[00:28] <Landeskog> Hey sorry this might be a stupid quesiton. i have a notifcation that a security update is available for my system on the bottm right of my screen  i did apt-get update apt-get upgrade and apparently have the most up to date from software updater   am i missing somthing im sort of new to linux
[01:02] <gasbag> Is a netinstall iso available for kubuntu?
[01:04] <steve> how do i go back to the classic desktop from kubuntu 14.10 ?
[01:06] <gasbag> Say, this is certainly an active channel. :/
[01:08] <steve> how do i go back to the classic desktop from kubuntu 14.10 ?
[02:12] <LinusTorvaldII> no one talks here
[02:12] <LinusTorvaldII> bizarre
[02:19] <jussi> LinusTorvaldII: its because Kubuntu is so perfect no one has issues :)
[02:20] <LinusTorvaldII> o
[02:20] <LinusTorvaldII> i see several questions asked earlier and noone answered
[02:21] <LinusTorvaldII> landeskog, gasbag and steve all needed some help and noone helped
[02:38] <Landeskog> Landeskog is sorted thanks
[04:41] <wafflej0ck> LinusTorvaldII: just smaller user base than say ubuntu itself
[04:42] <wafflej0ck> LinusTorvaldII: 1600 users in there vs 254 here, lots of people like me with it just open in the background too and in other chats
[04:54] <valorie> also, it would be good if more people stepped up to help
[04:54] <valorie> nobody can be online 24/7
[06:12] <soee> good morning
[06:23] <JoeX2> I seems like the sha256sum of the kubuntu-14.10-desktop-amd64.iso file does not match the content.
[06:23] <JoeX2> Am I doing something wrong?
[06:24] <soee> JoeX2: did you do teh right check ?
[06:25] <JoeX2> I ran: sha256sum kubuntu-14.10-desktop-amd64.iso
[06:25] <JoeX2> The answser: bc5f6be1735165310470271ace40acc4fa62e9583663d3682d6489bc3812b154  kubuntu-14.10-desktop-amd64.iso
[06:25] <soee> JoeX2: how did you donwload it torrent oir http ?
[06:26] <JoeX2> HTTP
[06:27] <JoeX2> I tryed to download 2 times.
[06:28] <JoeX2> And it seems like the torrent link downloads the full iso.
[06:28] <JoeX2> I get a http 302 to http://d3cuy2ty1k494j.cloudfront.net/kubuntu-14.10-desktop-amd64.iso
[06:28] <soee> try zsync after download
[06:30] <JoeX2> I don't see it on http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu . And I am not familiar with that protocol.
[06:30] <JoeX2> Can you guide me?
[06:31] <JoeX2> Oh: sudo apt-get install zsync
[06:32] <JoeX2> And then I need a .zsync link.
[06:40] <soee> JoeX2: did you manage to do that ?
[06:47] <JoeX2> No. I guess I need another link with a .zsync extension.
[06:49] <JoeX2> soee: I try this: zsync http://se.cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/14.10/release/kubuntu-14.10-desktop-amd64.iso.zsync
[06:50] <soee> yes you need it
[06:50] <JoeX2> Read kubuntu-14.10-desktop-amd64.iso. Target 100.0% complete.      ************************************************* verifying download...checksum matches OK used 1129709568 local, fetched 0
[06:50] <JoeX2> sha256sum kubuntu-14.10-desktop-amd64.iso  bc5f6be1735165310470271ace40acc4fa62e9583663d3682d6489bc3812b154  kubuntu-14.10-desktop-amd64.iso
[06:51] <JoeX2> This matches the sha256sum in http://se.cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/14.10/release/SHA256SUMS
[06:52] <JoeX2> soee: But on the http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu the sha256sum is 8c26b3e5a4fe3438ea6822f714e08dec3c718b31a3fea5b3e220853caa9ef195
[06:52] <JoeX2> So I guess the download is correct but the http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu is wrong.
[06:53] <JoeX2> soee: But that you for presenting me to zsync.
[07:49] <mokush> I'm on 14.10 with plasma 5 and the ssdm-helper process it taking up around 1.3gb of ram. any idea what the problem is?
[07:49] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:09] <nicolaf> Hi all. For the kubuntu.org admins: I think there is a problem with the bitTorrent links in http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu . When i click the  .torrent links i get a 1GB .iso file
[08:10] <lordievader> nicolaf: That seems about right, here the final iso is 1.1Gb (I must say it is one respin before the actual final)
[08:13] <nicolaf> yes, but i'm talking about the lint to the .torrent file. The problem i that the link to the torrent file (some KB) points to the .iso file (1 GB)
[08:13] <lordievader> Ah, yes that shouldn't be. Poke around in #kubuntu-devel ;)
[08:14] <nicolaf> ok, tnx
[08:14] <mkumar> nicolaf: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/14.10/release/kubuntu-14.10-desktop-i386.iso.torrent
[08:31] <ultrixx> hi! is there a simple way to upgrade vom kubuntu 10.04 to 10.10?
[08:31] <MangaKaDenza> wot
[08:32] <ultrixx> ah 14.04 to 14.10
[08:32] <ultrixx> sorry
[08:32] <ultrixx> you know all the tens confuse me
[08:33] <ultrixx> or should i download the iso and make a new install?
[08:35] <nicolaf> Kubuntu 14.04 LTS to 14.10 Upgrade: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UtopicUpgrades/Kubuntu
[08:35] <lordievader> ultrixx: sudo do-release-upgrade
[08:35] <ultrixx> thanks a lot
[08:35] <lordievader> You might have to allow non-LTS releases though.
[08:36] <Yossarianuk> hi - how can I upgrade from 14.04->14.10 - do-release-upgrade showsw no new versions
[08:36] <Yossarianuk> is it because its a LTS?
[08:37] <lordievader> Yossarianuk: Err, its because 14.10 ain't an LTS. Likely your upgrade manager is set to only upgrade to new LTS releases.
[08:40] <ultrixx> Yossarianuk: got it?
[08:42] <Yossarianuk> ultrixx: lordievader: yep !
[08:43] <Yossarianuk> cheers
[08:43] <Yossarianuk> going to test plasma5 @ home..... Anyone else using it as their main system?
[08:44] <ultrixx> you mean kubuntu or plasma5?
[08:44] <ultrixx> kubuntu is my main system
[08:46] <Yossarianuk> sorry I mean plasma5..
[08:47] <Yossarianuk> kubuntu is my main desktop for work/home and has been for years now...
[08:47] <Yossarianuk> (I also use arch sometimes as I maintain a package)
[08:50] <lordievader> Yossarianuk: Upgrade to Utopic, then add the Kubuntu Next ppa.
[08:52] <Yossarianuk> lordievader: i'll probably  just download the plasma5 .iso.
[08:53] <lordievader> That is another method.
[08:54] <Yossarianuk> is anyone running plasma5 (as  their main system)?
[08:54] <Yossarianuk> -> for home i don't mind things being a bit buggy (as long as data is safe)
[08:55] <Yossarianuk> will be a good way of submitting bug reports..
[08:55] <lordievader> imo it is not ready for daily use.
[09:25] <Yossarianuk> will 14.10 have updated kde 4.14.x releases wiithout a PPA ? i.e when 4.14.3 comes out , etc ?
[09:26] <Yossarianuk> lordievader: cheers for your input btw - its a shame KVM doesn;t do 3d properly yet (for testing plasma5..)
[09:27] <lordievader> Yossarianuk: The default Utopic runs fine in KVM ;)
[09:27] <lordievader> Haven't tested Plasma5 yet in KVM.
[09:28] <Yossarianuk> lordievader: but no desktop effects ?
[09:29] <lordievader> Can't recall, or haven't actively checked.
[09:32] <Yossarianuk> kde unlike unity/gnome3 has a fully featured desktop without 3d...
[10:10] <Yossarianuk> upgrade from 1404 ->1410 seems ok!
[10:17] <lordievader> Yossarianuk: \o/
[10:18] <Yossarianuk> \o/  \o/ [hands in the air] !
[10:19] <Yossarianuk> I went to a funk and soul night (Craig charles) - lots of that sort of thing...
[10:58] <Yossarianuk> i am getting these errors in dmesg after upgrading to 14.10 (no obvious issue though)
[10:58] <Yossarianuk> systemd-logind[1040]: Failed to start unit user@111.service: Unknown unit: user@111.service
[10:58] <Yossarianuk> Failed to start unit user@1000.service: Unknown unit: user@1000.service
[10:58] <Yossarianuk>  Failed to start user service: Unknown unit: user@1000.service
[10:58] <Yossarianuk> I assume I can ignore ?
[11:02] <shadeslayer> Yossarianuk: Is everything working fine? :
[11:02] <shadeslayer> :P
[11:02] <shadeslayer> if so, yes you can ignore it
[11:08] <Yossarianuk> yea it is
[11:53] <mokush> if I just add the kubuntu-next ppa, but don't install kubuntu-plasma5-desktop, does that mean I can get the fk5 goodness and keep plasma4?
[11:54] <lordievader> mokush: No. Things like plasma-desktop are upgraded too to their KF5 counterparts.
[11:55] <mokush> lordievader: so is there no way to at least get the qt4 breeze theme in 14.10 without plasma5?
[11:55] <lordievader> mokush: No idea.
[12:14] <memphisto> Breze theme  kde http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Breeze?content=165674
[12:17] <memphisto> http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Dynamo+Plasma?content=166475
[12:28] <mokush> I ended up added the ppa, installing the breeze qt and icon themes without upgrading the rest of the packages, then removed the ppa. works like a charm so far
[12:57] <nicon`> Hi all :-) Got kubuntu14.10 with plasma 5 and I have two questions:
[12:57] <nicon`> 1st: is is possible to extend main panel to both monitors?
[12:57] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[12:58] <nicon`> 2nd: Does tray work correctly? I can't find my programms there (skype, thunderbird).
[13:11] <nicon`> Anybody? ;-)
[13:12] <BluesKaj> nicon`, you need to set the app show in try option
[13:12] <BluesKaj> tray
[13:16] <nicon`> BluesKaj: any advice how can I add skype and thunderbird to tray?
[13:17] <BluesKaj> nicon`, do you mean taskbar or system tray?
[13:19] <BluesKaj> nicon`, are you looking to launch an app or just show it in the system tray when it's open?
[13:23] <mokush> nicon`: this is probably what you're looking for http://notmart.org/blog/2014/06/systemtray-plasma-next-and-gtk/
[13:31] <palasso> damn..... power failure just when I was 0.9 out of 1.1 GB downloading 14.10 Plasma 5
[13:31] <palasso> And power failures are so rare for me.....
[13:31] <palasso> And .iso images without torrent files as well.......
[13:33] <MoonUnit`> i use aria2 for big files, free download manager works well under wine.
[13:37] <palasso> I don't use any download manager because all the big files are torrents for me....
[13:39] <BluesKaj> nicon`, open system tray, check the appropriate categories, and then check the extra items you want in the extra itrems list and apply
[13:40] <BluesKaj> chromium has a nice dl manager, simple and it works
[13:49] <nicon`> BluesKaj: I got selected all categories.
[13:52] <BluesKaj> nicon`, are you trying to launch apps or just monitor them?, your question isn't clear to me.
[13:53] <nicon`> BluesKaj: monitorem them.
[13:55] <MoonUnit`> trouble i found with chrome/chromium if the download fails it will delete the entire partial file.
[13:57] <BluesKaj> nicon`, afaik the application needs to be configured to show itself in the system tray if the tray configuration doesn't show it
[13:57] <BluesKaj> MoonUnit`, why do you have a poor internet connection ?
[13:58] <MoonUnit`> noah_, but downloading stuff like android roms off file share sites they give you a slow download for free downloaders.
[13:59] <BluesKaj> MoonUnit`, and kget is a decent DL manager, don't see any reason to use a windows app in wine just to DL files
[13:59] <noah_> moonunit: why did you send that to me?
[14:00] <nicon`> BluesKaj: it did work on previous plasma.
[14:00] <BluesKaj> nicon`, are you on plasma 5?
[14:00] <nicon`> BluesKaj: yep.
[14:00] <MoonUnit`> i've no idea noah_ , must have hit the tab complete by accident but i don't think i did, hmm.
[14:01] <MoonUnit`> was supposed to be 'no,'
[14:01] <BluesKaj> ahh, lots of things don't work on 5, it's not supported here , try #kubuntu-devel
[14:01] <BluesKaj> nicon`, ^
[14:01] <nicon`> BluesKaj: thanks.
[14:02] <nicon`> Will try first some other options, if it will fail I'll ask in kubuntu-devel, thanks :-)
[14:02] <MoonUnit`> don't like everything turning flat, won't upgrade to plasma5 until themes can fill it out.
[14:07] <BluesKaj> some users have plsama 5 working to their satisfaction,  but they're mostly developers
[14:35] <Basstard`> Will gtk2-engines-oxygen/oxygen-gtk be updated in 14.04 from 1.4.5 to 1.4.6 that was released yesterday?
[14:36] <Riddell> Basstard`: unlikely, should it be?
[14:38] <Basstard`> Riddell: For example: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=339174
[14:40] <Riddell> Basstard`: you can put a polite request on https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1385316 and a nice packager might take it on
[14:42] <BluesKaj> !factoid
[14:43] <nicon`> Okay, got skype icon working in tray (plasma5)... Now it would be nice to get it working for thunderbird, any advices? :-)
[14:52] <BluesKaj> thunderbird can be configured to reside in the tray as well, nicon`
[15:00] <nicon`> BluesKaj: how? :-)
[15:00] <nicon`> I'm using "firetray".
[15:02] <BluesKaj> nicon`, close thunderbird and relaunch after making changes, or sometimes a logout and relogi in works
[15:02] <desper4do> nicon`, there is tray icon plugin for thunderbird
[15:04] <BluesKaj> desper4do, he's using plasma 5
[15:05] <desper4do> so it doesn't work?
[15:05] <nicon`> Yes, it doesn't work :-)
[15:06] <nicon`> BluesKaj: well, closing thunderbird, relaunching, logout and reloging didn't helped :-)
[15:06] <desper4do> what about to create another panel?
[15:07] <desper4do> and just check if something changes
[15:07] <nicon`> desper4do: what do you mean?
[15:08] <desper4do> right mouse on desktop -> add panel have you got like that?
[15:08] <desper4do> just get an extra panel with anothery tray
[15:08] <desper4do> another*
[15:10] <BluesKaj> desper4do, how will another panel change anything ?
[15:11] <desper4do> maybe it will work? :)
[15:11] <nicon`> desper4do: nope. It's won't work..
[15:43] <safiyyah> Hi all, just moved from ubuntu 14.04 to kubuntu and I had my printer working with no issue in ubuntu, however in Kubuntu after installation, it says it's idle and claims to have finished jobs sent to it (but it never even printed them)
[15:43] <safiyyah> I have a brother mfc-j430w
[15:44] <safiyyah> looked at the brother website, I have tried everything I have seen on there
[15:45] <soee> safiyyah: sorry i have no printer, cant help here
[15:50] <aloo_shu> Problem with wireless networks not beeing recocgnized.Anybody there too look into it with me?
[15:52] <lordievader> aloo_shu: Is the wireless nic recognized?
[15:52] <aloo_shu> nic  = ?
[15:52] <aloo_shu> explain (thanx for helping)
[15:53] <lordievader> aloo_shu: Network Interface Card, what is the output of 'iwconfig'?
[15:53] <lordievader> !paste | aloo_shu
[15:53] <aloo_shu> ubottu, your daft
[15:55] <aloo_shu> lordievader, ubottu screwed your intentions. the wireless card works, other networks get recognized and I can connect
[15:56] <aloo_shu> I am in an environment where idendtical SSIDs are emitted from different devices, such as range extenders
[15:57] <aloo_shu> that seems to cause the trouble
[15:58] <lordievader> aloo_shu: Ah, in the network manager you can select which BSSID you want.
[16:01] <aloo_shu> I have gone through the work of using the connections editor to configure networks with different names to explicitly connect to one BSSID (mac) for a given SSID. That works immediately after configuring, but after some [reconnects|reboots|time], networks that are already configured, do not show up, or get newly auto-added
[16:02] <aloo_shu> turning wifi on and off, helps to make (some) networks seen again
[16:03] <aloo_shu> deleting all connections and starting over, also may work, but I don't want to make a habit of it :
[16:04] <aloo_shu> so that's roughly the situation , lordievader
[16:06] <lordievader> aloo_shu: I suppose that is just the difficulties of Wifi. Some beacons you simple miss.
[16:07] <aloo_shu> could be, but my android device picks up those networks
[16:07] <BluesKaj> connections edit in network manager , aloo_shu?
[16:08] <aloo_shu> so does windows, I believe, do not want to reboot now, lordievader
[16:08] <aloo_shu> BluesKaj yes, that's what I did
[16:09] <aloo_shu> or hang on , BluesKaj
[16:12] <aloo_shu> well, BluesKaj, I have "Network Manager Settings", but the part of network management that edits networks, is calling itself "Connection editor" or "Kde-nm-con.....something"
[16:12] <aloo_shu> suppose that's it, all KDE default apps that came with kubuntu
[16:12] <BluesKaj> aloo_shu, usually choosing the connection to your ISP and using the WPA & WPA2 settings is enough if NM auto-finds the mac address for the chosen connection  should work
[16:14] <aloo_shu> BluesKaj should, but doesn't. read what I've told lordievader since about 16:50 UTC
[16:17] <BluesKaj> aloo_shu, bummer, I've never encountered such a situation with multiple devices broadcasting the same ssid
[16:18] <BluesKaj> perhaps tie the local IP to the mac address, but that usuall reqiures access to the gateway AP software
[16:20] <aloo_shu> and, BluesKaj , I do not want NM to auto-find the BSSID , I am in an environment with various range extenders duplicating SSID, and only want to connect to a specific range extender, the one I've ticked  "Automatically connect", but would like the others displayed under different names. NM does that, but screws up soon
[16:21] <lordievader> aloo_shu: I think that NM checks which BSSID has the highest SNR anc connects to that.
[16:24] <aloo_shu> lordievader it behaves a bit like that, but that means NM overrides my choices of "Automatically connect" and of Networks tied to BSSIDs, and it doesn't explain why NM stops seeing networks that my android does see allright
[16:25] <Okitain> Hey people. Is there an instruction on how to roll back to KDE4 from a KDE5 installation?
[16:30] <BluesKaj> Okitain, remove kubuntu-plasma 5 desktop and kf5 for starters
[16:30] <Okitain> BluesKaj: and then what? Just install kubuntu-desktop?
[16:31] <aloo_shu> so lordievader , as quick tries, I am looking at trying out a different NM that doesn't screw things up like that, any suggestions ? or, re-install the bit of core software that the NM must be talking to with apt, and see if things improve, only I don't know which package(s) that would be
[16:31] <BluesKaj> Okitain, it depends how you installed plasma 5 first of all
[16:34] <Okitain> BluesKaj: by PPA and the metapackage.
[16:34] <BluesKaj> next ppa Okitain ?
[16:35] <TheFakeazneD525> ppa:neon/kf5?
[16:35] <Okitain> BluesKaj: yeah, that one
[16:40] <lordievader> aloo_shu: I suppose that 'Automatically connect' applies to the ESSID not the BSSID.
[16:41] <lordievader> Okitain: Run ppa-purge on it, but expect breakage.
[16:41] <BluesKaj> Okitain, scroll about halfway down http://www.webupd8.org/2014/07/how-to-install-plasma-5-in-kubuntu-1410.html
[16:42] <BluesKaj> substitute 14.04 if needed
[16:43] <aloo_shu> well , lordievader , it SHOULD apply to the network as I've so cumbersomely defined it. hang on, I'm testing things in the Connection editor
[16:44] <lordievader> aloo_shu: Exactly the network, the ESSID ;)
[16:46] <aloo_shu>  so how do I tell it to auto-connect ONLY to one specified BSSID, or in other words, why am I given the option to choose a BSSID from a drop down menu to begin with?
[16:46] <lordievader> No idea.
[16:47] <aloo_shu> :) artificial intelligence, it must be
[16:48] <aloo_shu> so other NM's that would work on top of kubuntu, or a suggested list of packages to try re-installing?
[16:48] <lordievader> aloo_shu: Its the relative position of the moon, sun and the planets ;)
[16:49] <aloo_shu> lordievader : could someone STOP them please and tell them not to move when my connection DOES work?
[16:49] <lordievader> aloo_shu: Contact NASA :P
[16:51] <BluesKaj> aloo_shu, you could set this up in network interfaces with static IP, reolv.conf and hosts.allow, but the tutorials I have aren't for wifi :(
[16:52] <lordievader> BluesKaj: None of that has anything to do with what BSSID is connected to.
[16:52] <BluesKaj> well, not exactly since it is wifi
[16:53] <lordievader> BluesKaj: You are thinking Layer 3 while it is a Layer 2 (perhaps even Layer 1) problem.
[16:55] <BluesKaj> why would different devices be braodcasting the same ssid ...that's a setup that seems unworkable
[16:56] <lordievader> Actually it is great. They you can walk around an entire campus while not loosing your connection.
[16:56] <Okitain> BluesKaj: multiple routers?
[16:57] <BluesKaj> different devices connected to the dasme gateway yeah lordievader, but this sounds like they aren't
[16:57] <BluesKaj> same
[16:58] <aloo_shu> BluesKaj a big building with several WLAN APs for one network. And some range extenders thrown in. No, I believe it is not unusual
[16:58] <lordievader> BluesKaj: 24-17:56 < aloo_shu> I am in an environment where idendtical SSIDs are emitted from different devices, such as range extenders
[16:59] <BluesKaj> yes and all connected to the same gateway I bet
[16:59] <rww> if it's done properly it should be working out of the box, like it does for me at my workplace :\
[16:59] <rww> so if it's not, then something unusual is afoot; I tend to agree with BluesKaj
[17:00] <aloo_shu> and maybe different routers and my neighbour's range extenders, too, that's the PRECISE reason why I would like to tell NM to pick my favourite from that chaos
[17:02] <aloo_shu> so yes, there can bo two problems : the way the network(s) here are configured (none of my doing), but also, and there's some things that point to it, NM not working very harmonically with whatever it is a frontend to
[17:03] <aloo_shu> a poorly configured network does NOT explain why my kubuntu stops seing networks my android sees
[17:04] <BluesKaj> aloo_shu, yes, I've never been a fan of NM, but unfortunately I need it for vpn and wifi
[17:05] <aloo_shu> but let me be off for some more testing, wait 5min or until I'm back before posting answers
[17:24] <basse> hi, i just upgraded to 14.10 .. everything went without any troubles, which is just awesome. congrats!
[17:25] <basse> but one problem remained that i thought would automagically disappear. kate doesn't seem to load up my python plugins.
[17:26] <basse> i dont know what's changed in the last couple of kubuntu versions, but kate just seems to ignore my scripts. they don't appear on pate settings so i can enable/disable them.. and i dont get any errors either.
[17:26] <basse> anyone using kate with pate and doing custom plugins?
[17:30] <BluesKaj> basse, what's pate, don't see it in the repos
[17:32] <basse> BluesKaj: pate is python plugin system in kate
[17:33] <basse> BluesKaj: basicly first you enable pate -plugin in kate.. and then you can enable plugins written in python
[17:34] <basse> but last kubuntu vesrion and this one... i can only use plugins that come with kate.. none of the custom ones show up..
[17:34] <basse> strange
[17:36] <aloo_shu> BluesKaj,lordievader,rww : back. I have one network apart that does work (mostly), but I had to disconnect to test the network the connections of which I had completely removed from NM to begin anew. Now the network does get picked up, I connect, fine. Now, within NM Connection editor, I give that network a name like SSID/1 , and pick the BSSID of my range extender for it. Quit, reconnect, fine. Now pick "Add", pick the same SSID, but
[17:36] <aloo_shu> different BSSID, supposedly that of the router or the building's AP, and call it SSID/2. When picking these BSSIDs, I'm shown a dropdown menu with a list of available BBSIDs and their signal strength in %. The BSSID picked for SSID/1 is at 99%, the one picked for SSID/2 at 26%. Now both connections show up when opening the taskbar network widget, BUT, and I believe that's a sign to where trouble begins, both with 99% signal strength (and
[17:36] <aloo_shu>  that in 'details', too) - NM begins mixing them up just because they refer to the same SSID. And I believe, also I cannot reproduce it right now, I've seen it conecting to two connections at the same time, I have one wireless adapter only. That's testing so far.
[17:37] <aloo_shu> although, not also
[17:38] <aloo_shu> amongst other orthographical and grammatical shortcomings
[17:41] <marcuzzo> I wanted to upgrade from kubuntu 14.04 to 14.10 and i get a ton of errors from dpkg anyone can get me some help
[17:43] <BluesKaj> marcuzzo, update, upgrade and dist upgrade before upgrading to 14.10
[17:43] <genii> marcuzzo: Also remove and purge any PPAs you may be using
[17:56] <marcuzzo> ok I find out what was the vmware services do noet have LBS comments and they then sysv-rc does not install without that x11-common do not install and all the rest as well
[17:56] <marcuzzo> would be better to advise all the ones that have vmware installed of the problem
[17:59] <genii> marcuzzo: Might want to file a bug against the package of ubuntu-release-upgrader-core at launchpad
[18:01] <marcuzzo> do you have an URL for me?
[18:04] <BluesKaj> !bug | marcuzzo
[18:09] <MosesEX> rww likes the dick
[18:09] <MosesEX> !ops
[18:10] <marcuzzo> I am working from the konsole so no fancy window
[18:10] <rww> @login
[18:11] <rww> !ops-#kubuntu =~ s/rgreening,/rgreening, valorie, shadeslayer,/
[18:11] <MosesEX> look at big shot rww
[18:11] <MosesEX> rww is going to hell when he dies unless he repents
[18:11] <shadeslayer> ...
[18:11] <shadeslayer> MosesEX: you probably want to stop
[18:11] <MosesEX> shadeslayer, same with you, yor going to hell to if you dont repent
[18:11] <MosesEX> shadeslayer, why you hate the truth?
[18:11] <shadeslayer> I ... what
[18:12] <genii> shadeslayer: Known troll
[18:12] <shadeslayer> aha
[18:12]  * shadeslayer continues with his bi annual room reorganization evening
[18:15] <lordievader> Thanks genii :)
[18:16] <genii> lordievader: No problemmo
[18:27] <1JTAASEDL> so i had the kde updates ppa on before the upgrade. should i just re-enable that?
[18:27] <aloo_shu> lordievader, BlueSkaj cannot blame you for not looking into my long post, should rather start bug report for the KDE network manager. I have found a promising replacement: wicd-gtk . So what is/are NM's package name(s), I'd like to disable or uninstall if it can be done without damage.
[18:28] <genii> 1JTAASEDL: Should be fine.
[18:29] <1JTAASEDL> genii: thanks!
[18:29] <BluesKaj> aloo_shu, let us know if wicd solves your problem
[18:32] <BluesKaj> aloo_shu, check this out before removing NM https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WICD
[18:35] <aloo_shu> BluesSkaj it does display same SSIDs with different BSSIDS as different entries with different signal strength, has autocnnect and never connect, good for my situation. no explicit VPN option, but you could add a script apparantly. let me see ur link
[18:40] <aloo_shu> ok, thanks a lot, valuable info!, BluesSkaj. I suppose in Installing... for KDE... , points 1 and 2 can be in any order , i.e. can update nm with wicd already running, or am I deadly wrong?
[18:40] <Kottizen> Hi everyone. I'm trying to run Kubuntu 14.10 on my PC. It boots and I can enter the live mode, but after a few minutes I find myself in a position where the screen has got dark. I am guessing it is related to my video card. How do I fix this?
[18:41] <genii> Kottizen: Does it just gradually darken, or does it just turn off after a certain period?
[18:41] <Kottizen> genii: It just turns off. It is not the screen saver and it is not the power saver.
[18:41] <Kottizen> The system is still on, though.
[18:42] <Kottizen> I first tried with Displayport, 4k resolution and 60 Hz.
[18:42] <Kottizen> Then I switched to HDMI with 1080p and 60 Hz, got the same error.
[18:42] <genii> Kottizen: Might try: xset -dpms
[18:42] <Kottizen> What does that command do?
[18:43] <genii> Kottizen: Most monitors have built-in power saving mode independent of what the OS does. This tells the monitor not to enter standby
[18:43] <Kottizen> genii: It is a question of two-three minutes. It does not behave like this when I use Windows.
[18:44] <genii> Yes, sounds like dpms on the monitor is kicking in
[18:44] <BluesKaj> aloo_shu, afaik nm and wicd will conflict if enabled at the same time , if you need nm because wicd doesn't work then you'll need an ethernet connection to reinstall it
[18:44] <Kottizen> It did not behave like this before I upgraded my video card, but back then I ran 14.04. I have not used my new video card with 14.04.
[18:44] <Kottizen> genii: The monitor says "no signal" and tries to find something on the two HDMI ports and the single Displayport, though.
[18:46] <genii> Kottizen: Hm, that sounds like a different issue. Some ATI/AMD cards do this, they go into power-saving but when woken up do not start talking to the monitor again
[18:47] <genii> Kottizen: What is the video card?
[18:49] <Kottizen> genii: AMD Radeon R9 280
[18:51] <genii> Kottizen: I would suggest to try adding the xorg-edgers PPA, it has the latest video drivers ( in this case the fglrx driver )
[18:53] <Kottizen> genii: How would I do that? Also, does not that require a reboot?
[18:55] <genii> Kottizen: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:xorg-edgers/ppa      ...then do sudo apt-get update. From there you should see now in System Settings...System Administration...Driver Manager   the option to install that driver
[18:55] <genii> work, afk
[18:56] <Kottizen> genii: Thank you
[18:56] <Kottizen> genii: Do you know which boot device I should choose? http://archive.kottnet.net/upload/IMAG6087.jpg
[18:56] <aloo_shu> BlusSkaj so far, I've turned off the autoconnect options for everything in NM, and they do not conflict, why should they, but yes, I will eventually get rid of NM, I believe wicd running shouldn't be a problem for doing the recommended " sudo apt-get install -d --reinstall network-manager plasma-widget-networkmanagement " (correct me if I'm wrong); and as a last resort, the 2 packages should be inside the installation .iso still to
[18:56] <aloo_shu> install from there, then update. After all, both nm and wicd are frontends only from what I understand, so not a drama
[18:56] <Kottizen> genii: I would like to keep my Windows installation on the large HDD (sda) and replace the current operating system on the SSD (sdb).
[18:57] <Kottizen> genii: I have replaced the old sdb2 by a new, fresh one. Now I need to choose a boot device and I am not sure which to choose...
[19:02] <genii> Kottizen: To be able to choose which OS at boot time from the bootloader, you can install grub to sda. If you want it to mostly go to Windows and then choose at boot time from an F key to pick from BIOS selections presented, install to sdb
[19:03] <Kottizen> genii: Thank you
[19:03] <genii> ( most motherboards have some option like F8 to choose boot device, or similar feature)
[19:05] <Kottizen> genii: It seems like it is installing now... I didn't touch my video drivers, but despite that it still works. Will be interesting to follow.
[19:06] <Kottizen> Did "xset -dpms" though, could have been that, after all.
[19:07] <genii> Kottizen: I'll be floating around but perhaps not immediately responding due to being at work, if you have other issues. Others here may also be helpful. :)
[19:08] <Kottizen> Thank you :) I'll see if I can make some dinner while the system is being installed.
[19:27] <malc_calc__> Ok, BluSkaj , excuse me for being clever, nm and wicd DID conflict, the instructions you passed me solved it. Thanks a real lot indeed, and if there are no more surprises to come, I shall have a happier life now since wicd corresponds to my needs better.
[19:27] <malc_calc__> again, it seems I wasn't on:
[19:27] <malc_calc__> Ok, BluSkaj , excuse me for being clever, nm and wicd DID conflict, the instructions you passed me solved it. Thanks a real lot indeed, and if there are no more surprises to come, I shall have a happier life now since wicd corresponds to my needs better.
[20:50] <Kottizen> Hi again, folks. How do I use a non-recommended driver? The system won't let me. archive.kottnet.net/temp/VIDEO0216.mp4
[20:50] <jimmy51v_> anyone know how to modify the kubuntu installer to allow for .'s in usernames?
[20:50] <Kottizen> http://archive.kottnet.net/temp/VIDEO0216.mp4
[20:51] <jimmy51v_> i modifed line 66 of ubi-usersetup.py to this:   elif not re.match('^[-a-z0-9_.]+$', username)
[20:51] <jimmy51v_> didn't help
[20:56] <lordievader> jimmy51v_: I get the feeling that will break alot... (not your change, the thing you want to accomplish)
[21:04] <jimmy51v_> lordievader: any examples?  googling shows redhat and others allow it
[21:05] <jimmy51v_> i'm shooting for an eventual LDAP tie to an active directory domain
[21:05] <jimmy51v_> the AD usernames are firstname.lastname.  it would be nice to have direct mappings
[21:06] <lordievader> jimmy51v_: I don't know any examples. Just my thoughts.
[21:14] <gasbag> Is there a netinst cd iso for kubuntu?
[21:16] <gasbag> crickets
[21:16] <gasbag> definitely a ghost town here
[21:20] <lordievader> gasbag: Do you mean the mini iso?
[21:21] <gasbag> lordievader: yes i think so.  I got my answer on ubuntu channel.  Thanks though.
[21:21] <lordievader> gasbag: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/utopic/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/
[21:22] <gasbag> lordievader:  cool tnx again
[21:29] <jimmy51v_> i've removed the package for kontact.  however, it still shows on my favorites menu on the k menu.  i could right click and remove it but i would prefer an automatic method.  is there a command i can run that will clean out the menu and remove listings for packages that aren't there?
[22:57] <user51564894> Just updated to Kubuntu 14.10. I can't find libglamor-dev, even though launchpad claims that it's a package in trusty. Can anyone else with 14.10 installed find libglamor-dev?
[22:58] <user51564894> Attempts to install it with apt-get end with "E: Unable to locate package libglamor-dev"
[22:58] <user51564894> Launchpad entry for the package here: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/utopic/+package/libglamor-dev
[22:58] <user51564894> Er, /s/package in trusty/package in utopic/
[23:22] <Waffl3x> what remote desktop software is avaliable for linux?
[23:25] <user51564894> If you need to connect to a MSFT RDP server, krdc works pretty well, in my experience.
[23:25] <user51564894> There's always VNC fi you don't care about RDP.
[23:26] <user51564894> Are you looking for a remote desktop client, server, or both?
[23:30] <user51564894> Waffl3x, ping
[23:31] <Waffl3x> sorry
[23:31] <Waffl3x> im juggleing a lot of things, I honestly forgot that I asked
[23:31] <Waffl3x> I want to be able to connect to my desktop from my laptop
[23:31] <Waffl3x> when im away from home, even if the computer is off
[23:32] <Waffl3x> afaik teamveiwer can do this
[23:32] <Waffl3x> but theres no linux native for teamveiwer
[23:33] <user51564894> Waffl3x, VNC might be what you need then. I think that the modern vnc is called TightVNC.
[23:33] <user51564894> Waffl3x, Oh, wait, you want your remote desktop software to wake up the machine that's asleep?
[23:33] <Waffl3x> yeah
[23:34] <Waffl3x> if its possible, afaik teamviewer can
[23:34] <user51564894> Lifehacker claims that teamviewer has a Linux client? https://www.teamviewer.com/en/help/363-How-do-I-install-TeamViewer-on-my-Linux-distribution.aspx
[23:35] <user51564894> Waffl3x, and https://www.teamviewer.com/en/download/linux.aspx looks promising
[23:36] <user51564894> Or is that not what you're looking for? I don't do remote desktop all that much, so if it's not VNC or RDP, I'm out of the loop. :/
[23:36] <Waffl3x> linux client is actually windows client bundled with wine
[23:36] <Waffl3x> it works well, but I just want to look at my linux options first
[23:39] <rodolfojcj_> Waffl3x, I have used package xvnc4viewer as a command line tool with good results, especially when dealing with low network bandwith or low resources machines are involved
[23:40] <Waffl3x> Im not good with command line yet
[23:40] <Waffl3x> not to mention it sounds like something not for me
[23:40] <rodolfojcj_> ok
[23:40] <rodolfojcj_> Remmina is a graphical tools I have used too
[23:40] <rodolfojcj_> it sometimes fails, but in general it works
[23:41] <rodolfojcj_> Remmina is not from the Qt/KDE family, I think it uses Gtk, but it works
[23:42] <rodolfojcj_> anyway Qt/KDE/Gtk all of them work on Linux plataforms
[23:44] <user51564894> Waffl3x, I have no idea about remote desktop tools that also wake a sleeping machine. Were it me, I would bodge together a listener on my router that woke up the machine in question, then proxied the remote desktop connection.
[23:44] <user51564894> But, uh, that sounds like a bit of work.
[23:44] <Waffl3x> teamviewer claims to do it
[23:44] <Waffl3x> ill look for the documentation on it in a bit
[23:45] <user51564894> *nod nod* I'm not saying that it can't be done, just that VNC doesn't do it. :)
[23:45] <Waffl3x> quick question, how do I save a file from a server
[23:45] <Waffl3x> for example
[23:45] <user51564894> CIFS or HTTP?
[23:45] <user51564894> er, what is the server?
[23:45] <Waffl3x> ill just pm you the link
[23:46] <user51564894> k
[23:46] <Waffl3x> I want to save that as a file
[23:46] <Waffl3x> instead of viewing it
[23:46] <user51564894> I would use wget or curl
[23:46] <user51564894> or
[23:47] <user51564894> just use file->save as in my browser
[23:47] <Waffl3x> any way to do it on internet explorer
[23:47] <Waffl3x> im trying to do it from withen my vm which only has ie
[23:47] <user51564894> Is the menu bar hidden? If it is, press Alt
[23:47] <user51564894> then File->Save as or whatever.
[23:48] <user51564894> I would imagine. I haven't used IE in ages.
[23:48] <bprompt> *cough* ctrl-s *cough*
[23:48] <user51564894> (yea, or that. Was just about to say that :shiftyeyes:)
[23:49] <user51564894> So, uh. Can anyone here who's running Kubuntu 14.10 install libglamor-dev ?
[23:49] <user51564894> launchpad claims that it's a utopic package, but apt-get can't seem to find it.
[23:50] <user51564894> Upgrade from 14.0whatever aborted at the ~93% mark, so I'm willing to believe that something's wrong with my config.
[23:59] <Waffl3x> okay so