[03:10] <slangasek> smoser: right; so without udev running at that point (as I would expect), I don't see any way that mountall will know that the rootfs is available for mounting
[03:10] <slangasek> smoser: I think this start condition (start on mounted MOUNTPOINT=/run AND mounted MOUNTPOINT=/) is fundamentally broken and I don't know how it ever worked for you anywhere, and I don't see any way to fix it if your intent is genuinely to block both events
[03:28] <cjwatson> (vivid auto-syncs starting shortly)
[05:24] <crocket> Hi
[05:24] <crocket> I want to install xubuntu desktop 14.04 on a virtual disk image via packer.
[05:24] <crocket> Which preseed script do you recommend?
[05:24] <crocket> packer automatically installs an OS using preseed/kickstart.
[07:34] <LocutusOfBorg1> can I ask for a sync to vivid of lucene++? bug 1245105
[07:35] <LocutusOfBorg1> this way I'll be able to fix bugs prior to the freeze in debian :)
[07:35] <LocutusOfBorg1> 10x
[07:35] <LocutusOfBorg1> xnox, I think you proposed for a sync in that bug ;)
[07:36] <LocutusOfBorg1> btw, congrats for the great release! :)
[07:44] <crocket> Why is pkgsel/include ignored in preseed?
[07:44] <crocket> openssh-server is not installed after setup.
[07:46] <crocket> "d-i pkgsel/include string openssh-server build-essential debconf-utils" was ignored.
[07:46] <crocket> Why?
[08:51] <mgedmin> why is chromium-browser in utopic older than the version in trusty-updates?
[13:01] <michele> hi there
[13:01] <michele> i am on ubuntu 14.10, how do I get the development version? (I tried with 'do-release-upgrade -d' but it says no dev version available)
[13:07] <geser> either wait till do-release-upgrade supports it again or modify your sources.list yourself
[13:13] <mitya57> LocutusOfBorg1: lucene++ synced
[13:15] <LocutusOfBorg1> mitya57, thanks!!!!
[13:16] <LocutusOfBorg1> let's hope it will build, fox xnox's happynes (and mine of course)
[13:17] <mitya57> For happiness of boost transition :)
[13:18] <LocutusOfBorg1> yes of course ;)
[13:19] <LocutusOfBorg1> wow the development has already started? I see buildd building a lot of packages... I thought some days were required for the import start
[13:19] <LocutusOfBorg1> wonderful!
[13:29] <smoser> slangasek, well, i dont know how it works on intel, but it does. with or without initramfs. it works everywhere with initramfs. and works in lxc.
[13:29] <michele> geser: should I modify my sources.list to match with 15.04 codename?
[13:30] <smoser> this came about because i wanted to write some status to /run. at first i just did it, but that sometimes failed (in race conditions with /run getting mounted).
[13:31] <LocutusOfBorg1> is the arch:all now built on amd64?
[13:33] <smoser> i guess if i have to i drop that and figure some way to try to write to /run
[13:40] <geser> michele: yes, but if you need to ask then it's probably not a good idea if you switch that early
[13:40] <geser> LocutusOfBorg1: yes
[13:48] <coreycb> infinity, can we get ipxe-precise into trusty-updates?  hallyn says "i thought infinity had accepted it out of NEW"  (fyi jamespage)
[13:59] <crocket> hi
[13:59] <crocket> Where can I find a proper ubiquity preseed for ubuntu 14.04 trusty?
[14:09] <jodh> stgraber: hi - could you bump the priority of this livecd-rootfs ppa build please: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-foundations-team/+archive/ubuntu/ubuntu-core-system-image/+packages ?
[14:10] <stgraber> looking
[14:11] <stgraber> jodh: done
[14:11] <jodh> stgraber: thanks!
[14:14] <crocket> Can anyone help me automate ubiquity with preseed?
[14:14] <crocket> Or can I install xubuntu-desktop in ubuntu server installer?
[14:15] <cjwatson> Use the server installer for what you want; you can't do package selection in ubiquity preseeding.
[14:17] <crocket> cjwatson, Where can I find documentations about preseeding ubiquity?
[14:17] <crocket> I can't find appropraite documentations
[14:18] <cjwatson> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbiquityAutomation is all I'm aware of
[14:18] <crocket> cjwatson, Then, it seems that ubiquity sucks.
[14:19] <cjwatson> You're welcome to your opinion, but you are required to be respectful in Ubuntu channels.
[14:19] <cjwatson> It has design criteria that do not match your requirements.
[14:19] <cjwatson> So use something else.
[14:21] <crocket> cjwatson, Can I invoke debian-installer from xubuntu iso?
[14:28] <crocket> I guess not.
[14:28] <crocket> Can I use https://help.ubuntu.com/14.04/installation-guide/example-preseed.txt for preseeding ubuntu server 14.04?
[14:29] <crocket> The file says "for squeeze"
[14:29] <cjwatson> crocket: It's probably simplest to use the netboot mini.iso.
[14:29] <cjwatson> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/netboot/
[14:29] <crocket> cjwatson, why?
[14:29] <crocket> cjwatson, I still need to provide preseed for it.
[14:29] <cjwatson> Because that has the fewest dependencies on any particular set of packages, and you want to select your own.
[14:29] <cjwatson> debian-installer isn't on the Xubuntu desktop image.
[14:29] <cjwatson> And of course you need to provide a preseed file.
[14:30] <cjwatson> https://help.ubuntu.com/14.04/installation-guide/example-preseed.txt should be a good start despite the erroneous header.
[14:30] <crocket> cjwatson, Does the choice between netboot and iso make a difference in preseeding>
[14:30] <crocket> cjwatson, Does the choice between netboot and iso make a difference in preseeding?
[14:31] <crocket> By the way
[14:31] <crocket> I don't know how to make packer use netboot image.
[14:31] <cjwatson> Not really, it just means you don't end up with weird restrictions like maybe only being able to request packages that are on the image.
[14:34] <crocket> cjwatson, Does ubuntu server iso impose such a restriction?
[14:34] <cjwatson> crocket: I'm in a meeting and can't remember right now.  Feel free to try it.
[15:13] <crocket> cjwatson, netboot is indeed better.
[15:13] <crocket> I'm not sure if the same preseed can be applied to netboot as well as standard server iso.
[15:19] <cjwatson> crocket: They're very similar, so normally you should be able to.  Not promising there are no details to sort out, but you can use it as a nearly perfect starting point.
[15:20] <crocket> cjwatson, It is slow to download.
[15:23] <cjwatson> Most people deploying netboot installation on >1 machine use a local mirror.
[15:25] <crocket> cjwatson, No, I mean the netboot installer is slow to download packages.
[15:25] <crocket> downloading mini.iso itself is fast.
[15:25] <cjwatson> You probably want to preseed it to use your local mirror.
[15:26] <cjwatson> The installer itself is basically just using wget, nothing fancy.
[15:26] <crocket> wget is slow
[15:27] <cjwatson> That would be rather dependent on where it's fetching from.  Like I say, preseed a local mirror.
[15:27] <crocket> hmm....
[15:28] <crocket> cjwatson, a local mirror of what
[15:28] <cjwatson> Ubuntu
[15:28] <sarnold> the archive
[15:28] <cjwatson> Search for "mirror" in example-preseed.txt
[15:29] <crocket> Ok
[15:29] <crocket> "d-i mirror/http/hostname string jp.archive.ubuntu.com"
[15:33] <crocket> Will I get a xubuntu desktop from netboot?
[15:34] <sarnold> if you install the xubuntu metapackages
[15:34] <crocket> sarnold, "tasksel tasksel/first multiselect xubuntu-desktop"
[15:34] <crocket> Man...
[15:35] <crocket> https://help.ubuntu.com/14.04/installation-guide/example-preseed.txt is not correct.
[15:35] <crocket> https://github.com/mitchellh/packer-ubuntu-12.04-docker/blob/master/http/preseed.cfg is.
[15:36] <crocket> For example....
[15:36] <crocket> "preseed partman-lvm/confirm_nooverwrite boolean true" is not in the official documentation.
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[15:52] <crocket> Man
[15:52] <crocket> Building a xubuntu desktop from mini.iso is a long journey.
[15:52] <crocket> Retrieving thousands of packages!!!
[15:52] <crocket> I'm going to die
[16:21] <infinity> mvo_: Where do I find you?
[16:21] <sarnold> infinity: security team room
[16:21] <infinity> sarnold: Ta.
[16:32] <ara> slangasek, hey! as part of your SRU duties today, could you please have a look to this pending sru in trusty, please?
[16:32] <ara> slangasek, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/trusty/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text=ubuntukylin-theme
[16:33] <ara> slangasek, it has been in the queue since July, and it is needed for Kylin
[18:12] <slangasek> smoser: yes, and I have no idea how or why it works for you; it's working for you /counter to the design/.
[18:12] <slangasek> smoser: so I'm not going to try to debug the case where it /doesn't/ work when that is consistent with the design
[18:31] <smoser> slangasek, idont understand why its counter to design.
[18:31] <smoser> udev starts on virtual-filesystems
[18:31] <smoser> which should be reachable
[18:32] <slangasek> virtual-filesystems is not reachable, you're blocking the return of the mounted MOUNTPOINT=/run event
[18:32] <smoser> yeah, you're right.
[18:32] <smoser> something must be mounting /run
[18:32] <dholbach__> mterry_, jodh: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/1385444
[18:32] <smoser> outside of mountall
[18:33] <mterry_> dholbach__, neat
[18:33] <mterry_> thanks
[18:35] <dholbach> mterry_, jodh: anything missing in the bug report?
[18:54] <jodh> dholbach: bug updated.
[18:56] <dholbach> jodh, done
[19:34] <dholbach> jodh, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/logrotate/+bug/1385464
[19:35] <tumbleweed> Laney: are you doing anything about distro-info in stable releases? #1381995 looks stalled, and doesn't mention the coupling with a distro-info update
[19:36] <Laney> tumbleweed: It's not coupled
[19:36] <tumbleweed> oh, you went with -29
[19:36] <tumbleweed> duh
[19:36] <Laney> And no, I haven't chased. :(
[19:38] <tumbleweed> one less thing in my todo list :)
[21:17] <ahoneybun> ping
[21:17] <ahoneybun> darkxst: hello
[21:18] <darkxst> ahoneybun, hi
[21:19] <ahoneybun> hows it going ?
[22:03] <dupondje> Guys. Is there a way to get a package synced into Utopic?
[22:03] <dupondje> or just a small patch subset allowed?
[22:03] <dupondje> (package = unetbootin)
[22:07] <tumbleweed> dupondje: normal SRU rules. Small patches strongly preferred.
[22:09] <dupondje> cause unetbootin is just useless now, can't create a good bootable usb
[22:09] <tumbleweed> that does make getting an SRU approved quite easy
[22:11] <dupondje> just debdiffed the new version vs the current in utopic, and its quite like only that issue that got fixed in the new upstream version
[22:11] <dupondje> so guess we can just sync then?
[22:12] <tumbleweed> put some effort into trying to find a minimal patch, first
[23:21] <Noskcaj> When are the vivid bzr branches expected to be up?