[00:00] I need to figgure out how im going to do my drives [00:00] I have 3 harddrives, 2 500 drives and a tb drive [00:01] how do I format this for windows and linux [00:02] NTFS, FAT32, or -if you're okay with installing some software that totally doesn't integrate with Windows Explorer, ext2 or 3. [00:02] I mean [00:02] im going to dual boot it [00:02] Im going to try to do everything on the linux side [00:03] Right, but you want that storage available in both Linux and Windows, right? [00:03] I dont care [00:03] Oh. [00:03] Then I would do this: [00:03] btw [00:03] (If I didn't care about the data on the drives now) [00:03] is there sony vegas for linux? [00:04] 1) Install Windows. [00:04] 2) Install Kubuntu. [00:04] 2a) During the Kubuntu install, resize the Windows partition as small as I cared to. [00:05] so what im thinking [00:05] tb to linux [00:05] 2b) Set the rest of the drives up as a single LVM volume group. (Maybe this is what the Kbuntu installer does automatically? I'm not sure.) [00:05] the good 500 gb drive to microsoft [00:06] and the other one for general storage? [00:06] gahh I dont know [00:06] *shrug* That's up to you. [00:06] Linux can cope with NTFS pretty well. [00:06] Windows really can't cope with ext[234] at all. [00:07] do you know if league of legends works on linux? [00:07] I don't. Check the Wine Appdb. [00:07] https://appdb.winehq.org/ [00:08] The last time I tried LoL in wine was two or three years ago. It didn't go well. [00:09] looks like its allright [00:09] so yay [00:09] what video editing programs are there for linux? [00:10] is my best bet to just use sony vegas on windows? [00:11] I don't know about video editing programs, but the top three listed in the obvious google search appear to be in Kubuntu's repos. :) [00:12] (pitivi, openshot, kdenlive) [00:12] should I pre partition my windows drive so it doesnt make the 100 mb boot partition? [00:13] is there a torrent for the KF5 version of Kubuntu 14.10 somewhere? [00:14] Waffl3x, when I installed Kubuntu, I installed Windows first, then the Kubuntu installer allowed me to resize the windows partition to my liking. === selby_ is now known as selby [00:14] well [00:15] My memory of the parition tool is fuzzy, but I do remember an advanced mode that gave you a bunch of options, maybe including the option to make LVM Volume Groups and assign partitions to Logical Volumes. [00:16] windows creates a 100mb partition if you edit it at all [00:17] and you cant change it [00:17] or it blows up [00:17] because it has the boot info in there [00:17] Okay, then don't change it? [00:17] however [00:17] * user51564894 listens [00:17] if you edit it beforehand [00:17] it wont make the 100 mb partition [00:17] and save the boot info in with everything else [00:19] My Windows install is in one single partition. I got it this way by installing Windows first, then Kubuntu second. Really, do whatever partition munging makes sense for you. The Kubuntu installer is flexible, unlike the Windows installer. :) [00:20] are you sure [00:20] are you SURE [00:20] go check in a partition manager [00:20] Yep. I'm sure. [00:20] it might have the pesky 100 mb one [00:20] *goes to triple-check* [00:20] pretty much [00:20] if you try to edit the partitions in the windows partition manager it will create it [00:20] I never used the windows partition manager [00:20] always Linux tools. [00:21] Hmm. I guess that there *is* a 100M partition at the start of that drive. [00:21] *shrug* Guess I didn't notice it, as it's a 2TB drive. [00:22] Given that the partition resize process took only a moment, that 100MB partition had to have been created by the Windows installer. [00:23] Anyway, seeing as how you have a bunch of disks to use, you might be interested in this: https://userbase.kde.org/Kubuntu/Installation#Disk_Setup , but in particular, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lvm [00:24] LVM lets you spread partitions across multiple physical disks. [00:24] I dont think I want that [00:24] I think what ill do [00:24] 1tb = linux, 500 = windows, 500 = videos [00:25] if im going to be editing videos on windows [00:25] I guess I should make the videos drive ntfs [00:29] Makes sense. [00:29] Yeah, that partition scheme makes sense for what you want to do. [00:29] now I need to figgure out how to do it [00:30] Install Windows first. [00:30] yes yes [00:30] but [00:30] Then install Kubuntu and tell the partition editor that you want to use the 1tb drive. [00:30] I backed up to one of the harddrives [00:30] Then tell your BIOS to boot from the 1tb drive. [00:31] should I unplug my tb harddrive [00:31] would you say === Waffl2x is now known as Waffl3x [00:33] I can't remember what the Windows installer does when it finds multiple harddrives. IIRC, you get to select one to use, but I can't remember for sure. [00:33] If it were me, I would unplug all but the drive I was installing Windows on to until after that install and first boot was done. [00:33] No idea what you want to do about your backup. That's your problem. :) [00:35] so unplug it? [00:35] just to be safe [00:37] I would unplug all drives that I wasn't planning to install Windows on yeah. So that would be the 1tb drive, and the 500gb video drive. [00:37] Then plug them back in after the first windows boot was done. When installing Kubuntu, I would leave all the drives plugged in, because that installer does sane things. [00:38] kk [00:42] computer [00:42] wat are you doing [00:42] computer [00:42] stahp [00:42] oh wait, no, its being good [00:43] wat [00:43] I have 4 partitions for some reason [00:52] damn [00:52] I knew I forgot something [00:52] I forgot to grab my motherboard drivers [00:58] oh-kay [00:58] keyboard isnt working [00:58] winders what did you do [00:59] That is ever the question. [01:05] user51564894: I had it plugged into the 3.0's [01:06] Waffl3x, ah, that'll do it. :P [01:08] want to help me decide what I need and what I dont need? http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/M5A99X_EVO/HelpDesk_Download/ [01:10] What are you asking? [01:15] well [01:15] network drivers I probably need [01:15] bios update I probably dont [01:16] I stopped doing Windows tech support more than a decade ago. It's too much hassle. :) [01:16] lol alleight [01:19] user51564894: how easy is it to upgrade bios? [01:19] the current version is 1708 [01:19] mine is 0901 [01:20] Waffl3x, I have an asus M5somethingEVO bios. It's easy. [01:20] should I bother with it? [01:20] Eh. Read the release notes for each version and see if you're affected by any of the problems. [01:20] Were it my machine, I would, but BIOS updates can always bring new and terrible problems. [01:21] well [01:21] it says system stability [01:21] and ive had problems with stability in the past [01:21] Waffl3x, OH [01:21] I have that very same board. [01:22] Yes, upgrade to the latest. [01:22] It's pretty critical, actually. Otherwise you get random, unexplainable hangs. [01:22] >_< [01:22] THATS EXACTLY WHAT I GET [01:22] IT'S SUCH A PAIN! [01:22] I blamed shitty power for like a month! [01:23] so upgrade to latest you think? [01:23] Yes. [01:23] So, unzip the zipfile, put the .ROM file at the root of a FAT32 formated USB stick, plug the stick in, reboot, and then find the BIOS flashing thing in the BIOS setup menu. [01:24] It's all documented in the manual, too. [01:25] aww you said it was easssyyyyyyyy [01:25] what processor do you have btw? [01:26] Phenom X4 955. [01:26] That's super-easy compared to how it used to be, back in the day. ;) [01:26] thats the one I used to have [01:26] I have the fx 8350 [01:27] Oh? How's it compare, performance-wise? [01:27] its hot [01:27] thats literally the only thing I notice about it [01:27] it heats up my room like a heater [01:27] I've heard terrible things about Bulldozer and Piledriver per-clock performance when compared to Phenom. [01:27] Yikes. [01:28] I actually bought this board to use with Bulldozer third-gen processors, but then AMD decided to not release those in an AM3+ socket. >_< [01:28] Uh, Steamroller is the name for the gen3 Bulldozer. [01:28] how do I format a usb? [01:29] I hope they arnt as crappy as the last generation was [01:29] or im switching to intel [01:30] Are you booted into KDE? [01:30] yeah [01:30] on my laptop [01:30] I think that you can use the KDE partition manager [01:31] Click on the USB drive [01:31] im going to finish up on windows before I install kubuntu [01:31] That's a very good idea. [01:32] right click on the partition, click properties, then make the File system FAT32, then click OK. I think. [01:32] If it's already fat32, then click "Recreate existing file system.". [01:32] (I think) [01:32] Then in the main window hit "Apply". [01:33] I had to unmount it first [01:33] That makes sense. [01:33] what should the flags be set to? [01:33] um [01:33] because it was a boot drive for kubuntu [01:33] probably doesn't matter, but lemmy look [01:34] Yeah, doesn't matter. I guess boot could be checked. [01:34] But don't check "Hidden". [01:34] You're just using this to store your BIOS upgrade, yes? [01:34] should lba be unchecked? [01:34] yeah [01:35] On my FAT32 drive, the only thing checked is Boot [01:35] recreate existing file system = format right? [01:35] and I bet that that could be unchecked. [01:35] Yes, it does. [01:35] You'll get a warning and nothing will be done till you hit apply in the main window. [01:36] oops [01:36] I shreaded it [01:36] :) [01:36] Heh. That'll take a while, I bet. [01:37] its done [01:37] btw [01:37] Cool. So, you should be able to remount it and copy the .ROM file. [01:37] I just noticed [01:38] my harddrive is extended format [01:38] like [01:38] the partition is extended [01:38] is that bad? [01:38] No. [01:38] someone was telling me something about it earlier [01:38] they said it could be good or bad [01:38] There's an arcane reason why that's a thing. I can dig up the wikipedia article. [01:38] but I only need 2 partitions on it [01:39] I cant mount the usb for some reason [01:39] Don't worry about it. [01:39] eh? [01:39] What's the reason? [01:39] idk [01:39] its greyed out [01:40] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disk_partitioning#Extended_partition and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extended_boot_record for more than you ever wanted to know about MBR partitioning and extended partitions. [01:40] hmm [01:40] Greyed out in Dolphin? [01:40] partition manager [01:40] also dolphin is being weird [01:40] it still shows it as multiboot [01:40] strange [01:40] um [01:40] hmm [01:40] try [01:40] sudo partprobe [01:40] in a terminal? [01:40] user51564894 you have been muted for 60 seconds as it looks like you are pasting lots of lines into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com and paste just the URL of your data here when you are unmuted [01:41] >.> [01:41] Whoops. So, try that in a terminal. [01:42] Then maybe dolphin will be informed of the new partition table on the usb device. Or just remove it and plug it back in? [01:42] oh [01:42] I know [01:42] I didnt click apply [01:42] duh to the duh [01:42] lulz [01:43] im used to things updating as I go [01:44] Error: create filesystem fat 32 on partition [01:44] Hrrm. We could try it manually from a terminal. What's the path to the partition on the usb device? [01:45] /dev/sd{what?} [01:45] im just going to shread it [01:45] and then remake it [01:45] Okay. [01:47] do I need any of the bios utilities from here? [01:48] I never used them. [01:48] so I just unzip the file [01:48] put it in the usb drive [01:48] and boot from usb? [01:48] Yeah, the .ROM file [01:48] then boot into bios setup [01:48] like press F2 or something after you reboot [01:49] like smash it a bunch [01:49] The manual tells you how to do the update [01:49] http://dlcdnet.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/SocketAM3+/M5A99X_EVO/E6411_M5A99X_EVO.zip [01:49] probably is the manual [01:50] I have the manual right here [01:50] what page? [01:51] Dunno. Check the table of contents, dude. :) [01:53] manual is being useless [01:54] Check, uh, page 3-33 [01:55] And then page 3-1 for how to get into the BIOS setup program. [01:55] okay 33 [01:55] so many options I was getting confused [01:56] It's good to slow down and read carefully. Nothing wrong with re-reading a section to make sure you understand it. :) [02:03] so [02:03] my ram is running at 1333 speed [02:03] but its 1600 ram [02:03] Is the bios set to use automatic RAM speed? [02:04] I dont know [02:04] Waffl3x: most probably [02:04] Waffl3x: what cpu have you got? bios should tell you [02:05] amd fx 8350 [02:05] ultrixx, we're in the BIOS config, poking around with settings now. :) [02:05] ah ok [02:05] Waffl3x, in the "simple configuration mode" in your BIOS config, is the center button pressed? [02:05] The one that's "balanced performance and speed" or whatever? [02:05] yeah it was, but im not there right now [02:05] im in advanced [02:06] ultrixx, it turns out that Waffl3x and I have the same mobo. [02:06] :D [02:06] user51564894: cool [02:06] Ah, well, go to the AI Tweaker menu and check to see if the Ai overclock tuner is set to auto [02:06] and the memory frequency also set to auto [02:07] its set to auto [02:07] so is memory frequency [02:07] And the "Current memory frequency" at the top says 1333 ? [02:07] 1439 [02:07] hnnh. [02:08] on the main page it says 1333 [02:08] try rebooting. (press f10, I think?) [02:08] maybe you changed some settings and they'll get applied at next boot? [02:08] Then get back into the bios setup menu, of course. [02:08] Oh, have you flashed to the new bios yet? [02:09] it says 1333 now [02:09] compiling should be extremely fast with the 8350 [02:09] yeah I flashed to new bios [02:09] not that im going to compile ultrixx [02:09] ^^ [02:10] Hnnh. I wouldn't worry about the RAM speed thing right now. Might come back to it later, after you've installed your OSs, and made sure that the're stable. [02:10] **They're stable [02:10] Though [02:10] you could load the default options, save, reboot, and see what changed. [02:10] well I just flashed it [02:10] so it was default [02:11] mmm [02:11] I load defaults after a flash, just to be paranoid. :PO [02:11] there should be an option "set optimized defaults" [02:11] Probably not needed, though. [02:11] There is one thing you should change before you install windows. [02:11] im just going to set it to 1600 [02:11] (Have you installed windows?) [02:11] yeah I have [02:11] I installed exactly 2 things [02:11] windows and my graphics drivers [02:12] Waffl3x, you should be careful with changing the memory timings. The BIOS usually gets it right. [02:12] I doubt its going to explode in my face [02:12] Anyway, um. Because you're gonna be running Linux you want to turn on IOMMU [02:12] so [02:12] IOMMU? [02:12] Yeah. Go to Advanced->North Bridge Configuration [02:12] Waffl3x: thats amd speak for vt-d [02:12] Then change IOMMU mode from Disabled to 64MB. [02:13] That'll make virtualization faster, if you use it. [02:13] And won [02:13] 't hurt anything if you don't. [02:13] ultrixx, vt-d is Intel-speak for IOMMU. ;) [02:14] ok^^ [02:14] Waffl3x, I'm pretty sure that I've toggle that option after I installed Windows, and nothing bad happened afterwards. === Michael__ is now known as Guest60771 [02:14] user51564894: what is virtualization? [02:14] Vmware. [02:14] ah [02:14] Virtualbox. [02:14] thats what I thought [02:14] *nod nod* [02:14] AFK for a bit, feeding cats. [02:14] kk [02:15] what a pity that amd is not very successful businesswise [02:16] ultrixx: what are these chipset updates http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/M5A99X_EVO/HelpDesk_Download/ [02:16] ? [02:17] do you mean the windows drivers? bios updates or utilities? [02:18] the chipset section [02:19] also which of the usb downloads do I take? [02:19] \ [02:20] the latest [02:20] seems to be the same software [02:20] just different version [02:21] yeah there is one "full package" i guess with extra software and then driver updates [02:22] so i guess you are supposed to install the full package and then update with the latest driver [02:22] Waffl3x, If I were tinkering with memory speed, I would run memtest86 for a day or so to make sure that the changes I made were stable. Memtest86 is a thing that you boot into that pretty thoroughly tests your RAM. You can install it once you've installed Kubuntu. [02:22] quite stupid to not document that [02:22] ultrixx: what are you talking about? [02:22] the big package of needless software? [02:22] ultrixx, ASUS's download descriptions are a bit whacked out. :) [02:23] i talk about usb [02:23] ah [02:23] there seems to be one big package and two update packages [02:24] at least that is my interpretation of things here [02:24] no [02:24] thats not at all what it is [02:24] aha [02:24] the big one is a booster, the other 2 are drivers for it [02:25] what about the chipset section? [02:25] anything I need there? [02:25] yes you should install all drivers [02:26] what do they do? [02:27] user51564894: whats your take on the chipset section? [02:27] Waffl3x, I don't do Windows tech support, remember? [02:27] its not windows for all of it [02:27] Kubuntu comes with all the drivers you need. [02:27] srsly [02:27] Waffl3x: so what is a booster? [02:27] So, I would download none of them for Kubuntu. [02:28] Waffl3x: it's a driver [02:28] its not required though [02:28] its just to make it zoom more [02:28] Yeah, srsly. Linux supports way more hardware out of the box than Windows. :) [02:28] which may or may not be compatible with all devices [02:29] Eh. I've had no compatibility issues with the stuff I use with Linux. [02:29] no user51564894 Im talking about the booster [02:30] also, what is JMicron JMB36X Controller Driver [02:30] Waffl3x, ah, got it. [02:31] just wish I could figgure out what the damn chipset drivers that are 800 mb are for [02:32] Waffl3x: i can tell you [02:32] that's amd's all-in-one driver for chipset and graphics, the whole suite [02:33] oh [02:33] thats what you were talking about [02:33] that makes sense [02:33] so that I dont need [02:33] going to download it to see if you're right [02:34] yes you will need the extra usb 3.0 drivers because that appear to be chips from other manufacturers [02:34] im pretty sure I just need the one usb driver [02:34] btw [02:34] what is JMicron JMB36X Controller Driver [02:35] sata controller [02:35] ah [02:35] that ill need [02:35] yes i guess so [02:36] what i find terrible are the menu item descriptions in bios === Tabstar is now known as Tabmow [02:41] whys that? [02:41] there are options that are not self explanatory and have no help text [02:44] ultrixx, True. The manual may have better explanations. IMO, if the option's explanation is inscrutable, and you don't know why you might want to change it from the default, don't. :) [02:45] It probably does help to remember that ASUS is a Taiwanese company that doesn't seem to want to spend a bundle of cash translating their manuals and the like. [02:46] user51564894: very true [02:47] ugh I should have extracted these before I put the files on the other computer [02:47] I have no extraction software [02:47] Aren't they zipfiles? [02:47] Windows Explorer handles zipfiles. [02:47] And KDE has ark, IIRC. [02:47] thats what im saying [02:48] so Im forced to used stock software [02:48] and its slow as fudge [02:50] Strange. I've noticed no substantial speed difference between WE and 7-zip, nor between ark and unzip. [02:51] (I don't use WE's zip extraction wizard, though. That's a bunch of dialogs.) [02:51]