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ajalkaneakiva-thinkpad: sorry, have been kinda away01:59
akiva-thinkpadajalkane, np01:59
* akiva-thinkpad is working on a xkb tutorial02:00
zubozroutHello everyone. Could you please give me some advice regarding Qt3D. I've been trying to develop an application using Qml 3D, but although it runs just fine in the SDK, it crashes on the real device: http://askubuntu.com/questions/541987/ubuntu-touch-qt3d-2-0-crashes-on-start Thank you very much for your help.06:59
dholbachgood morning07:12
bmatusiakany way to get around " Error: Error opening shm "  for html5 app?08:27
bmatusiaki dont even know if thats the issue08:27
bmatusiakanybody know why html5 apps on built on ububtu-sdk dont work?08:35
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dpmgood morning all09:08
bmatusiakgm09:12
dpmhi bmatusiak09:13
bmatusiakhi :P09:13
bmatusiakive been trying to debug a app on my nexus 4 and its just not loading09:14
* bmatusiak is frustrated 09:14
dpmbmatusiak, let us know if anyone on the channel can help, but I think we'd need some more details09:36
bmatusiakk let me get a log on pastebin09:45
bmatusiakhttp://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=CzLWGsSS09:53
bmatusiakits a new html5 app project09:55
Jimit_name of app ?09:55
bmatusiakhtml509:56
bmatusiaklol09:56
JamesTaitGood morning all; happy Monday, and happy 110th birthday to the New York City subway! :-D10:01
bmatusiakso i guess im running into a "ubuntu-html5-app-launcher" issue10:15
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karnimhall119: dpm: This module is broken (indicates online true, when device is disconnected) -- where should I report? http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/qml/sdk-14.10/Ubuntu.Connectivity/13:08
DanChapmankarni, i've been having the same issue. You should file against indicator-network13:10
DanChapmanhttps://launchpad.net/indicator-network13:10
karniDanChapman: thank you13:10
dpmok, thanks DanChapman!13:11
DanChapmankarni: seems it's just been filed 138610913:11
DanChapmanbug 138610913:12
ubot5bug 1386109 in Network Menu "com.ubuntu.connectivity1.NetworkingStatus.Status is always online" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/138610913:12
karniDanChapman: https://bugs.launchpad.net/indicator-network/+bug/138610913:12
karniha, right :)13:12
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dpmajalkane, good work with the file manager new header. Sorry I didn't have much time to spend on looking at the designs, but after having tested the branch now, it looks really good13:42
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ajalkanedpm: good to hear. I'm really happy how it turned out. Akiva did some great work on it too, the scrollable path bar is his creation13:50
dpmajalkane, I love the scrolling bar, yeah13:50
dpmajalkane, I'll be filing a few small bugs after usage, but I think it looks fantastic13:51
ajalkanedpm: please do13:53
dpmajalkane, here you go -> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-filemanager-app/+bugs?field.tag=new-header14:02
ajalkanehah... good old purple header. I have no idea how to get rid of that14:03
popeyajalkane: how was your flight back?14:15
ajalkanepopey: went well, slept most of the time ;). You?14:16
popeyvery well, didnt sleeep ☻14:17
popeyrecovered on the weekend14:17
ajalkaneheh... yeah I'm feeling like it's night right now. Woke up at 2am last night and couldn't sleep. ETA of recovery: wednesday14:18
dpm:-)14:27
ahayzenpopey, did you guys have a meeting earlier?14:39
dholbachahayzen, I think popey has a day off today14:41
ahayzendholbach, thanks :)14:41
dpmhey ahayzen, got home back allright?14:49
ahayzendpm, yeah i got back fine thanks :) how was your trip?14:50
dpmahayzen, glad to hear that. Good too, uneventful :)14:50
ahayzendpm, \o/ me and victor are just landing what is hopefully gonna be the last few mps against the remix until it is ready (yn)14:51
dpm\o/14:51
dpmawesome14:51
ahayzendpm, we were discussing last night what to work on next and there wasn't really anything other than the stuff we are waiting on design for14:52
dpmahayzen, ok, I think one thing will be to align the scope and music apps (as per the discussions last week, not sure we can share any data, but we can perhaps look at consistence - e.g. artist artwork to be the same, etc). What designs are you waiting for atm?14:55
ahayzendpm, we are both now sourcing the album art from the same service so they should be exactly the same14:55
ahayzendpm, we are waiting for designs on a few minor things there is a list somewhere.... eg dialogs14:55
ahayzendpm, but yes i agree that we should look at bringing the designs of scope/app as close as possible14:56
popeyhey ahayzen14:57
dpmahayzen, ack. If you could find out where that list of missing designs is, I can ask design to take a look at them14:57
ahayzenpopey, o/14:57
popeyAIUI jouni is on vacation14:57
popeywe can speak to john in our meeting tomorrow14:57
popeybut feel free to ping jouni mails in the meantime.14:58
ahayzencool ... most of them aren't that important so don't think they should block us attempting to start the process of landing remix when it is ready...they are more nice to have things14:58
popeynot sure when he's back14:58
popeyright14:58
ahayzenVictor> "Playlist dialogs, empty state pages, walkthrough pages"14:58
ahayzenpopey, dpm basically the TODO work items for jouni + a walkthrough (although that has lower priority than the work items)14:59
ahayzenbasically we need... [jounihelminen] Provide designs for empty state no music: TODO15:00
ahayzen[jounihelminen] Provide designs for empty state no recent: TODO15:00
ahayzen[jounihelminen] Designs for Add/Edit/Delete playlists dialogues: TODO15:00
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ahayzen..and i guess empty state no playlists as well15:00
dpmok, thanks ahayzen, I moved jouni's TODOs to this week and added one for walkthrough15:02
dpmhttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/music-app/+spec/music-remix-2.015:02
dpmwill add empty state no playlists too15:02
ahayzendpm, cool i'll go through them all in a minute and double check as some of them may have been done at the sprint eg [jounihelminen] Designs for AddToPlaylist picker: TODO15:02
dpmthanks ahayzen!15:03
ahayzendpm, let me know when you have stopped editing the blueprint so we don't cause chaos ;)15:03
dpmahayzen, done :)15:03
ahayzen\o/15:04
Coahello15:38
CoaIs this the right channel to talk about Ubuntu Touch apps?15:38
dakerCoa: yes15:40
CoaJust testing them out, the message you get when you use Hint option too much in Sudoku App is hilarious.15:42
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brendandahayzen, i assume you fixed the Repeat function in the revamped music app?16:42
ahayzenbrendand, what was broken with it?17:12
brendandahayzen, everything - afaict17:13
popeybug number?17:13
ahayzenhah brendand any steps ?17:14
* ahayzen pretends that shuffle works perfectly17:14
brendandahayzen, not Shuffle - repeat17:14
brendandahayzen, shuffle does work perfectly17:14
ahayzenyeah don't start looking at shuffle ;) it is broken if u go backwards...but we were waiting for background playlists in media-hub before fixing that17:15
ahayzenbrendand, so what is broken it repeat?17:15
ahayzen*with repeat17:15
brendandahayzen, play an album, then turn repeat on17:16
ahayzenyep17:16
dpmahayzen, I can't for the life of me find out where the purple actions header comes from on bug 1386208 - you guys have been doing a lot of work on theming the music app, would you know what could be adding the colour to the file manager's header actions?17:16
ubot5bug 1386208 in Ubuntu File Manager App "Purple actions on the header" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/138620817:16
ahayzendpm, "a lot of work on theming" heh ... we just set the headerColor and backgroundColor in the MainView17:17
brendandahayzen, then skip, or wait until the track ends17:17
brendandahayzen, it always goes to the next one17:18
ahayzenbrendand, yeah when it reaches the end of the list it loops around17:18
dpmahayzen, you just make it sound easy :-)17:18
ahayzenbrendand, ah are you thinking repeat should be repeat that track?17:18
ahayzenbrendand, repeat means that when the end of the queue is reached it starts over instead of stopping...not repeating the same song17:18
ahayzendpm, i would point you to the code but getting 503's from lp17:18
dpmahayzen, no worries. I know how to set the header, footer & co colours, there must be something else I'm missing17:19
ahayzenbrendand, we were thinking of having 3 states... no repeat, repeat all and repeat one but we only have no repeat/repeat all for now17:19
ahayzendpm, basically we do backgroundColor: "#1e1e23" headerColor: "#1e1e23" in the MainView17:20
ahayzendpm, otherwise i would talk to t1mp about it if you can't figure it out17:20
brendandahayzen, that's interesting17:21
ahayzenbrendand, with repeat set to off... note it will only stop if the end of the track is reached...if you are on the last track and select next with repeat off it *will* loop around17:23
* nik90 waves17:46
* popey waves to nik90 18:03
nik90popey: hey hey how is it going?18:03
popeygreat, having a day off after the sprint ☻18:04
zubozroutHello, does anyone have any thoughts on this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/541987/ubuntu-touch-qt3d-2-0-crashes-on-start ... it seems importing Qt3D 2.0 causes my app to crash on the device, but it runs nicely on my desktop. Thank you very much.18:05
nik90popey: cool, enjoy18:07
popeyzubozrout: fails on the desktop here18:08
popeyfile:///home/alan/qt3dtest/main.qml:2 module "Qt3D" is not installed18:08
zubozroutHmm, I've got it running in the SDK.18:09
popeyinside the emulator?18:09
popeyaha!18:10
zubozroutNope, just with the "run" button.18:10
popeygot it working, i had a missing package18:10
popeyqtdeclarative5-qt3d-plugin is installable on the desktop, but it's not pre-installed on the device images18:10
zubozroutOk, than it is possible it is missing on my tablet too.18:10
popeyvery likely18:10
popeythe question is, od we even want to install it18:11
popey*do18:11
zubozroutHmm, but this https://github.com/Sturmflut/ubuntu-touch-qt3d-cylinder/tree/master/src works on my tablet.18:11
popeythat's a question for Mirv / bzoltan_18:11
popeythats c++18:11
zubozroutOk18:11
popeythe missing bit is the qml plugin18:11
popeyzubozrout: i can email the necessary people and cc you on it, if you would like?18:12
zubozroutI understand, anyway, thanks for solving my little mystery :)18:12
popeynp18:12
zubozroutIf you could, please do so, as I think it should be installed by default. It is easy to develop in :).18:13
popeydone18:14
zubozroutI'll try to install the package on my tablet, to see if it works.18:14
popeyThanks for not asking how I knew your email address ㋛18:16
ogra_popey, zubozrout, i would put all my betrs on the fact that Qt3D is only compiled for GL ... so it wont work on touch at all18:18
popeyinteresting.18:18
ogra_i might be wrong though :)18:19
ogra_Mirv or rsalveti could tell (the latter is on vacation though)18:19
popeyi mailed mirv and zoltan18:19
zubozroutOh, thanks - I haven't noticed the email you sent me. And I am not surprised, since you had to authorize dozens of my software-center app changes, sorry for that.18:19
popey18:19
zubozroutAnyway, there is one more thing, maybe you can give me some hint: http://askubuntu.com/questions/541214/how-can-i-detect-screen-rotation-with-qml18:21
popeyogra_: well, there is a thing that uses qt3d in the store which works, is just the qml bit missing18:21
ogra_ah, k ... then it must be fine indeed18:22
mhall119nik90: are you going to be a track lead for appdev this UOS?18:25
ahayzenHi, anyone know how to fix the urlhandler when it starts eg opening calendar instead of music, is there something i can reset somewhere?18:27
nik90mhall119: I can't be a track lead this time since I still have my 2nd exam coming up on Nov 7th which I will be busy with18:32
mhall119ah, no worried, best of luck on the exams18:32
nik90thnx. I will be ofc taking part in the UOS itself18:33
popeyAny of you know of an application/tool which can be used to create a decision tree?18:48
popeysomething which exports to html would be a bonus.18:49
ahayzenpopey, Dia is pretty good at doing any sort of diagrams with lots of export options18:49
popeyyeah, i wanted to make a thing like this:- http://popey.com/~alan/helpdesk/showTree.html?141443471118:50
popeysomething that lets me brain dump in and get out something like a web page people can answer questions in and get to an answer18:51
ahayzenpopey, maybe Dia isn't the right tool then ;)18:53
popeyyeah.18:54
popeystarting to think that some kind of graphical adventure creator is the right tool!18:54
ahayzenpopey, write an app in QML to do it ;)18:55
popeyfunny man18:55
ahayzenpopey, then export HTML via content-hub aha18:55
popeyNow look.18:56
popeySeriously, interactive fiction engines might well be the right tool here18:56
mihirpopey: is it kind of survey ?18:58
popeynah, more a helpdesk18:58
popey"Oh, so your system broke, lets figure out a solution"18:59
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mhall119zbenjamin: would you be able to be a UOS track lead for the appdev track?19:27
mhall119also, any core app developers who can be a track lead for us this cycle?19:29
vitimitiIs it recommended better using anchors or Qt layout for the layout of the screens?20:06
davmor2popey: see if there is a plugin for libreoffice :) It can create static html pages if it is anything like old open office :)20:10

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