T7VGiw
[14:13] <Blizzz> plasma 5 gives me also disco in virtual box
[14:17] <Blizzz> switching to TTY1 and back gives the desktop  however
[14:19] <Riddell> oh he left, shame
[14:25] <Riddell> plasma 5 images won't be published on cdimages sigh, I'll need to work out how to set up webfront again
[15:32] <sgclark> Riddell: 14.12 ? is that new? how is that going to work with our existing setup?
[15:33] <Riddell> sgclark: talking about Applications?
[15:33] <sgclark> yeah
[15:33] <Riddell> it's the replacement for KDE SC (so follows on from 4.14.x)
[15:33] <sgclark> evidently the devs can depend on kf5 or kde4libs..
[15:34] <sgclark> ahh
[15:34] <Riddell> yep so lots of packaging to be tidied up and re-done
[15:34] <sgclark> oh cool
[15:34] <Riddell> but also lots that's just a straight copy or adaption
[15:34] <sgclark> we putting it in git?
[15:34] <Riddell> and I expect there will be lots of issues like jpwhiting highlights in overlapping files we'll need to play with
[15:34] <Riddell> yeah I think we'll put it into debian git when we come to it
[15:34] <sgclark> fun!
[15:35] <sgclark> evidently it is releasing next week haha
[15:35] <Riddell> er really?
[15:35] <sgclark> https://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/Applications/14.12_Release_Schedule according to this
[15:35] <Riddell> "Wednesday, November 5, 2014: KDE Applications 14.12 Beta 1 Tagging and Release"
[15:35] <Riddell> so not next week but the one after, scary
[15:36] <sgclark> oh I can't read, just a freeze, my bad
[15:36] <Riddell> still gives us something to do with utopic out the way :)
[15:36] <sgclark> yes
[15:36] <Riddell> and I think as with frameworks and plasma it'll be a pretty manual job in the first instance that is then automated
[15:37] <sgclark> yeah
[15:40] <sgclark> Riddell: gotta go run some errands before our 10 mins of fame. I will return dressed in Kubuntu swag!
[15:43] <Blizzz> Plasma 5 on Virtual Box is working and installing, though not smooth.
[15:43] <Riddell> sgclark: :)
[15:44] <Riddell> Blizzz: yay, just the problem with disco lights or something else?
[15:45] <Blizzz> Riddell: i could not pick a language before starting the live session and after install reboot did not work, required reset
[15:45] <Riddell> reboot issue I know about
[15:45] <Blizzz> boots into installed system without disco
[15:46] <Riddell> bug 1384690 kubuntu-plasma5 hangs on reboot after install
[15:46] <ubottu> bug 1384690 in Kubuntu PPA "kubuntu-plasma5 hangs on reboot after install" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1384690
[15:46] <Riddell> add any more details there if you have them
[15:47] <Riddell> Blizzz: I don't know about the language issue, billbo was testing language install but I'm not sure when he selected the language
[15:47] <Riddell> report a bug if you feel it's useful
[15:53] <Blizzz> Riddell: likely useful for non-native speakers. i filed it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/+bug/1384791
[15:53] <ubottu> Ubuntu bug 1384791 in Kubuntu PPA "kubuntu-plasma5 does not allow to pick language before starting live session" [Undecided,New]
[15:56] <Riddell> marked as ready but more testing still appreciated
[15:59] <Blizzz> Riddell: i had also some remarks on install with LVM+Encrypted (but Plasma 4): http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/325/builds/82592/testcases/1451/results
[16:01] <Riddell> Blizzz: I disagree with bug 1384791 I can get to the syslinux menu and I can select a language which does correct set the locale in the live system
[16:01] <ubottu> bug 1384791 in Kubuntu PPA "kubuntu-plasma5 does not allow to pick language before starting live session" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1384791
[16:01] <Riddell> Blizzz: could it be you just are expecting it to be shown by default but now it's hidden and you need to press a key?
[16:04] <Blizzz> Riddell: I only pressed Ctrl+F1 and Ctrl+F7 to get back it. If it is enough to get beyond it, OK. 
[16:04] <Blizzz> otherwise there was only disco. Tried it twice.
[16:06] <Riddell> so probably the disco problem confusing it
[16:07] <Riddell> "Input boxes to put credentials in (Installation Type step) show not hint on what to enter where." yeah I know I didn't implement that as nicely as I should have
[16:37] <Riddell> sgclark: join #ubuntu-release for release pings
[16:37] <Riddell> I'm going to walk home, back online shortly, sms me if problems http://jriddell.org/contact.html
[17:15] <Riddell> are we nearly there yet?
[17:18] <shadeslayer> I think so
[17:19] <shadeslayer> I see final testing reports going out
[17:19] <Riddell> ubuntu gnome announced already, tsk
[17:19] <sgclark> ok
[17:25] <Riddell> who's exited for 14.10?!
[17:27] <sgclark> well I have been using it for some time now lol
[17:27] <Riddell> :)
[17:30] <BluesKaj> yeah, just dist-upgraded and nothing, so guess I'm up to date already
[17:43] <sgclark> hmm interesting OMG ubuntu post out 3 hours ago claiming utopic has been released
[17:48] <Riddell> oh they always jump the gun
[17:48] <Riddell> tabloid rag :)
[17:49] <sgclark> ahh hehe
[17:50] <sgclark> how long before our telly gig?
[17:51] <Tm_T> someone might like to moderate comments in https://plus.google.com/u/0/107577785796696065138/posts/hVgjaESvC8Y
[17:51] <Riddell> sgclark: 2.5 hours
[17:51] <Riddell> "KDE (kubuntu 14.10 OTOH is incredible)."  nice OMG comment
[17:52] <Riddell> Tm_T: all seem good natured
[17:53] <Tm_T> Riddell: my issue is sharing download links before release and mirrors being in sync
[17:53] <sgclark> yeah I don't see any flames yet
[17:54] <Tm_T> I've understood premature rush to servers have slown down release preparations before
[17:54] <Riddell> I commented "The images go out to mirrors a few hours before release but it's not released until we announce it on kubuntu.org, in case of last minute serious bugs we can still withdraw it"
[17:54] <sgclark> Riddell: someone in comment put link
[17:57] <Tm_T> Riddell: that works too, although I've noticed people are too eager to heed those warnings
[18:02] <_Groo_> guys, been testing plasma 5.1
[18:03] <_Groo_> and i was wondering, wouldnt be nice to make a meta package so we could install all the 4.x packages we dont have a 5.x equivalent yet?
[18:03] <_Groo_> right now is kind of a messa
[18:03] <_Groo_> mess
[18:04] <Riddell> what do you mean by all the kde packages? that's hard to define
[18:04] <Riddell> we may well do an equivalent of kubuntu-full for plasma5 but it gets hard to keep it in sync with some definition of "all"
[18:11] <sgclark> perhaps we could achieve that with 14.12
[18:14] <Riddell> yep
[18:26] <_Groo_> Riddell: i mean packages that are need but its a pain to cherrypick, like ark for ex
[18:26] <_Groo_> needed*
[18:27] <_Groo_> and yeah, it would be a moving target has more packages/apps are ported to 5
[18:27] <Riddell> sgclark: kubuntu.org now has that <script> stuff before the html headers
[18:27] <_Groo_> but its a price we pay for a transitioning process
[18:27] <Riddell> I wonder if that's why when I edit->save it gives me a blank page (but does fortunately save)
[18:29] <Riddell> viewrs on kubuntu.org now > 100 compared to ~50 this morning
[18:30] <sgclark> Riddell: yeah that is the analytics I think. 
[18:31] <Riddell> sgclark: any idea how to put it inside the <head> instead of right at the top?
[18:31] <sgclark> cut and paste? lol
[18:31] <sgclark> want me to? I can
[18:32] <Riddell> sgclark: paste where? can you edit the bzr branch?
[18:32] <Riddell> ** proofreaders please check kubuntu.org/getkubuntu
[18:33] <Riddell> ** proofreaders please check http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-14.10
[18:35] <Riddell> ** proofreaders please check http://www.kubuntu.org/
=== Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - Friendly Computing | https://trello.com/kubuntu | http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ | 14.10 is out!
[18:37] <Blizzz> champaign!
[18:37] <sgclark> woohoo!
[18:38] <Riddell> awooga!
[18:39] <Riddell> thanks for your help testing Blizzz, sgclark, lordievader, valorie 
[18:39] <genii> Riddell: I think in the places where it says like: sudo apt update  and sudo apt install kubuntu-plasma5-desktop , and so on, it might need to be apt-get instead
[18:40] <Blizzz> genii: since not so  long ago apt can be simply used via apt
[18:40] <Riddell> genii: nah apt-get is old school, apt is what the cool kids use now
[18:40]  * sgclark is old school
[18:40] <lordievader> Riddell: No problem :)
[18:41]  * lordievader is old school too
[18:41]  * Blizzz thanks the hardworking gals and guys here and upstream
[18:41] <genii> Cool, 4 characters less to write every time ;)
[18:41] <sgclark> gosh what version of drupal is this lol
[18:42] <Riddell> also I alias apt="sudo apt" to remove another four
[18:42] <Riddell> sgclark: something old school I expect
[18:45] <Riddell> please re-tweet https://twitter.com/kubuntu/status/525356842986532865
[18:45] <Riddell> and share the facebook post https://www.facebook.com/kubuntu.org
[18:46] <Riddell> billbo: thanks for your help too!
[18:46] <sgclark> Riddell: fixed but yeah seems I do not have push rights to that branch
[18:47] <Riddell> sgclark: let me see if I can fix that
[18:47] <soee> yohoho one bug fixed: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=337887 :)
[18:47] <ubottu> KDE bug 337887 in Image Wallpaper "File with unsupported format shows default thumbnail and can't set wallpaper" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]
[18:47] <Tm_T> plasma5 daily live from couple days ago does end up to black screen, sddm has pam error access denied
[18:47] <Riddell> sgclark: try now, added you to ~kubuntu-website
[18:48] <Blizzz> i aliased to "inst" for sudo apt-get install  and update as well as dupgrade (for dist-upgrade) to save even more
[18:48] <Riddell> Tm_T: couple days ago is old school, cool kids use 14.10 final!
[18:48] <Tm_T> Riddell: takes ages to download in here
[18:48] <sgclark> Riddell: thanks, pushed, yeah this older version needed it put in another file next to </head>
[18:48] <Riddell> Blizzz: ah but now it's apt full-upgrade not dist-upgrade.  somehow fupgrade sounds rude
[18:49] <Tm_T> will try more recent one as soon as it finishes, like, tomorrow
[18:49] <Blizzz> Riddell: iirc the old apt-get commands still work, don't they?
[18:49] <Riddell> zsync is your friend
[18:49] <Riddell> Blizzz: yes they won't change, they'll just look really uncool
[18:50] <Blizzz> won't change the look of my aliases
[18:50] <Riddell> sgclark: could you e-mail rt@ubuntu.com and request they do a bzr update ?
[18:51] <sgclark> yes
[18:52] <sgclark> done
[18:56] <Riddell> sgclark: 1.5 hours until we start the hangout and 2 hours until we start the broadcast
[18:56] <Riddell> oh.. I should get a drink
[18:56] <Riddell> sgclark: do you have a drink
[18:56] <Riddell> sgclark: and do you have an application to big up?
[18:57] <shadeslayer> yay
[18:57] <shadeslayer> release ftw
[18:58] <shadeslayer> brace yourselves, bugs are coming
[18:58] <sgclark> application to big up?
[18:58]  * Riddell fluffles shadeslayer 
[18:58]  * shadeslayer is fluffled
[18:58] <Riddell> sgclark: I think there's a section to talk about a cool app
[18:58] <sgclark> lol
[18:58] <shadeslayer> also, wobbly in the head
[18:58] <shadeslayer> but meh
[18:58] <soee> Riddell: what broadcast ?
[18:59] <Riddell> we're going on this podcast http://www.atrandom.org.uk/
[19:00] <sgclark> well I would love to big up kontact, but kmail keeps dying at random times :(
[19:02] <Riddell> at this url https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zff4v6Ebe_0
[19:02] <sgclark> my most used app is konsole =P
[19:03] <sgclark> guess I outta try and get google plugin working, I have never been successful
[19:03] <Riddell> erk yes
[19:04] <sgclark> ok afk a bit getting set up, going downstairs, so no one sees my messy desk :)
[19:41] <_Groo_> guys, is this normal? http://snag.gy/vOoo2.jpg
[19:41] <_Groo_> ive upgraded using plasma next ppa
[19:41] <Riddell> _Groo_: other people have seen the same
[19:41] <_Groo_> can it be fixed?
[19:42] <_Groo_> are we shipping with only 4 wallpapers?
[19:42] <_Groo_> the 5th i added myself
[19:42] <Riddell> that's all upstream ships with, our cdimages are large enough without adding more
[19:42] <Riddell> click Download Wallpapers to get more
[19:42] <_Groo_> i know
[19:43] <_Groo_> i just wanted to make sure
[19:43] <_Groo_> so is there a way to fix the black images?
[19:43] <soee> _Groo_: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=337887
[19:43] <ubottu> KDE bug 337887 in Image Wallpaper "File with unsupported format shows default thumbnail and can't set wallpaper" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]
[19:44] <soee> it is fixed in 5.2 master
[19:45] <Riddell> sgclark: seen https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jTiJvqAsM-7oLgG-RCzg6CwmNa1g3h4A1bn6NKVRFHY/edit#heading=h.9xpq98f2euq5 ?
[19:45] <sgclark> access denied lol
[19:46] <_Groo_> k is fixed in 52.
[19:46] <_Groo_> 5.2
[19:46] <_Groo_> but where is he getting this unsupported images from?
[19:47] <Riddell> sgclark: share was sent to sgclark@kubuntu.org
[19:47] <_Groo_> in /usr/share/wallpaper?
[19:47] <soee> _Groo_: no idea, they were here i think after fresh installation
[19:47] <_Groo_> yep
[19:47] <sgclark> Riddell: it will only let me sign in with a google account
[19:48] <sgclark> ugh let me see if my mail is working
[19:48] <Riddell> sgclark: what e-mail address?
[19:48] <sgclark> Riddell: scarlett.gately.clark@gmail.com
[19:49] <Riddell> sgclark: sent
[19:49] <sgclark> in thanks
[19:55] <sgclark> ok hangouts working video at least heh
[19:57] <Riddell> and audio?
[19:58] <Riddell> sgclark: do you have a beer or drink to introduce?
[19:58] <sgclark> No beer in the house atm :(
[19:59] <sgclark> I do have stuff to make a boring ole drink
[19:59] <sgclark> tho it is a bit early! well for most in this next of the woods lol
[19:59] <sgclark> s/next/neck/
[19:59] <kubotu> sgclark meant: "tho it is a bit early! well for most in this neck of the woods lol"
[20:00] <sgclark> how long do I have? I could run up to the store and get some portland brew fast
[20:01] <sgclark> Riddell: ^ 30 mins?
[20:11] <Riddell> sgclark: 20 mins until warm up, 50 mins until start
[20:12] <sgclark> Riddell: portland brew aquired
[20:14] <Riddell> yay
[20:15] <Riddell> sgclark: for the questions shall we take it turn about doing the lead answer then second person answer?
[20:15] <Riddell> sgclark: got an app to big up yet?
[20:16] <sgclark> ack ack ack
[20:16]  * sgclark stresses out
[20:18] <Riddell> ach plenty time
[20:27] <Riddell> sgclark: got a kde or kubuntu t-shirt on to look the part?
[20:27] <sgclark> Kubuntu :)
[20:28] <soee> eee Twitter broken ?
[20:28] <Riddell> hah yes
[20:28] <Riddell> used to happen all the time when it was written in ruby
[20:29] <Riddell> but since they moved to python it's been fine :)
[20:29] <soee> :)
[20:33] <Riddell> hmm.. no invite yet
[20:36] <Riddell> sgclark: did you get one?
[20:39] <sgclark> not that I see
[20:40] <Riddell> sgclark: they have invited you
[20:40] <Riddell> sgclark: you on google plus?
[20:40] <sgclark> yep
[20:40] <Riddell> sgclark: now?
[20:41] <Sick_Rimmit> sgclark: Hi
[20:41] <sgclark> hiyas
[20:42] <Sick_Rimmit> Sent you an IRC PM
[20:50] <soee> wassup with podcast ?
[20:50] <Riddell> starts in 10 mins
[20:50] <Riddell> you got the url?
[20:50] <soee> im on yuotube
[20:51] <soee> it states Starting soon 
[20:53] <Riddell> 8 mins!
[20:53]  * sgclark is having heart palpitations
[20:55] <soee> :)
[20:56] <soee> whole world is watching :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mf97F-SpBQU
[21:22] <apachelogger> now I feel like I want a beer
[21:58] <apachelogger> #nvidiashoebox
[21:58] <apachelogger> someone should make that trending
[21:58] <shadeslayer> oh
[21:58] <shadeslayer> ok
[21:59] <apachelogger> yo bro
[21:59] <shadeslayer> ssup
[22:00] <apachelogger> tired
[22:00] <apachelogger> so very very tired
[22:00] <apachelogger> also
[22:00] <apachelogger> I feel like I want to work on something
[22:00] <apachelogger> except
[22:00] <apachelogger> tired
[22:00] <apachelogger> xD
[22:00] <shadeslayer> I recommend drugs
[22:00] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: https://twitter.com/hashtag/nvidiashoebox?src=hash
[22:00] <shadeslayer> drugs do wonderful things to you
=== apachelogger changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - Friendly Computing | https://trello.com/kubuntu | http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ | 14.10 is out! | trello cards up for grabs!
[22:01] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: u hero
[22:02] <apachelogger> oh yeah
[22:02] <apachelogger> someone should propose that we switch to konversation
[22:03] <tsimpson> I think people are hinting if not proposing
[22:04] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: did we run out of topics to bikeshed on
[22:05] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: oh right, we still got that baloo bikeshed going
[22:05] <apachelogger> nevermind
[22:05] <apachelogger> I'll put it on my whiteboard for later xD
[22:05] <shadeslayer> right
[22:55] <lordievader> Nice interview, Riddell, sgclark :D
[22:55] <Riddell> phew that was long :)
[22:56] <sgclark> lol yeah
[22:56] <sgclark> I choked up a few times :(
[22:56] <tsimpson> nah, you were great :)
[22:56] <apachelogger> now I'll be late for work!!
[22:57] <sgclark> lol
[22:57] <apachelogger> actually
[22:58] <apachelogger> I could like put the CI isos on a schedule and have them rolled before I get up
[22:58] <apachelogger> lol
[22:58] <apachelogger> it is so late the CI builds already trigger
[22:58] <apachelogger> xD
[23:03] <sgclark> I try to work on them at night, well your night hehe
[23:17] <valorie> better late than never, I'm watching now
[23:17] <valorie> but also upgrading, so will disappear again shortly