[01:27] As promised, I did a fresh install of today's latest image on my laptop to see if the screen dimming issue I had was specific to an upgrade. [01:28] It was not. I had it again after the clean install. Opened bug #1384515 [01:28] bug 1384515 in xfce4-power-manager (Ubuntu) "Laptop screen dims on logout" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1384515 [01:30] i had one that, at boot, the buttons for the display brightness were moved.. so, occasionally, it would boot dim.. i either had to find the right (wrong) keys at just the right time in the boot, or pull the battery for a reset [01:30] It's similar to bug #1302025 (which was marked as invalid), but mine is not related to inactivity. [01:30] bug 1302025 in xfce4-power-manager (Ubuntu) "xfce4-power-manager does not restore screen brightness on activity" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1302025 [01:32] I reinstalled Trusty to make sure I wasn't crazy and just didn't notice it before, but the problem is not there in T. [02:28] bluesabre: If you would like to copy it over now. [02:28] * Unit193 subscribes people so he doesn't have to remember to ping anymore. :P [02:46] Unit193: marked for copy [02:46] Danke. [04:46] http://paste.openstack.org/show/SaRDLd9F0Xubghsbb3LV/ Outdated Xfce 4.12 PPA packages. [07:27] knome_: the web release note good to go? just in case you're not about later [07:28] 139 tests reported - no fails, no critical bugs, I'm happy to mark it ready for release when the time comes [07:29] half of team managed to report 96 of those - but that includes my 44 [07:32] gridcube__: thanks for following through on that upgrade test :) [07:33] actually - marking them ready now [07:40] ochosi: ^^ [07:42] elfy: morning [07:43] thanks for marking them ready [07:44] s'ok - I'm never sure how long I'll be out on Thursday's - wiki page is up and ready imo, not sure about xubuntu.org page - looks good to go though [07:44] nothing left to do now \o/ [07:45] weee [07:45] nice :) [07:45] yep - be glad to see the back of the damned unicorns - time for vampires is almost on us :D [07:46] :) [07:48] the wiki notes look good [07:48] the ones on the website are a bit brief [07:49] especially the highlights section [07:50] gotta do some work now, but i'll try to take a look at that during the day [07:56] elfy: since you still seem to have the edit lock on that page, would you mind adding the unicorn_artwork.png i just uploaded? [07:56] thought it'd be a nice touch to do that as we did for 14.04 [07:56] bbiab [07:56] I'm not there [07:57] and just off to work [07:58] odd, then i guess wp was just slow [07:58] i'll add it in [08:01] knome_: if you wanna remove that diagonal line on the unicorn's bg in the release page on x.org, i won't be mad at you ;) [08:01] i just used the plymouth version of the wallpaper to create that [08:27] huh :P === knome_ is now known as knome [08:43] shouldn't the note about the power manager be somewhere where it's more visible? [10:15] good morning folks [10:22] hello bluesabre [10:22] hey knome [10:22] whats up? [10:22] somebody want to pour time into an answer on #x? [10:22] working for a client.. [10:23] ugh, that question again [10:23] lol [10:23] LinusTorvaldII:hey bluesabre [12:09] ochosi, unicorn artwork updated [12:12] hi knome [12:12] hello elfy [12:20] knome: re power manager note - way I see it is it is visible - just not anymore visible than any of the other changes - and if power manager needs to be more visible - why don't other things as well [12:20] because the user needs to do X in order to get the new goodness === a5m0_ is now known as a5m0 [12:21] if it was an update that landed automatically - then it shouldn't be lifted [12:21] will an upgrader be confronted with pinkness? [12:21] should [12:22] aiui [12:22] don't get me wrong - I'm not saying not - just not all that bothered personally whether we do or don't :) [12:22] i am - i'd want the new goodness [12:22] the panel applet is totally different [12:23] then change it [12:23] that's the #1 thing why it's important for me [12:23] i knew you'd say that ;) [12:23] I did what I always do with power applets - removed [12:23] yeah, they are useless on a desktop [12:23] actually [12:23] fwiw, i don't have any applets visible on my desktop [12:24] i mean [12:24] is an upgrader going to find that they're reduced to 1 workspace [12:24] indicators [12:24] i don't think that should happen [12:24] but if it is, then we probably should mention that [12:25] just going to check that [12:25] thanks [12:25] knome: and which are you talkiing about wiki and web or? [12:26] kind of both [12:26] i'm editing both right now [12:27] perhaps the addition of pkexec could do with being a bit more upfront too [12:27] ok, saved both [12:27] the announcement has one known issue that isn't in the notes [12:27] should i copy it over [12:28] it's the vbox one [12:28] don't care what you think (:P), done [12:28] please - must have missed that - the workround is on the wiki [12:28] ha ha ha [12:29] do we want to lift pkexec up all the way to highlights? [12:30] well I think it's quite important - we do finally have a way to do things without gksu so people don't need to guess and install gksu anymore (for those 2 at least) [12:30] ok - upgrade is cooking now - should have answer shortly [12:30] ok [12:31] maybe we should write a shortish paragraph about the pkexec thing right after the pink paragraph [12:31] Items in the newly themed alt-tab dialog can now be clicked with the mouse [12:31] what package brings us that? [12:31] ochosi? [12:36] is there a source that explains why pkexec instead of gksudo? [12:37] Starting with Xubuntu 14.10, you should use pkexec instead of gksudo for running graphical applications with root access from the terminal for improved security. The Xubuntu team has prepared and shipped the necessary pkexec policy files for all default applications in the Xubuntu installation that need them. [12:37] that good? [12:37] is at http://pad.ubuntu.com/FinalReleaseNotes if you want to pokey it [12:38] hey jjfrv8 :) [12:39] poked [12:39] copying over www and wiki [12:39] hey, knome [12:39] hi jjfrv8 [12:39] hola [12:42] btw jjfrv8 - hat's off to you - (ignoring me ) you get the testing cookie - thanks a whole bunch :) [12:42] no cookie for knome :( [12:42] 25 reports you did for this milestone [12:42] knome: nope - no testing cookie for you this time :) [12:43] just keeping my promise to the former xpl :) [12:43] ok, the pad now also has the html that we should drop at the download page [12:43] :) [12:43] knome: ack [12:43] humm [12:43] why don't we follow the usual post slug format [12:44] do we link to the release announcement from somewhere? [12:44] sigh ... [12:44] did trusty still have 2 workspaces by default? [12:44] afaik yes [12:45] mmm [12:46] so upgraded trusty to utopic loses a workspace [12:47] booting a live trusty [12:47] mhm [12:47] i guess it's not lost if you have manually changed the value to something else [12:47] knome: and no idea what slug format means :) [12:47] lol [12:47] see -release [12:48] it was /xubuntu-14-10-release before [12:48] aah [12:50] ok - so trusty has 2 workspaces - utopic upgrade removes one [12:50] elfy, i'm considering the following: [12:50] THAT would drive me up the wall if I didn't know - would break my workflow and more importantly the devilspie rules [12:51] so - depends how many do that type of thing [12:51] "Please note that if you haven't changed the default configuration values for things that are getting a change for 14.10, the configuration will be updated to the new values." [12:51] or sth [12:51] that's clunky, but the message i want to communicate is there [12:51] you want me to double check that - set trusty to 3 workspaces and see what happens on upgrade? [12:52] if you please would [12:52] but i'd imagine that in that case, the setting should stick (because it's non-default) [12:52] k - bit longer this time - got no trusty left to upgrade from :p [12:53] aww [12:53] "Please note that changes in the default configuration affect all users who haven't changed the default configuration." [12:53] that's much better [12:54] yep - saves me pasting mine :) [12:54] mmm [12:54] odd - black background in vb with trusty image [12:56] knome: looking at the download updates in pad - is http://torrent.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/trusty/release/desktop/xubuntu-14.10-desktop-i386.iso.torrent" right? [12:56] 64 same [12:57] shouldn't it be http://torrent.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/utopic/release/desktop/xubuntu-14.10-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent [12:57] yes [12:58] fixed [12:58] ta [12:58] * knome prepares some coffee for the afternoon sprint [12:59] * elfy even has some coffee today [13:01] knome: quick question re download page - are we adding this 14.10 to the existing rather than replacing? [13:02] definitely adding [13:02] k - just checking :) [13:02] i can do that if i'm around, and i have no reason why i wouldn't [13:02] d'oh, fail [13:02] no milk in the house [13:02] * knome shrugs and drinks the coffee black [13:02] this is why I have coffee black - mate NEVER had milk and I don't like black tea :p [13:02] heh [13:03] i use milk because it allows me to drink the coffee faster (because it isn't so hot) [13:03] i like the black coffee taste too though [13:03] dash of cold water? [13:03] just saying ... [13:03] nah [13:04] that's not the same, it'll affect the coffees strength :P [13:04] * elfy can't even see the download page in wp [13:04] seriously? :P [13:04] oh [13:04] it's called "Get Xubuntu" [13:04] that's cos I was looking for downloads ... [13:05] ok - so we've got a white box for utopic and green for trusty - am I reading that right? [13:06] yep [13:06] the point is: green for lts, white for regular [13:06] green pops out more [13:07] *POP!* [13:07] like that [13:07] ok [13:07] ha ha ha [13:09] ok - so trusty set to 5 workspaces [13:11] elfy, I'll race you [13:12] this machine is getting slow [13:12] my upgrade is running now. I added a third workspace manually [13:12] * elfy needs new job - though I suspect a new amp and speakers would be priority :p [13:12] mine is too - 5 spaces [13:13] elfy, priority over a new job? :P [13:13] heh [13:15] grub installing here jjfrv8 :) [13:15] I think you're winning :( [13:16] lol [13:21] knome: ok so utopic has 5 workspaces - so that wording ^^ would appear to be good [13:22] yep [13:22] jjfrv8: guess you lost :D [13:22] ok, now the question [13:22] the changes in the default settings are only mentioned in the wiki [13:22] should we just drop that there too, or should we mention that there are changes in the default configuration in the announcement [13:22] elfy, you must've stolen all my bandwidth [13:23] that must be it, interatlantic bandwidth theft :) [13:23] make mention in the announcement - Changes to default settings all users who haven't changed the default configuration, see release notes for more detail"? [13:23] elfy, sounds good to me [13:24] * knome goes edit [13:24] no need to replicate everything on announcement I think - general note should be enough imo [13:24] yep [13:25] done [13:25] adding note to wiki then [13:25] mhm [13:26] ok [13:29] they've not been bothering much with the common infrastructure stuff have they [13:30] some random powerpc thing and one of the old vb bugs lol [13:32] heh [13:32] yeh [13:33] looks like there is movement towards the release :) [13:33] * knome releases the announcement edit lock just in case [13:34] :) [13:34] client just called so if he calls again at release time... :P [13:34] so - as far as notes are concerned now - publish 14.10 and edit downloads [13:34] yep. [13:34] that should be it [13:34] ok [13:34] hmm, wait [13:34] also edit the help & support page [13:34] for the supported releases list [13:35] we have this all on the processes :P [13:35] ok [13:35] lol [13:35] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Processes#Update_on_release-1 [13:36] so what about screenshots :P [13:36] i can do the press page, the download page and the help&support page [13:37] press page is out of date - who'd that XPL :) [13:37] heh [13:37] * knome edits [13:37] done [13:38] and updated sean's decription too [13:38] description too... [13:38] better not edit much of the text any more, start to drop too many typos.. [13:39] yea [13:39] so what about screenshots - bit late in the day for mucking about with those [13:40] tbh, i don't consider a bad thing if we even skip the screenshots for now [13:40] not sure if we should be showing 14.10 screenshots on the front page at any point since we are suggesting to use 14.04 anyway [13:40] I'd agree with that [13:40] so they could just fall into the screenshots page at some point when we have them [13:44] we really need to get a handle on these PPAs as soon as we can and then get that onto processes [13:44] yep [13:46] elfy, do you think the better place for the mention about the conf would be with the default conf list? [13:46] i can move that if you agree with me [13:47] but i guess there are arguments for keeping it where it is as well [13:47] you talking about the note on the wiki? [13:47] yep [13:47] because if the user went as far as to read the notes... i'd expect them to at least scroll through that [13:47] I did think about putting it with the list - but then thought that perhaps most people would concentrate at the top [13:47] yeah, but the top == the announcement [13:47] yea [13:47] i'd really love statistics about where people go first [13:48] the release announcement mail points to the announcement [13:48] and maybe the notes should too [13:48] at the beginning [13:48] * knome shrugs [13:48] move it if you want - not too bothered :) [13:48] too much coffee, cogs in brain are turning too fast [13:49] perhaps underneath Changes to Xubuntu Default Settings [13:49] yeah, that's where i was imagining it :) [13:49] moving [13:49] that is at least quite close to the top :) [13:50] edited [13:50] ok [13:50] also added a pointer to the announcement [13:51] for completeness, or sth [13:51] it doesn't really hurt to link back to the website :) [13:51] or if somebody tumbles into the wiki and are confused, point them to the right direction [13:52] yep - not got any sort of issue with pointing to the website ever :) [13:53] that should be the #1 outlet for end-users anyway [13:53] yea [13:54] or that's how (pseudo)wise people have imagined it :P [13:54] ok so I am of the opinion now that anymore fiddling with the 2 main 14.10 pages is fiddling for the sake of it [13:54] yeah, that sounds about it [13:54] except when you say that, i'm sure we'll find an awful mistake in either of them ;) [13:55] knome: LOL [13:55] another question... [13:55] generally, [13:55] how do we want to handle the front page stuff [13:55] website? [13:55] do we want to keep on "sticking" some news there? [13:55] yeah [13:56] if yes, i could look how to do that in a way that maintains as much sanity as possible [13:56] i was even thinking [13:56] actually, [13:56] let me just poke the staging site... [13:57] (^ see? too much coffee) [13:57] I'd wonder if we could have something where the releases are constant and then somewhere that links to the latest post elsewhere [13:58] ?> haha. [13:58] voodoo ... [13:58] spot the stupidity [13:58] that reads as; [13:59] PHP CODE ENDS HERE, PHP CODE STARTS HERE, [actual php code], PHP CODE ENDS HERE, PHP CODE STARTS HERE [13:59] what if i just drop the php tags? [13:59] explodes? [13:59] nah [13:59] I dunno :) [13:59] makes the line more readable :P [13:59] and loses 14 unneeded characters.. [14:00] well - I would guess that is always good [14:00] yeah [14:00] that's just silly [14:00] but it is a guess :p [14:00] yep [14:01] oh hmm [14:01] i'm lost [14:01] :D [14:02] as usual... [14:04] :) [14:05] yeah, very clever me [14:06] * knome pats himself on the head [14:06] :) [14:07] wordpress \o/ [14:10] knome: what I meant ^^ http://en.zimagez.com/zimage/scanneddocument2.php [14:10] elfy, yeah... [14:10] well, maybe not "latest news" [14:10] i'd like us to have more control over that [14:10] but essentially yes [14:11] that *sort* of thing I'd think useful === GridCube_ is now known as GridCube [14:20] elfy, http://xstaging.lallinaho.fi/ [14:20] can anyone help me with cryptsetup here? [14:20] i'm encountering a strange issue after upgrading to 14.10 [14:23] elfy, isn't that better than having to stick with the same links/titles as the articles? [14:24] this way we can lift up other things as well, and link to several articles/places in the same box [14:24] even if we lose the capability to make the whole box clickable [14:24] and this way we can also order the boxes as we want [14:25] having actually made a website very much like that, i agree with knome [14:25] :) [14:26] if you try to autogenerate an area like that, you hit problems making all the boxes the same size, while also not cutting off the preview mid sentence [14:26] see latest news section on : http://drumoff.tv/ [14:26] that's not the problem [14:26] or - we have the same problem with this style [14:26] but it's sorted out [14:27] oh, what's the question then? [14:27] well it's more about whether we'd like content pulled from "last 3 articles in category X" or simply maintaining that manually [14:27] which allows us to do other stuff than articles too [14:28] yep, that is slao a problem... look at that "empty" article on my site [14:28] and have some variation how the links are placed inside the boxes etc [14:28] yeå [14:28] *yep [14:28] that's the kind of thing that happens when you just say "last three" [14:28] though it's just an editing issue [14:28] i have a mechanism where you can hide articles like that from that area, but the editors don't understand how to use it [14:28] or are too lazy to bother [14:28] *shrug* [14:28] yeah, just include articles from category X :P [14:29] yeah, i wish my users knew what categories were [14:29] however, they don't even understand how to post of wordpress, so i have to pull all "blogs" from facebook [14:29] but enough of my complaining [14:29] * knome makes sure multiple rows work as well [14:29] ali1234, hah, yeah, tell me about it... :) [14:30] hmm hmm [14:30] need some more css [14:30] but yeah [14:30] theoretically that works [14:31] on the other hand, the rotating banner at the very top is made with a dynamic side bar and a custom "slide" widget type [14:31] so they can just drag and drop to reorder whatever they want [14:31] they seem to get on well with that [14:32] yeah [14:37] yeah, much better now :) [14:41] that kind of thing knome yea :) [14:41] was afk [14:42] np [15:43] can we drop the official translation requirement to 60%? ;) [15:43] nope :P [15:44] :p the remaining 40% are so time consuming :p [15:44] just kidding [15:45] you have 6 months until 15.04 ;) [18:34] knome: that'll be a green light then I guess [18:34] yeppers [18:35] published [18:35] download page updated [18:35] woot [18:36] help&support updated [18:36] not seeing a change on download page [18:37] press page updated [18:37] elfy, ctrl+shift+f5? [18:37] i mean, R [18:37] :P [18:37] should be *under* LTS [18:38] oh yea - see it now [18:39] updated front page [18:41] tweeted [18:42] I know :D [18:43] getting retweets quickly :) [18:43] :) [18:48] did the usual strikeouts for out of sync servers @ http://xubuntu.org/getxubuntu/ [18:48] thanks knome [18:48] np [18:48] anything else? [18:49] #xubuntu topic? [18:49] Yep. [18:49] mute elfy in #xubuntu when people come complaining about bugs :p [18:51] #x topic done [18:51] can't think of anything else [18:52] elfy, seriously? i have lot of things in my mind [18:52] ;) [18:54] too much coffee [18:55] seriously can't think of anything else - but I've not had anything to do with updating stuff previously :) [18:57] yep [18:57] evening folks [18:57] hey ochosi [18:58] if g+ isn't updated yet, do that :P [18:58] i don't even bother looking since i can't update it anyway [18:58] i'll take a look [18:58] btw, thanks for posting the release notes on x.org [18:58] there are some small formatting issues thoguh [18:58] thoguh [18:58]