[00:11] <Unit193> bluesabre: lp 1368557, lp 1357217.  I suppose we/I/someone should prep that.
[00:24] <Unit193> bluesabre: https://sigma.unit193.net/source/apt-offline_1.3.1ubuntu0.1.dsc
[00:36] <Unit193> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[01:18] <bluesabre> Unit193: cool, suppose I should try to work on that nowish
[01:19] <Unit193> bluesabre: That's the upload prepped, just needs the paperwork. :P
[01:32] <Unit193> bluesabre: And, you should have packageset.  Do you need anything else from me/
[01:42] <bluesabre> Unit193: I think that's it, thanks for doing the hard work :)
[01:53] <Unit193> Hah. :P
[01:57] <bluesabre> Unit193: want to add any ideas to http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-v-dev ?
[02:02] <Unit193> "Get ready for systemd which will land in the first half of the cycle" Pardon?  New stuff in staging, so it's not staging as much as daily.  I'm sure I'll continue to dump stuff in extras. :P
[02:04] <Noskcaj> bluesabre, Could you review the xfce sync requests on http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring/ please?
[02:05] <bluesabre> Unit193: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2014-October/001116.html
[02:06] <bluesabre> Noskcaj too, "Autosyncs will be running shortly, so give a little patience to the buildd network as they work through the queue, and no need to rush to sync your favourite package, it'll get there."
[02:06] <Noskcaj> these aren't autosyncs
[02:06] <bluesabre> ah, gotcha
[02:06] <bluesabre> then yeah, will review those shortly
[02:07] <Noskcaj> ty
[02:08] <Unit193> bluesabre: That's a SRU, for trusty. ;)
[02:09] <bluesabre> Unit193: apt-offline, right? or talking about something else now?
[02:10] <Unit193> Naaah, though I can give you more! :P
[02:15] <Unit193> bluesabre: So, which systemd stuff are you talking about?
[02:18] <bluesabre> Unit193: Adam's comment: " - Steady progress on the systemd transition, with a goal to switch over in the first half of the cycle."
[02:18] <Unit193> Aha, missed that bit. >_<
[02:18] <Unit193> :P
[02:18] <Unit193> 215 already landed.
[02:23] <bluesabre> Unit193: signed and uploaded your package
[02:23] <Unit193> \o/
[02:26] <Unit193> queuebot:#ubuntu-release: Unapproved: apt-offline (trusty-proposed/universe) [1.3.1 => 1.3.1ubuntu0.1] (xubuntu)
[02:30] <bluesabre> gettin' things done!
[02:35] <Unit193> bluesabre: Can you think of anything I should be thinking of then?  We're supposed to be "considering" extras for inclusion, right?  Nothing we want to include?
[02:36] <bluesabre> I'm just looking for ideas now, and you usually have a good idea of whats happening in various development channels
[02:37] <Unit193> 0_o
[02:37] <bluesabre> I have crazy suggestions like considering viewnoir and geary as possible new apps
[02:38] <Unit193> Ewww, -1 -1 -1! :P
[02:38] <bluesabre> haha, not a fan of either?
[02:38] <Unit193> Less so of the second.
[02:39] <bluesabre> it works well now, if not for missing contacts management or pgp support
[02:40] <bluesabre> but its super-new and likely to change at any time, and thunderbird is always pretty reliable
[02:41] <Unit193> There's those, it seems to be pretty tied to Gnome, seemed pretty basic, etc, etc.  And, look at my QA page, and guess which one I use. :P
[02:43] <bluesabre> :)
[02:43] <bluesabre> viewnior opens pretty darn quickly
[02:44] <bluesabre> "Set as wallpaper" doesn't seem to support xfce though, maybe I'll submit a patch for that
[02:48] <Unit193> ristretto isn't so bad, gpicview isn't bad except the bugs, thus the first is better. :P
[02:48] <Unit193> And it's Xfce! :P
[02:49] <bluesabre> woo!
[02:52] <Unit193> http://paste.openstack.org/show/DfSCXL0KSdgsuQMb0iuE/ FWIW.  Not very good as those stats could be off, and a few of those were recently uploaded.
[02:53] <bluesabre> hello thunar-dropbox-plugin
[02:53] <Unit193> bluesabre: Got the dalies started for Varmint?
[02:53] <Unit193> !info thunar-dropbox-plugin utopic
[02:53] <Unit193> Already covered. :P
[02:53] <bluesabre> :)
[02:53] <Unit193> Hopefully it's in your packageset.
[02:54] <bluesabre> going to update daily ppas now... wonder if I can tell things to rebuild for vivid without a re-upload
[02:55] <bluesabre> maybe a copy to the same ppa with different release
[03:00] <bluesabre> sweet, that does work
[03:05] <Noskcaj> Anything i should be working on?
[03:15] <bluesabre> I have nothing planned yet.  Updating PPAs and daily builds as needed
[03:18] <Unit193> !info systemd vervet
[03:18] <bluesabre> !info systemd vivid
[03:21] <Unit193> !info systemd vivid-proposed
[03:21] <Unit193> :P
[03:21] <Unit193> Oh yes it does.
[03:23] <bluesabre> ok, most of our PPAs should be updated as needed for vivid tomorrow
[03:23] <bluesabre> or even in a few minutes
[03:25] <Unit193> Not rebuilding the packages yet, nothing much has changed and when it does that'd require a new upload.
[04:55] <Pwnna> is there a way to reload xfwm4 so it picks up changes to .config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce.../xfwm4.conf?
[04:56] <Unit193> killall xfwm4 ?
[04:57] <ali1234> xfwm4 --replace
[04:58] <Unit193> Because of user sessions, xfwm4 will respawn.
[05:00] <Pwnna> doesn't work
[05:00] <Pwnna> i'm moving the close maximize minimize button
[05:00] <Pwnna> xfwm4 --replace doesn't pick up those settings
[05:00] <Pwnna> lightdm restart does
[05:02] <Pwnna> actually that's not even guarenteed
[05:10] <Pwnna> basically i'm trying to change     <property name="button_layout" type="string" value="CHM|O"/>, except automatically
[05:13] <Pwnna> and if i changed in the xml, it won't take effect
[07:21] <ochosi> morning folks
[07:21] <elfy> hi ochosi - bit more relaxed today?
[07:22] <ochosi> sure
[07:22] <ochosi> had a busy week, slowly fading into weekend mode
[07:22] <elfy> \o/
[07:23] <ochosi> bringing that over from -ot, since it's more -dev.. geary was intended as tb replacement
[07:24] <elfy> ok - pop3 support?
[07:24] <ochosi> i've used it for a while, it's quite good in some aspects
[07:24] <ochosi> pop3? ofc not :)
[07:24] <ochosi> or at least i think not
[07:24] <elfy> well lots of people still use pop3 
[07:24] <elfy> unfortunately
[07:25] <ochosi> weird, i don't know anybody
[07:25] <ochosi> giving them a reason to switch might be good ;)
[07:25] <ochosi> anyway, on a more serious note, it has some advantages
[07:25] <elfy> British Telecom unless they do now
[07:26] <ochosi> (speed, low on depends etc), but it also has some backdraws
[07:26] <ochosi> for me, the lack of an addressbook and pgp are the two biggest ones
[07:26] <ochosi> not sure i could recommend it based on those two things not being there
[07:26] <elfy> oh - well no need for me to hear anymore then :)
[07:26] <ochosi> i mean i personally use it, but i'm not sure it's best for default
[07:27] <ochosi> well i encourage you to give it a try though, it might develop into something we might wanna ship a bit later
[07:27] <elfy> apparently BT does do imap 
[07:30] <ochosi> there you go, BT transitioned into the 2000s
[07:31] <elfy> don't blame me - my cynicism is well founded re them :D
[07:31] <elfy> currently ALL my *buntu mail is pop3
[07:32] <ochosi> wowza
[07:35] <elfy> I'll look at that later on today 
[07:35] <elfy> but anyway I digress - no addressbook nor pgp would mean a massive -1 from me 
[07:36] <Unit193> Strong -1 indeed.
[07:44] <elfy> not changing to imap "you need to be aware that any local folder structure you might have set up within POP will be lost when you make the change"
[09:00] <elfy> well for better or worse - I added the staging ppa now
[09:00] <elfy> seems to be the only one with vivid :)
[09:27] <ochosi> hmm, i gotta check what version of gnutls is in vivid
[09:27] <ochosi> but i guess same as utopic
[09:27] <ochosi> might have to move forward soon, claws-mail isn't working anymore due to SSL3 POODLE bug
[09:28] <elfy> no version in vivid currently seemingly
[09:58] <ochosi> bluesabre: have you seen that recent docs view of evince yet? i never noticed that... could be fun to add something like that for parole
[11:03] <bluesabre> ochosi: haven't seen it
[11:03] <bluesabre> you guys make my job easy, geary is not ready for xubuntu :)
[11:04] <elfy> hi bluesabre :)
[11:06] <elfy> bluesabre: thanks for getting the staging ppa vivid ready :)
[11:07] <bluesabre> elfy: np... there might be a few packages I'll need to rebuild so they are vivid-ready... I'll take care of those tonight
[11:07] <elfy> okey doke
[11:08] <bluesabre> I'll also update branches to get ready for vivid, unless ochosi wants to do it
[11:08] <bluesabre> clone trunk to make a utopic branch, etc
[11:08] <elfy> am I going to need any other ppas's - shimmer etc?
[11:08] <elfy> really don't want to have to use more than 1 tbh - but will if I have to
[11:09] <bluesabre> depends on what we decide, we can easily add shimmer/artwork/settings daily builds to -staging as well
[11:09] <bluesabre> I just need the go/nogo
[11:09] <elfy> perhaps include this while chatting tomorrow
[11:09] <bluesabre> yup
[11:10] <elfy> and I opened synaptic to do something and now I can't remember what ... 
[11:10] <bluesabre> :)
[11:10] <elfy> it wouldn't be so bad if it was longer than 2 minutes ago lol
[11:10] <bluesabre> :D
[11:11] <bluesabre> anyway, gotta run, heading out to Ohio LinuxFest today, so got a bit of a drive ahead of me
[11:11] <bluesabre> seeya
[11:11] <elfy> safe driving :)
[11:11] <elfy> cya
[11:13] <elfy> ahah I remember now 
[11:31]  * ochosi is playing with thunar to get a better free-space indicator in the props dialog... http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-2014-10-25-133057.php
[11:32] <elfy> ooh - shiny :)
[11:36] <elfy> hi brainwash 
[11:37] <brainwash> hey elfy 
[11:39] <brainwash> I'm still curious.. was apport disabled during the utopic beta phase?
[11:39] <brainwash> usually we get quite few apport reports
[11:40] <brainwash> thunar, tumbler, and so on are known to crash a lot :)
[11:43] <elfy> apport does get turned off 
[11:43] <elfy> can't remember when
[11:44] <elfy> though I did think it's at release
[11:57] <Unit193> bluesabre: Oh right, the s/evince/evince-gtk/ thing.
[11:58] <knome> should be at release, maybe somebody forgot to turn it off. poke -release maybe?
[13:43] <elfy> brainwash: :)
[14:53] <ali1234> ochosi: someone is reporting black background on messages in evolution again, wasn't that fixed?
[14:53] <ochosi> ali1234: that happens time and time again, they use lotsa custom widgetry
[14:54] <ali1234> http://postimg.org/image/jkgss9l0f/
[14:54] <ochosi> yeah, those things have happened previously
[14:54] <ochosi> frankly, i've never found a real solution
[14:55] <ochosi> one could look into evolution's source-code and try to find out what's the offending part
[14:55] <ali1234> this is with 14.04
[14:55] <ochosi> and stock evolution?
[14:55] <ochosi> or newer version
[14:55] <ali1234> afaik yes
[14:55] <ali1234> just things from repos
[14:57] <ochosi> supposedly that issue was fixed (brainwash just pasted the link over there)
[14:57] <brainwash> fixed in greybird
[14:57] <ali1234> over there?
[14:58] <brainwash> #xubuntu
[14:58] <ali1234> oh, well, it was reported in #ubuntu-uk :)
[14:59] <brainwash> this link https://github.com/shimmerproject/Greybird/issues/40
[14:59] <brainwash> maybe the same guy :)
[14:59] <ali1234> and i'm not currently on #xubuntu, unless the same person is reporting it there?
[14:59] <brainwash> is it safiyyah?
[14:59] <ali1234> yeah
[15:01] <ali1234> so is this just an issue of not being fully up to date, or did this fix never land in 14.04?
[15:04] <brainwash> I have no clue
[15:05] <brainwash> was the fix every applied to bluebird, that is the question
[15:21] <ochosi> i haven't maintained bluebird as actively in this respect
[15:21] <ochosi> simply because it's not our default theme and time is limited
[20:17] <elfy> knome: started and even had a go with the voodoo :p http://pad.ubuntu.com/upgrading
[20:29] <ochosi> elfy: looks great!
[20:29] <ochosi> hope you don't mind that i messed a bit with some of the formulations
[20:31] <elfy> ochosi: not in the slightest - it was all *stuff* to me :D
[20:32] <elfy> oic 
[20:32] <elfy> I thought you meant all the <para> stuff :D
[20:32] <ochosi> :)
[20:32] <ochosi> looks good though, i read through the non-markup part now
[20:33] <ochosi> i think that'll be quite useful for people
[20:33] <ochosi> maybe we even get more testers with that info out there
[20:33] <elfy> which I've not really got any idea it it's right - though I *think* it's nearly right at least :D
[20:34] <elfy> synced the marked up bit
[20:38] <elfy> ochosi: as far as testing is concerned - every little helps :)
[20:56] <elfy> another jpg opens in gimp bug ;)
[21:08] <brainwash> how is it different?
[21:08] <brainwash> oh, do you mean another bug report (dupe)?
[21:08] <elfy> yea lol - marked it dupe
[21:09] <brainwash> ok
[21:10] <brainwash> it can be fixed, not sure if bluesabre has added it to his todo list
[21:11] <elfy> no idea - once we've got blueprints up we can start listing bugs we can deal with again
[21:11] <brainwash> sru team should stop slacking and release the updates for xfce4-weather-plugin and xfdesktop4 (trusty)
[21:11] <brainwash> =S
[21:14] <brainwash> I am not worried about the open with bug in utopic, but the quality of the lts release should be increased, delaying package updates does not help
[21:16] <elfy> probably not, but unless you've got a magic wand - they get done when they do ;)
[21:24] <elfy> done for Saturday - night all :)