[00:15] <daftykins> diddledan_: the one that's in place blocking foreigners from watching? hmm
[00:16] <diddledan_> daftykins: no, not quite, I mean the one that's in place blocking people with a hard-line in the uk going to a uk flat from watching in that uk flat via the uk hard-line
[00:17] <daftykins> err really?
[00:29] <diddledan_> yup, seems amazingstoke is too amazing and exotic for the beeb
[00:30] <diddledan_> either that or it's because it's sky broadband and the beeb feel threatened by sky so they're actively targetting subscribers
[00:33] <daftykins> :D
[03:28] <RV520> hey
[07:59] <roshan> i want to hide my computer from windows
[07:59] <roshan> i'm using ubuntu 14.04 lts
[07:59] <roshan> hello
[07:59] <roshan> help me
[08:00] <roshan> i need to hide ubuntu from wireless neywork from ubuntu
[08:00] <roshan> sorry
[08:00] <roshan> from windows*
[08:01] <diplo> People are just starting work roshan, may take time to reply
[08:01] <diplo> How do you mean hide? As in not share files ?
[08:01] <roshan> no like the turning off network discovery in windows
[08:01] <roshan> and please help me
[08:01] <roshan> i'ma newbie to ubuntu
[08:03] <diplo> Network discovery just turns off things like showing shares etc I believe
[08:03] <diplo> So unless you've specifically shared files etc this shouldn't be an issue
[08:04] <diplo> Out of the box most distros are fairly locked down
[08:16] <roshan> so my computer wontshow up in the network folder?
[08:16] <roshan> unless i share files manually?
[08:17] <zmoylan-pi> unless you share folders i think, i've never had success in making windows see linux
[08:23] <foobarry> wish i could charge my phone with wifi
[08:24] <foobarry> since my home broadband is down :(
[08:24] <foobarry> wasn't there a fake kickstarter about that?
[08:26] <zmoylan-pi> you could charge your phone via wifi but the power delivered would take days if not weeks
[08:26] <diplo> It's doable afaik, charging wirelessly but not perfected or cheap enough yet ?
[08:27] <zmoylan-pi> didn't bayliss the guy who made the clockwork radio charge a phone with a charger powered by walking.  and that was a nokia and not a iphone.  and it still took days
[08:28] <foobarry> i mean "charge"
[08:28] <foobarry> as in load up on wifi data at work and use it from home
[08:28] <foobarry> i was being silly
[08:28] <roshan> so windows cant see linux or ubuntu?
[08:28] <zmoylan-pi> offline readers work to
[08:29] <zmoylan-pi> calibre has a facility to turn websites into ebooks
[08:29] <zmoylan-pi> i used to love avantgo when i used palm 15 years ago.  bring top 30 websites in your pocket every sync
[08:30] <zmoylan-pi> pocket is a smartphone app that does it for articles you want to read later, perfect for offline browsing
[08:31] <diplo> roshan, you could probably ping each machine on the network but other than that you won't be able to do much, I believe sshd is not installed by default either so yeah it would be seen as a device on the network but very little would be accessible if anything
[08:31] <roshan> so is ubuntu invisible to windows by default?
[08:33] <roshan> i dont want others to see me at all....far sharing!i searched for some solutions but all i got was some firewall crap,,,help i just switched from windows!
[08:34] <zmoylan-pi> by default they can't see your files
[08:34] <BigRedS> roshan: Windows (I think) sets up some network shares by default. Ubuntu doesn't.
[08:34] <BigRedS> so if you don't manually and explicitly set them up there will be nothing for Windows to see
[08:37] <roshan> oh then i have no worries about the other people seeing me?
[08:38] <roshan> coz i cracked my neighbours wifi
[08:38] <zmoylan-pi> technically illegal
[08:38] <roshan> its my friend and most of the time he does it too
[08:39] <roshan> i on the other hand dont know how to and fyi my brother helped
[08:39] <roshan> hehe
[08:40] <DJones> Probably not a good thing to admit to doing in a logged channel
[08:41] <ross> hi
[08:42] <Guest52384> so how do i turn off network sharing?
[08:42] <diplo> Unless you've turned it on, it's off by default as we mentioned earlier
[08:44] <Guest52384> thanks
[09:02] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:03] <zmoylan-pi> mroning mammals
[09:03] <brobostigon> morning zmoylan-pi
[09:10] <isleofmandan> What time will the Unicorn show up? I have to go to work in a bit and was hoping to kick off the official download...
[09:11] <zmoylan-pi> is it there yet? :-p
[09:11] <isleofmandan> nope :)
[09:12] <zmoylan-pi> is it there yet? :-D
[09:12] <isleofmandan> Although from running the betas, I think it's just 14.04.1 with a new number. :)
[09:13] <isleofmandan> I've had a lot of interest in people wanting to switch to GNU/Linux since I gave a few talks on the island. Was hoping to hand out shiny new 14.10 DVDs this weekend. But I need time to download and burn.
[09:15] <zmoylan-pi> i usually just keep the iso on my usb drive if someone wants a copy
[09:16] <isleofmandan> I always have a USB of the latest (14.04.1 at the mo) Ubuntu with me, but some people like to take something away to try at home.
[09:18] <isleofmandan> It's all gone quite well timing-wise. By accident rather than planning.  I gave a talk on Free software as part of Software Freedom Day. That got people talking, so I was asked to do a talk on Linux on the desktop. That was last weekend, so it'd be good to rock up this week with shiny new Utopic Unicorn :)
[09:18] <isleofmandan> I'm on a one man mission to make Ubuntu the default OS for the Isle of Man :)
[09:20] <isleofmandan> Sometimes I feel like my country doesn't even exist though: http://www.ubuntu.com/phone/register   - missing from here!
[09:21] <BigRedS> I mentioned the new release to my brother yesterday
[09:21] <BigRedS> "if it doesn't have wobbly windows I'm not interested"
[09:22] <isleofmandan> :) I miss those.
[09:25] <isleofmandan> Right. Off to work. TTFN.
[09:37] <Azelphur> Uhh, so this is fun. I have an LG G Watch, put it in ADB sideload mode, ADB says the device isn't connected, watch is stuck at the ADB sideload screen.
[09:38] <zmoylan-pi> have you tried turning if off and back on again?
[09:38] <Azelphur> zmoylan-pi: that's the problem, the G Watch has no physical buttons...I can't turn it off
[09:40] <zmoylan-pi> so this doesn't work? http://www.mylgphones.com/how-to-factory-reset-the-lg-g-watch-lg-w100.html
[09:41] <Azelphur> zmoylan-pi: YES THERES A RESET BUTTON
[09:41] <shauno> well this is fun.  "here's app, document it".  :/
[09:41] <Azelphur> thank you
[09:41] <zmoylan-pi> i like how they use an iphone reset dohickey to reset it :-p
[09:42]  * zmoylan-pi felt as helpless first time i had to reset my ipod
[09:44]  * zmoylan-pi is fan of manual physical switches AND removeable batteries
[09:45] <shauno> welcome to 2014, enjoy your stay ;)
[09:45]  * zmoylan-pi hugs my nokia asha 201 which has both :-)
[09:48] <Myrtti> the sad thing about that 25mm/31mm hose is that I can't find a pipe collar. I wonder if a food funnel would work.
[09:52] <shauno> I gotta ask .. context?
[09:52] <Myrtti> wedding bouquet handle
[09:53] <Myrtti> hollow to allow electronics, clear to allow to see the status (charge) LED's
[09:54] <zmoylan-pi> and what electronics dare we ask are in the bouquet? :-)
[09:54] <zmoylan-pi> to tweet from the alter?
[09:55] <shauno> or to make lightsaber soundeffects when it's moved ;)
[09:55] <Myrtti> Adafruit Pro Trinket 3.3V, Adafruit Pro Trinket LiPoly/LiIon Backpack to charge the battery, 2200mAh LiPoly, 5-15 Neopixels and possibly RF communications.
[09:55] <zmoylan-pi> ooooh, good idea
[09:56] <shauno> what kinda collar do you have in mind?  wouldn't the plant stuff cover the end?
[09:57] <czajkowski> AlanBell: http://surrey.lug.org.uk/Meetings/PubMeets/Archive/20141029
[09:58] <Myrtti> I feel daft now. There's actual ready made bouquet collars.
[10:00]  * zmoylan-pi wonders how many are shipped with a usb port :-p
[10:00] <AlanBell> czajkowski: looks interesting, will try to make that :)
[10:07] <czajkowski> AlanBell: let the other one know as well
[10:07] <czajkowski> wonder how many -uk folks are in Surrey ?
[10:07] <Myrtti> ooh, he's aliveeeee
[10:41] <brobostigon> suggestions welcome, what do i get myself for christmas?
[10:41] <foobarry> budget?
[10:42] <brobostigon> ~£140
[10:42] <DJones> brobostigon: Hudl2 + case
[10:42] <zmoylan-pi> 3-4 rasp pis :-)
[10:42] <brobostigon> my nexus7 still does the job perfectly, no need for a new tablet yet.
[10:44] <brobostigon> zmoylan-pi: i already have two. :)
[10:44] <foobarry> pvr?
[10:44] <brobostigon> yes, one does that job.
[10:46] <foobarry> get a better pvr :P
[10:47]  * brobostigon approves of that idea.
[10:47] <DJones> brobostigon: a penny under £140.00 http://www.firebox.com/product/6714/Parrot-Jumping-Sumo
[10:48] <brobostigon> looks interesting.
[10:51] <foobarry> brobostigon: do you have a hp microserver
[10:51] <brobostigon> i dont, no.
[10:53] <foobarry> all card carrying irc members of #ubuntu-uk  are required to own one
[10:54] <foobarry> surprised it's not in the topic
[10:55] <brobostigon> i see.
[10:55] <shauno> I never seem to catch the rebate periods.  whenever I remember it exists, I just missed it :/
[10:55] <Myrtti> ooh, I'm a card carrier then too
[10:58] <Dave2> the rebate period for HP microservers seemed to be approximately 2 eternities long
[10:59] <Dave2> they don't seem to do those microservers any more though
[10:59] <Dave2> just the expensive ones
[11:00] <foobarry> n54l?
[11:00] <foobarry> ebuyer?
[11:00] <foobarry> http://www.ebuyer.com/616877-hp-proliant-microserver-g7-n54l-1p-4gb-u-non-hot-plug-sata-150w-ps-744900-421
[11:00] <foobarry> wowzer
[11:00] <foobarry> somethings gone wrong
[11:00] <foobarry> boguht one few months ago for 129
[11:04] <shauno> the problem I seem to have is that hp-ireland never had the rebates at the same time as hp-uk.  so every time people got excited about them, hp-ireland left me disappointed
[11:05] <zmoylan-pi> that does seem to be hp-irelands job :-)
[11:07] <shauno> well, I shouldn't rag on them too hard, last I heard the site across the road are all still waiting to find out who keeps their jobs :/
[11:08] <foobarry> i didn't get a rebate, it was already cheap
[11:09] <zmoylan-pi> i'd like to feel sad for them but after dealing with their field engineers and navigating their phone directory menus.... no
[11:09] <foobarry> rebates suck
[11:14] <shauno> I get the impression the lot here are all doing something cloudy  (since I have the cloud-to-butt chrome extension, and their job postings are usually hilarious)
[11:52] <popey> Morning
[11:53] <brobostigon> afternoodlings popey
[13:02] <BigRedS> Is it generally the case that if I have a thing installed on an amd64 system I can add i686 to dpkg and install it in 686 too? Or is it only some subset of packages?
[13:08] <directhex> BigRedS: it's a subset of packages.
[13:09] <directhex> "dpkg --print-foreign-architectures" will tell you if you already have multiarch enabled (in which case apt-get install packagename:i386 gets you the 32-bit version)
[13:19] <BigRedS> yeah, but should I be able to install packagename:i386 for any value of packagename ?
[13:19] <BigRedS> I know this is/was intended for libs, but should it be possible to do this with binaries?
[13:19] <BigRedS> I'm wondering if a 32-bit ghostscript will solve a problem I'm having elsewhere, for some background
[13:20] <BigRedS> ah, just saw the "it's a subset of packages" message :) So it's a try-it-and-see, perhaps
[13:24] <popey> yes
[13:24] <popey> you can just "apt install foo:i386" on an amd64 install
[13:24] <ali1234> and if it breaks you get to keep the pieces
[13:25] <BigRedS> that was more what I was wondering. If it doesn't work for some reason, is that a bug or me doing a thing I'm not supposed to be able to do?
[13:25] <ali1234> a large number of packages don't support multiarch, even more have conflicts that prevent you having more than one arch installed
[13:26] <BigRedS> ah, that's the sort of thing I was expecting
[13:26] <BigRedS> might need to be less brute-forcey...
[13:26] <ali1234> many packages aren't even arch-specific
[13:26] <ali1234> like software written in python for example
[13:27] <ali1234> i'm not actually sure what it will say if you try to install the i386 version of one of those
[13:28] <BigRedS> E: Unable to locate package sendmailwrapper
[13:28] <BigRedS> sendmailwrapper's a package we've got here whose arch is 'any' (or 'all', whatever perl scripts are supposed to be)
[13:28] <BigRedS> so I guess it can't find it 'cause it doesn't exist in that arch
[13:40] <brobostigon> apt-cache search
[14:47] <shauno> popey: thanks for 'halt catch fire'.  I've pretty much just binge-watched it.
[14:47] <popey> heh
[14:47] <popey> good isnt it?
[14:53] <diddledan_> o_O
[15:03] <diddledan_> ooh
[15:03] <diddledan_> that looks fun
[15:03]  * diddledan_ adds it to his "dvr"
[15:04] <daftykins> what's this?
[15:05] <diddledan_> daftykins: tv series called "halt and catch fire"
[15:09] <shauno> it's a documentary about beards.  but it ain't half bad.
[15:16] <bittin-> on the Ubuntu 14.10 releaseparty in Stockholm waiting for more people :)
[15:17] <brobostigon> :)
[15:19] <daftykins> how long is utopic getting supported for?
[15:21] <shauno> 9 months I think?
[15:21] <daftykins> hrmm
[15:22] <daftykins> bound to be another few batches of those who run non-LTS then come crying by then, then
[15:23] <shauno> well they'll have v..erily votsit? by then
[15:23] <shauno> (I vorgot.  already)
[15:23] <diddledan_> vertile vervet
[15:24] <shauno> that's the one - vivid vervet
[15:24] <diddledan_> aah, vivid
[15:24] <diddledan_> I got one word right
[15:24] <SuperMatt> who is coming to the london party tonight?
[15:25] <daftykins> shauno: yeah but so many base production systems off non-LTS, constant upgrades in that scenario aren't cool
[15:25] <diddledan_> daftykins: more fool them
[15:25] <shauno> "doctor, doctor, it hurts when I do this?"
[15:25] <SuperMatt> don't do that then
[15:26] <daftykins> that's my damn point!
[15:26] <shauno> and iirc LTS actually takes an intentional nudge to knock it off the lts-track
[15:26] <diddledan_> send them away to RTFM :-p
[15:26] <daftykins> that would not go down well
[15:26]  * daftykins steals diddledan_'s _
[15:27] <diddledan_> :-o
[15:27] <diddledan_> I was attached to that!
[15:28] <shauno> as I see it, simple solution to people jumping off the lts-track.  bill by the hour :)
[15:28] <diddledan_> minute!
[15:28] <diddledan_> 25£/min
[15:29] <diddledan_> minimum charge 1 hour
[15:29] <daftykins> heh
[15:30] <shauno> I used to have an odd setup where I billed 1hr for travel each way (4-5 min drive) and 1hr min for time on site.  at $60/hour.
[15:30] <diddledan_> nice!
[15:30] <diddledan_> two hours for 10 minutes work
[15:30] <shauno> it wasn't actually meant to work.  I was trying to nudge him towards letting me just ssh in.
[15:30] <shauno> 3.
[15:30] <diddledan_> ooh good point
[15:31] <diddledan_> 200$ for 10 minutes is funkytown
[15:31] <daftykins> i'm still not even back cycling yet, so i have been going places by bus :(
[15:31] <shauno> but he was old and weird and couldn't perceive any work actually happening if he didn't see someone doing it
[15:31] <ali1234> i have a much simpler solution
[15:31] <ali1234> i have have to leave my house you pay for 8 hours
[15:32] <diddledan_> ooh, amazon have a new AWS zone - frankenfurter
[15:34] <daftykins> never touched that, digitalocean have a London site though now
[15:35] <daftykins> well, have done for months
[15:35] <ali1234> is anyone else not bothering with U?
[15:36] <daftykins> "U" ?
[15:36] <ali1234> utopic
[15:36] <daftykins> i don't see the point to touch non-LTS anymore
[15:37] <daftykins> but then i don't run desktop so i don't really count :D
[15:37] <ali1234> i don't really see the point on desktop
[15:37] <ali1234> U doesn't seem to have any changes outside unity 8
[15:38] <ali1234> for xubuntu we pretty much just bumped package versions and that was it
[15:39] <daftykins> sounds a bit like a non-release then
[15:39] <ali1234> quite
[15:40] <zmoylan-pi> always a chance of a show stopping famingo up in next few days as people install it
[15:40] <ali1234> maybe, but that won't affect me if i don't install it
[15:40] <shauno> that's a bit of a deflated "happy birthday"
[15:47] <vad3rman1156> anyone ordered from https://www.expeditelectronics.com in the UK?
[15:49] <daftykins> no postal address, looks concerning
[15:49] <vad3rman1156> please don't say that -.-
[15:50] <daftykins> your money is gone.
[15:50] <vad3rman1156> dude!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[15:51] <vad3rman1156> £341 down the drain - I paid with paypal though?
[15:51] <ali1234> registered through an anonymous hong kong registrar
[15:51] <vad3rman1156> ??
[15:52] <ali1234> Registrant Name:Host Master
[15:52] <ali1234> Registrant Organization:UDomain Web Hosting Co Ltd
[15:52] <daftykins> https://www.trustpilot.co.uk/review/expeditelectronics.com
[15:53] <vad3rman1156> people are saying they're good though :/
[15:53] <daftykins> uh-huh
[15:54] <vad3rman1156> I guess time will tell :/
[15:54] <daftykins> so yeah it's cheap electronics sourced at Hong Kong then you just have to wait a lot longer for delivery
[15:54] <daftykins> location explains the slow site too
[15:55] <vad3rman1156> wait......
[15:55] <vad3rman1156> I just tracked it...
[15:55] <vad3rman1156> Date	Time	Location	Tracking event
[15:55] <vad3rman1156> 23/10/2014	15:14	Aldershot Depot	Collected from customer
[15:56] <daftykins> ok well thanks for joining Freenode's primary online retailer review channel :)
[15:56] <vad3rman1156> sorry but it says it's been collected :/
[15:57] <daftykins> sorry for what?
[15:57] <vad3rman1156> for asking here lol
[16:23] <mapps> yo
[16:24] <brobostigon> hi mapps
[16:24] <mapps> hey mate
[16:30] <vad3rman1156> pizza or curry?
[16:35] <mapps> lots of games tonight
[16:42] <mapps> lol at work policies, had an email about them all..ID card worn at all times..and have to disable wifi and celklular data on phones in the office they say...dunno what the need is
[16:42] <mapps> this isnt MI5
[16:42] <mapps> ;]
[16:44]  * jpds throws out mapps out of the building for flouting the "security is everyone's responsiblity" rule.
[16:44] <mapps> :D
[16:44] <mapps> i have no 3g on my phone yet, hopefully be sorted today
[16:44] <mapps> waiting for ee to send me an unlock code
[16:44] <mapps> :D
[16:44] <DJones> mapps: It may not be MI5, but could be MI6 :)
[16:45] <DJones> Or the more secretive illuminati you work for
[16:45] <mapps> heh well it isnt
[16:45] <mapps> :D
[16:45] <mapps> yes
[16:45] <mapps> lots of important uk agencies operate in gibraltar;p
[16:45] <mapps> or..just all the gambling firms:P
[16:46] <diddledan_> mapps: or worse, it could be SD-6 pretending to be the CIA
[16:46] <DJones> Ah yeah, dodgy blokes the :)
[16:46] <mapps> ;]
[16:47] <diddledan_> you don't know sidney bristow, do you?
[16:47] <mapps> no
[16:47] <mapps> ;]
[16:47] <diddledan_> phew
[16:49] <mapps> hm
[16:49] <mapps> http://www.2shared.com/file/mxjAnucd/InPlay_TV.html cant work out direct link from that
[16:58] <arsenip> anyone able to remind my feeble mind what that system is for tipping people online? like.. someone helps me - i tip them
[16:59] <arsenip> ironically - there's no tip available for this question.
[16:59] <arsenip> L:d
[17:14] <BigRedS> arsenip: flattr? gittip? or something else?
[17:14] <arsenip> FLATTR
[17:14] <arsenip> jeebus. thanks BigRedS :)
[17:16] <BigRedS> haha, no worries :)
[17:27] <diddledan_> I love that the UN's Ban Ki Moon knows my email address and regularly emails me with information about how I can get millions of dollars in monies
[17:28] <diddledan_> this one is of particular interest because the UN apparently have set aside 3.5million for anyone who's previously been scammed
[17:28] <diddledan_> that's each, not total
[17:34] <daftykins> diddledan_: well it's tough to follow people like Koffi Anan, the guy's got to try and feel popular somehow
[17:44] <MooDoo> evening all
[17:45] <davmor2> MooDoo: man it's only 13:45
[17:45] <MooDoo> davmor2: you in the US?
[17:45] <davmor2> MooDoo: I am
[17:45] <MooDoo> davmor2: nice, some sprint?
[17:46] <davmor2> MooDoo: no mostly sitting :P
[17:46] <MooDoo> hehe
[17:47] <MooDoo> davmor2: so what you in the US work, play?
[17:49] <davmor2> Work and it is a sprint but that name is such a lie
[17:49] <MooDoo> you mean you walk to the bar, get a drink walk to a room, get your laptop out for 10 mins then walk back to the bar? ;)
[17:50] <daftykins> i feel like i'd rather learn a card game from a person speaking only swahili than follow you guys convo D:
[17:50] <MooDoo> davmor2: ah you in DC?
[17:51] <MooDoo> http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-VcyVXgSoSGk/VEggCrXpSDI/AAAAAAAAI8Y/3oHGIQKtpX4/s1600/IMG_20141022_123332.jpg   with this lot?
[17:52] <MooDoo> or this lot :D http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ktMHS-FZKKY/VEfzKke3E2I/AAAAAAAAI8I/n8PCkeA10mM/s1600/IMG_9240.JPG
[17:52] <popey> \o/ community
[17:52] <popey> those are two photos of the same people ☻
[17:53] <MooDoo> yeah i know just two different places.
[17:53] <MooDoo> just noticed
[17:54] <arsenip> anyone any idea why i'm seeing fireworks yesterday/ today? :0
[17:55] <davmor2> MooDoo: no they only talk to me when they have code that needs breaking ;)
[17:56] <davmor2> which reminds me
[17:59] <MooDoo> lol
[17:59] <MooDoo> arsenip: diwali?
[18:00] <davmor2> arsenip: because it is dark how else are people meant to see?
[18:01] <arsenip> possibly MooDoo
[18:01] <arsenip> davmor2  - someone let off ~6-7 at lunchtime today
[18:01] <arsenip> just seen some further out
[18:01] <arsenip> near bow i suspect.
[18:02] <MooDoo> 2 October (Wednesday) in South India[1], Malaysia and Singapore[2]
[18:02] <MooDoo> 23 October (Thursday)[1] elsewhere
[18:03] <arsenip> Ahh
[18:03] <arsenip> :)
[18:03] <arsenip> Everyone's been on edge near my office last few days
[18:03] <arsenip> one car controlled explosion, another turned out to be nothing (but before they decided to blow it up)
[18:10] <DJones> Must be a quiet release party given that the release hasn't been finalised
[18:16] <diddledan_> !isitoutyet
[18:16] <diddledan_> :-p
[18:17] <MooDoo> lol
[18:20] <BigRedS> Is anyone in the pub?
[18:20]  * popey is not
[18:21] <BigRedS> Tsk. These aren't what they used to be
[18:39] <diddledan_> !isitoutyet
[18:40] <MooDoo> lol
[18:45]  * Laney upgrades to vivid
[19:19] <MooDoo> Laney: let me know how it goes
[19:20] <Laney> doesn't exist yet :p
[19:20] <MooDoo> really, it's been released, is it not at the mirrors yet?
[19:21] <diddledan_> MooDoo: vivid, not utopic
[19:22] <MooDoo> diddledan_: doh! *blush*
[19:28] <diddledan_> heh, the default apt mirrors are slow
[19:28] <diddledan_> gb.archive.ubuntu.com I'm using
[19:28] <daftykins> no way, i just got "lickety split" on a CAPTCHA at Western Digital's website
[19:28] <diddledan_> I guess they're getting pounded right about now
[19:29] <diddledan_> lol
[19:38] <b1ackcr0w> Evening all
[19:39] <b1ackcr0w> Is there a workaround that lets you test a 14.10 guest in a Virtual Box VM?
[19:39] <daftykins> i saw someone else just now say something about the graphics artefacting in virtualbox with 14.10
[19:39] <daftykins> is that what you're getting?
[19:40] <b1ackcr0w> Yeah, I tried with 14.10 beta 2 the other day, and could get it booted
[19:40] <b1ackcr0w> *couldn't*
[19:41] <daftykins> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/utopic/+package/virtualbox-guest-additions-iso
[19:41] <daftykins> wonder what that gets you
[19:42] <b1ackcr0w> ah, I guess you'd have to boot to a shell and install them before graphical boot
[19:43] <daftykins> doesn't freeze does it? so you could reach a TTY and try installing guest additions
[19:46] <b1ackcr0w> firing up a new VM now
[19:48] <b1ackcr0w> (PS Host is a Mint Qiana 64 bit with plenty of hardware resources)
[19:50] <daftykins> Mint! D:
[19:50]  * daftykins holds up two fingers, crossed
[19:59] <b1ackcr0w> As an aside, I love how installing an entire Linux OS takes much less time than the latest version of MS Office. Never ceases to amaze me.
[19:59] <daftykins> still a shame once it gets to the stage that you have to download over half the ISO again in updates though
[19:59] <daftykins> i wish there were regular media respins
[20:01] <b1ackcr0w>                                                                                                      /me owes ubuntu 14.10 an apology
[20:02] <b1ackcr0w> it's booted fine
[20:03] <b1ackcr0w> installing the stock guest additions..
[20:11] <b1ackcr0w> which package do i install to get the current kernel headers again?
[20:13] <diddledan_> b1ackcr0w: linux-headers
[20:15] <diddledan_> sorry, it looks like it's linux-headers-generic
[20:15] <diddledan_> that is unless you have a non-standard kernel
[20:15] <b1ackcr0w> nah, stock 64 bit
[20:16] <diddledan_> has anyone seen alanbell lately?
[20:21] <b1ackcr0w> ah - it isn't liking the lack of an x windows system :)
[20:22] <diddledan_> no xwin?
[20:23] <diddledan_> we didn't ship mir already did we?
[20:23] <b1ackcr0w> well, not a version it recognises
[20:23] <diddledan_> aah
[20:23] <b1ackcr0w> hmm
[20:24] <diddledan_> version 1.16.0 of X11 on mine
[20:26] <diddledan_> apparently "sparks" have been "fly"ing on the ubuntu-dev mailing list? http://news.softpedia.com/news/ownCloud-Asks-Canonical-to-Remove-Their-Software-From-Ubuntu-Repos-Sparks-Fly-462906.shtml
[20:28] <popey> pffft
[20:28] <diddledan_> the email chain hardly appears to be controversial
[20:29] <popey> indeed
[20:29] <b1ackcr0w> http://pastebin.com/FQNd6PKU
[20:29] <b1ackcr0w> *fistbumps popey*
[20:29]  * popey tickles b1ackcr0w 
[20:30]  * b1ackcr0w giggles, then remembers he's a 20 stone, 40 year old man
[20:31] <diddledan_> b1ackcr0w: maybe you need `xorg-dev`?
[20:32] <b1ackcr0w> you have a point diddledan_ I could google or lazyweb it
[20:33] <diddledan_> meh
[20:33] <diddledan_> :-p
[20:38] <diddledan_> is the "what's new" section of ubunut software centre curated in any way or is it purely automatic?
[20:38] <diddledan_> just wondering why of the 9 entries they're all of the same source (baldur's gate and related)
[20:42] <popey> pooooped
[20:42] <popey> i see different stuff
[20:43] <diddledan_> I guess that means it's different on every request
[20:48] <diddledan_> random: why is python so popular? of the available "ide" category almost half of them are either python-written or python-targeting or both
[20:49] <ali1234> is the question why it is popular or why there are so many ides written using it?
[20:49] <diddledan_> I guess both
[20:49] <diddledan_> python seems popular for writing things in and for writing ides in
[20:50] <ali1234> it's popular because it has an extensive standard library, and it is very easy to understand python code written by someone else
[20:50] <ali1234> and it is very fast to develop something with it
[20:51] <diddledan_> I've noticed a lot of system-level stuff is being written in python these days.. I guess either instead of bash or instead of perl
[20:51] <ali1234> more instead of perl
[20:52] <diddledan_> nodejs is starting to make quite an impact on commandline utilities, too
[20:53] <diddledan_> (as a corollary)
[20:53] <ali1234> only command line utilities used by web devs though
[20:53] <ali1234> nobody else cares about javascript
[20:53] <diddledan_> I guess
[20:54] <ali1234> javascript is pretty much what you would get if python had C-like syntax
[20:54] <diddledan_> I suppose I've noticed that because I'm supposed to be a web dev
[20:54] <ali1234> i only have nodejs around so i can run lessc
[21:01] <MooDoo> pwd
[21:01] <MooDoo> oops lol
[21:01] <diddledan_> $HOME
[21:04] <b1ackcr0w> to answer the python thing. One thing might be that tkinter has made it easy to cross platform stuff
[21:04] <davmor2> MooDoo: Enter your password to continue
[21:05] <diddledan_> "this is awesome, when you enter a password on freenode it comes out as *s. here's mine ***********. awesome, yeah?!"
[21:06] <diddledan_> !danger
[21:06] <Myrtti> hunter2
[21:07] <Myrtti> hey guys, why can I see my password in clear text?
[21:07] <diddledan_> "all I see is *******"
[21:08] <b1ackcr0w> anyhoo. off to bed soon. congrats all. there's still a lot of love for ubuntu out there
[21:09] <JGJones> Any snort experts in here?
[21:09]  * diddledan_ snorts
[21:09] <JGJones> should have expected that :)
[21:09] <daftykins> are you saying we have big noses :(
[21:10] <diddledan_> daftykins: I wasn't going to mention it
[21:10] <MooDoo> ****** you ****** wierd
[21:10] <daftykins> ;_;
[21:10] <diddledan_> daftykins: I guess you've got some Roman blood in your veins
[21:11] <diddledan_> the Romans were renowned for having huge conks
[21:16] <diddledan_> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B0qAJHIIQAIcTyl.jpg:large
[21:39] <isleofmandan> Hello people. Should a default install of Ubuntu 14.10 (on a gpt disk) create a swap partition? Mine didn't...
[21:39] <diddledan_> isleofmandan: it should unless you choose manual mode
[21:40] <isleofmandan> I thought so... Wonder what I did wrong!
[21:40] <isleofmandan> I did choose full disk encryption, but 14.04 created swap when I did that.
[21:40] <diddledan_> hmm, it may be a bug then - someone else had that issue with the beta a few days ago
[21:41] <diddledan_> unless that was you :-p
[21:41] <isleofmandan> Not me :)
[21:41] <diddledan_> <-- bad at names and memory
[21:42] <isleofmandan> It's my first 'proper' EFI install though. 14.04 needed me to enable 'legacy' ROM in BIOS and use and msdos parition table.
[21:42] <isleofmandan> Maybe that has something to do with why I got swap on 14.04 but not on 14.10
[21:43] <diddledan_> can you open a terminal and run `sudo lvs | pastebinit`
[21:43] <diddledan_> that's a pipe character - | - not an el
[21:44] <isleofmandan> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8646030/
[21:44] <diddledan_> ok, that's what I hoped
[21:44] <diddledan_> it has created a swap just not activated it
[21:44] <isleofmandan> Oh. I couldn't see that in gparted
[21:45] <shauno> perhaps it is activated then?  if you were only judging by parted?
[21:45] <isleofmandan> system monitor said no swap... let me double-check
[21:45] <diddledan_> it won't show up in gparted because it's backed onto an LVM
[21:46] <isleofmandan> System monitor says 'swap not available'
[21:46] <diddledan_> try running `swapon /dev/ubuntu-vg/swap_1`
[21:46] <diddledan_> that's a one
[21:47] <isleofmandan> read swap header failed
[21:47] <diddledan_> ok, that may be the problem - it hasn't created a swap filesystem
[21:47] <diddledan_> oh wait, it needs sudo
[21:47] <isleofmandan> i sudo'd already ;)
[21:47] <diddledan_> aah
[21:48] <shauno> sudid?  ;)
[21:48] <isleofmandan> lol
[21:48] <diddledan_> in that case then mkswap /dev/ubuntu-vg/swap_1
[21:48] <diddledan_> then rerun the swapon
[21:49] <diddledan_> next we need to check /etc/fstab has an entry for it so it gets started on boot
[21:49] <isleofmandan> now we get 'Device or resource busy'
[21:49] <diddledan_> hmm
[21:50] <diddledan_> was that on the mkswap command or the swapon?
[21:50] <isleofmandan> swapon
[21:50] <diddledan_> oddness
[21:51] <diddledan_> it might take a reboob to activate then
[21:51] <diddledan_> before that though we need to check /etc/fstab
[21:52] <daftykins> diddledan_: typo
[21:52] <isleofmandan> some references in there to swap_1
[21:52] <isleofmandan> and also cryptswap
[21:52] <isleofmandan> ?
[21:52] <diddledan_> isleofmandan: yes that's normal
[21:53] <diddledan_> I'm not sure how cryptswap works tho
[21:53] <isleofmandan> I'm not sure how anythings works :)
[21:54] <isleofmandan> I'll reboot and see what happens?
[21:56] <diddledan_> I fear I may have got him to overwrite an encrypted swap with an unencrypted one
[21:57] <diddledan_> wb
[21:58] <isleofmandan> All good. So it seems that the install just forgets to format the swap partition?
[21:59] <diddledan_> I'm not so sure that's the problem - I may have had you create an unencrypted swap instead of an encrypted on
[21:59] <isleofmandan> Ah. But there was already the space for it in the LVM thingy
[22:00] <diddledan_> yeah, the encryption sits on top of an lv (the swap_1 device) creating another device which isn't the swap_1 device
[22:01] <isleofmandan> It's all a bit beyond my tiny brain :)
[22:01] <diddledan_> the google-fu is "dm-crypt"
[22:01] <diddledan_> or "cryptswap"
[22:03] <isleofmandan> Well, thanks to you I have some swap space now. I'm not too worried if it's not encrypted. Surely if the whole drive is, it doesn't matter anyway?!
[22:04] <diddledan_> the whole drive is unencrypted with a large slice encyrpted minus the /boot filesystem and the swap section
[22:05] <diddledan_> the bios/efi can't boot from a fully-encrypted drive without a small bit set aside for the bootstrap (grub and kernels)
[22:05] <diddledan_> the bootstrap needs to be unencrypted
[22:06] <isleofmandan> I need to do some reading. I thought that because gparted only shows two small /boot things, and then a whopping big 'crypt-luks' that the swap would live in there. There isn't a separate swap partition like I'm used to seeing.
[22:06] <diddledan_> so you'll have an efi partition, potentially a /boot partition and the lvm - inside the lvm there's encrypted root partition and encrypted swap partition but the lvm isn't itself encrypted - the swap partition may not now be encrypted
[22:07] <isleofmandan> Ah. You explain well. I'm getting this :)
[22:09] <diddledan_> it looks like there's a nice simple command to ensure the swap IS encrypted, however. `sudo encryptfs-setup-swap`
[22:12] <isleofmandan> It warns about breaking hibernation (which is fine for me), and then tries to do something. Has hung at the 'cryptdisks stop/waiting' point...
[22:13] <isleofmandan> it also refers to '/dev/dm-2' which I've never seen before.
[22:14] <diddledan_> /dev/dm-2 is a kernel identifier - udev probably created a symlink in a more reasonable naming convention, but finding it may be a pain - try /dev/mapper/*
[22:16] <isleofmandan> it's still at the 'cryptdisks   stop/waiting' thing... Broken ;)  Time for a CTRL-C I think!
[22:17] <isleofmandan> Oh well. It's time I went to bed. Many thanks for your help. I'll try the whole install again at the weekend and see if the problem repeats. If so, I'll file a bug report.
[22:18] <diddledan_> okie dokie
[22:18] <isleofmandan> but it's more likely something I'm doing wrong.
[22:19] <isleofmandan> Once the install had completed, I had to tell my EFI (bios thingy) where to boot from... I had the options of 'shim', 'grub' and something else with a weird name. So I went for grub..
[22:19] <isleofmandan> I assumed shim would be if I was using secure boot
[22:19] <diddledan_> yes, I believe you're right
[22:20] <diddledan_> I think shim is signed with a secureboot key
[22:20] <diddledan_> and it offloads immediately to grub
[22:20] <isleofmandan> I should've written down the third thing.... Nothing I'd ever heard of before!
[22:21] <isleofmandan> Anyway, thanks again.
[22:21] <isleofmandan> Have a virtual beer on me :)
[22:24] <isleofmandan> Goodnight
[22:26] <daftykins> i'm sure a real one would be nicer
[22:50] <awilkins> Well that was a smooth upgrade
[22:50] <awilkins> Usual slow process but the downloads weren't bad for a release day
[22:58] <directhex> i'll wait a bit
[22:58] <directhex> 14.04 works for me
[23:02] <zmoylan-pi> i'll 2-3 months to see if there are any suprises
[23:02] <zmoylan-pi> though i might risk my secondary system in a few weeks
[23:03] <awilkins> This system isn't really in production yet
[23:03] <awilkins> My new work laptop
[23:24] <diddledan_> interesting results: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amazon_ec2_pvhvm
[23:24] <diddledan_> hvm on amazon's cloud is slightly faster than pv