[00:44] <AndroidKris> I have file sharing question.
[00:46] <AndroidKris> What permissions do I set to share my home folder across my home network?
[00:48] <Guest99105> is anyone here?
[00:48] <AndroidKris> I am
[00:48] <AndroidKris> I
[00:48] <AndroidKris> need something>
[00:48] <AndroidKris> ?
[00:49] <Guest99105> would you know how to install xubuntu to a usb flash drive
[00:49] <Guest99105> without needing the flash drive connected to the computer
[00:49] <Guest99105> I've tried usb installers, but all they do is burn the liveCD to the drive
[00:49] <AndroidKris> like, the flash drive is just sitting on the table next to you?
[00:50] <Guest99105> yea
[00:50] <Guest99105> I have it on my laptop
[00:50] <Guest99105> i'm using my desktop for this irc
[00:50] <AndroidKris> you have to insert the drive into the usb port to install and create a bootable flash drive
[00:51] <Guest99105> I have a xubuntu demo running from a dvd, with a flash drive installed
[00:51] <Guest99105> do I just install like I normally would, selecting the drive for installation, and write the boodloader to the usb drive?
[00:51] <ali1234> do you want a persistent system on the usb flash drive?
[00:52] <Guest99105> What do you mean persistant?
[00:52] <ali1234> like you can save files, reboot, and they are still there
[00:52] <AndroidKris> as in bootable and changes remain after a reboot
[00:53] <Guest99105> I'm basically wanting a portable OS on a flash drive. Where I can save files to the flash drive and they're their next time I boot
[00:53] <Guest99105> so yea, i guess that would be persistant
[00:53] <ali1234> open a terminal and run "sudo apt-get install usb-creator-gtk"
[00:53] <Guest99105> ok
[00:53] <Guest99105> gimme a sec
[00:54] <AndroidKris> so boot the live cd, go through the setup and point it at the usb when choosing your hdd.
[00:54] <AndroidKris> hdd being the install location.
[00:55] <Guest99105> Where would I put the boot loader?
[00:55] <AndroidKris> on th usb
[00:56] <AndroidKris> I used to have an arch install on a 36gig usb hard drive.
[00:56] <AndroidKris> Used it for all kinds of nefarious deeds.
[00:56] <AndroidKris> lol
[00:56] <Guest99105> That's basically what I'm trying to do with xubuntu on a 32gig drive
[00:57] <AndroidKris> All I did was point the installer to the external drive after booting the live cd
[00:58] <AndroidKris> make sure everything points there though. and make sure nothing installs on the hdd of your pc.
[00:59] <Guest99105> I'm in the installer now. would it work if I selected "replace windows 8 with Xubuntu" except I select the flash drive instead? or would I just need to do it manually?
[01:01] <AndroidKris> I would think manually. Because the replace option may automate a lot of the process, possibly bypassing the option to select the flash drive.
[01:01] <Guest99105> ok
[01:02] <Guest99105> I actually use to be quite good using linux. I know I've done this before, it's just been a while
[01:02] <Guest99105> when doing it manually, what kind of partitions do I need to set up?
[01:04] <Guest99105> nvm, I found a guide
[01:04] <AndroidKris> ha, good.
[01:05] <AndroidKris> cool
[01:05] <Guest99105> thank's for the help anyway
[01:05] <ali1234> when this all goes horribly wrong remember to just use usb-creator-gtk since it is the officially supported way and very easy
[01:07] <Guest99105> so does that just help to install the OS to a usb?
[01:07] <ali1234> that is the only thing it does
[01:07] <AndroidKris> There is more than one way to skin a cat alil1234
[01:08] <AndroidKris> different method...same result
[01:08] <ali1234> some ways are more messy than others
[01:09] <AndroidKris> true.
[01:09] <AndroidKris> but..
[01:09] <AndroidKris> same result.
[01:09] <AndroidKris> skinless cat
[03:36] <AntiSol> hi
[03:37] <AntiSol> I am being prompted for a password to mount the volume every time I insert a USB stick or DVD - how do I disable that?
[04:10] <holstein> AntiSol: ntfs?
[04:11] <AntiSol> doesn't matter which filesystem it is. most are probably ntfs or fat, but I also get it for video DVDs and ext4 volumes
[04:12] <AntiSol> has been happening ever since I upgraded from 12.04 -> 14.04
[04:13] <AntiSol> I've checked that I have disk permissions in settings -> users
[04:13] <holstein> AntiSol: since its an upgrade, i might test with a new user.. to remove my user config from the equation
[04:15] <AntiSol> not a bad idea
[04:15] <holstein> this is something i would reference anc work backwards as well http://askubuntu.com/questions/211623/how-to-make-ubuntu-ask-for-password-when-mounting-partitions
[04:15] <holstein> !fstab
[04:15] <holstein> ^ where relevant, you can add them to fstab..
[04:15] <AntiSol> fstab is useless here, i'm talking about inserting usb sticks
[04:16] <holstein> well.. its not useless.. its either something that you want to use, or not
[04:16] <AntiSol> the fstab suggestion is laughable, I don't know anything about the usb stick before i insert it
[04:16] <AntiSol> no, it's laughable and useless.
[04:16] <holstein> AntiSol: *if* you want to leave *any* drive hooked up to the machine.. and mount partitions, you can use fstab
[04:16] <AntiSol> it would mean: insert stick, inspect stick, edit fstab, remove stick, insert stick EVERY SINGLE TIME I use a new stick
[04:16] <holstein> AntiSol: if you dont wnat to use is, dont.. thats why i stated it as an option.. *if* it fits your needs
[04:16] <AntiSol> yeah, which makes it useless
[04:17] <AntiSol> anyway I think I have read that ubuntu page
[04:17] <holstein> AntiSol: if its usesless to you, in your use case, ignore it.. but, its quite useful
[04:17] <AntiSol> I have many fstab entries for my fixed disks.
[04:24] <AntiSol> yeah, that askubuntu link didn't help either
[04:24] <AntiSol> thanks for trying though
[04:25] <holstein> AntiSol: what did you try specifically that didnt work? and what are the errors? you just looked at those files and they are not edited?
[04:25] <holstein> AntiSol: does a new user act as expected?
[04:25] <AntiSol> yeah, i have ResultActive=yes in that file, nothing to change
[04:26] <AntiSol> well I can't test a new user without closing my session, which means closing xchat, 5 terminals, and about 100 browser tabs
[04:26] <AntiSol> so I don't want to do that just now
[04:27] <holstein> AntiSol: cool. just let the volunteers here know when you want to test some things like that.. good luck
[04:28] <AntiSol> this looks like how it would be solved if I wasn't using xfce: http://askubuntu.com/questions/445224/stop-ubuntu-asking-for-password-to-mount-second-drive
[04:28] <AntiSol> but i can't see any way to set 'mount options' anywhere
[04:30] <holstein> AntiSol: you can look in the settings of thunar or whatever filemanager you are using..
[04:30] <AntiSol> thunar. have already been through all that. all through xfce settings
[04:31] <AntiSol> before you try suggesting something mundane: I've been googling for about 3 hours now.
[04:31] <AntiSol> if your solution doesn't involve something fairly exotic I've probably tried it already
[04:31] <holstein> AntiSol: i assure you, i have no interest in being mundane.. only volunteering assistance.. voluntarily..
[04:33] <AntiSol> heh. true. sorry about my tonwe
[04:33] <AntiSol> tone
[04:33] <AntiSol> but like I say: I've been googling for about 3 hours now
[04:34] <holstein> if you try as another user, and the new user is "normal".. that tells me something about where i think the issue must be..
[04:36] <AntiSol> ok I'll try that if you really think it will help
[04:37] <AntiSol> I'll have to log out, be back in 10-15 minutes
[04:37] <AntiSol> thanks for your time BTW :)
[04:37] <holstein> AntiSol: no.. i dont think it will help.. in not suggesting it as a fix at all
[04:37] <AntiSol> I mean 'help to figure out the problem'
[04:37] <holstein> AntiSol: i think its a way to gather data about where the problem, if there is one, is, and isolate it
[04:37] <AntiSol> yeah
[04:38] <AntiSol> so I'll be back soon
[04:39] <AntiSol> ok lets be sure about what we're doing: I've gone into xfce's users/groups panel and added a new user. I'm going to give that user access to external disks on the privileges tab
[04:40] <AntiSol> do you think I should also allow access to CD-ROMs and floppy disks?
[04:40] <holstein> AntiSol: i would even look at the man pages on permissions, and add them manually in the terminal.. but, i would literally "sudo adduser" and just try that user.. the guest user.. a live CD. whatever i can do to isolate things
[04:41] <holstein> if the new user needs permissions tweaked from there, i would do that..
[04:41] <AntiSol> um.... we're talking about mounting disks, so the user is going to need to have disks access (i.e 'disk' group membership)
[04:41] <holstein> but. if you find you cant give that new user permission to do so,then, i would say you have a system issue..
[04:42] <holstein> AntiSol: ok.. do what you likke, friend.. if you are asking a question, what i would is literally "sudo adduser".. and test.. and see what happens, and move on based on the results
[04:42] <holstein> AntiSol: if you are telling me what you are going to do.. just do it :)
[04:43] <AntiSol> ok, back soon
[04:48] <AntiSol> I'm back
[04:48] <AntiSol> and guess what? you have solved my problem!
[04:49] <holstein> well, i doubt that.. but hopefully, you have been able to isolate what is going on
[04:49] <AntiSol> The new user was able to mount/unmount without a password, and now suddenly SO AM I!
[04:49] <AntiSol> I think what has happened is that one of the settings I changed earlier actually fixed it, but I needed to log out and back in
[04:49] <holstein> in most every situation, i find a fresh install the path of least resistance..
[04:50] <AntiSol> so you telling me to log out was the last step
[04:50] <holstein> AntiSol: yeah.. a logout and back in was assumed..
[04:50] <AntiSol> I HATE logging out and restarting and for me it's a last resort
[04:51] <AntiSol> so I hadn't even thought that I might need to
[04:52] <AntiSol> so, THANK YOU! :)
[04:52] <holstein> sure.. anytime
[08:35] <jyd> xubuntu 14.04, encrypted boot partition and home folder: I changed my password via passwd, not the GUI and now my login screen is looping when I enter my password.
[08:35] <jyd> Like my encrypted partition has a different password than my user password
[08:37] <jyd> When I'm at the login screen, I can ctrl alt f1, log in and my home folder is not readable.
[08:39] <jyd> I try to ecryptfs-mount-private but it doesn't accept my passwords.
[08:39] <jyd> what t f
[08:52] <jyd> So I change my password and now,, xubuntu won't mount my encrypted home partition. C'mon y'all this has got to spark an ahh ha moment for someone.
[09:02] <deshipu> jyd: change it back?
[09:04] <elfy> jyd: try the answer here http://askubuntu.com/questions/281491/cant-log-in-after-password-change-ecryptfs
[09:06] <jyd> deshipu, I tried
[09:12] <jyd> Guys thank you. I'm glad there is lit on this.
[09:13] <jyd> I may have screwed myself
[09:36] <xubuntu00w> trying to connect and use my WDmycloud any ideas how?
[11:12] <rsajdok> how to upgrade from 14.04 to 14.10 in the command line?
[11:13] <baizon> rsajdok: sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[11:13] <bazhang> no -d
[11:14] <bazhang> it's released, no longer in development
[11:14] <rsajdok> baizon: it does not work
[11:14] <rsajdok> baizon: "No new release found"
[11:14] <bazhang> omit the -d
[11:15] <baizon> rsajdok: read what bazhang wrote :)
[11:23] <elfy> rsajdok: also you'll be set to receive only LTS upgrades you need to change that
[11:23] <elfy> sudoedit /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades
[11:23] <elfy> change so prompt=normal
[11:33] <xubuntu10w> hi, want to upgrade to 14.10 from 14.04 but no sudo apt-get dist-upgrade doesn't notice new version. and software center is set to upgrade to every new version so not only LTS. what you recon
[11:35] <elfy> change LTS to normal
[11:36] <xubuntu10w> Its set to normal like I said
[11:36] <elfy> sorry - didn't read properly - we just had someone a few minutes ago the same
[11:36] <xubuntu10w> np
[11:37] <elfy> sudo do-release-upgrade
[11:37] <xubuntu10w> elfy: I'll give that a shot
[11:38] <relaxed> With 14.10 I think there's a bug where if you fullscreen the terminal or firefox you're unable to alt+tab away from the fullscreened app.
[11:41] <xubuntu10w> elfy: seem to work, still doing some calculating but I see the 14.10 codename appearing here and there
[11:41] <brainwash> relaxed: you might be right, see http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2249920
[11:41] <relaxed> If they're both fullscreened you can cycle through them.
[11:41] <brainwash> relaxed: I recommend filing a bug report against xfwm4 on launchpad
[11:44] <xubuntu10w> when I want to shutdown my laptop. I must always first logout and then I'm able to shutdown. is this because my user hasn't got the proper rights? And if yes. which group should I subscribe it to?
[11:50] <nomic> sudo halt
[11:51] <nomic> works
[11:51] <nomic> things may not shut down if you have an nfs mount
[11:51] <nomic> network
[11:53] <xubuntu10w> no nfs mount, and sudo halt. works but im trying to do it with clickin
[11:54] <brainwash> do you get any error/warning dialog window?
[11:56] <brainwash> also, open a terminal window and run "xfce4-session-logout --halt"
[12:00] <xubuntu97w> brainwash: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-session/+bug/1245937 this is my issue.
[12:02] <brainwash> so? was this package missing?
[12:03] <xubuntu97w> ii  systemd-shim                                6-2bzr1                                amd64        shim for systemd
[12:04] <brainwash> did you run "xfce4-session-logout --halt" in a terminal window?
[12:05] <brainwash> if this command fails, it will print some error message
[12:07] <xubuntu97w> brainwash: I'm currently upgrading ;)
[12:07] <Alexfrench> hello all
[12:07] <brainwash> xubuntu97w: alright
[12:08] <xubuntu97w> brainwash: but you got me starting, so start
[12:08] <xubuntu97w> so start i mean
[13:09] <xubuntu1410user> Hello. Are there any developers of Xubuntu? I want to report minor bug in Xubuntu 14.10.
[13:11] <deshipu> !bug | xubuntu1410user
[13:12] <xubuntu1410user> deshipu: But I don't know which package is bugged. Look at this screenshot: http://i.imgur.com/iDnvHSW.png
[13:13] <deshipu> then report it for xubuntu-dekstop?
[13:39] <Rayne> I like that wallpaper  :-)
[14:31] <ARM9> hi any way to resize/move the /boot partition?
[14:33] <Alexfrench> gparted tool maybe ?
[14:33] <cfhowlett> ARM9, ask #ubuntu --- can't imagine what problem this would solve ...
[14:33] <ARM9> you can't modfiy it while it's mounted and I can't unmount it with gparted
[14:34] <ARM9> it'd solve the problem of me following an awful tutorial when installing xubuntu causing me to make a way undersized boot partition
[14:34] <Alexfrench> sorry
[14:34] <ARM9> unless there's a way to purge it
[14:34] <Alexfrench> i shut up
[14:34] <cfhowlett> ARM9, "move" is not resize.  resize is easy.  boot your ubuntu usb, run gparted, resize.
[14:35] <ARM9> move and or resize
[14:35] <cfhowlett> ARM9, what size is your boot and why ^ 3 did you manually set it?  ubuntu will automagically set it correctly.
[14:35] <ARM9> because I didn't want it to wipe my harddrive
[14:35] <ARM9> because I dual boot with windows
[14:36] <cfhowlett> ARM9, ??? ubuntu will not wipe your drive unless you tell it to.   dual boot or no dual boot.  100 mb is normal /boot
[14:37] <ARM9> the only "automagical" option was to nuke other partitions
[14:37] <ARM9> I did not want to lose my windows partitions, obviously
[14:38] <ARM9> I'll try resizing it from thet live usb
[16:00] <xubuntu20w> hi
[16:00] <knome> hello
[16:00] <slickymaster> !hi | xubuntu20w
[16:01] <xubuntu20w> I'm looking to upgrade from 12.04 ti 14.04 . but in the software updater it only appears ubuntu 14.04.  Can I use that to upgrade tu xubuntu?
[16:02] <xubuntu20w> thanks
[16:03] <xangua> xubuntu is ubuntu if that is what you mean
[16:04] <xubuntu20w> My worry is that I don't like the ubuntu display, that is why I choosed xubuntu
[16:04] <knome> xubuntu20w, if you are running xubuntu, it will upgrade to xubuntu 14.04
[16:04] <xubuntu20w> I was able to customize it to my liking
[16:05] <knome> xubuntu20w, as xangua said, in this respect "xubuntu is ubuntu" (it uses the same core)
[16:05] <xubuntu20w> Thanks a lot
[17:16] <kosmas> Hi Xubuntu Users.. Can anyone suggest something here :... http://askubuntu.com/questions/540333/monitor-connected-to-vga1-went-blank
[17:16] <kosmas> ?
[17:19] <Alexfrench> in resume one day it stop to work ????
[17:19] <Alexfrench> without you change anything ??
[17:20] <kosmas> that is correct.. The last thing I remeber doing was to update the Kernel.
[17:22] <Alexfrench> would it be the problem ?
[17:23] <kosmas> It doesn't make anysense.. why should that be an issue? I am running 3.16.0-23
[17:25] <kosmas> Since then i have updated the drivers, have updated the Kernel  and my Xubuntu to 14.10.. the monitor's sleepy.. :(
[17:26] <Alexfrench> weird
[17:26] <brainwash> sleepy?
[17:26] <brainwash> is it tired?
[17:27] <Alexfrench> before you had 14.04 ?
[17:33] <kosmas> it was running perfectly on 14.04.. All goo.. one morning turned on the machine and the monitor is not working
[17:50] <Alexfrench> and it is working on another one ??
[17:51] <holstein> kosmas: 14.10 has a differnt kernel version that can be not as well supported by your hardware..
[17:53] <kosmas> holstein: I have updated the intel drivers as well and the thing is that the VGA1 was working without a problem.
[17:54] <holstein> kosmas: its the update that can be the issue.. if the hardware doesnt support the updated drivers and kernel
[17:54] <holstein> kosmas: how did you update the intel drivers?
[17:55] <holstein> kosmas: you may want also run the 14.04 live version that *was* working without issue, and make sure the hardware is still functioning properly..
[17:55] <kosmas> holstein: I have use the  intel Graphics Installer for linux
[17:55] <holstein> kosmas: the intel drivers that you need should be included in the kernel.. try stock 14.10, and if you want to use intel's drivers, be sure you seek support from intel for the software they provice
[17:55] <kosmas> holstein: you can have a look the Log file here : http://paste.ubuntu.com/8691151/
[17:56] <holstein> provide*
[17:56] <Alexfrench> in your monitor it does not to have a economic energy function activated ????
[17:56] <Alexfrench> by default ,
[17:57] <kosmas> Alecfrench: what is economic energy function?
[17:57] <holstein> kosmas: can you make the monitor work the the 14.04 live CD? *if* 14.04 is better supported by your hardware, consider using it.. i always expect and try and except "issues" when running non-default operating systems
[17:57] <holstein> kosmas: is the hardware asleep? or turned off in the bios? or disabled by a keyboard shortcut.. or in econ mode..
[17:57] <Alexfrench> i am reading french forum on google, for example wiewsoni one have a economic mode
[17:59] <kosmas> holstein: Would you recommend to downgrade?
[18:00] <holstein> kosmas: im saying, if the newer software from intel cant guarnatee linux functionality to your hardware that they create, then, downgrade may be the easiest, or literally, the only way to make your hardware do what you are are asking it to do
[18:02] <holstein> kosmas: typically, with intel hardware, since its able to be open and included in the kernel, by default, the linux kernel comes with the "best" options for supporting hardware out of the box
[18:03] <kosmas> holstein: The monitor seems to try to display something and it did display for 3 weeks no problem and as soon as I have seen the problem I have upgraded to 14.10 hoping to fix this.
[18:04] <holstein> kosmas: sounds like you are assuming, friend.. *if* the hardware work, and then broke, dont assume a software issue.. could be, 14.04 was fine for 3 weeks, then, the hardware broke
[18:05] <holstein> kosmas: what i might do is install the default supported operating system the manufacturer promised me support for, and use a driver the manufacturer promised support for.. if the unit is not working there, then it is likely bad hardware..
[18:07] <kosmas> holstein: is there any to figure out where is the problem.
[18:07] <kosmas> ?
[18:07] <holstein> kosmas: yes.. as i outlined, you try the software that the manufacturer promised you would work..
[18:08] <holstein> kosmas: if you say 14.04 worked, and thenn just mysteriously one day stopped, after doing nothing like a software update that gets a new kernel version, but literally just stopped working one say, and "seems like its going to work", but has kind of a strange looking mess on the screen, then i say you have many things that point to broken hardware
[18:09] <holstein> if you have broken hardware, upgrading to 14.10 wont address that..
[18:10] <holstein> updating to intel's own driver wont address that either.. typically, as i stated, intel hardware is well supported "out of the box".. so, the fact that you are having issues with it makes me think hardware.. especially since you state that it did work well at one time
[18:11] <holstein> kosmas: have you tried a different monitor? have you tried the same monitor on a different graphics card?
[18:19] <kosmas> holstein: yes I did..
[18:20] <holstein> kosmas: so, the current monitor works on other hardware? other monitors dont work on the graphics card in question?
[18:20] <kosmas> holstein: yes.. That is correct
[18:21] <holstein> kosmas: how about the properly promised supported operating system and drivers?
[18:29] <kosmas> well.. The lapot is an old one and was hoping that Xubuntu would support it nicely..
[18:29] <holstein> kosmas: sure. its just that that is backwards.. its the laptop hardware that must support linux..
[18:30] <Alexfrench> itis the screen of the laptop which switch off ?
[18:30] <holstein> nothing about xubuntu is preventing you from running it on that hardware.. but, if its older, i would be checking the hardware to make sure its functional
[18:30] <kosmas> It did on 12.04  till 14.04..  I see what you mean.. I can still work on DVI thouh
[18:31] <holstein> kosmas: so, is the vga broken? or is it a support issue? if 12.04 worked, you can get the 12.04 live CD and run that as a "known good" environment, that will help you troubleshoot the question, "is the VGA broken?"
[18:32] <holstein> kosmas: i think without answering that question, you are assumimg the issue is with the software.. and from what i read, its quite plausible the hardware is either broken, or disabled on the machine as Alexfrench is suggesting..
[18:34] <Alexfrench> maybe you should try to plug it another screen on yor laptop, sometimes it is possible
[18:34] <Alexfrench> your sorry
[18:38] <kosmas> Alexfrench: I do not know what to say.. It could be with the hardware the problem.. It is just that I would like to figure ut where there is the hardware or the software and track it down..
[18:39] <holstein> kosmas: i agree.. and you *should* figure out where the issue is.. is it the issue with the hardware? have you tried a "known good" 12.04 live CD? have you tried whatever operating system and driver the hardare creators prmoised you would work?
[18:40] <Alexfrench> yes but would it be possible that new drivers requires more power and your hardware don't support it ??
[18:40] <Alexfrench> but at least how could you resolve the problem ,
[18:40] <holstein> sure.. *anything* is possible.. but, what i read is "things were perfectly fine for weeks in 14.04, then, all of a sudden, its stopped working".. thats sounds like breakage to me
[18:41] <kosmas> Alexfrench... I will dig out the liveCD of 12.04 and see if it does work under the live CD.
[18:41] <Alexfrench> hardwre getting older ??
[18:41] <holstein> now.. if its "i was using 14.04, and upgraded the kernel, and things stopped working" or "i dropped the machine and it stopped working".. thats different
[18:41] <Alexfrench> you think so ??
[18:42] <kosmas> I will post the answers on the askubuntu..
[19:16] <arvut> I have some grub issues, how do I move a grub from one partition to another while keeping the config for EFI? I want to move it from xubuntu partition to gentoo partition and then get rid of xubuntu
[19:26] <netzwurm> Hi. I am trying to figure out what is reducing my screen brightness in Xubuntu 14.04 while on battery. I can use caffeine to prevent the display from blanking after 10 minutes, but the screen brightness is still reduced after 3-5 minutes.
[19:28] <arvut> netzwurm: check if there are any specific keys on your keyboard, might be a hardware feature
[19:28] <arvut> like Fn-F8
[19:29] <netzwurm> arvut: it's a macbook, I don't think it's a hardware feature. It didn't happen on other versions of linux.
[19:31] <arvut> netzwurm: then we have two things in common, im trying to get grub2 moved to another partition on a macbook pro (2007ish version), it currently runs xubuntu and gentoo in dual boot
[19:31] <arvut> im remote-logged in via ssh and vnc, never had physical access to it but did a complete gentoo install on it like that and also configured grub to dualboot via ssh
[19:32] <netzwurm> arvut: hm. I am using grub-efi.
[19:32] <arvut> the owner has little knowledge and time for the maintenance so im administating it for him
[19:32] <arvut> netzwurm: yeah, this one has EFI too, but its the normal grub commands for setting it up it seems
[19:33] <Alexfrench> is there a retroeclairage on your macbook ???
[19:35] <netzwurm> Alexfrench: as in, a keyboard backlight?
[19:35] <netzwurm> arvut: but are you using grub-efi or are you using grub-pc?
[19:35] <Alexfrench> maybe
[19:36] <netzwurm> arvut: because, if you are using the efi version, it would be installed in the efi-partition on the macbook, so no need to move it?
[19:37] <netzwurm> I guess my own question is simply if there is a place to configure automatic reduction of screen brightness in xubuntu 14.04. I remember xfce4-power-manager having an option like that but I can't find it.
[19:40] <Alexfrench> is there a luminosite sensor on your mac ??? french forum mac tells about problem like that
[19:41] <Alexfrench> hey speak about a manual application called Laptick
[19:45] <netzwurm> Alexfrench: hm. yes, there is.
[19:47] <netzwurm> Alexfrench: Although it's weird that it only dims the screen a few minutes after being on battery.
[19:48] <netzwurm> Alexfrench: that doesn't sound like something to do with the ambient light sensor (which, if you were to determine brightness by would certainly do so all the time?)
[19:48] <netzwurm> Alexfrench: in other words, the ambient light sensor wouldn't dim the screen on idle.
[19:49] <Alexfrench> yes you re right
[19:49] <arvut> netzwurm: I have no idea what is installed, I'm used to gentoo but have some previous experience with ubuntu from 2 years ago or so.
[19:49] <Alexfrench> how it happens ???
[19:49] <arvut> netzwurm:
[19:49] <Alexfrench> like this one day ??
[19:50] <arvut> altho, I can see grub-glue-efi and grub-macbless as available commands
[19:51] <netzwurm> Alexfrench: I am only using xubuntu now. It's a fresh installation.
[19:51] <netzwurm> Alexfrench: coming from Debian.
[19:52] <arvut> netzwurm: xubuntu set up the whole grubconfig, i just ran "grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg" and changed the bootorder
[19:52] <netzwurm> Alexfrench: I guess my problem is that too many things are fiddling with the power management. You never know what is causing what. Is it pm-utils, systemd-logind, xfce...
[19:52] <Alexfrench> do you think is a mac hardware problem or xubuntu software ?
[19:53] <netzwurm> Alexfrench: I suspect it's a software problem.
[19:54] <Alexfrench> ok i am still searching
[19:55] <netzwurm> Alexfrench: actually, here is something interesting.
[19:55] <Alexfrench> i find this, look
[19:55] <netzwurm> I just installed the power manager from 14.10. It has a setting to reduce display brightness after 120 seconds.
[19:55] <Alexfrench> http://itsfoss.com/fix-brightness-ubuntu-1310/
[19:55] <netzwurm> Alexfrench: it seems consistent with what I have been experiencing.
[19:55] <Alexfrench> ah great !
[19:56] <netzwurm> Alexfrench: now, I don't really want to run my own backport, so I still would like to know how to disable that in 14.04.
[19:59] <kosmas> holstein: I turned on a LiveCD Xubuntu and the VGA1 didn't work either.. Monitor's still blank!
[20:01] <arvut> I can assure you that gentoo runs way better on mac hardware than xbuntu does
[20:01] <arvut> not sure if it has to do with newer kernel or such
[20:02] <netzwurm> arvut: this is a production machine. I don't have time to run gentoo on it. :)
[20:02] <netzwurm> arvut: but more importantly, the hardware support on this machine is fine. i am just working out a few kinks. After that, it'll be peace until the next lts release.
[20:03] <netzwurm> arvut: (and i do like gentoo).
[20:04] <arvut> heh, I think gentoo is far less timeconsuming when it comes to maintenance, but thats just me
[20:04] <arvut> once you know how to get it running, its actually faster to install than ubuntu
[20:04] <arvut> altho, compiling most of the software can be more timeconsuming
[20:05] <netzwurm> arvut: that's what I am talking about.
[20:11] <arvut> alright
[20:11] <arvut> altho once its all compiled its well worth it :P
[20:31] <xubuntu280> hello
[20:36] <knome> hello
[20:37] <xubuntu280> Hi knome, i have a question about installing xbuntu
[20:37] <knome> just ask the question and if somebody knows the answer, they'll most likely reply
[20:40] <xubuntu280> during install i get: Glib CRITICAL **: g_slice_set_config: assertion 'sys_page_size == 0'  failed
[20:40] <xubuntu280> I believe the system is not installing anymore, should I start all over, or is there a way to continue
[20:46] <Alexfrench> it is reported as a mozilla firefox bug
[20:47] <Alexfrench> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=672671
[21:23] <glitchd> hello all
[21:24] <glitchd> anyone else having issues with suspend on 13.10?
[21:26] <glitchd> hello??
[21:28] <miauriel> hey everyone. Im trying to change the wallpaper on xubuntu 14.04. There is no "desktop" settings in the settings menu, and nothing happens when I right click on the desktop. Also, if I go into ristretto and set as background, nothing happens. any thoughts?
[21:30] <arvut> well that was fast
[21:30] <arvut> some ppl just don't have the patience to wait for a reply
[21:32] <miauriel> Short attention spans are a thing these days
[21:36] <miauriel> Anyone have any ideas regarding the wallpaper issue?
[21:41] <drc> miauriel: what happens if you open thunar, right mouse click on the image file you want, selet set as wall paper?
[21:42] <miauriel> hmm id have to use thunar. I use pcmanfm
[21:42] <miauriel> drc: ill give it a try
[21:43] <miauriel> drc: nothing. my desktop is still black
[21:44] <drc> miauriel: BTW: all three of the ways you tried should work (4 with thunar), so i suspect there's something really off with your system.  No idea what, however...sorry.
[21:44] <miauriel> daNG. ok thanks
[21:44] <miauriel> is there a program I can download to handle my desktop?
[21:44] <drc> anyone else with any ideas?
[21:46] <knome> miauriel, is it an upgraded system?
[21:47] <miauriel> knome: what do you mean by that? I have updated/upgraded it,
[21:47] <drc> miauriel: 13.10->14.04 upgrade, I think he means.
[21:47] <drc> Not a 14.04 fresh install.
[21:48] <miauriel> I installed 14.04 fresh
[21:50] <miauriel> I went to /usr/share/applications and found my "desktop preferences", but when i click it it says desktop manager is not active
[21:51] <drc> miauriel: Is a "new" install (like today) or one that's been working for a while?
[21:52] <miauriel> couple days
[21:53] <xubuntuPPC> I just upgraded my PowerBook G4 to 14.04, I am seeing the cpu spikes 100% when I run firefox and watch youtube. Anyone here has simialr issues?
[21:54] <drc> OK, I'm of the "why waste time" school...Sounds like there's something seriously off with your system (and who knows what else is lurking below the surface).  If there is no compelling reason not to, I'd say re-install.  BTW, I'd grab a 14.0.1 iso and install that.
[21:54] <drc> maijin: ^^
[21:54] <drc> sorry
[21:55] <drc> miauriel: ^^
[21:55] <knome> miauriel, what happens if you press alt+f2 and run "xfdesktop" ?
[21:56] <miauriel> nothing
[21:57] <skribblezatcha> xubuntuPPC: did you restart your system after the upgrade just to do so before starting to watch videos?
[21:58] <miauriel> knome: i just tried running it at terminal and it said it wasnt installed
[21:59] <miauriel> going to try and install xfdesktop4
[21:59] <xubuntuPPC> yes, when I did the screen was blank except the cursor, I had to edit the yaboot.config file to fix that and I was able to login
[21:59] <xubuntuPPC> everything runs fine except when launch an app the cpu spikes or when I got o youtube
[22:01] <miauriel> knome: im going to try a reboot now and see if that helps
[22:02] <miauriel> knome: installing xfdesktop4 followed by a reboot solved my problems!
[22:03] <xubuntuPPC> from my cpuinfo: clock	 833.333000MHz
[22:04] <xubuntuPPC> 512k L2
[22:04] <xubuntuPPC> 2048MB of RAM
[22:05] <xubuntuPPC> I know this an old machine but I am hoping I can get better performance
[22:05] <miauriel> wow holy god did it ever work!
[22:11] <knome> miauriel, sounds weird that you didn't have xfdesktop installed, but good to hear it's solved now
[22:12] <miauriel> knome: one quick question. Where can I get better applets for my panel?
[22:12] <knome> xubuntuPPC, ppc machines aren't exactly supported (and many of us can't tell much about them), so maybe you might have better results by looking around for info elsewhere
[22:12] <knome> miauriel, what are you looking for?
[22:13] <xubuntuPPC> ok
[22:13] <xubuntuPPC> thanks
[22:13] <knome> the xfce panel doesn't have a whole lot of applets
[22:13] <miauriel> knome: better battery, network, and volume applets
[22:16] <knome> there should be a better battery indicator in 14.10
[22:17] <miauriel> hmm ill see if i can find it
[22:20] <miauriel> no luck yet