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valorieZephyr1139: did you choose SDDM, or lightdm?01:18
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LinusTorvaldIIhi valorie01:55
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Verhniyskype on linux only x86 version?02:31
Unit193Yep, but thanks to multiarch, you can install that on 64bit linux.02:34
Verhniyyes thanks02:34
sysop2hi. should I run KDE 4.9 on Kubuntu 14.04?02:36
sysop2or 13.10?02:37
valorie13.10 is no longer supported02:38
Unit19313.10 is EOL'd, you should upgrade if you are using that.02:38
valorieif you must run an old version, use 12.0402:38
valoriewhich is LTS02:38
sysop2thanks.  but what abou t the KDE 4.9 question?02:38
valoriesysop2: why do you need such an old KDE version?02:38
valorieI very much doubt you can run such an old version on 14.0402:39
sysop2KDE 4.9? old?02:39
sysop2its got 4.1 on my 14.04.02:40
sysop2valorie, I am waiting.02:42
valoriewaiting for what?02:42
sysop2to answer me. 14.04 comes with 4.1, so how is 4.9 old?02:43
valorienow I'm confused02:43
valorie4.14 is the current02:43
sysop2are you a bot?02:43
valoriethere is no 4.9, and never will be one02:43
valoriewe have frameworks 5, and plasma 5 available as testing ISOs02:44
valorienow02:44
sysop2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYbWwZaruQc02:44
valorieexcuse me?02:44
sysop2just asking.02:44
valoriesysop2: that is two years old, so 12.04 kubuntu will be fine with it02:46
valorieconfusing numbering02:46
sysop2oh ok. so what they are calling 4.9 is not what you are calling 4.9. now it makes sense.02:46
sysop2I was just wanting to get the newest KDE  I could that was stable.  no looking to try 5 yet.02:47
valorieI do remember that release in honor of Clare Lotion, yes02:47
valorie4.14 is very stable, and what this laptop I'm using right now is running02:48
valoriemost stable and smooth yet02:48
valoriebut I really want plasma 5!02:48
valorieso pretty02:48
Verhniywin8-10 style02:49
sysop2thats what I said when I switched from 3 to 4!02:49
sysop2so 14.04 is only a minor version behind. thats not bad.02:49
sysop2I have dream desktop installed on my 64bit kubuntu box. its nice except for half the time when I add a video it crashes plasma.02:50
valorieaha, that was 4.0 SC02:50
valorieI don't think KDE does that sort of release any more02:51
valorieplasma hasn't crashed for me in at least a year02:51
valorieif not more02:51
sysop2on 4.14?02:52
valoriewell, I'm always up-to-date02:52
valorieI'll upgrade tomorrow or the next day on this laptop02:53
sysop2well if you have never used it dream desktop is a little old and orphaned, so I am sure its not a problems with plasma for that.02:53
valorieonce I get my test machine back running02:53
valoriebroken hinge is causing havok on it atm02:53
valoriebefore that, 4.14 with plasma 5 was running pretty well02:54
valoriea couple of weeks ago02:54
valorietook me awhile to get it all apart02:54
sysop2hmm, if there is a PPA for it I might upgrade my 64bit box. although its not super strong its a minnowboard max.02:54
valoriesysop2: just watch kubuntu.org for announcements02:55
valorieyes, we've got both a PPA and a stand-alone ISO available for testers02:55
sysop24.14 with current plasma would suit me fine.02:56
MangaKaDenzaI'm testing plasma 5 atm... its got a few edges02:57
valorieit is so great that it's a bit boring02:57
MangaKaDenza*left to polish02:57
valorielol02:57
valorieMangaKaDenza: please file bugs when one bothers you02:57
MangaKaDenzaah, ok02:58
sysop2BTW before I go02:59
sysop2are you a turtle?03:00
MangaKaDenzauwot03:00
sysop2NM.03:01
Zephyr1139valorie, re: did you choose SDDM, or lightdm? ... I must have missed an installation step. After installing kde-full I wasn't prompted for a choice.03:47
valorieI chose lightdm03:52
valoriebut now I'm regretting i didn't test SDDM03:52
valoriethat is the future03:52
Zephyr1139I'll give SDDM a try.03:56
valoriewell, I guess lightdm must be stopped and uninstalled03:56
valorieI need to dig up the instructions before making the change03:56
Zephyr1139I'm starting with a 14.04 LTS server install.03:59
Zephyr1139is 14.04 the same as 4.14 ?04:00
valorie14.04 is the *buntu version04:05
valorie4.14 is the KDE version04:05
valorieyou shouldn't have to worry about KDE version04:05
valoriejust install `kubuntu-desktop` on top of the server version04:06
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guye_how i join laravel channel>05:10
silv3r_m00nhi there05:15
silv3r_m00nthe login screen background image, where is it stored ?05:15
valorie!alis | guye_05:20
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soeegood morning06:25
lordievaderGood morning.06:38
Saphyelgoo morning ppl!06:59
Saphyelhow much left until 14.10 will be out?07:00
lordievaderSaphyel: Depends.07:01
Saphyellordievader: explain it07:25
lordievaderIt takes time to release Utopic, some times it takes more time and other times less. Therefore there is no set time when it is released.07:26
valorieit could be in an hour, or 20 hours07:30
Saphyelso I I'll wait until tomorrow07:31
lordievaderSaphyel: There are ways of getting it already ;)07:31
Saphyelany stable way?07:32
lordievaderYes, the final iso's.07:33
lordievaderhttp://iso.qa.ubuntu.com07:34
lordievaderHey the final is still in testing. Saphyel if you do install it could you report your findings there?07:34
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amichair_is there some command to list the packages that are currently installed but are not in the default kubuntu installation, i.e. they were installed by the user at some point?08:23
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valorieamichair_: it should be in an apt cache file somewhere08:42
valoriein etc I think08:42
Saphyellordievader: i'll try it ^^08:45
amichair_valorie: etc/apt only has sources list from what I see08:45
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valorieamichair: what I was thinking of, I think, was /var/log/apt/history.log09:08
amichairvalorie: that seems to be only a log of recent events09:12
amichairI've been doing rolling upgrades since Intrepid, and I'd like to do some cleanup...09:12
amichaira diff of 14.04 (or soon 14.10) packages with the currently installed ones09:13
valorieI googled a bit, but didn't see any good answers for you09:18
valoriewell, you can get the manifest of 14.0409:19
valorieand there are commands to get all the installed packages09:19
valorieyou could diff those09:19
valoriemanifest should be on the releases page09:20
dubisHello09:44
dubisSomeone know how to import file in kjots09:45
amichairvalorie: you mean near the download links?09:45
valoriehttp://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/trusty/release/09:47
valoriethe manifests are on that page for download09:47
amichairvalorie: thanks10:23
BluesKajHI all10:40
dubisSomeone know how to import file in kjots10:56
amichairis there a kubuntu meta-package for all built-in games?11:02
hateballby built-in you mean ?11:03
hateballavailable in the repos?11:03
amichairhateball: I mean installed by default (now or in older releases)11:04
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alvinamichair: Isn't kpat the only game installed by default?11:28
hateballit is, it would seem11:29
TabmowIs it wise to install kde once I have installed standard ubuntu? As in add the WM?11:31
hateballTabmow: doesnt really matter, I'd install kubuntu-desktop to get all the expected things tho11:32
amichairalvin, hateball: maybe in the past there were more (I've been doing rolling updates for quite a while)? I have a bunch of games installed which I never installed manually, and no kdegames meta-package11:36
Tabmowhateball: I'll install kde-full and see how I go then. Thanks.11:36
alvinFull has a lot of packages11:45
dubisSomeone know where the files of kjots?11:54
Tabmowaltin: i'm not disk bound or anything like that so I figured why not11:54
LinuxFanHallo! Weiß jemand, wann heute das neue Kubuntu erscheinen soll?11:57
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LinuxFanSorry! Does anybody know, when kubuntu 14.10 is ready for download today?12:00
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mokushis 14.10 going to be out today?12:41
hateballFor some definition of today, probably12:41
mokushhateball: I'm guessing late us time?12:47
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Yossarianukto be honest 14.10 is one of the least exciting releases (ubuntu + kubuntu) as barely anything is different ...13:01
BluesKajwell systemd and plasma 5/kf5 if you want, Yossarianuk13:04
Yossarianuksystemd !!!!!!!!!!13:04
Yossarianuk(im joking..)13:04
Yossarianukok didn't realise that was more integrated..13:05
Yossarianukinterested in plasma5 though......13:05
mokushBluesKaj: using 14.10 with the plasma5 ppa will be the same as downloading the plasma5 iso directly?13:06
BluesKajmokush, not sure...both were unsatisfactory :(13:07
mokushBluesKaj: what do you mean `unsatisfactory`?13:07
Yossarianukand just to confirm there are no issues with plasma5 + nvidia (binary driver) ?13:07
YossarianukI know wayland is not supported...13:08
BluesKaj not usable as a deskop for my needs..too buggy13:08
BluesKajmokush, ^13:08
mokushI did try project-neon, but tought the plasma5 is more stable13:08
mokushI meant the plasma5-ppa13:11
soeeBluesKaj: dont scare people :) its working just fone for me13:12
soeei have it on my working machine and personal laptop13:12
BluesKajsoee, merely expressing my experience13:12
soeeBluesKaj: yes i know ;) and im posting mine so the users know for some its just fine13:13
BluesKajsoee, yup , good to hear that it's working on some hw13:14
soeePlasma 5.2 is planned january 201513:14
soeethen it should be more polished13:14
BluesKajsoee, I sure hope so :)13:15
BluesKajis copy and paste working for you without need in the KB commands?13:16
BluesKajsoee,^13:16
BluesKajerr needing13:16
soeeKB commands13:16
soee?13:16
soeeits working as usual :)13:16
BluesKajctrl+c, ctrl+v13:16
BluesKajhad to use them in place of the dialog copy and paste13:17
BluesKajand then didn't always work13:17
soeeworks both, from context menu and shortcuts13:17
BluesKajis the theme selection working yet?13:19
soeeBluesKaj: i did test only switch Breeze -> Breeze Dark13:19
soeeand this 2 work13:19
BluesKajand different wallpaper for different desktops13:19
soeehad no need to use others13:19
soeeBluesKaj: how to say, i have 2 screens connected here at work and 2 virtual desktops so for 1 virtual desktop i have content on 2 screens and on both i can set different wallpaper13:22
soeebut it is changed on both virtual desktops13:22
mokushsoee: are you using the plasma5-ppa on 14.10?13:23
soeemokush: plasma-next ppa on 14.1013:23
mokushsoee: is that the ppa enabled by default on the plasma5-iso?13:23
soeethis one https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/next13:23
soeemokush: im not sure if isos have this enabled, thay just contain this packages13:24
mokushsoee: do you use kate? any issues with it? I've been trying the project-neon daylies and had some issues with kate. project-neon also doesn't have kf5 dolphin13:25
mokushdoes kubuntu-next have dolphin on qt5/kf5?13:25
soeethere are non apps based on kf5 i think13:25
soeewell there were konsole, dolphin etc but they had various issues so they were move out of plasma-next ppa13:26
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tigranHELLO ALL14:23
tigrandoes anybody know when will be released kubuntu 14.10????????????????????/14:23
sysop2LOL, 14.10 is a date.14:23
tigransorry what does mean is a date?14:24
sysop2sorry14:24
lordievadertigran: Today somewhere, subscribe to the Ubuntu Announce mailing list.14:24
tigranhow to subscribe?14:25
lordievadertigran: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-announce14:25
tigranthanks a lot14:25
mhall119valorie: shadeslayer: ping14:32
shadeslayermhall119: hiya14:33
mhall119shadeslayer: hey, I sent emails out a couple weeks ago looking for track leads for the next Ubuntu Online Summit, you were a lead last time, would you be available again this time?14:33
shadeslayerah yeah, moment14:34
mhall119or can you recommend someone from the Kubuntu community who would be able to?14:34
* shadeslayer needs to check dates14:34
mhall119I would also like a Kubuntu community track lead for the Users track too, since valorie isn't available this time around14:35
shadeslayerI really should start using a calendar :p14:35
mhall119I wouldn't recommend it, calendars are evil and tell you that you're busy all the time :)14:36
shadeslayermhall119: hehe :p14:40
ShalokShalom_http://i.imgur.com/5l5d3xy.png  http://i.imgur.com/Fu4cc9n.png [16:27] <ShalokShalom> cant reize the window to normal size14:40
shadeslayermhall119: yeah I'm available, I'll try to russle up something14:40
mhall119thanks shadeslayer14:46
shadeslayeryw :)14:46
ShalokShalom_ http://i.imgur.com/5l5d3xy.png  http://i.imgur.com/Fu4cc9n.png I cant reize the window to normal size14:56
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waffl3xI am starting fresh on my laptop, im going to be installing windows 7 and then kubuntu, are drivers automatically installed for kubuntu, as I noticed I didnt need to install drivers at all on my desktop when I installed kubuntu, or does it just retrieve them from windows?16:41
lordievaderwaffl3x: Jup, Ubuntu comes with a lot of drivers.16:42
waffl3xallright cool16:42
waffl3xdo you mind helping me figgure out what drivers I will need for my windows side?16:42
waffl3xI have the page for my drivers here http://support.asus.com/download.aspx?SLanguage=en&p=3&m=R500A16:42
BluesKajwaffl3x, ususally drivers for intel are the only ones that don't need upgrading, the nvidia and amd gpu driver do however unless you're happy with nouveau on nvidia16:42
waffl3xI dont even know what the EMI and Safety section of the drivers are16:43
lordievaderwaffl3x: Blegh, Windows.16:43
waffl3xI honestly wish I could ditch windows, but as far as I know, gaming will be much easier on windows16:44
waffl3xim not even sure if everything I play is possible on linux16:44
BluesKajlinux isn't really for serious gamers anyway16:44
lordievaderwaffl3x: I may seems anti-windows, but I'm not. I run Windows quite often ;)16:45
BluesKajget a playstation or xbox :)16:45
waffl3xpc master race bro16:45
waffl3xbesides, how would I play all those pc exclusives16:46
waffl3xso lordievader do you mind helping me go through that list? can I safely ignore the EMI and Safety section?16:46
BluesKajwell, dunno , I'm not a gamer16:47
lordievaderwaffl3x: In Windows it is just downloading the proper driver and hitting next quite a number of times. You should be able to do that ;)16:47
waffl3xI know that, I just cant figure out what some of this stuff is16:48
waffl3xI sent you the link to the drivers page for my laptop16:48
waffl3xtheres a lot of obviously not needed stuff there16:48
waffl3xdo you understand what I mean?16:48
lordievaderwaffl3x: Yeah. But what is not needed depends on what you use.16:49
waffl3xwell for starters16:49
waffl3xcould I likely skip everything in EMI and Safety (8)16:49
waffl3xand I know I need the lan driver for sure16:50
lordievaderwaffl3x: Lets move this over to #kubuntu-offtopic, it has nothing to do with Kubuntu support.16:50
waffl3xokay16:50
alexis_hello what is the stable software which is removed when installing plasma 5 preview ? is there a list somewhere ?16:50
lordievaderalexis_: Apt tells you.16:51
lordievaderalexis_: But to answer your question more specifically, if you install the ppa KDE4 gets replaced.16:51
alexis_okay so what about kmail for example ?16:52
lordievaderalexis_: Those things will likely be replaced by their KF5 counterparts if available. I'd say spin up a vm give it the plasma5 tech preview iso and see the differences for yourself.16:54
alexis_thanks, good idea16:54
wissamHi ,when kubutnu will be realeased ?16:58
lordievaderwissam: Depends, release notice has not been sent yet.16:58
wissami thought it will be realeased with ubuntu at the same time16:59
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lordievaderwissam: Should be.17:01
wissamok thnx17:01
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DarthFrogHey folks, can anyone tell me what I'm doing wrong?  I want to back-up my Calibre library to my NAS box.  I issue this command: "rsync -avvP --delete  .  rob@bb::rob/Calibre\ Library/"   But the rsync fails with: "rsync: mkdir "/Calibre Library" (in rob) failed: File exists"  Why is it failing?  It should update files in the directory, not create a new one.17:42
Phil__is 14.10 Online ?17:45
Riddell** Kubuntu 14.10 and Kubuntu Plasma5 14.10 Tech Preview is released http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-14.1018:37
lordievaderHooray :D18:38
rww(psst, /topic)18:51
mokushanybody upgraded to 14.10 from 14.04 just now? any issues?19:42
Okitainmokush: i am doing the upgrade now19:43
Okitainmokush: so far it's only 40% downloaded, so...19:43
mokushOkitain: with muon updater?19:43
Okitainmokush: nah, with the console thingy19:43
mokushI'll start upgrading as well. will you switch to plasma5?19:45
Okitainmokush: is it available? I'd grab it in a heartbeat.19:46
mokushyeah, you'll have to add the kubuntu-next ppa. http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-14.1019:46
Okitainmokush: Oh right! I'll probably just go with the 4.14 then at least until the upgrade finishes.19:47
mokushOkitain: yeah, only add the ppa after you're on 14.1019:47
Okitainmokush: oh god it's updating bible-time, now i am embarassed.19:48
jentoHello how i can look for kubuntu version i have19:49
jento?19:49
mokushOkitain: it send everything to canonical to build a jesus-loving-christian-linux-user profile for you, to send to your atheist boss19:49
soeejento: go System Settings  -> About System19:49
jentoi have 14.04 and i will upgrade to 14.10 Plasma519:50
jentohow i make des19:50
jentodise19:50
Okitainjento: see the upgrade guide19:50
soeeyup19:50
mokushjento: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UtopicUpgrades/Kubuntu19:51
mokushso, where's the release party?19:52
Okitainmokush: give them some credit, they are sleeping19:53
mokushOkitain: no sleep till brooklyn man19:53
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rbergI had to force remove kde-workspace-data to upgrade, this is probably becuase I have the kubuntu backports enabled and didn't use do-release-upgrade19:57
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mokushrberg: you used muon updater? it should also just run do-release-upgrade20:11
rbergno,  I used sed to change trusty to utopic,then did a dist-upgrade (I have used debian for a long time so thats how I do)20:12
vertago1_3 of 6 machines updated :)20:15
mokushvertago1_: any trouble?20:16
jss_Anyone else verify the sha256sums of the 14.10 ISOs from kubuntu.org?  My values do not match if the first time in years.20:17
vertago1_mokush: I had one that had some issues with phpmyadmin's database update. I am looking to see if I need to do anything about it20:18
vertago1_mokush: strangely 2 other machines did the same update with no problem20:19
mokushvertago1_: are you using -server?20:20
vertago1_mokush: on 2 out of the 6 machines, the rest are kubuntu20:20
mokushvertago1_: you have a real swarm going on20:21
vertago1_mokush: yeah, I do research that often requires processing large sets of network traces so it helps to have a lot of MIPS20:22
vertago1_mokush: it looks like the problem is mysql is failing to start, probably a system specific issue. I am looking into it20:23
mokushvertago1_: does that mean akonadi fails as well?20:24
vertago1_mokush: On my other machines mysql and akonadi work fine. That one I haven't logged into the UI yet.20:25
vertago1_*GUI20:25
vertago1_mokush: the problem is I deleted some files in the /var/lib/mysql directory a while back so I need to repair the folder. It isn't a problem with the release.20:29
mokushvertago1_: good news20:29
vertago1_mokush: I spoke too soon. I am still not sure what the problem is. I recreated the /var/lib/mysql folder. What is strange is I don't get any error messages when I try to run mysqld20:32
vertago1_mokush: it looks like it is actually an apparmor issue20:35
vertago1_mokush: nvm there is no denied is just an audit20:37
vertago1_mokush: just fixed it. I was right the first time. I needed to run sudo mysql_install_db --user=mysql --ldata=/var/lib/mysql/20:40
vertago1_mokush: akondai is working too20:42
vertago1_I am hoping the pulseaudio race condition is fixed in kubuntu 14.1020:43
Riddell** kubuntu interview in 8 mins at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zff4v6Ebe_020:53
lordievaderRiddell: An inteview with whom? You?20:55
vertago1_arg there is still a race condition somewhere at startup20:55
vertago1_brb for reboot20:57
soeegogo watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zff4v6Ebe_021:01
vertago1nice speech bubble21:02
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surendrahow to give proxy setting so that i can update kubuntu through terminal ??21:10
surendrai have to give username and password too21:10
surendrai am using in vmware21:11
bpromptsurendra:   http://askubuntu.com/questions/53146/how-do-i-get-add-apt-repository-to-work-through-a-proxy21:17
mokushso cops love free software21:17
vertago1now my fglrx is happy...21:19
metallicmokush, What do you mean?21:21
metallicdid I miss something? :/21:21
mokushmetallic: in the talk right now https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zff4v6Ebe_0 the guys pointed out that the french jandarmerie and other police units use linux/oss21:21
metallicmokush, so this comes out of the blue :/21:23
surendraand one more thing vi editors when i try to use arrow keys in insert mode it is printing A B C D??21:25
surendraeven backspace not working21:26
vertago1surendra: how does this look: http://vim.wikia.com/wiki/Fix_arrow_keys_that_display_A_B_C_D_on_remote_shell21:29
surendraohh thanks a lot21:30
mokushwhen installing kubuntu-plasma5-desktop in 14.10, should I switch to ssdm?21:36
vertago1that is the default when I installed the plasma5 beta on a vm21:36
mokushvertago1: thanks! I upgraded from 14.04 so I still had lightdm21:37
PibbleReally starting to not like WICD :[21:38
PibbleAnd I dont really feel the motivation to track down the issue21:38
vertago1strange my vm doesn't want to boot anymore21:38
CarlosCorreiaHi, The links for the torrent files (http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/utopic/release/kubuntu-14.10-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent) point to the ISO images21:59
Unit193Now that is odd.  Cloudfront.22:01
CarlosCorreiaAlso, after downloading the image, I couldn't installed it in a VM (virtualbox), as it crashes just after hiting enter...22:03
CarlosCorreiaanyone has any hint?22:03
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LinusTorvaldIIhi ubottu22:07
vertago1the link to the kubuntu14.10 http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/utopic/release/kubuntu-14.10-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent is redirecting to the iso. is that intentional?22:09
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vertago1it looks like virtualbox has issues running the kubuntu 14.10 live cd22:24
vertago1on kubuntu 14.1022:24
CarlosCorreia+vertago1 same here (both)22:30
vertago1CarlosCorreia: I was able to fix it by updating the extension pack: http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/4.3.18/Oracle_VM_VirtualBox_Extension_Pack-4.3.18-96516.vbox-extpack22:32
vertago1CarlosCorreia: if the graphics glitch for you; you can hit right-ctrl and F1 then right-ctrl and F7 to get it to reload22:34
vertago1I am trying to setup a test platform for plasma 522:36
ScottyKGreetings! Anybody have a link to the torrents? the URL for the torrents on the official page link to the actual ISO's, and not the torrent22:47
vertago1yeah22:48
vertago1ScottyK: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/14.10/release/kubuntu-14.10-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent22:48
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ScottyKThanks!!22:49
vertago1ScottyK: no problem22:49
Waffl3xhow much space do I need for /?23:22
PibbleAll the spaces!23:23
Waffl3xalso, which partition should be primary?23:23
Waffl3xwelcome back DarthFrog23:31
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