[10:27] <Fudge> it sure is neet
[10:32] <Engimal> Hello, could I have some help? :)
[10:53] <mirror> Hello! I have a problem on fresh install of Lubuntu 14.04. It's about my wireless hidden network. now when i create wireless network it shows it on the list it finds it and connects to it but cannot use any network tools and says cannot connect to internet etc
[10:54] <mirror> does anybody have any ideas how to solve this?
[10:56] <hateball> iirc network-manager cant handle hidden networks properly
[11:01] <mirror> aha will there be a fix or i should make a report to the Lubuntu
[11:03] <mirror> thank you for your time will report it to lubuntu
[13:41] <pese> anyone know what time 14.10 final is being released?
[13:47] <zy3pD> is 14.10 already released?
[14:00] <pese> not last I checked
[14:02] <pese> seems released now: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/utopic/release/lubuntu-14.10-desktop-amd64.iso
[14:04] <pese> torrent: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/14.10/release/lubuntu-14.10-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent
[14:09] <zy3pD> thx pese ... really hidden link. i only found betas (also on lubuntu.net)
[15:47] <Ahmuck> 14.10 out today?
[16:10] <sheena1> My laptop keeps suspending/powering down on inactivity, and I can't find a setting to fix that. Lubuntu 14.04, any ideas?
[16:11] <Ahmuck> yes.  change the power setting
[16:12] <Ahmuck> Menu --> Preferences --> Power Manager
[16:12] <sheena1> where is this setting? i have tried changing the setting in Preferences - Power Manager (brings up XFCE Power Manager Settings) and all is set to NEVER but it still suspends
[16:13] <Ahmuck> is it the computer going into suspend or the monitor blanking?
[16:14] <sheena1> it goes blank and comes up with the lock login sreen when i use the keyboard/mouse to resume it.. but the problem is that it suspends my uploads so i cannot leave it running to upload while i'm away from it.
[16:15] <Ahmuck> on power or on battery?
[16:15] <sheena1> both.
[16:19] <Ahmuck> So ... you have under AC and On Battery ... Actions --> BAttery Power is Critical = Nothing, When laptop lid is closed = Nothing, Put the computer to sleep when inactive for: = Never, Monitor: Put display to sleep when computer is inactive for: Never, Switch off dispaly when computer is inactive for" = Never, Extended: Set computer activity mode: Set monitor sleep mode, Lock screen when going for suspend/hibernate
[16:20] <Ahmuck> if it were me and i was trying to retain power i would set everything to never.  if it continued to do the same thing than it is not a setting in the power manager
[16:20] <sheena1> I have Battery power is critical - suspend
[16:21] <Ahmuck> i wonder if you need to check the extended settings
[16:21] <sheena1> I have set everything to never now, will see if it makes a difference
[16:21] <sheena1> set inactivity sleep mode is suspend, it's my only option
[16:21] <sheena1> monitor sleep mode has standby and suspend, its set to stantby
[16:21] <sheena1> low power is set at 10%
[16:21] <sheena1> lock screen is unchecked
[16:22] <Ahmuck> my power monitor shouts critical at me when i have 1 hour left on my battery time.  my batter time is 3.75 hours at a time
[16:22] <Ahmuck> you might uncheck prefer power savings over performance
[16:22] <sheena1> i almost never run on battery
[16:22] <tumbler> hi guys
[16:22] <sheena1> do you know where to change brightness settings, by the way? i cant fifure that out either :(
[16:23] <Ahmuck> i guess the point i am trying to make is ... set things so that there is no option to suspend and see if you are getting the suspension issue then.
[16:23] <sheena1> will do
[16:23] <Ahmuck> brightness settings in that it powers down the display brightness after a while?
[16:24] <tumbler> how can i add a personal menu on mouse riht when i click on desktop???
[16:24] <Ahmuck> tumbler, describe?  a personal menu on the mouse?
[16:24] <sheena1> no, that i can set it to be less bright when it's dark in my room, and as bright as normal when its daylight
[16:24] <Ahmuck> most laptops have function keys that will do that
[16:24] <tumbler> like openbox
[16:25] <tumbler> or fluxbox
[16:25] <Ahmuck> sheena1, you might look at light locking option on preferences as well
[16:26] <Ahmuck> tumbler, u might need a different panel.
[16:26] <tumbler> for exemple?
[16:27] <tumbler> couldn't i set a shortcut key?
[16:28] <Ahmuck> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1653987
[16:28] <sheena1> disable lightlocker?
[16:28] <sheena1> Ahmuck: this is for the suspend issue, not the brightness, right?
[16:28] <Ahmuck> tumbler, i would search for "use openbox desktop menu on lubuntu".
[16:29] <Ahmuck> light locker is for your suspend issue
[16:30] <sheena1> ok. i have disabled it. will see if it helps
[16:30] <sheena1> any idea on brightness adjust?
[16:30] <Ahmuck> my observation of lxde (which is what ubuntu is based upon) is it is a conglomerate of programs used to create a desktop.  this is why you have xfce power manager in lxde (amongst other things)
[16:31] <sheena1> right, that makes sense.
[16:31] <Ahmuck> http://askubuntu.com/questions/490068/how-to-adjust-brightness-on-lubuntu
[16:32] <phillw> we did not re-invent the wheel, xcfe power manager works well and is maintained :)
[16:32] <Ahmuck> iirc light locker is a new member to the family.  this may mean you have more than one program trying to control the settings (maybe).
[16:32] <Ahmuck> i found this out the hard way with language
[16:33] <phillw> you may find it is a BIOS / acpi issue. I can use my Fn keys for brightness.
[16:34] <sheena1> phillw: any idea how to check or fix it?
[16:34] <ianorlin> or you could install xbacklight to change brightness to work around
[16:34] <ianorlin> then you can set it to  specific level rather than just changing it
[16:34] <ianorlin> read the man page for more info on how to do it
[16:34] <phillw> +1
[16:34] <sheena1> http://pastebin.com/cuzzVvdu
[16:34] <ianorlin> and xbacklight is added to 14.10 by default
[16:35] <sheena1> ianorlin: when is the upgrade available?
[16:35] <ianorlin> not quite sure
[16:35] <ianorlin> you can still install it on trusty
[16:35] <Ahmuck> the link i just gave you gives you a link to xbacklight
[16:35] <phillw> sheena1: very soon, mirrors are being updated
[16:35] <Ahmuck> 14.10 is available today
[16:36] <Ahmuck> er, now
[16:36] <phillw> Ahmuck: not yet :)
[16:36] <sheena1> xbacklight doesnt seem to have any effect
[16:36] <Ahmuck> i just downloaded 14.10
[16:37] <phillw> Ahmuck: you downloaded the Release Candidate.
[16:37] <sheena1> $ xbacklight -get                  gives me             0.000000
[16:37] <Ahmuck> that is not what the description indicates
[16:37] <ianorlin> it should be xbaclkight -set
[16:37] <Ahmuck> the description is lubntu-14.10-alternate-i386.iso
[16:37] <sheena1> i tried set and it did nothing
[16:38] <sheena1> -get should tell me the current brightness, says the man file
[16:38] <phillw> Ahmuck: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker
[16:38] <Ahmuck> currently with 1 or 2 peers
[16:38] <Ahmuck> on the torrent, faster if you go direct.
[16:38] <Ahmuck> here, let me get a link
[16:39] <phillw> Ahmuck: it is not released, get as many links as you want :D
[16:39] <Ahmuck> http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/14.10/release/
[16:39] <phillw> people love to jump the gun...
[16:39] <Ahmuck> *shrugs* it downloaded or your descriptions are wrong
[16:39] <Ahmuck> on the website
[16:40] <Ahmuck> oops, i see
[16:40] <Ahmuck> is release = release canidate or release
[16:40] <phillw> Mirrors are being synced. until that happens release is not live.
[16:41] <Ahmuck> why did it download then?
[16:42] <phillw> as soon as mirrors sync'd should be good to go :) But, until the release team make the announcement it is not released. e.g. kubuntu was only marked as ready an hour or so ago.
[16:42] <phillw> ubuntu shortly after that.
[16:43] <Ahmuck> so the description for the iso i downloaded is wrong?
[16:43] <Ahmuck> cause i'm installing it now and i will now in about 10 min
[16:44] <phillw> if from cdimages, you *should* be fine.
[16:45] <Ahmuck> what is the difference?
[16:45] <phillw> as soon as we get the okay, all the wiki pages can be invoked.
[16:45] <Ahmuck> are you saying it is not available via download button on the wiki until u get the ok?
[16:45] <phillw> Ahmuck: the mirrors across the globe need syncing
[16:46] <phillw> Ahmuck: indeed, that page is Release+1 :)
[16:46] <Ahmuck> msg ?
[16:47] <phillw> Ahmuck: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Developers/PrePostReleaseTODO#At_Release
[16:47] <Ahmuck> phillw, pm
[16:47] <phillw> sure
[16:50] <garbonzo> hi all
[16:50] <Gl4di4t0r> Version 14.10 doesn't work in Virtualbox :(
[16:51] <garbonzo> please can someone advise on a laptop not rebooting properly in lubuntu?
[16:51] <phillw> Gl4di4t0r: that should be fixed, let me go find the bug.
[16:53] <Ahmuck> garbonzo, ping
[16:53] <Ahmuck> garbonzo, explain further
[16:53] <Ahmuck> Gl4di4t0r, it is working in VB
[16:53] <garbonzo> hi ahmuck. it's an ancient toughbook cf-18, graphics driver i915
[16:53] <garbonzo> when i reboot it does the shutdown part properly, just doesn't restart
[16:54] <phillw> Gl4di4t0r: bug 1380005
[16:54] <Ahmuck> garbonzo, version?
[16:54] <Gl4di4t0r> I rest my case ;)
[16:54] <garbonzo> 14.04
[16:55] <Ahmuck> garbonzo, upgrading an option?
[16:56] <garbonzo> to 14.10 or a new laptop? :-)
[16:56] <Ahmuck> to 14.10 :)
[16:56] <garbonzo> could do i suppose
[16:56] <garbonzo> what's the distro upgrade command again? getting old ;-)
[16:56] <Ahmuck> sometimes I found rather than fighting a problem trying the newer release will fix something
[16:57] <garbonzo> very true
[16:57] <Ahmuck> granted, it sometimes breaks things as well
[16:57] <garbonzo> that's half the fun
[16:58] <phillw> garbonzo: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu#Upgrading_from_last_release :)
[16:59] <phillw> just waiting for the fat lady to sing :D
[17:00] <garbonzo> right, here goes nuffink. will see you all on the other side of the distro upgrade!
[17:04] <Ahmuck> is there a reset to defaults options on xfce power manager?
[17:04] <Ahmuck> or for that mattter, any program?
[17:05] <sheena1> syntax in bash... i have a txt file that is a list of links i want to open in firefox..
[17:05] <sheena1> for i in test2.txt; do firefox i
[17:05] <sheena1> that is wrong obivously
[17:06] <sheena1> cause it just opens 'i' lol
[17:14] <garbonzo> no joy...
[17:15] <garbonzo> ...when's 14.10 out please?
[17:16] <genii> Sometime later today
[17:16] <garbonzo> excellent
[17:16] <phillw>  And... we're live!!!
[17:16] <garbonzo> wow, that's it ready then?
[17:17] <phillw> yup
[17:17] <garbonzo> congrats, well done and all that
[17:17] <phillw> just doing the housework
[17:17] <Ahmuck> heh, already have it installed
[17:17] <Ahmuck> :p
[17:26] <Ahmuck> has lubuntu always installed humanity-icon-theme?
[17:28] <zy3pD> think so
[17:30] <zy3pD> when i wake up my pc, nm-applet says that network is deactivated, but service networking is running, how to solve it?
[17:31] <Ahmuck> odd, i'm on the same release and i often move between sections of town and never have to re-activate my network, it's like i never left
[17:31] <Ahmuck> zy3pD, version?
[17:32] <zy3pD> Ahmuck, 14.04
[17:32] <Ahmuck> the network service is running though?
[17:34] <Ahmuck> ghost message?  after coming out of suspend the message still gets sent?
[17:34] <Ahmuck> bbl, checking snail mail
[17:39] <phillw> can some one idiot check https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntu for me. had to add in 14.04 LTS !!
[17:45] <garbonzo> defo showing the 14.10 page version
[17:46] <garbonzo> how long before software updater picks it up, assuming i've set it to notify immediately?
[17:58] <phillw> update notifier usually trips in the early hours as a job. you can manually ask for an update
[17:59] <phillw> garbonzo: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu#Upgrading_from_last_release
[17:59] <Ahmuck> 14.10 is running in Vbox as I type
[17:59] <garbonzo> yup, i did the cli command and it returned that no new release was available
[18:00] <phillw> Ahmuck: it was fixed, I chased the failure in virt-manager (KVM)
[18:00] <phillw> garbonzo: then things have not fully filtered through yet. be patient :)
[18:01] <garbonzo> what is this "patient" of which you speak? :-)
[18:01] <Ahmuck> does not appear to be anything new
[18:01] <Ahmuck> something i would like to see, is software selection upon install
[18:01] <Ahmuck> for example, i dump abiword and gnumeric in favor of libreoffice
[18:02] <joppe> what if you uninstall them, it says remove lubuntu-desktop
[18:02] <joppe> what then happens, i dont know
[18:02] <garbonzo> would be great to have that as a software preferences profile on a usb stick...
[18:03] <Ahmuck> i do anyway
[18:03] <Ahmuck> joppe,
[18:03] <joppe> yes
[18:04] <Ahmuck> garbonzo, software preferences as in software selection preferences or software config preferences and data?
[18:09] <Ahmuck> x /home/user/.config
[18:09] <garbonzo> more the software selection... would be good to always have, for example, focuswriter, geany, xchat, build-essentials...
[18:09] <Ahmuck> x /home/user/.local
[18:09] <Ahmuck> upon installation
[18:10] <Ahmuck> i have a script that i run that purges "junk" and installs my "stuff"
[18:10] <Ahmuck> after install
[18:10] <Ahmuck> but having it pre install would be nice
[18:12] <Ahmuck> something i would like to see and am hoping to instigate is a more standards compliant distro.  be it via modification scripts or otherwise.  you would have a script for each program (ie firefox) that would put the configs in /home/user/.config, the data in /home/user/.local/app, user icons in /home/user/.icons, etc.
[18:12] <Ahmuck> as well as system wide configs in system wide config directories according to accepted standards
[18:14] <garbonzo> cool
[18:15] <Ahmuck> software really needs more transparency and configurability in these areas by putting the configs and data back into the hands of the user where they can find them easily
[18:18] <joppe> well my question is, if i remove some programs it says remove lubuntu-desktop, what it means?
[18:23] <Ahmuck> i've done it without problems
[18:24] <Ahmuck> which is not to say you might have problems, simply i've always done it without problems
[18:24] <joppe> so ican remove transmission, because im usin qbittorrent, its safe?
[18:27] <Ahmuck> like i said, it did not change anything for me.  are you familiar with aptitude?  i use aptitude to see what it removes.
[18:27] <joppe> well i remove via command line and bleachbit does rest :)
[18:31] <Ahmuck> i wish i had something like that to set configuration for major programs
[20:09] <Gamara_> Hello, I have this screen popping up before booting on a macbook 1,1 (Tech specs here: http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/macbook/specs/macbook_2.0_white.html ), the error message is here: http://i.imgur.com/Mst8esn.jpg?1 , http://i.imgur.com/4uNGE2C.jpg?1 is this anything I should be concerned about? I have had one hard freeze since using this operating system.
[20:09] <Gamara_> I'm running lubuntu 14.04.1
[20:10] <silverlion> Gamara_ : you might want to talk to wxl
[20:10] <wxl> someone needs mac help?
[20:10] <silverlion> he is our mac expert ;)
[20:11] <Gamara_> yeah I was just curious about this error message I'm getting at boot would you like to repost the information?
[20:11] <Gamara_> like me*
[20:11] <wxl> i see
[20:12] <wxl> i wouldn't be too concerned Gamara_
[20:12] <wxl> which version Gamara_ ?
[20:12] <Gamara_> lubuntu 14.04.1
[20:12] <Gamara_> is what I'm currently usng
[20:12] <Gamara_> using*
[20:13] <wxl> Gamara_: when the freeze happened did you run out of resources? could you get to a virtual terminal?
[20:13] <Gamara_> I didn't try
[20:14] <Gamara_> The laptop currently has 2gb of ram
[20:14] <Gamara_> not 512
[20:14] <Gamara_> I just hard reset it I really should learn how to shut it down properly on hard freeze
[20:16] <wxl> Gamara_: you should monitor whether or not you're running out of cpu or ram. you should also watch temperatures and see if that's the problem. if you do get a freeze, you should try using virtual terminals and/or ssh to see if the machine is still alive. if it is, restarting the lightdm service should get you a working gui again. at that point, you should check your /var/log/Xorg.0.log for errors. might be a driver issue.
[20:16] <wxl> Gamara_: if you can narrow it down to a particular problem, then you can run ubuntu-bug against it. might want to see if /var/log/syslog or dmesg has any errors in it. that may help.
[20:17] <Gamara_> how do I do this sorry I'm pretty noob with ubuntu/lubuntu
[20:18] <wxl> Gamara_: you can use indicators in lxpanel to tell you about cpu and ram and temperature
[20:18] <Gamara_> and thank you for the help it is much appreciated
[20:19] <wxl> Gamara_: virtual terminals can be accessed typically with ctrl-alt-f1. i think on mac that's ctrl-fn-command-f1 or something of the sort. you have to play around with it
[20:19] <Gamara_> alright I will try it out
[20:20] <wxl> Gamara_: these terminals exists outside the graphical context so if you CAN get a working terminal, you have a problem with the GUI
[20:20] <wxl> Gamara_: that's usually a driver problem
[20:20] <Gamara_> it is ctrl-alt-fn-f1
[20:21] <wxl> Gamara_: as a general rule, everything logs to /var/log
[20:21] <wxl> Gamara_: syslog and dmesg cover general system issues
[20:21] <wxl> Gamara_: Xorg.0.log is specifically about the x server (the gui)
[20:21] <wxl> Gamara_: you also might look in /var/crash
[20:21] <Gamara_> alright what command do I use to exit virtual terminal
[20:22] <wxl> Gamara_: go to virtual terminal 7
[20:22] <wxl> Gamara_: note that if you are maxing out your cpu, your temperatures will usually go up and in the case of a laptop, this often means a total freeze and/or hard shutdown
[20:23] <Gamara_> what do you suggest the best widget/application for monitoring temperature is?
[20:23] <wxl> Gamara_: if you max out ram you can either get the out of memory killer (apparently) randomly shutting down processes or you can get what seems like a total freeze
[20:23] <wxl> Gamara_: whatever's in lxpanel is usually sufficient
[20:23] <Gamara_> alright thanks
[20:24] <wxl> Gamara_: also the task manager can give you a good sense of things
[20:29] <Gamara_> alright so look at, /var/crash, /var/log/Xorg.0.log, dmesg for errors after a hard freeze or right now? If I narrow it down I can post it to ubuntu bug report or whatever its called
[20:30] <wxl> Gamara_: yes. if you need help with interpreting them, let us know. and the tool is "ubuntu-bug"
[20:30] <wxl> !bugs | Gamara_
[20:30] <wxl> i wonder
[20:30] <wxl> !logs
[20:30] <wxl> no no
[20:31] <wxl> !logfiles
[20:31] <wxl> nope
[20:31] <wxl> !log
[20:31] <wxl> bah
[20:31] <wxl> here Gamara_ https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LinuxLogFiles
[20:31] <Gamara_> ok ok thanks
[20:31] <phillw> ha ha
[20:35] <Gamara_> I turned on the lxpanel temperature monitor and im getting -273 C lol
[21:11] <Gamara_> ok my computer is being weird mouse moves around but is stuck as a hand gripped, I cant click on anything
[21:12] <Gamara_> this all happened after try to drag a file out of extractor or whatever that app is called
[21:12] <Gamara_> I cant click anything and the keyboard doesnt seem to be working
[21:12] <Gamara_> how do I shut down my computer from virtual terminal
[21:12] <Gamara_> on 14.04
[21:14] <phillw> Gamara_: get a terminal session running https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[21:14] <Gamara_> nvm im dumb
[21:14] <Gamara_> fixed it
[21:14] <phillw> kk :)
[21:14] <Gamara_> ty though
[22:02] <honestemu> I have 4 workspaces. I click CTRL+ALT+<- or CTRL+ALT+-> to switch to an adjacent workspace. How do I jump to a specific workspace?
[22:34] <dust> hi
[22:35] <LinusTorvaldII> hows it goin dust
[22:35] <dust> any idea why it isnt possible to receive files here in irc with pidgin?
[22:36] <dust> after a working upgrade always better :D
[23:53] <garbonzo> took over an hour on this old clunker, but now running the new release. Thanks devs!