| smoser | slangasek, i'm pretty sure its /run . | 00:35 |
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| smoser | which is blocked on the mounting of / | 00:35 |
| smoser | but somehow on intel this works. | 00:35 |
| smoser | ie, the change that caused this failure was | 00:38 |
| smoser | /etc/init/cloud-init-local.conf | 00:38 |
| smoser | - start on mounted MOUNTPOINT=/ | 00:38 |
| smoser | +start on mounted MOUNTPOINT=/ and mounted MOUNTPOINT=/run | 00:38 |
| slangasek | smoser: mmm. Remind me the intended semantics of /etc/init/cloud-init-local.conf? You don't /want/ to block the filesystem events from returning, right, you just want cloud-init-local to run only after / and /run are mounted? | 02:12 |
| slangasek | smoser: did you ever try 'start on mounted MOUNTPOINT=/ and virtual-filesystems'? | 02:12 |
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| jamespage | doko: done (subscriptions) | 07:22 |
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| wouter | hi -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UtopicUnicorn/ReleaseSchedule suggests Utopic is to be released today. Is that still on schedule? | 07:48 |
| mitya57 | wouter: yes! | 07:52 |
| wouter | okay, thanks | 07:54 |
| hyperair | argh is the archive broken? | 09:07 |
| hyperair | my upgrade crashed out | 09:07 |
| hyperair | i've been running aptitude full-upgrade, and still have 1200+ packages to install | 09:07 |
| hyperair | at least it's progress ¬_¬" | 09:07 |
| flexiondotorg | Is it too late to request some sync requests from Debian? | 09:16 |
| flexiondotorg | There are some upstream fixes that landed in Debian a few hours ago for MATE. | 09:17 |
| hyperair | is that in main or universe? | 09:18 |
| hyperair | i think you can still request syncs for universe packages even after final freeze | 09:19 |
| flexiondotorg | hyperair, universe | 09:19 |
| hyperair | at least, it won't be impacting the iso images | 09:19 |
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| pitti | cjwatson: argh, because I can't type; new one coming | 12:21 |
| pitti | nemo: you can use apport-unpack on the .crash file (see manpage) | 12:25 |
| nemo | pitti: ah. thanks | 12:28 |
| nemo | pitti: fortunately it turned out to be really really really easy to reproduce so they didn't need the bt | 12:28 |
| nemo | but I'll remember that | 12:28 |
| nemo | pitti: hm. where *is* the .crash ? | 12:29 |
| pitti | nemo: aside from that, the .crash is just a plain text file, so it's quite human readable | 12:29 |
| pitti | nemo: /var/crash/ | 12:29 |
| nemo | pitti: oh nice. yeah. I can just copy and paste this | 12:33 |
| nemo | pitti: shame I couldn't just ctrl-c from the tool, but that might just be a limitation of the gtk widget | 12:33 |
| pitti | nemo: there's a nice close button in the window title bar :) | 12:34 |
| nemo | pitti: oh, I just mean if I ever run into an ubuntu user who hits a crash in our stuff, would be nice if I could just tell them to ctrl-c | 12:36 |
| nemo | but. nbd for me, that /var/crash thing is pretty much perfect | 12:36 |
| pitti | ctrl-c is spelled "Cancel" in GTK | 12:37 |
| nemo | hm. | 12:37 |
| nemo | that's how you copy in a fair number of gtk apps | 12:37 |
| nemo | in fact, some, like gedit/pluma don't even let you use the X copy ಠ_ಠ | 12:38 |
| nemo | pitti: oh. btw, if you're curious about the crash, it is kinda funny. http://www.fnordware.com/j2k/jp2samples.html save the jp2 link to a MATE 1.8 or 1.10 desktop and you'll get an infinite series of crashes and respawns of caja | 12:38 |
| nemo | pitti: assertion in jp2 decoder - looks like they decided to move thumbnail generation into caja instead of keeping it in a separate process | 12:39 |
| nemo | presumably for performance | 12:39 |
| nemo | I mentioned it in #MATE so hopefully someone will fix it soon-ish | 12:39 |
| nemo | only way to make it stop infinitely crashing and respawning is to move the image off the desktop | 12:39 |
| nemo | I guess they could change the assertions to just aborting the thumbnail creation, but given how nutty image formats can be, thinking keeping this in a dedicated process might be safer in the long run. ah well. | 12:41 |
| flexiondotorg | nemo, I am on the MATE team. Whats up. | 12:42 |
| nemo | flexiondotorg: oh. are you in #MATE ? I mentioned it last night there and has been quiet since | 12:43 |
| nemo | flexiondotorg: but. what I mentioned above. http://www.fnordware.com/j2k/jp2samples.html | 12:43 |
| nemo | save the JP2 link to the Desktop results in infinite series of crashes of caja due to an assertion in jp2_dec | 12:43 |
| flexiondotorg | Yep. | 12:43 |
| * flexiondotorg goes testing in a VM... | 12:44 | |
| nemo | flexiondotorg: I nattered on a bit in there about how screwed up image/video (and audio) decoding can be, and how this is probably best kept out of important user stuff | 12:44 |
| nemo | flexiondotorg: thumbnailer could be a dedicated process and such | 12:44 |
| flexiondotorg | nemo, Confirmed. | 12:45 |
| flexiondotorg | If you save it anywhere and view that folder it will crash Caja. Obvoiusly on the Desktop that create a burning fireball of death. | 12:47 |
| nemo | flexiondotorg: yeah. I figured anywhere would work too | 12:47 |
| nemo | flexiondotorg: I'd initially tried gdb --args caja /tmp | 12:47 |
| nemo | but, was too much of a pain to keep my main caja from taking over | 12:47 |
| nemo | that's why I dropped by here to find out how to get a trace from apport instead | 12:48 |
| flexiondotorg | nemo, apport trpped it in my VM. | 12:48 |
| nemo | yep | 12:48 |
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| smoser | slangasek, wrt semantics of cloud-init-local. i want to block. | 12:50 |
| smoser | and i think virtual-filesystems would not block. | 12:50 |
| slangasek | smoser: right; and it doesn't work so well to block both events when one might be dependent on the other | 12:51 |
| nemo | flexiondotorg: by getting a trace from apport, I mean, I couldn't figure out how to copy a trace out of apport-gtk - that's why I came to #ubuntu-devel and was told how to find the text in /var/crashes | 12:51 |
| nemo | er. /var/crash | 12:51 |
| flexiondotorg | nemo, What thumbnailer is used on your system? | 12:52 |
| nemo | flexiondotorg: ummmmm. well, this is caja 1.8.1 so I'm gonna guess that the crash means the thumbnailer is caja | 12:53 |
| nemo | flexiondotorg: but in older versions and in gnome2, it was a separate process | 12:53 |
| nemo | gnome thumbnailer or something | 12:53 |
| smoser | slangasek, but why are they dependenton another ? | 12:53 |
| smoser | other than /run not existing (which it does). | 12:53 |
| nemo | flexiondotorg: for a large directory of images there was noticeable lag, probably due to repeated process respawn | 12:53 |
| nemo | flexiondotorg: I'm guessing that's why they decided to move it in-process | 12:53 |
| nemo | flexiondotorg: 'course that makes handling bad code a bit more interesting. | 12:54 |
| nemo | flexiondotorg: a single dedicated process that could be passed urls might be a compromise | 12:54 |
| smoser | slangasek, this would make sense to me, and i wouldn't have done the thing if it didnt work in intel. | 12:54 |
| nemo | flexiondotorg: perhaps easier than ensuring all image parsing is rigorous and safe - over the years it seems image parsing is constantly a source of insanity, esp for obscure formats, or effed up ones like TIFF | 12:55 |
| nemo | flexiondotorg: and, yeah, my recollection from messing around w/ AMP back in the day is that MP3 is just as much of a pain (the headers that is). HTML is bad too - basically any format w/ a ton of implementers and a bit too broad a spec | 12:56 |
| barry | lool: this is kind of old, but LP: #1276347 | 13:05 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1276347 in ubuntu-download-manager (Ubuntu) "Some files are never downloaded (while under test)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1276347 | 13:05 |
| roadmr | cjwatson: hey! I see ldlinux.c32 is now in the utopic netboot directory in archive.ubuntu.com, but according to my tests, 2 more files are also needed libcom32.c32 and libutil.c32, is it possible to also put them there? | 13:07 |
| cjwatson | roadmr: the Debian bug indicated that that was unnecessary because they are now found by a path search | 13:08 |
| cjwatson | we should dig into that if it is not in fact true | 13:08 |
| cjwatson | roadmr: but I cannot deal with this right now, I'm working on releasing 14.10 | 13:08 |
| cjwatson | please hold until later | 13:09 |
| roadmr | cjwatson: oh ok, I'll test that, and no problem, I can wait. Release yay, thanks! | 13:10 |
| exarkun | Any chance anyone can comment one way or the other on whether the fix for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/1274779 will ever appear in 14.04 or 14.10? | 13:17 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 1274779 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu) "[ivb] hang on pageflip (IPEHR: 0x0a000001 or 0x0a080001 depending on pipe)" [High,Fix committed] | 13:17 |
| tjaalton | exarkun: what fix? upstream bug says it should be reopened | 13:36 |
| tjaalton | ah, fixed in 3.17.. you'll have to wait for that | 13:37 |
| tjaalton | unless the fixes are marked for stable@ | 13:37 |
| exarkun | tjaalton: It sounds like that means it won't be backported. Is my understanding correct? | 13:46 |
| exarkun | tjaalton: The fix will appear in whatever release of Ubuntu packages Linux 3.17, and not before? | 13:46 |
| Pwnna | has anyone have issues with cryptsetup in 14.04? | 13:48 |
| Pwnna | uhm. 14.10 | 13:48 |
| tjaalton | exarkun: otherwise someone needs to backport it to 3.13/3.16 | 13:54 |
| exarkun | tjaalton: Thanks. | 14:04 |
| rsalveti | pitti: hey, were you the one complaining about rtm for emulator? | 14:54 |
| rsalveti | it seems to be broken | 14:54 |
| rsalveti | unity-system-compositor is a defunct process here | 14:55 |
| pitti | rsalveti: yeah, we sat next to each other when I noticed :) | 15:02 |
| pitti | rsalveti: oh sorry, actually not -- that was sergiusens | 15:02 |
| rsalveti | pitti: yeah :-) | 15:02 |
| rsalveti | pitti: I think I got what is wrong | 15:02 |
| pitti | rsalveti: so I used ubuntu utoppic, that one still works (older unity or so) | 15:02 |
| pitti | rsalveti: in rtm, unity failed with some EGL_BLAH error | 15:02 |
| rsalveti | pitti: yeah | 15:02 |
| rsalveti | pitti: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/186134877/glibc_2.19-10ubuntu1_2.19-10ubuntu2.diff.gz | 15:02 |
| rsalveti | this is the reason | 15:02 |
| sergiusens | EGL_BAD_MATCH | 15:02 |
| rsalveti | I'm copying that over to rtm | 15:03 |
| pitti | 'zactly | 15:03 |
| pitti | rsalveti: oh, awesome | 15:03 |
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| mdeslaur | slangasek: so, reinstalled and didn't check the "download updates" box, and it still downloaded a whole bunch of updates during install :P | 15:48 |
| mdeslaur | pretty curious | 15:48 |
| slangasek | hmmm | 15:49 |
| mdeslaur | just FYI | 15:49 |
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| mdeslaur | I'll file a bug | 15:49 |
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| slangasek | smoser: so what is the root filesystem device as listed in /etc/fstab, for your success vs. failure cases? | 16:26 |
| slangasek | smoser: I see root=/dev/vda on the kernel commandline for both, but maybe /etc/fstab differs | 16:27 |
| slangasek | smoser: in particular, if ppc64el lists something UUID= ish, mountall doesn't resolve that until udev announces the device's presence, which won't happen until virtual-filesystems is emitted | 16:27 |
| smoser | slangasek, both success and failure | 16:28 |
| smoser | $ cat /etc/fstab | 16:29 |
| smoser | LABEL=cloudimg-rootfs / ext4 defaults 0 0 | 16:29 |
| smoser | seemingly no change when i 'sed s,LABEL=cloudimg-rootfs,/dev/vda, /etc/fstab' | 16:30 |
| doko | jamespage, can the neutron-plugin-nuage neutron-plugin-opencontrail neutron-plugin-sriov-agent ceilometer-agent-ipmi be demoted? if not please seed | 16:31 |
| jamespage | doko, they can indeed | 16:32 |
| jamespage | be demoted that is | 16:32 |
| doko | ok | 16:32 |
| smoser | wait. strike that comment. | 16:32 |
| smoser | well. i had failed to actualy make the change. but the change doesn't seem to have affect. | 16:33 |
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| zerick | Has anybody used travis-ci.org to build debian packages ? | 17:46 |
| geofft | zerick: paulproteus has some scripts to use pbuilder at https://github.com/paulproteus/travis-debcheck | 17:47 |
| geofft | haven't played with them myself. I hear they're incredibly fragile but also work way better than you'd expect | 17:47 |
| geofft | the use case is automated testing, not actually distributing the packages to anyone. | 17:48 |
| zerick | I see | 17:53 |
| slangasek | smoser: hmm ok | 18:03 |
| smoser | maybe its a rathole. | 18:05 |
| smoser | but i'm stuck on why this would be different per arch. | 18:05 |
| smoser | it could just be race condition and luck on intel i guess. | 18:05 |
| slangasek | smoser: is udev running at the point it gets stuck? | 18:18 |
| smoser | slangasek, you have a suggestion on how to know that ? | 18:24 |
| slangasek | smoser: hack the system to open a root shell somewhere that you can get access to it (VT?) in early boot | 18:26 |
| zbenjamin | tedg: ping | 18:28 |
| smoser | slangasek, not terribly easily. i'm just going to add a start on started job. and sleep N, then start printing debug info | 18:29 |
| tedg | zbenjamin, Howdy | 18:30 |
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| slangasek | smoser: so on the x86 machine you're passing 'ro' on the commandline, but not on the power one? | 18:52 |
| smoser | same on both. | 18:53 |
| smoser | passing 'rw' "fixes" | 18:54 |
| smoser | slangasek, http://paste.ubuntu.com/8644088/ | 18:55 |
| pitti | mvo_: I filed bug 1384864 about what we talked about this morning | 18:55 |
| ubottu | bug 1384864 in command-not-found (Ubuntu Vivid) "Please blacklist pg_ctl" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1384864 | 18:55 |
| smoser | that is with 'my-debug.conf' providing the debug output there (http://paste.ubuntu.com/8644091/) | 18:55 |
| mvo_ | pitti: thanks, added and I am running the extraction again | 18:59 |
| pitti | mvo_: danke! | 19:04 |
| pitti | infinity: \o/ | 19:05 |
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| zbenjamin | tedg: already solved, we talked in the coffee break about the UbuntuAppLaunch python typelib | 22:03 |
| Mirv | doko: were you interested in gdb bugs as well? my vague memory served me poorly, but the "gcc" bug I mentioned was actually gdb bug #1332484. still there in utopic though, so there's nothing to backport. | 22:21 |
| ubottu | bug 1332484 in gdb (Ubuntu) "GDB Demangler crashes in 14.10 and 14.04" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1332484 | 22:21 |
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