[13:34] hello ifsp [13:35] Good morning wrst ^^ [13:35] how are you ? [13:35] Great, it's Friday. :D [13:35] You? [13:36] same here :) [13:45] wrst: What do you think about all this systemd uproar? [14:12] ifsp: a lot of useless open source drama :) [14:12] what about you? [14:12] I'm a fan of systemd however [14:13] I use arch on the desktop and have been using it for a pretty good while now so the debate really seems majorly silly to me especially seeing what I think are a lot of the benefits [14:13] * wrst hopes he didn't just start a flame war... [14:15] I like systemd, certainly more than upstart. The drama isn't totally baseless but the detractors aren't offering any solutions. [14:58] yeah I can't say I understand drama period [14:58] but I must say I like how it works as a dumb user [14:59] I hear unit files and all of that are supposed to be better too but I have no clue on any of that [15:11] wrst: So arch still treating you well? I have it on my laptop and I'm strongly tempted to replace Ubuntu on my desktop after many years. It's the stability of LTS stopping me--I'd hate to lose my development environment to a sour -Syu and you hear those stories persistently, even though I'm sure the risk is *actually* minimal. [15:11] ifsp: my thing is watch the updates, check the website, if you need your computer to work wait to update [15:12] How often do you catch breaking changes? [15:13] last major thing that I was realy worried about was changing /bin or whatever that was [15:13] but had a step by step how to do it [15:15] and systemd was another one of those instances but just random breakage I've never had it [15:19] ifsp: I keep things pretty vanilla, no custom kernels, minimal aur packages etc so my system always seems to work well [15:20] no proprietary drivers either for video since it is intel [15:24] That's nice. I'm tempted to go back to intel on my next build for that reason. [15:26] Plenty of weird issues with my nvidia card, to wit rooted in developers trying to guess at driver APIs. [15:26] Or applying the LCD principle. [15:28] I love the AUR though and the limited obsfucation in system properties; not to mention the impressive wiki. [15:31] I feel like I'm talking myself in to it. :D Could be a fun Friday project and I can always dual boot until I man up. [16:09] ha ha ifsp [16:09] hello hashbrowns_