[05:20] <mapps> hi all
[07:55] <Myrtti> mornin
[08:02] <zmoylan-pi> greetings mammals
[08:02] <dutchie> morning zmoylan-pi
[08:52] <foobarry> morning
[09:28] <foobarry> waiting for the first person to broach the subject of central heating
[09:28] <foobarry> in our house
[09:29]  * zmoylan-pi put winter duvet on bed last night, what is this central heating you speak of?
[09:29] <foobarry> my facebook feed suggests it's been women so far
[09:29] <zmoylan-pi> 15 tog duvet.  snoozy warm duvet
[09:29] <zmoylan-pi> only missing a cat to purr at end of it
[09:33] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[11:45] <hazrpg> hey guys, I want to know why all the tutorials online seem to encourage using a PPA to install MATE (Desktop Environment) when  it is in the standard repo, is there any issues using the standard repo version of MATE? I'm using the normal ubuntu 14.04.1  (amd64)
[11:46] <penguin42> hazrpg: It's only just landed in the main repo
[11:47] <hazrpg> penguin42: Ah! That would make sense, so presumably it is safe to use for everyday use?
[11:47] <penguin42> hazrpg: I've not tried the ones in the main repo, my dad has been using the ones from the PPA for a few years
[11:50] <hazrpg> penguin42: Cool. Do you know if it disrupts packages that Unity uses? E.g. nautilus, etc.
[11:51] <penguin42> hazrpg: No, but it gets a little confusing - they have different names for the mate equivalents, and you sometimes find yourself running the wrong one - you often have both on the menus
[11:52] <penguin42> hazrpg: So for example the equivalent of nautilus is caja; the different names are there to let both live side by side
[11:58] <hazrpg> penguin42: that makes sense
[11:59] <hazrpg> penguin42: do you get the same problem with say network manager too?
[11:59] <hazrpg> penguin42: and do you end up with two of everything in the indicator bar?
[11:59] <penguin42> hazrpg: I'm not sure, the stuff at the back of network manager is shared, it's just the GUI that would be different
[11:59] <penguin42> hazrpg: My dad just uses mate so he doesn't hit the problem
[12:00] <hazrpg> penguin42: hmm, might try it out
[12:01]  * brobostigon just uses straight gnome3, so has none of these issues.
[12:01] <hazrpg> penguin42: It's not that I hate Unity, I mean I've been using it for a long while now (since Natty?), I just hate how much of a hog it is.
[12:01] <hazrpg> brobostigon: heyo o/
[12:01] <brobostigon> afternoodlings hazrpg
[12:02] <hazrpg> brobostigon: I considered using gnome3 - but I think the top bar on each window seems too large (although I do really like the use of that space for extra cool buttons - something I thought Ubuntu was going to add when they changed the button placement)
[12:03] <brobostigon> hazrpg: i dont see why you couldnt create your own interface theme, and change that.?
[12:04] <hazrpg> brobostigon: Oh, so the size isn't fixed? :)
[12:04] <brobostigon> hazrpg: i am not sure, but i do know, different interface themes can be applied, to change those elements.
[12:07] <hazrpg> brobostigon: cool, might look into that
[12:10] <brobostigon> cool,
[14:39] <safiyyah> ali1234, are you about?
[14:48] <safiyyah> having trouble with evolution colours, anyone have experience with it ? Here are the images
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[14:52] <ali1234> that bug again?
[14:52] <ali1234> i thought we fixed that
[14:52] <ali1234> did you install all updates?
[14:57] <ali1234> safiyyah: are you using only ubuntu packages and is everything up to date?
[15:20] <SuperEngineer> ali1234: seems like fun - is it ok if I ask you a question and then also disappear ;)
[16:03] <ali1234> very funny
[16:07] <penguin42> ?
[16:08] <ali1234> he asked me a question and then left
[16:09]  * brobostigon is trying activity tracking on his pebble with newer fw again, hoping it wont send it into a recovery loop again.
[16:22] <foobarry> Mate DE: desktops for dads
[16:25] <ali1234> my dad uses unity
[16:25] <penguin42> foobarry: Well, it works well on lower end/older machines and it works exactly like Gnome 2 which he knows how to use
[16:25] <ali1234> but he's more of a grandpa
[16:25] <ali1234> the dash is great for people with absolutely no long term memory
[16:34] <foobarry> probably a catchier slogan that "born before 1979? you might like MATE"
[16:35] <foobarry> "remember Live Aid? you might prefer old school desktop"
[16:36] <penguin42> foobarry: Hey youngster....
[16:47] <ali1234> lol foobarry
[16:47] <ali1234> dads were born in the 80s now
[16:47] <ali1234> you are getting old
[16:48] <popey> also, sexist
[16:48] <popey> ☻
[16:49] <foobarry> i don't know what mums use
[16:49] <popey> mumbuntu of course
[16:49] <foobarry> my wife is a mum and uses unity
[16:50]  * penguin42 gave his mum unity
[16:51] <penguin42> she doesn't use much - just knows to click the icons down the side
[16:53] <ali1234> my mum doesn't like unity
[16:53] <ali1234> no menus
[16:55] <penguin42> it's her first OS so she doesn't know what to expect
[16:56] <ali1234> yeah i've noticed that people tend to like unity if they have never used anything else
[16:57] <penguin42> and yes I think the hidden menus do confuse
[17:14] <DJones> foobarry: Bon in the 60's, not a dad, so Unity will do for me :)
[17:14] <DJones> s/bon/born/
[17:41] <nucc1> are the menus still in the top bar?
[17:41] <nucc1> I always found them to be too far away from where I want them to be
[19:21] <brobostigon> new dr who, :)
[19:27] <DJones> Has Capaldi been replaced already?
[19:28] <webpigeon> ?!
[19:29] <webpigeon> oh, it's saturday!
[20:20] <shauno> did someone forget to write that episode?
[20:32] <halt> HI All, planing to build my drem setup at home, and I realized that I'm not sure about the software implementations, what I try to do, is to have an low footprint desktop machine, which I still cloud for avarage browsing ant etc, but I what to back it up, with a bit more power in case I start to to power intersive stuff, like 3D drawing, or calculation, etc, how can I move task between the two setup ? ( the motivation is to be green and to not use to much
[20:32] <halt> power if it's not needed, but if i what to then bust it up )
[20:33] <halt> The small propably will be an small Intel NUC and the big guy an Aleutia M200
[20:34] <mapps> gotta stop this drinking and smoking
[20:34] <mapps> its crimina how cheap it is here
[20:34] <ali1234> if you want to be green just buy an i5 and ssd
[20:34] <mapps> i cant help myself:D
[20:35] <this> hi
[20:39] <halt> ali1234: the NUC is the one probably just i3 not i3 because of the 2 HDMI port but that's the smaller, I need an additional extra calculation power sometimes, and I'm not sure what's the best way to combine the power of two box, in general, since the MPI like solutions are quite limited, and I what to be able to push more general applications over  to the bigger machine
[20:40] <ali1234> there's really no point in doing that at all
[20:41] <ali1234> CPUs sleep to save power
[20:41] <ali1234> if you buy two computers instead of one, you are just wasting the energy used to manufacture them
[20:41] <ali1234> and then dispose of them when they are obsolete
[20:42] <ali1234> anyway if you insist on doing this, the answer is it depends what software you want to run
[20:44] <halt> "CPUs sleep to save power" what do you mean by that ?
[20:44] <halt> and how would you handle the need of more then an 4 cores i5 ? sometimes i need 16 cores xeon  currently I keep making snapshot of the desktop system to the nas, then turn on the server, and start the snapshot of the vm there
[20:46]  * penguin42 doesn't think that's such an odd approach
[20:47] <ali1234> if you really need 16+ cores then okay
[20:47] <ali1234> you need software written specially to work across multiple nodes
[20:52] <MartijnVdS> like.. the kernel's IP stack?
[20:53] <ali1234> no, like a blender renderfarm
[20:53] <MartijnVdS> or that
[20:53] <penguin42> or distcc
[20:54] <halt> I'm aware that to run on multi nodes is difficult and require special apps, that's why I was thinking to move the app across to the other more powerfull box in general, and with netwokr shave mount the current data, and also tunnel the x across with ssh
[20:55] <halt> I'm reading about the criu project now that's also looks promising
[20:56] <penguin42> oh yeh that's quite wacky, I keep meaning to look at it
[21:08] <halt> wow this crui is maybe the solution http://criu.org/Live_migration   it could move across a whole process tree, I still have to resolve the data consistency but that's easy with DRBD