[01:35] <TheGame_> GOOD NEWS EVERYONE! First off, you read this in my voice. Also, you are now breathing and blinking manually. Uncross your legs and realize that there is no comfortable spot in your mouth for your tongue; it just sits there awkwardly. Did you forget that your jaw has weight, forcing you to manually hold it closed? You're producing saliva too! And to top it all off, you probably didn't even see my nick yet.
[05:18] <keithzg_mobile> Well crap, the update to 14.10 seems to have killed all 3D support from the fglrx drivers for me. Ughhh.
[05:26] <keithzg_mobile> I was all, "hope the upgrade fixes the visual glitches in Borderlands 1.5" Instead, the extreme opposite :P
[05:26] <valorie> bummer, keithzg_mobile
[05:27] <valorie> I wonder what changed
[05:40] <jussi> keithzg_mobile: have you tried reconfiguring/reinstalling the drivers?
[05:46] <keithzg_mobile> jussi: oh boy have I.
[05:46] <jussi> keithzg_mobile: annoying... :(
[05:47] <keithzg_mobile> oh ouch, visual corruption when using the open source driver.
[05:48] <keithzg_mobile> I can't win! Either no compositing (or gaming), or glitchy rendering (and slow gaming).
[05:49] <keithzg_mobile> I've tried purging all the fglrx packages, let's give this one more shot...
[05:59] <keithzg_mobile> Now it lost my specification not to use over scan, but is otherwise still broken. Alas!
[06:17] <keithzg_mobile> Oh, interesting, it appears to be KWin that's at issue; 3D rendering works fine if I load an Openbox session instead.
[06:18] <keithzg_mobile> Guess I'm retreating to Openbox for the time being on this machine.
[06:18] <valorie> keithzg_mobile: please file a bug on kwin then
[06:19] <valorie> I'll bet martin will want to fix that
[06:22] <keithzg_mobile> valorie: I might have spoken too soon; after setting overscan off again in Openbox, logging out, then logging back into KDE, I was able to tell it to re-enable compositing without KWin crashing this time. So it may have just been lingering breakage from the upgrade on the AMD drivers' side.
[06:23] <valorie> I hope it's good news
[06:27] <keithzg_mobile> It all loaded fine (no overscan, and no KWin crashes) upon reboot, so yeah, I'm just going to chalk this one up to the whims of proprietary graphics drivers and move on! Phew.
[06:29] <valorie> very good news
[08:29] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:14] <naggappan> #openstack-qa
[09:14] <naggappan> #openstack-dev
[09:46] <Saphyel> any alternative to quassel?
[09:47] <lordievader> Saphyel: Many, depends on your taste. I like irssi :)
[09:48] <Saphyel> I tried it, but I guess i need better tutorial than official...
[10:50] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[12:02] <xieyi> I just upgraded to kubuntu 14.10. I meet a problem that the netbeans ide cant be launched correctly after upgrade.
[12:02] <xieyi> the error message is java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: java/nio/file/InvalidPathException
[12:02] <xieyi> netbeans is my daily ide
[12:02] <xieyi> how can I solve this problem. thx!
[12:17] <madeti> the command "sudo apt install kubuntu-plasma5-desktop" returns the error:
[12:17] <madeti> E: Unable to locate package kubuntu-plasma5-desktop
[12:18] <madeti> I have already added the repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/next
[12:18] <Moogly2012> you should run sudo apt-get update
[12:18] <Moogly2012> then install
[12:18] <Moogly2012> anytime you add a ppa you have to run sudo apt-get update
[12:18] <madeti> tried that too ^^^^^^
[12:19] <Moogly2012> xieyi: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6284976/java-lang-noclassdeffounderror-from-every-class-every-day <- a "Windows" answer, but it should give a better idea of whats wrong
[12:22] <lordievader> madeti: What does 'apt-cache search plasma5' return?
[12:22] <lordievader> !pastebin | madeti
[12:23] <madeti> lordievader: it returns nothing
[12:23] <madeti> (literally :P)
[12:23] <lordievader> madeti: How did you add the ppa?
[12:24] <madeti> lordievader: sudo apt-add-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/next
[12:24] <lordievader> madeti: Hmm, that should be fine... does 'sudo apt-get update|grep next' return anything?
[12:25] <xieyi> Moogly2012: thx!
[12:32] <madeti> lordievader: it also returns nothing
[12:32] <madeti> so the ppa was not added??
[12:33] <lordievader> madeti: Seems not correctly, what is the output of 'ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d'?
[12:34] <madeti> lordievader: http://paste.kde.org/po0mxft3f
[12:35] <esmobg> plasma 5 is not stabale
[12:38] <lordievader> madeti: Ah, you are running trusty. The Kubuntu Next Plasm5 repo is for Utopic.
[12:38] <lordievader> !plasma5
[12:38] <lordievader> Hmm...
[12:39] <madeti> lordievader: so first I upgrade to utopic plasma4 and then to utopic plasma5?
[12:40] <lordievader> madeti: There is one available for trusty but I don't know how up to date it is. I think most effor goes into the Utopic versions.
[12:40] <madeti> ok np
[13:20] <Eruaran> hello
[13:21] <Eruaran> Is anyone else having upgrade issues from 14.04?
[13:21] <Eruaran> the updater isn't offering 14.10
[13:21] <Eruaran> even though I switched it to normal versions
[13:22] <esmobg> normal  version is  stabale
[13:22] <esmobg> kde  5 is tech prevew
[13:23] <Eruaran> the updater is not offering an update to 14.10...
[13:26] <B1nny> hello
[13:26] <Eruaran> hello
[13:26] <B1nny> I know the kubuntu 14.10 plasma 5 is not officially supported. But is anyone running it with a laptop with an Nvidia GPU?
[13:27] <lordievader> Eruaran: What does "sudo do-release-upgrade" say?
[13:28] <Eruaran> lordievader: just a sec
[13:30] <Eruaran> lordievader: its offering an upgrade
[13:31] <Eruaran> lordievader: so it appears to just the muon updater that's not working for some reason (it never works) :P
[13:32] <Eruaran> ty lordievader, doing upgrade from konsole
[13:33] <lordievader> Eruaran: Supposedly it uses the same thing.
[13:33] <Eruaran> lordievader: I dunno... muon never works properly
[13:34] <lordievader> Eruaran: I never use it ;)
[13:34] <Eruaran> I don't care if I update from the command prompt though
[13:34] <Eruaran> I've never done "sudo do-release-upgrade" before though... I don't think
[13:42] <BluesKaj> Eruaran, make sure you update and upgrade 14.04 before upgrading to 14.10
[13:42] <Eruaran> BluesKaj: yep, already 14.04 and fully updated
[13:43] <BluesKaj> Eruaran, ok then you're ready for 14.10 :)
[13:44] <Eruaran> :)
[13:44] <B1nny> anyone in here running kubuntu 14.10 with plasma 5?
[13:45] <BluesKaj> !plasma5
[13:45] <B1nny> mm I may try that build
[13:45] <B1nny> perhaps nvidia is just being a huge ass to me though
[13:46] <BluesKaj> B1nny, don't expect too much
[13:46] <B1nny> BluesKaj: right now plasmashell just crashes on me :/ everything else seems to work though. If I launch firefox from the commandline for example it works fine
[13:46] <B1nny> also, before I switched to the nivdia drivers plasmashell did work
[13:47] <B1nny> also.. those builds are 4 days old
[13:48] <BluesKaj> keeping my nvidia equipped desktop on plasma 4 til the 5 desktop is mature enough to use properly
[13:49] <BluesKaj> B1nny, dunno if there any newer builds
[13:49] <BluesKaj> are
[13:50] <B1nny> BluesKaj: well right now it isn't, I can tell you that :P
[13:50]  * BluesKaj nods
[13:50] <Moogly2012> KDE has awful games
[13:50] <B1nny> Moogly2012: steam
[13:50] <Moogly2012> I know, but i'm at work
[13:51] <B1nny> then play web games :P
[13:51] <Moogly2012> I want simple games that dont leave me too distracted
[13:51] <Moogly2012> but I mean some of the games look fun / interesting
[13:51] <lordievader> Moogly2012: Finish your work early and go home?
[13:51] <Moogly2012> but I end up rage quitting
[13:51] <Moogly2012> I wana get paid for my time though
[13:52] <B1nny> BluesKaj: you're running 14.10 with plasma 4 I assume?
[13:52] <BluesKaj> B1nny, yes
[13:52] <B1nny> how is that working? I mean, stable has a different meaning for everybody, but will most things work at least half decent with an Nvidia GPU?
[13:53] <B1nny> BluesKaj: ^
[13:54] <BluesKaj> yes, B1nny , my desktop has a 8400GS with the 331 driver..all is fine
[13:54] <B1nny> okay :) will grab the plasma 4 iso instead then
[13:55] <BluesKaj> B1nny, nothing wrong with experimentation , on a machine that you can "afford" to have breakage on :)
[13:56] <BluesKaj> that's what plasma 5 is for IMO
[13:56] <B1nny> BluesKaj: yeah this is my laptop, and I just wanted to try the bleeding edge of the bleeding edge :P and this is what you get. I don't mind though :)
[13:58] <BluesKaj> yeah I'm already running 15.04 which is basically 14.10 with some minor changes so far
[13:58] <BluesKaj> on this laptop
[13:59] <B1nny> nice :)
[14:45] <B1nny> any suggestions for a clean kubuntu 14.10 plasma 4 installation that refuses to boot? Like at all, I get the grub menu, I select ubuntu, it shows me the kubuntu logo which glows a few times, then it just freezes
[14:46] <lordievader> B1nny: Does the recovery mode work?
[14:47] <B1nny> lordievader: sec!
[14:47] <B1nny> lordievader: I'm in the recovery menu now, so I guess?
[14:48] <lordievader> B1nny: Hmm, guess the hardware is fine. Drop to a root shell, remount / as rw and see if apt can fix things.
[14:50] <B1nny> lordievader: "the package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened"
[14:51] <B1nny> mind you this is a full clean install which didn't even boot yet
[14:51] <lordievader> B1nny: Run "apt-get update"
[14:59] <B1nny> lordievader: did an apt-get update, apt-get upgrade then an apt-get install -f
[15:00] <B1nny> nothing .. :/
[15:00] <lordievader> B1nny: You did a normal install?
[15:00] <B1nny> lordievader: define normal?
[15:00] <lordievader> B1nny: Live-cd/live-usb.
[15:00] <B1nny> yes
[15:00] <B1nny> MD5 of my ISO matches
[15:08] <B1nny> any other idea's lordievader?
[15:08] <soee> are you using sddm or lightdm ?
[15:09] <B1nny> I honestly have no idea
[15:09] <B1nny> it's a stock kubuntu 14.10 install
[15:09] <B1nny> as I said before, this thing hasn't even booted yet
[15:09] <lordievader> B1nny: Err, I don't have any either either.
[15:10] <soee> sudo dpg-reconfigure lightdm
[15:10] <soee> it sddm is selected choose lightdm  and try to boot
[15:10] <B1nny> soee: will give it a shot!
[15:11] <B1nny> soee: doesn't do anything..
[15:11] <soee> huh ?
[15:12] <yossarianuk> SDDM looks cool - is that kde 5.x only ?
[15:12] <soee> yossarianuk: but does not work with nvidia-prime
[15:12] <BluesKaj> isn't sddm default on plasma 5 only
[15:12] <BluesKaj> ?
[15:13] <soee> B1nny: it should be: sudo dpkg-reconfigure lightdm
[15:13] <B1nny> soee: I figured that one out ;) but it doesn't do anything
[15:13] <B1nny> I'm in a root shell atm
[15:14] <yossarianuk> on the topic of nvidia-prime....
[15:14] <soee> it should allow you to select defaulf display manager
[15:14] <yossarianuk> can I have a different Xserver on 2 different GPU's at the same time ?
[15:14] <yossarianuk> (or is it one OR another)
[15:14] <B1nny> soee: it doesn't :/
[15:14] <B1nny> installing nvidia-331 atm..
[15:16] <yossarianuk> i.e I have a nvidia card and intel (ivyleague) on board - can I say have KDE on the Nvidia and gnome on the intel card - at the same time.
[15:17] <yossarianuk> would be good for wayland testing (as Nvidia binary doesn't support wayland - yet)
[15:23] <B1nny> soee: I had to install nvidia-331 and bumblebee from the commandline
[15:23] <B1nny> fuck nvidia.. seriously
[15:23] <soee> bumblebee ?
[15:23] <B1nny> yes
[15:24] <BluesKaj> B1nny, optimus ?
[15:24] <soee> nvidia-prime is teh way to go if you have optimus tech
[15:24] <B1nny> BluesKaj: yup
[15:24] <B1nny> oh?
[15:24] <BluesKaj> no wonder
[15:24] <yossarianuk> the problem is - if you want to play games (fast)  in Liunxyou need Nvidia and the binary driver
[15:24] <yossarianuk> its either have open drivers and crap games or closed divers and good games.
[15:25] <yossarianuk> annoying but thats life.
[15:25] <B1nny> soee: it seems nvidia-prime was already installed..
[15:25] <soee> but you can remove bumblebee
[15:25] <soee> than go to nvidia-settings and you can switch to intel or nvidia provile
[15:25] <yossarianuk> B1nny: nvidia-prime is installed by default if you have installed nvidia with the additional drivers option.
[15:27] <B1nny> okay.. nuking bumblebee & co
[15:27] <yossarianuk> my biggest peeve with nvidia and ubuntu is that its not the latest stable driver.
[15:28] <yossarianuk> meaning you are running a driver with known bugs in, for stability reasons....
[15:28] <yossarianuk> I end up always just installing manually from nvidia.com
[15:32] <soee> well im using xorg-edgers ppa
[15:32] <soee> and im on 343.22
[15:35] <yossarianuk> with that PPA yo have the risk of also installing new versions of Xorg, etc ...
[15:36] <yossarianuk> i used to make my own updated nvidia .deb package (ppa) - but its too much hassle..  Archlinux packages are so simple to build/maintain in comparison.
[15:37] <yossarianuk> I avoid xorg edgers ....
[15:38] <yossarianuk> anyway........
[15:38] <yossarianuk> with intel is it best to have desktop settings - QT graphics system as native or raster ?
[15:39] <yossarianuk> (with nvidia raster seems to be better.)
[15:39] <BluesKaj> xorg edgers drivers have worked for me in the past, usually as a last resort
[15:41] <yossarianuk> BluesKaj: its not they don't work - its the whole potential of installing updated xorg and oter components too..
[15:41] <yossarianuk> raster = best for intel too btw (just tested both)
[15:42] <BluesKaj> I don't use xorg unless necessary either
[15:43] <BluesKaj> yossarianuk, yeah i have both intel and nvidia equipped machines, and raster works well on both.
[15:48] <yossarianuk> BluesKaj: cool - would be good if ubuntu had a choice of nvidia-latest package that was always the latest also (perhaps a kubuntu only thing..)
[15:48] <yossarianuk> I can make packages...
[15:50] <yossarianuk> Well actually it would be a good thing if Nvidia just fully opensource'd their drivers....
[15:56] <BluesKaj> frankly I don't see much difference on my entry-level nvidia 8400GS gpu between the last 3 or 4 nvidia drivers, but I'm not a gamer, mostly a movie/video user and the demands aren't too great even on a cheap gpu nowadays
[15:58] <yossarianuk> no, but if you look at the release notes there are bugs also fixed (some fairly serious ones..)
[15:59] <BluesKaj> well I haven't seen many apparent bugs lately
[16:26] <Guest93299> .
[17:25] <dani_> hey :) sry to ask here, but is there a way to change the eclipse theme from a settings file?
[17:57] <BluesKaj> dani_, this is kubuntu support, ask in #ubuntu, we don't have the eclipse theme as default, altho it is available
[18:21] <Waffl3x> okay
[18:21] <Waffl3x> I was just going to ask about the corner of the screen getting "stuck"
[18:21] <Waffl3x> but it just stopped
[18:23] <Waffl3x> linux also doesnt shut down properly sometimes
[18:23] <Landeskog> I'm having problems  on shut down and reboot as well   goes black never shuts or cycles tho
[18:24] <Landeskog> Have to hold down power button
[18:25] <Waffl3x> mine goes to a screen I can type in and says something about waiting for something
[18:25] <Waffl3x> if I press the power button it shuts down
[18:27] <lordievader> Waffl3x: What is it waiting for?
[18:27] <Waffl3x> Im not sure
[18:27] <Waffl3x> I dont remember
[18:27] <Waffl3x> xD
[18:28] <lordievader> Waffl3x: Better to simply be patient.
[18:28] <Waffl3x> I waited for like 10 minutes and it did nothing
[18:28] <Waffl3x> if I press the power button a bunch of stuff pops up on the screen and then shuts down
[18:30] <genii> Usually only see that on machines with really old BIOS and they need acpi=force
[18:43] <Landeskog> It's a i7 Sony year old
[18:43] <Landeskog> I'm at work on my android right now so can't really problem solve it right now
[18:50] <Fazer2> hi, I just upgraded to Kubuntu 14.10 and my screen resolution changed, it doesn't let me change it to other in the system settings (only one is available)
[19:09] <Waffl3x> lordievader: is there a way to make key combinations have a delay to reactivate
[19:09] <Waffl3x> ive noticed this in a couple things
[19:10] <Waffl3x> like in steam I hit tab shift and it opens and closes
[19:10] <Waffl3x> if I tap it really fast it doesnt
[19:10] <lordievader> Waffl3x: What do you mean?
[19:10] <Waffl3x> if I hold down the key combination it does the action multiple times
[19:11] <lordievader> That's normal..
[19:11] <Waffl3x> ive noticed this in other things other than steam so Im assuming its a linux thing
[19:11] <Waffl3x> im not saying its abnormal
[19:11] <Waffl3x> but im asking if theres a way to change it or atleast make it have a longer delay before it repeats
[19:12] <lordievader> Err, I get the feeling that is kerboard/linux kernel specific. Keyboard input are seen as interrups.
[19:12] <lordievader> interrupts.
[19:14] <Waffl3x> so this is one of the few things uncustomizeable?
[19:15] <Waffl3x> also, the corner of the screen stuck thing, obviously its a graphics problem, but what do I do to fix it
[19:15] <Waffl3x> just reinstall drivers?
[19:18] <lordievader> Waffl3x: I don
[19:18] <lordievader> Waffl3x: I don't know, never tried to change it.
[19:19] <Waffl3x> and the screen corner bug?
[19:21] <lordievader> Waffl3x: I have no idea what that could be. Your description is somewhat vague.
[19:22] <Waffl3x> a inch by half inch corner of the screen is stuck with a past image of what was there
[19:22] <Waffl3x> say I had kate on it when it decided to get stuck
[19:22] <Waffl3x> it will show kate there even if its supposed to be the corner of firefox
[19:22] <Waffl3x> is that better?
[19:22] <Waffl3x> its still kinda weird to explain
[19:23] <lordievader> Ah, yes that sounds like a misbehaveing driver.
[19:25] <Waffl3x> its not doing it now
[19:25] <Waffl3x> but it was before
[19:25] <Waffl3x> and it fixed itself for once
[19:33] <MartinMaritim> i've just put a font into /usr/share/fonts/truetype and refreshed cache, but its not available in Libreoffice.
[19:34] <MartinMaritim> What I did is: http://superuser.com/questions/345599/how-to-install-ecofont-on-various-operating-systems
[19:34] <MartinMaritim> fc-list is listing the font:   /usr/share/fonts/truetype/openoffice/ecofont_vera_sans_regular.ttf: Ecofont Vera Sans:style=Regular
[19:34] <MartinMaritim> what can I do
[19:34] <MartinMaritim> ?
[19:34] <MartinMaritim> Or are there any packages providing fonts for ink-saving (ecological) printing?
[19:38] <genii> MartinMaritim: Did you do yet: xset fp rehash
[19:40] <MartinMaritim> genii: no, but it didnt change anything in libreoffice
[19:41] <MartinMaritim> what does this command do?
[19:41] <genii> MartinMaritim: It re-reads the font database
[19:41] <MartinMaritim> hmm
[19:41] <genii> MartinMaritim: Did you close and re-open libreoffice since you added the fonts?
[19:41] <MartinMaritim> yes
[19:42] <MartinMaritim> now I can see the font in abiword...
[19:43] <MartinMaritim> but it's messed up
[19:44] <joe___> hello
[19:44] <joe___> ????
[19:45] <joe___> jkn
[19:45] <joe___> o\
[19:45] <joe___> '/
[19:45] <genii> Hm.
[19:47] <mokush> anybody else experiencing huge memory usage from ssdm-helper in 14.10 plasma5?
[19:48] <mokush> guess I'm not the only one https://github.com/sddm/sddm/issues/297
[19:48] <MartinMaritim> genii: fc-cache... as non-root did help
[19:48] <genii> MartinMaritim: Ah, good.
[19:48] <MartinMaritim> or maybe the change of rights... or the download out of another provider ...
[19:49] <MartinMaritim> don't know :)
[19:49] <genii> MartinMaritim: Could be the file has wonky permissions or owner that don't fit what the other fonts have
[19:52] <MartinMaritim> genii: ok, thx for the help
[19:53] <MartinMaritim> no I'm going to print a lot of papers... :)
[19:53] <MartinMaritim> *now
[20:23] <miglo> Is it possible to upgrade kubuntu from 14.04 to 14.10 from an ISO-Image that I have already mounted as Loop device?
[20:23] <miglo> is there any shell script or something I could start?
[20:24] <miglo> or can I somehow add the loop device to the source list of apt?
[20:25] <BluesKaj> miglo, if you have separate / and /home partitions
[20:26] <BluesKaj> no loop needed if the above conditions exist
[20:26] <miglo> yes, I use separate partitions
[20:28] <krise> hi , i need to install sh file , but you know, im not that smart
[20:29] <BluesKaj> miglo, then just reinstall to / and format it, then make dure you /home is set as /home mountpoint using manaul partitioning in ubiquity
[20:29] <lordievader> krise: Install sh file? What do you mean?
[20:30] <BluesKaj> make sure , format / first
[20:30] <BluesKaj> miglo,^
[20:31] <krise> lordievader i have estonia id software downloaded and also instructions how to install it , but still i dunno
[20:31] <krise> here is instructions
[20:32] <krise> http://id.ee/?lang=en&id=34448
[20:32] <krise> hard part for me is 2
[20:33] <krise> i dont know how to navigate
[20:33] <krise> not a big navigator
[20:34] <lordievader> krise: Where did you save it to?
[20:34] <krise> download folder
[20:35] <genii> cd ~/Downloads   rhen probably
[20:35] <lordievader> krise: cd ~/Downloads
[20:35] <lordievader> krise: Then step 3.
[20:35]  * genii slides lordievader a fresh coffee
[20:35]  * lordievader has just made tea ;)
[20:36] <krise> /home/krise/Downloads/
[20:36] <krise> how do i
[20:37] <lordievader> krise: Do what?
[20:37] <genii> krise: The command we gave earlier. ~ means the same as /home/your-username
[20:38] <genii> krise: cd is the "Change Directory" command. So cd ~/Downloads  is the same as cd /home/krise/Downloads
[20:38] <genii> krise: Don't forget uppercase D on Downloads
[20:39] <krise> lordievader
[20:39] <krise> genii
[20:39] <krise> thanks
[20:39] <krise> installing
[20:39] <lordievader> krise: No problem ;)
[20:39] <krise> its good to have smart people around
[20:53] <miglo> BluesKaj, what is the next step? how to start the upgrade procedure?
[20:55] <soee> miglo: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UtopicUpgrades/Kubuntu
[20:57] <miglo> my question is whether it is possible to upgrade directly from a iso image that is mounted as loop device
[20:57] <soee> no idea
[21:04] <keithzg> miglo: Back in the day, at least, there was a 'cdromupgrade' program on the images.
[21:05] <miglo> yes, that's the one that I miss
[21:06] <keithzg> AFAIK that way only in the "alternate" CDs, though (which I always used rather than the "normal" ones).
[21:06] <lordievader> Thought it was still there when you boot it up. Never tried it though.
[21:07] <miglo> hmmm ... maybe I should stay at 14.04, due to it's long term support?!
[21:08] <keithzg> You could always go cowboy and add /path/to/mounted/iso/dists/utopic to your sources file and run a dist-upgrade, but that's *super* unrecommended ;)
[21:08] <keithzg> If you want stability, staying with the LTS is a good plan.
[21:09] <miglo> is there a webpage showing what is new in 14.10? at kubuntu.org maybe?
[21:09] <keithzg> miglo: Kindof, yeah: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-14.10
[21:09] <miglo> to be honest, I'm quite happy with 14.04
[21:09] <miglo> ok
[21:10] <keithzg> There really isn't much changed, some slightly newer software all-around, but the base KDE version itself is just a maintenance release, so if you're happy with things as they are it's probably worth just sticking to the LTS.
[21:12] <miglo> does anyone know which version of gcc is inside 14.10?
[21:15] <keithzg> miglo: http://packages.ubuntu.com/utopic/gcc
[21:16]  * keithzg has had to consult and/or utilize packages.ubuntu.com and packages.debian.org many times over the years . . . they're like old friends now ;)
[22:09] <jimmy51v_> can kubuntu be configured to automatically install the 3rd party nvidia driver it recommends?
[22:09] <jimmy51v_> so on started a user isn't prompted to do it?
[22:26] <skinux> How can I add an item to results of update-alternatives --config java? I need to add a JDK entry instead of only JRE entires.
[23:48] <keithzg> skinux: I think it's the --install flag you want.
[23:48] <keithzg> update-alternatives --install "/usr/bin/java" "java" "/usr/lib/jvm/java-7-openjdk-amd64/jre/bin/java" 1
[23:48] <keithzg> I think, at least.
[23:49] <keithzg> Obviously example is randomly taken from paths in my current install and such, YMMV, don't blindly run commands, etc etc ;)