[06:55] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:39] <diplo> freenode issues this morning then
[07:42] <MooDoo> diplo: feel a bit used actually, i mean i've not been kicked off :(
[07:46] <diplo> You were earlier ?
[07:47] <diplo> * MooDoo has quit (*.net *.split)
[07:47] <diplo> About 10 mins ago
[07:47] <diplo> and twice before that
[08:15] <MooDoo> oh never noticed lol
[08:42] <directhex> another untested sqlite release which breaks banshee. thanks, obama.
[08:42]  * awilkins doesn't use Banshee
[08:42] <MooDoo> obama?
[08:43] <awilkins> He keeps pushing patches without unit tests. Pressure of the White House n'all, doesn't have time to write them.
[08:46] <MooDoo> lol
[08:49] <bashrc> I don't buy the idea that folks don't have time to test their own patches
[08:51] <MooDoo> that sounds a bit daft, who'd do a patch and not test it..?
[08:51] <foobarry> developers
[08:52] <foobarry> who are used to QA teams
[08:52] <foobarry> i've seen it a lot
[08:52] <foobarry> in software companies
[08:53] <foobarry> when arrogance means they assume it will a) compile b) fix the problem c) cause no regressions
[08:53] <ScrtServiceAgent> Talk in this channel is getting treasonous, gentlemen. "Renegade" writes good patches. Any bugs they cause are clearly the fault of the software he's patching.
[09:08] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:10] <MooDoo> morning brobostigon
[09:10] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[09:27] <safiyyah> Azelphur, ali1234 are you around?
[10:06] <Safiyyah> Hi,  am having trouble booting from USB  have an Asus E4721 motherboard
[10:06] <Safiyyah> Is anyone around
[10:08] <directhex> P5KPL-AM EPU.
[10:08] <directhex> G31 intel board. core 2 duo.
[10:18] <Safiyyah> Is there a reason I can't boot from USB?  I  made a start up disk using the startup disk creator.  I loaded the drive know the direct port at the back of the motherboard and still nothing
[10:18] <MooDoo> Safiyyah: and are you able to pick usb from the boot menu?
[10:20] <Safiyyah> Moodoo boot menu not loading am pressing f4
[10:20] <Safiyyah> I have set the bios but can't get the boot menu up
[10:20] <MartijnVdS> moodoo boot menoo 8-)
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[10:21] <MooDoo> Safiyyah: try f8
[10:21] <Safiyyah> I also tried F2
[10:21] <Safiyyah> Okay thank you be back in a minute
[10:21] <Safiyyah> This is my phone but I need to reboot
[10:33] <Safiyyah> Moodoo am I'm,  thanks a lot
[10:33] <MooDoo> brill :D
[10:34] <Safiyyah> Abit emotional today was ready to burst into tears
[10:34] <Safiyyah> You saved the day
[10:34] <MooDoo> You'll be fine, just take it step by step, if anything gets in your way, just take a step back, gather your thoughts, then try something else :D
[10:37] <Safiyyah> I did this with Azelphur two weeks ago but am really unhappy with Ubuntu so want a new system with kubuntu or xubuntu,  should smooth sailing for a minute until we get to loading the noises drivers
[10:46] <arsenip> why do cisco make wifi so complex :< lol
[10:47] <Safiyyah> Moodoo does it take extra extra long because I  selected to download updates and third party software or it's stuck?
[10:54] <MooDoo> yes it can take a bit,
[12:52] <popey> morning
[12:52] <MartijnVdS> evening popey
[12:52] <MooDoo> howdy popey MartijnVdS
[12:54] <MartijnVdS> hi Moo
[12:54] <davmor2> MooDoo: me owld Mucka
[12:57] <popey> \o/ going home today
[12:59] <BigRedS> don't you go home every day?
[13:01] <MooDoo> davmor2: howdy matey, safe trip home, for you and popey et al
[13:03] <davmor2> MooDoo: ta hopefully :)
[13:03] <popey> BigRedS: not when I'm in America, no.
[13:05] <MartijnVdS> popey: so, how's the FREEDOM
[13:08] <popey> Full of fries.
[13:13] <MooDoo> davmor2: :)
[13:19] <awilkins> Smothered in a product that cannot legally be called cheese ?
[13:20] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: "I can't believe it's not cheese"
[13:21] <awilkins> "I totally believe it's not cheese." would be a more accurate name
[13:25] <popey> i had some nice blue cheese on a burger last night
[13:25] <popey> shame the burger was cold ☹
[13:27] <brobostigon> no meltage, :(
[13:32] <MooDoo> i must admit i had some colston bassett  blue cheese last night, it was lush
[13:53] <Safiyyah> popey,  you don't know how many times that xorg.conf file has saved my hide. Got the new system going again today with it's help. Thank you so much again
[13:54] <Safiyyah> Does anyone know how to get the firefox navigation bar to stay on the browser, nothing google is returning is working
[13:55] <popey> hah
[13:59] <Safiyyah> ali1234, you will be pleased to know that I am happy on xubuntu
[13:59] <Safiyyah> very happy in fact!
[14:00] <davmor2> MooDoo: try some black bomber sometime
[14:22] <MooDoo> Safiyyah: it is good isn't it :D
[14:23] <MooDoo> davmor2: and isn't there another one with tequila in it?
[14:34] <Safiyyah> MooDoo even the kids noticed ubuntu was bloated and slow
[14:34] <Safiyyah> this is nice and fluid.... feel like I can breathe again
[14:35] <Safiyyah> just got the last hurdle now with the printer to climb and then I can muck about with what software I want
[14:36] <BigRedS> xfce always makes me think of ryanair
[14:37] <BigRedS> "this is so lacking in polish, and feels so incomplete, it *must* be efficient!"
[14:42] <shauno> ryanair's lacking polish?  I've noticed the opposite .. they're starting to outnumber the irish
[14:43] <BigRedS> hahaha
[14:46] <Safiyyah> BigRedS, well at the moment ubuntu and gnome are bloated, abit like british airways
[14:47] <Safiyyah> xfce is polished! very smooth, boots in the blinking of an eye
[14:47] <Safiyyah> and now I sound like ali1234
[14:47] <awilkins> Safiyyah, Heh, it's not bloaty and slow on a quad core i7 with 16GB of RAM and a Quadro GPU :p
[14:47] <awilkins> And an mSATA SSD backing the main HDD
[14:47] <Safiyyah> awilkins, I have a quardcore 2 or something..... too bloated
[14:47] <Safiyyah> and gnome 3 is driving me crazy
[14:48] <Safiyyah> am glad I just did a fresh install, just adding XFCE desktop environment would not have solved anything
[14:48] <BigRedS> It really isn't bloated. The windows-buttojn-search-thing is always slow, but everything else, IME, is fine, really
[14:49] <BigRedS> Until a few days ago I was regularly going between Unity and Openbox on two sets of modern hardware and there wasn't perceptible difference in response times
[14:50] <Safiyyah> well I just came off of 12.04 onto 14.04 and it was bloated in comparison
[14:50] <Safiyyah> huge difference in response times
[14:51] <Safiyyah> and that menu.... oh my god that menu. That was another thing that almost had me in tears this morning
[14:51] <awilkins> Even Windowbuttonsearchything is  fast on this piece of gear
[14:51] <Safiyyah> thank god it's god
[14:51] <Safiyyah> gone*
[14:56] <BigRedS> awilkins: really? I've always assumed it's got loads of sleep() calls in it :)
[15:03] <awilkins> BigRedS, Too many calls to some kind of database
[15:03] <awilkins> BigRedS, That's lazily loaded on first go
[15:04] <awilkins> BigRedS, If the OS loaded it in the background on starting your session   (hell, on the loging screen - the apps data is going to be the same for all users, mostly)
[15:04] <awilkins> That would work better
[15:10] <BigRedS> yeah, it seems really weird how long it takes to populate apps results
[15:11] <BigRedS> compared to, say, shell tab-completion which has to look at most of the same things
[15:11] <awilkins> The apps thing should just go ka-chow
[15:11] <awilkins> Should do it once, serialize it to a massive blob and store it on disk and only redo it when you install apps
[15:12] <awilkins> Mind, it does seem to go ka-chow on my new hardware
[15:12] <awilkins> But it's posh new hardware and a fresh install
[15:13] <BigRedS> yeah, this was relatively posh new hardware and a fresh install once :) Maybe it's quicker, too, now
[15:29] <Safiyyah> awilkins, BigRedS  its ka-chow on xubuntu for sure
[15:29] <Safiyyah> just going to reboot
[15:29] <Safiyyah> see it it will get the printer going
[15:30] <BigRedS> does XFCE have the same searchy thingy?
[15:31] <awilkins> I leave you with what happens to soy sauce when you leave a sachet of it in your desk drawer for three years
[15:31] <awilkins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/of2wftsduvdb0fl/2014-10-24%2014.01.00.jpg?dl=0
[15:32] <awilkins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/drof72n734v3dh8/2014-10-24%2014.00.03.jpg?dl=0
[15:36] <safiyyah> right I need to ask for help with setting up my printer, is anyone available?
[15:36]  * BigRedS doesn't do printers
[15:38] <safiyyah> lol
[15:45] <safiyyah> I posted the question in kubuntu but will post it here as well
[15:45] <safiyyah> Hi all, just moved from ubuntu 14.04 to kubuntu and I had my printer working with no issue in ubuntu, however in Kubuntu after installation, it says it's idle and claims to have finished jobs sent to it (but it never even printed them) . It's a brother mfc-j430w
[16:06] <safiyyah> Oh my I got the printer going, 2.5 hours later!!!!!
[16:06] <safiyyah> what was life like before google?
[16:09] <safiyyah> lol, it's one hurdle to the next.... no joy on the scanner! urghhhhhh!
[17:03] <safiyyah> trying to format a usb stick and gparted says it's unallocated, all options to format are greyed out
[17:03] <safiyyah> anyone?
[17:04] <brobostigon> are you running it as root?
[17:05] <safiyyah> there is nothing on it
[17:05] <safiyyah> it previously was the startup disk for ubuntu 14.04, but then I deleted everything from the terminal and now I can't format it
[17:06] <safiyyah> There is nothing under flags in gparted
[17:06] <safiyyah> used says --- and unused says ---
[17:11] <brobostigon> gksudo gparted . in terminal will launch it as root, and should work.
[17:13] <safiyyah> brobostigon,  got it going, little one spotted the problem!
[17:13] <brobostigon> and it was?
[17:14] <safiyyah> it was unallocated because everything was deleted. So needed to right click, > everything was greyed out except 'New' > needed to click 'New'
[17:15] <safiyyah> didnt see it, my son spotted it.
[17:17] <brobostigon> ah,
[17:23] <czajkowski> oh viber works very nicely on the Ubuntu desktop
[17:23] <czajkowski> \o/
[17:39] <czajkowski> it's easier to get Viber to work on Ubuntu than Skype!
[17:40] <zmoylan-pi> time for microsoft to buy vibre? :-)
[17:42] <czajkowski> hush you
[17:50] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: czajkowski and google+
[17:52] <czajkowski> davmor2: any ideas on how to get skype installed on utopic ?
[17:52] <diddledan_> microsoft can't buy google+ unless they seriously up their cash reserves
[17:52] <diddledan_> basically google won't sell + without the entire google empire
[17:53] <davmor2> czajkowski: yes I'm not telling you how but yes :P
[17:53] <diddledan_> which would be a lot of $
[17:53] <zmoylan-pi> well after firing 10s of 1000s of staff their cash reserves will start to improve
[17:54] <diddledan_> I doubt even apple could buy out the google empire
[17:54] <diddledan_> an oil company might have the chops but it'll be tight
[17:56] <diddledan_> google is currently worth approx 370b$
[17:56] <zmoylan-pi> google is *perceived* to be worth $370b
[17:57] <diddledan_> apple about double that
[17:57] <diddledan_> at 615b$
[18:06] <czajkowski> http://www.zoopla.co.uk/for-sale/details/34954848?tmad=c&tmcampid=35&utm_campaign=buy-alert&utm_content=contact-type-listing&utm_medium=email&utm_source=alert
[18:06] <czajkowski> bah
[18:56] <MartijnVdS> http://store.dftba.com/products/hashtag-octothorpe-shirt
[19:06] <Laney> ()
[19:06] <Laney> if you use the ubuntu font these brackets don't line up
[19:06] <Laney> SICKENING
[19:07] <diddledan_> Laney: they do on osx - it must be an x11 issue
[19:07] <diddledan_> or gtk
[19:07] <diddledan_> (yes I have the ubuntu font on osx)
[19:08] <diddledan_> I'm using ubuntu mono regular
[19:09] <Laney> it goes away at larger sizes for me
[20:12] <foobarry> anyone around?
[20:16] <Myrtti> to some degree
[20:17] <foobarry> friend called on behalf of a lady who got scammed
[20:17] <foobarry> they phoned her and got £150 out of her
[20:17] <foobarry> she got the money back,
[20:17] <zmoylan-pi> this is microsoft support...?
[20:18] <foobarry> but then they called again later pretending to be the bank who were processing the refund and then said HAH we've locked you out of your pc and need £400 wired to western unin account
[20:18] <foobarry> don't know any more details, and don't have the pc, but does it sound familiar
[20:18] <foobarry> ?
[20:18] <foobarry> wondering if just changed password, or something worse
[20:18] <zmoylan-pi> haven't heard of that one.  goes to google...
[20:19] <shauno> that'd be a variant I haven't heard of either (and I spend all day reading the internet  heh)
[20:19] <foobarry> thats as much as i can glean without seeing the pc
[20:19] <shauno> only ransomware I've come across is the crypto* family
[20:20] <foobarry> i can also find chatroulette blackmail
[20:20] <foobarry> i tihnk its more manual than ransomware
[20:21] <foobarry> maybe i'll find out if she needs the docs on the pc
[20:21] <foobarry> and wipe it
[20:23] <zmoylan-pi> go to backup and recover
[20:23] <shauno> if you're willing to help her with it, yeah, that's what I would aim for.  tell her to leave it off * unplugged until you get there.  dump the disk to backup & nuke it.  then work backwards from there to see what data you bring back
[20:24] <zmoylan-pi> i'd drop in new disc and plug old disc into linux system to pull data off it after scanning it
[20:24] <foobarry> what filesys does win7/8 use nowadys
[20:25] <zmoylan-pi> ntfs
[20:25] <foobarry> wow. old school
[20:25] <zmoylan-pi> as broken as ever it was
[20:27] <foobarry> bad doggy http://imgur.com/ChLC3va
[20:28] <foobarry> yes thats wet cement
[20:40] <zmoylan-pi> i think every foot path around here has cat prints in the cement.
[21:15] <safiyyah> night all