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Garbonzohi all, anyone using the ocamlfuse google drive client?00:46
Garbonzohi, anyone using the ocamlfuse google drive client?09:27
Garbonzojust creating my launchpad profile in order to volunteer. Please can someone advise on PGP keys?10:03
Guest12343Hello?10:09
Garbonzohi10:14
onlaHi. Looking for hidden autostart apps. wicd network manager is starting up eventhough I untagged the wicd tray app which was listed on the app found from menu10:43
onlathe app is not here /home/v/.config/lxsession/Lubuntu/autostart10:46
onlalooked at bunch of other files called autostart that I found from searching /10:47
onlamy lubuntu is acting up on many other areas too. I did software update for the first time in many months, it updated dozens of apps. I have 14.0410:47
testdronla: dont know it till know - only did notice some things are fighting against each other. There is normal upstart starting jobs, then x11, then openbox, then lxde and so on. For example the light-locker user-settings will only activated if the user changes the settings and forces the save.10:55
onlaI tried to remove that light-locker thing earlier too. I got this weird problem now that after some time of idle I am locked out of my accoun when I type in pw and log back in, the screen goes black and I can't do anything but to power off pc. I tried ctrl+alt+ldel, ctrl alt f1-f7 ctrl alt esc..10:59
onlabut that is another problem10:59
onlais there generally less weird problems and things fighting each other in the regular ubuntu installation?11:00
testdronla: ctrl+alt+ldel for shuting down X11 is disabled in the default settings since some time - you have to enable it to use it11:21
testdronla: the problem of fighting configurations is old - it started a long time ago with kde and gnome and their tries to offer users system-configurations with easy gui but inside with some cryptic konfigurations (different bus-systems ...)11:24
testdronla: as the user, you are free to choose - not only the kind of software to make it better or worse, it depends too on the hardware. Light-locker may show no problems for some users and other may live better without it and using older xscreenaver and its locking feature.11:30
Garbonzohello, have created a launchpad account, signed and sealed in blood... who should I contact about volunteering?11:31
hateball!dev11:32
ubottuInterested in becoming an Ubuntu Developer? Get started here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment11:32
GarbonzoI'm not a dev, sadly :-( More capable in an FPAC (Finger Paint And Crayons) role, or writing docs, etc.11:34
GarbonzoI think the Documentation or Communications teams are possibilities though...11:40
onlaI really need to find out what locks my session. After 1 0minutes of idle my session gets locked and I can't log back in11:45
onlaso I practically need to reboot after 10minutes of idle11:45
onlaalso like I said, I looked at around 10 different autostart files, and none is showing anything that would be related to some lock screen apps or such. I used to have lubuntu 13.x here with different user and when I got locked out and I chose reboot, it said that there was still users logged in. Did that mean the root user, or is my old user there as a phtantom from lubuntu 13? I have the old user with diff username still existing11:48
testdronla: that sounds like laptop usage problems. If you are using a laptop with power-saving problems, the only way to solve is to disable every thing until you have more info about your hardware/software combination and whether there are special solutions or not. Is it a laptop?11:53
onlano11:53
onladesktop pc or what they call it11:54
onlaactually there are bunch of applications that are  autostarted after I did the software updating thing11:54
onlaI used to have some 3 icons in tray, but after updating something, now there are some 1011:55
testdronla: what hardware? Mainboard, cpu, graka -- the output of lspci, lsusb, cpuinfo and post the url of the pastebin-service you uploads this output (dont post multi lines here in the irc)11:55
onlaI did set to my grub some noblank=10 or some setting long ago11:56
testdronla: if you have a misconfigured update - you should first try the desktop-live-version (its 14.04.1 lubuntu) to check if this runs without problems and then a clean install is the quickest way.11:57
onlacpuinfo cmd not found11:57
onlacat /proc/cpuinfo ok?11:58
testdronla: thats the problem - its time consuming like this to explain to you, that cpuinfo is content of a system-file11:58
testdronla: one workearound would be you install   "lshw"  (its not part of the default installed packets) - it generates an output of the hardware-specs11:59
onlahttp://pastebin.com/URR3zqyG12:00
onlaI got some problems with usb wlan dongle, that sagem there. it got solved by replugging it. The problem was weird and maybe related to the whole usb hub cause the gamepad didnt work either. but this is probably another problem also :)12:02
onlahttp://pastebin.com/y78uVc8w12:03
testdronla: you are using this combined amd-cpu+gpu (grafik) - i have read about some problems - but to find those would last some time - there were bug-reports for problems ! And therefore the first thing is really you have to check with a clean 14.04.1 version.12:03
onlaoh12:04
onlaI have so many confiugrations on this that I wouldn't want to do that12:04
onlaI have written down what I have confed though but hmm12:05
onlabut not all12:05
testdronla: you did not understand the usage of the ubuntu-live-version? It does not change your current software install - you boot it from an usb-stick!12:05
onlaah that. Well I think it wouldn't reproduce my problems12:05
onlaor maybe that locking out user after idle even when the setting has not been set12:06
onlabut everything was just fine until 2 days ago :I12:06
testdronla: then use your backup of 2 days ago12:06
onlaso I don't know what I would test in that live cd, because I would need to install all kind of apps that are generating these problems12:07
onlastart- system tools - software updater. I ran this, and it listed some 20-50 apps to be updated. I hadn't run that for maybe 4 months12:07
onlaor actually I hadn't run that at all12:07
onlaand I installed 14.04 maybe 4 months ago12:08
onlaby upgrading 13.x or 12.x12:08
onlawhich I hadn't used12:08
onlabut I would think that it shouldnt be too difficult to pinpoint the location or a file that triggers these autostarting of applications among this app that makes my screen get locked12:09
testdronla: then do in a terminal (and paste the output thru pastebin):  sudo apt-get  update  &  sudo apt-get   upgrade12:10
onlahmm.. thanks ok.. I gotta go now. I'll do that when I get back.. afk for some 2-6h12:10
testdronla: sorry - double &   :  sudo apt-get  update  &&  sudo apt-get   upgrade12:10
onlaok12:11
onlaabout my problem of session getting locked and when logging back in getting black screen and cant do nothing but poweroff pc: hmm, this time when I came back and logged in, it was a black screen for couple of seconds and then it logged back in and I don't need to boot.15:05
onlahowever I got this message from ubuntu: sorry ubuntu 14.04 experienced an internal error. /usr/bin/Xorg package xserver-xorg-core 2.1.15.1-0ubuntu2.1 problem type: crash15:06
onlaI can send an error report, but I cannot copy paste the details from that window15:06
onlacan I somehow get this report copied?15:07
onlatrying the apt-get update and apt-get upgrade.. but my internet is really choppy.. getting disconnected every few minutes15:10
onlahope the apt-get won't mind15:10
onlaat least it waited nicely now when I was not getting packets for a minute or so15:10
onla3g internet and my wlan dongle to receive that 3g is some cheap dx.com dongle which is not working too well always15:11
onlasudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade <- this seemed to end operation without doing the upgrade, because my sources list is not working too well. W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/speed-dreams/ppa/ubuntu/dists/trusty/main/binary-i386/Packages  404  Not Found15:12
onlaE: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead.15:12
onlaErr http://ppa.launchpad.net trusty/main amd64 Packages                          404  Not Found15:13
onlaok I removed couple errs and now it did the apt-get upgrade too. Only upgraded libxml2 libxml2:i386 python-libxml215:17
onlaHave a long list of "The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:" Should I apt-get autoremove them?15:17
testdronla: all those errors only prove you have a bigger problem - you should really consider a fresh install - maybe on some free space, you only need 30-40GB for a new install and first check if there are really no special hardware/software quirks to solve.15:18
testdronla: and cause you were offline some short time - from your cpuinfo, thats crazy. It looks like you are running full-speed all the time, maybe you forgot to enable cpu-cool+quiet in bios?15:20
onlaor not! I did apt-get update now again, and there were no 404 or errors. I just removed the speed-dreams and other apps source. That 404 concerning some basic ppa.launchpad was no more there, maybe because my internet didnt get cut during the update process15:20
onlahmm? actually I have reseted my bios just couple days ago because of another problem15:21
onlaso there might be some strange settings there15:21
testdronla: i did not say you may be lucky to get your system fixed - its only there may be more problems around you dont notice or did mention15:21
onlamaybe I should check bios about that cpu-cool+quiet thing. I thought I went thru all the settings there. Not sure if I find it15:22
onlaHow did you see that kinda thing from the cpuinfo? :s15:22
testdronla: cool+quiet is no strange settings -- you can disable it and thats the default for most bios - but you have to enable it for coolinig your cpu and not runnint in cooling-problems soon.15:22
testdronla: all cores running at full mhz speed --15:23
onlahmm15:23
testdronla: that only happens with heavy workload15:23
onlaI earlier was wondering the noise15:23
onlathen I installed some app to control speeds15:23
testdronla: the noise maybe your ventilator cooling and running on full speed15:23
onlapwmconfig15:24
testdronla: i am off for some minutes15:24
onlaI try find that cool and quiet thing thanks15:24
onlaI go check now15:24
onlait was set to auto. I changed to enabled, but still getting noise from coolers15:34
onlahttps://twitter.com/vn12321/status/52675843440301670415:35
onladid my twitter link come here? My modem said I was disconnected while I pressed enter with that15:35
onlahttp://pastebin.com/AqvdQR3W15:38
onlathis cpus at 3200 seems serious to me15:42
onlamaybe I really should try some live cd.15:43
onlaI have only some micro sd adapter where I can put 2 or 4gb micro sd card. Which program would you use to create a bootable live cd of ? and you would suggest 14.04 for that?15:44
onlaso I could check cpuinfo on live cd if it has 320015:44
onla clean 14.04.1 version.15:48
onlawhat do you think of ubuntu 14.10 if I try 14.04.1 live cd first15:49
onlamaybe I shuld prefer 14.04, because some things I want to install may not be available for 14.1015:53
Gyndawyr_hello lubuntu people16:13
Gyndawyr_What is the release cycle for lubuntu like/when is 15.04 due to come out, and will it have LXQt?16:14
joernhi Gyndawyr_16:14
ianorlin15.04 is out next april16:15
Gyndawyr_damn that's ages away16:15
ianorlinthe 15 part is for 201516:15
ianorlinand the .04 part is for april16:15
joernthe decision for LXQt is still in question16:15
Gyndawyr_heh... it was worth a try, asking :)16:15
joernbut you can already try LXQt16:15
joernif that is what you want ;-)16:16
Gyndawyr_can I get an installer that has it as the default, though?16:16
joernnot yet16:16
joernthere are 2 PPAs for it16:16
Gyndawyr_I shall wait till April then16:16
ianorlinthere is a way to get it from the mini installer but that is a bit tricky16:16
Gyndawyr_one more question: Will lubuntu fit on a tiny 8GB SSD?16:17
ianorlinyes16:17
joernLubuntu needs a bit more than 4 GB, I think16:17
ianorlinbut be warned if you download lots of stuff you could fill up quickly16:17
Gyndawyr_I only plan on getting a few things16:17
Gyndawyr_right now I'm running arch linux but I've not used this PC since 2013 and I'm supposed to have updated it once a week...16:18
Gyndawyr_It's probably worth admitting that arch linux is too hard for me...16:19
Gyndawyr_thanks for the info everyone16:22
zy3pDno problem16:23
onlaokay. With ubuntu 14.04.1 the cpuinfo shows 800.00 mhz on all cores. I think I had that earlier too. Maybe the upgrade couple days ago messed this up also17:16
onlaI am testing a new wlan adapter, but the ubuntu live cd couldn't get it online, and I am troubleshooting that now17:16
testdronla: check type of wlan-chipset - some firmware is not in the default installed pakets - you have to install it extra, cause of copyright issues17:17
onlaI saved my dmesg and lspci to the live cd's Documents folder, but now when I booted to my lubuntu, I can't locate the files :OD17:17
onlalspci showed it on ubuntu live cd17:17
onla03:07.0 Network controller: Intersil Corporation ISL3890 [Prism GT/Prism Duette]/ISL3886 [Prism Javelin/Prism Xbow] (rev 01)17:18
testdronla: you should more test the live-cd-version - you have to save files permanent to the mounted usb-stick-space17:18
onlaye I thought I saved them to the usb disk and I could access them here on lubuntu but apparently not. Maybe I  boot again and save them to other drive :)17:18
onlabut I wonder why this above mentioned network controller didn't load on the ubuntu live cd, but does load automatically on this lubuntu 14.0417:19
onlaI just plugged into my pc and booted lubuntu for the first time an half hour ago and lubuntu recognized and connected internet with it automatically.. ubuntu live cd didn't. I think the dmesg has some info on it, but I guess I need to boot to check17:20
Garbonzodifference between the livecd kernel and the as-installed kernel?17:20
testdronla: you did read what i wrote? The default pakets have not additional firmware - you can add those to the live-cd with apt-get17:20
onlaso earlier I have installed some additional firmware to my lubuntu that covered this card17:21
testdrGarbonzo, onla some firmware is in the linux-firmware-nonfree paket and not in the default live-cd-version17:21
onlaok17:21
Garbonzoright you are testdr. was just guessing -- better i stay out of this one!17:22
testdrto get it - do a:  sudo apt-get install linux-firmware-nonfree17:22
onlauname -r on this lubuntu says: 3.13.0-37-generic  <- should I check if this is differing on live cd, is that what garbonzo you mean?17:22
Garbonzowell, more thinking about what drivers are installed...17:22
Garbonzobut like i said, better i butt out now :-)17:23
testdronla: the live-cd-version has an older linux-kernel - there were already updates - but this is not the reason. Your installed version may already use the necessary firmware for the wlan-chipset.17:23
testdronla: but your problem - as far as i remember - was not the wlan-support, it was the blackout of the monitor like some heavy wrong powersave-missusage17:24
ianorlinit could be underclocking if speedstep is on17:24
onlei connected my phone here17:24
ianorlinit saves on power17:25
testdrianorlin: i dont know - his cpuinfo showed all cores running with full-speed - either wrong bios-setting or no cpu-governer set17:25
onlaI have set some settings with pwmconfig and also in my memo I have added lines on cpufreqd and cpufrequtils, but not sure if I did something with them17:26
testdrianorlin: i dont know what happens if those get to hot - cause his mainboard uses the amd-cpu with builtin grafic for screenoutput17:26
onlaI tried to slow down my fans and cpu in fact at that time. I can run pwmconfig now and see what I did. I think I just added the defaults17:27
testdronla: thats why i suggested a fresh install - its very time-consuming to get down to all those things you might have changed to fix something ...17:27
onlaand it actually slowed my fans at least17:27
onlaye well it's two edged sword, because there are tons of things I  have investigated and done, and which I have to redo if I clean install :)17:28
onlaand I had to ask help with those things, as I can't manage them alone maybe17:28
testdronla: easy thing - you only need a list of all changes you have done and one can check what might be crucial and what not?17:29
onlaone of the recent problems was getting the hdmi audio to work. Actually on the ubuntu live cd dmesg I saw problems with hdmi audio there too. Also the live cd recognized the 2nd monitor strangely17:30
onlabut maybe ye17:31
onla'xset s off &' <- I wonder what this was about17:32
onlalooking at my memo17:32
testdrthat was shit - a try to disable the x11 screensaver-feature with a background job17:33
onlaah, it's about putting monitor to sleep17:33
testdrno - read man xset17:33
testdrs is for screensaver and its timing17:34
onlaokhay, I boot and try sudo apt-get install linux-firmware-nonfree and see if the pci card gets recognized. uname -r was 3.13.0-37-generic (check with my phones log)17:35
onlathough do I need to do some modprobe thing, or reboot the live cd to have it affect17:35
testdronla: if you use an usb-stick for the live-cd-version - you can install the live-cd-version on this usb-stick with a permanet-space to store changes for later runs17:36
testdronla: you can even download the linux-firmware-nonfree paket to the usb-stick and install the paket direct from this usb-stick17:37
onlayea I used the startup disk creator and used the default setting of using 1gb in stored in reserved extra space.. for this I thought when I saved the files to the /home/ubuntu/Documents on the liveUSB, I could access them from my lubuntu but no17:37
testdronla: but i would suggest to do a little google-query about your wlan-chipset (i have not done this yet)17:37
onlayea good point I didn't realize I can'ät apt-get from that live cd :p17:38
testdronla: no - this permanent space is not available, its kind of encrypted17:38
onlabut on the liveusb I can access my other hard disks, so can I download that file to one of those and run from there?17:39
onlabut yes you are talking about permanent changes thing17:40
onlaI guess I would need to install it again and again if I didn't store permanently17:40
testdronla: you guess right17:40
onlabut Ill just try without permanent thing at first :)=17:41
onlabut in that startup app that one option that I used kinda tells me that I have 1gb of permanent storage in the stick17:41
onlathat default.. 1gb of settings saved to extra space17:42
onlahttp://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/all/linux-firmware-nonfree/download17:45
onlathis I guess17:45
onlaafter installing it, will the pci card find the driver it was missing automatically, or do I need modprobe17:48
onlaI reboot, my phone is connected here17:49
ianorlinIt should find it automatically on reboot17:49
onlebut i cant reboor because the live cd storage is not permanent on this17:51
onleso testdr foresee all this that i need the permanent storage thing?17:53
onlewould think there is a way for the pci device to try reload and look again without boot17:54
onleoh the encrypted data stays. i booted and it works now cool thanks:)18:03
onlehmm what else i should first try on this live cd before actually installing18:04
testdrcheck your hardware -18:04
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onlazhttp://pastebin.com/ubVMwuHW This on live cd now from where I am gonna work from - dmesg, cpuinfo, lspci and lsusb.18:16
onlazthis ubuntu is weird, lubuntu more familiar. Trying to configure my 2nd monitor18:20
onlazi installed catalyst control center on lubu. Maybe I find smth from the native18:21
onlazit recognizes my panasonic as 65 inch while it is 42. some 1cm from all edges are out of screen18:23
onlazwhat do you think about the line 151 onwards about bios thing_18:26
joernonlaz: did you disable Overscan in the menu of your Panasonic?18:28
onlaznope. it is a plasma tv. Should I try18:28
onlazI check if I find something like that18:28
joernyes, Overscan is a annoying.... "feature"18:29
joernsometimes it's also called cinema mode or something18:29
onlazwow, at least audio from hdmi and from analog output is working nicely and can switch easily18:30
onlazquality of the tv screen is somehow bad18:31
onlazI cant find that setting. this is really old panasonic viera. Only can change aspect of screen and then some basic other settings18:36
onlazbut it sounds like that this effect is something like that18:37
onlazthuogh on lubuntu I did not have this, oh well18:39
onlazfans are so noisy. Im not sure maybe it was the pwmconfig that I managed to make them less noisy. they noisy on this live cd even when 800mhz cpu18:58
onlazI wonder if I could underclock my cpu from bios18:58
onlazor I can but without knowing about settings18:58
testdronlaz: only for shure: you did not use the LUbuntu-Live-ISO-14.04.1? -- You did use the desktop-ubuntu-version? You know there is the a LUbuntu Live-Version too - only if you want to go for a smaller, lighter windowmanager and dont need too much graphic eye-candys.18:59
testdronlaz: sorry if i am wrong - should go to "onla"19:00
onlazI used the Ubuntu desktop 14.04.1 version.. no im sorry running on multiple nicknames here19:01
onlazI am thinking of trying ubuntu instead of lubuntu this time maybe. Maybe this will have less conflicting apps and processes19:01
onlazat least dvb-t stick is working out of the box19:03
onlazseems like all important hardware working afaik19:03
testdronlaz: trying the live-version to check what would be appropriate for your setup/goals/needs is the idea of those versions. It does not take too long.19:03
onlaznot sure how I test my gamepad. I use my gamepad as a mouse with qjoypad app, but dont bother to install it for live cd now19:04
onlazneed to tweak that then again. Also need to install playonlinux to get hearthstone to run. There was also some problem with that too, and I might have needed to install something additionally19:05
onlazhmhmm then some more tweaks with autokey and gesture recog app using some other apps /) but gladly I have some info on what I did on those19:06
testdronlaz: if you need special configured linux-version - you should consider to install a fresh version only to a small part of your harddisk. So its possible to install another one and you can select at boot-time what version to run. For example i have a 32bit version installed to check for old games (32bit-only). But my normal running-version is a 64bit LUbuntu.19:07
onlazhmm19:08
onlazmaybe19:11
onlazhow about clean install and then install some things to it, and then make a backup of that moment, and then install more, and then come to that moment later when things start to fail_19:12
onlazis that what someone could do?19:12
onlazlike a year later I go back to this backup, which after I would need to do apt-get upgrade and work from there?19:12
onlazI dont even know how that would be done19:13
onlazat least my internet has been less choppy with this new wlan adapter, or maybe the storm outside has eased, and the 3g is giving me the data I want19:15
Garbonzoanyone i can ask about volunteering?21:08
edibileanyone installed lxle 14.04.1 recently?  i can't find the option to change to the xp theme.  in fact, the desktop looks identical to ubuntu 14.04 LTS desktops on other machines.21:11
Unit193Garbonzo: Have you seen https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/GettingInvolved ?21:13
Unit193edibile: LXLE support is in #lxle.21:13
edibilethere is noone there21:14
Garbonzounit193: yes. I've made a launchpad profile, signed the ubuntu code of conduct and all that. just wanted to weigh the options on which team to volunteer for...21:14
Unit193Garbonzo: Ah, cool.  Generally you go with what you like to do the most, or where you think it specifically needs work.  Scratching an itch.21:15
Unit193edibile: Doesn't change that LXLE isn't supported here, though.21:15
Garbonzounit193: makes sense. not much of a coder if at all, so would have to be around the communications or documentation teams...21:16
Unit193silverlion: ^21:16
silverlionUnit193: ???21:17
edibileyeah, was hoping someone was familiar with it21:18
Garbonzosilverlion, was curious about the docs and comms teams and volunteering for one of 'em21:18
silverlionGarbonzo : lubuntu comms team is put on hold atm21:20
silverlionbut if there's a question, just shoot21:21
Garbonzook, just read through and it looks quite forward-facing. can i put my name down for when it starts back up?21:22
silverlionGarbonzo : got a launchpad profile?21:23
silverlionthen do subscribe to http://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-comms21:23
Garbonzoa rudimentary one: https://launchpad.net/~olansa21:24
Garbonzosilverlion: done. thanks!21:24
silverlionGarbonzo : pls do sign the CoC via your profile21:24
silverlionthen I'll be able to handle your request immediatetly tonight21:25
Garbonzosilverlion: oh, thought i had!21:25
silverlionGarbonzo : and we need a wikipage of yours ;)21:25
Garbonzosilverlion: argh, is there no end to your demands? :-)21:25
Garbonzobut if you insist, of course...21:25
silverlionGarbonzo : you're going to work with pros buddy ;)21:26
Garbonzothen i shall tread carefully...21:26
silverlionand as I don't know you yet so I'll have to get a feeling on what you are able to do ;)21:27
Garbonzoabsolutely. understood21:29
Garbonzoare there any projects looming?21:30
silverlionGarbonzo : now that we have released last week there are none21:31
Garbonzofair enough, i'll just watch and learn for now then21:32
silverlionGarbonzo : tell me something about you so that I get to know you21:33
silverlionmaybe we should go PM for that21:33
Garbonzosure.21:33
silverlionotherwise Unit193 will get mad at me ^^21:33
Garbonzoheh :-)21:33
Unit193PM or #lubuntu-offtopic, either works.21:33
silverlionGarbonzo : I'll be online at least one hr from now on21:33
silverlionso shoot away my friend21:34
onla23:13:26 < onla3> model nameI: AMD Phenom(tm) II X4 955 Processor 23:14:01 < Max_> that's 3.2 GHz, so it shouldn't be harmful to run at that                  frequency. 23:15:02 < Max_> CPUs will theoretically degrade faster when you run them at        higher frequencies, but it should be slow enough not to care               on the one it's actually designed to run at.21:46
onlain response to testdr or who was it, who was concerned when he saw my cpuinfo and all cores running at 3.2ghz21:46
onlathe problem that it runs at maximum is that the cpufreq-info is stuck at this "current policy: frequency should be within 3.20 GHz and 3.20 GHz"21:47
onlaok got it by editing manually these files  /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu3/cpufreq/scaling_min_freq21:56

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