[00:13] i was thinking about the clocks changing [00:13] I think they just went back 24 hours? === arsen is now known as Guest43922 [00:15] so my question is this: can unix tzdata handle a timezone where seconds are 0.023% shorter for half the year, and 0.0023% longer for the other half? [00:16] err [00:17] ali1234: I mean this in the nicest possible way. when you become earth's evil overlord, I'm leaving the planet :) [00:18] i was thinking about what you'd do if you had no clock [00:18] I think that's been tried? we just got up when it got light and went to bed when it got dark? [00:18] right, my conclusion is if the sun rises earlier each day, you'll get up earlier each day [00:19] if you get up earlier you go to sleep earlier [00:19] what about those of us that don't respect daylight? [00:19] which effectively means each day is slightly less than 24 hours [00:20] it's not that linear though? [00:20] then when the daylight hours get shorter you are getting up later each day, so the days are slightly longer [00:22] just remember when you become evil overlord there's a todo list. a real time saver :-) http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EvilOverlordList [00:22] I think redefining seconds would cause more problems though [00:22] yes. better to make days +/- 20 seconds [00:23] that could be adjusted to match the change in sunrise times [00:23] I mean, I thought it was crazy that australia have a "and a half" timezone [00:23] effectively i'm proposing a time system where sunrise is at a fixed time instead of noon [00:24] this would mean timezone would depend on latitude as well as longitude [00:24] yeah, I was just thinking that. noon's easy because it's constant [00:25] you'd have timezones shaped like sine waves [00:25] if tzdata devs think they have it bad now... [00:26] I still have to contemplate that the easiest way for them to handle this proposal, would be to hire a hitman [00:27] I think we should all be on atomic time [00:27] diddledan: I've seen your pic dear. You're not an atom. [00:27] none of this futsing about with leap-seconds and daylight saving [00:28] honestly, I'd be happy if they could even get europe & north america to switch daylight savings at the same time [00:29] instead of this weird mess where we're now 4 hours ahead of new york. for a week or two. [00:29] I'm betting that's a real pain point for you supporting the us from eire [00:29] it's mostly painful for them :) [00:29] lol [00:30] we do 6am-6pm no matter what. they're the ones that end up doing 2pm-2am for a week or two (or three in spring) [00:31] I understand the current mess - it's normalized to lattitude (europe is a lot further north than it feels like) [00:32] i'd be happy if they got rid of summer time as the farmers are a smaller % of workers now [00:33] (barcelona is further north than NYC, for example) [00:37] now that I think about it, ali's timezones wouldn't be sine waves, they'd just be diagonal versions of what we have now [00:38] kinda. until you hit the equator. and then I run out of think. [00:38] they'd be sine waves if the change was 0.023% per day [00:39] I'm just thinking that as you head south, so sunrise comes later (in the summer at least), you can compensate by heading east [00:40] what's really awkward is that would be reversed in the winter, they'd lean the other way [00:41] oh god, that would be we'd have different length of day for the north compared to the south [00:41] and seconds wouldn't align [00:41] nah. let's be realistic. you'd just continue to pretend the north doesn't exist. [00:42] I mean hemispherically [00:42] well, timezones are already wider at the equator [00:47] I think the pi's going to work tomorrow. it's a bank holiday, I can get away with it :) [00:48] put it in a big desktop calculator case :-) [00:50] I figure if they didn't want me to take retropi to work, they wouldn't have given me a 4:3 monitor :) [00:50] diddledan: re book .. watch http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2281159/ :) [00:53] wtf [00:53] that looks fun [00:53] it's a zombie movie from the zombie's pov, basically. it's a trainwreck. [00:54] but there's one scene in particular that's uncomfortably close to what you just described === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away === Daryl is now known as Guest48999 === zmoylan-1i is now known as zmoylan-pi [02:47] god damn [02:48] so much for my 100mbit [02:48] speedtest shows 13.8mbit..yet im paying for 100 [02:51] yeouch [02:51] that's sloow [02:51] yep [02:51] 75 pounds a month for 100 [02:51] so il have to call them and have another fun conversation [02:51] maybe neighbours are swamping the local node [02:54] is this real world speeds or just speedtest.net? 'cause that site blows [02:55] speedtest.net [02:55] and my samsung rv520 laptop isnt working..turned off and now display wont come on..laptop turns n then off like after say 10seconds [02:56] annoying as i did buy a new laptop before i came herebut left it in theuk [03:02] D: [03:02] why on earth are you awake :/ [03:11] homeland time [03:11] yay [03:15] wonder whats wrong with my rv520..really annoying :( [03:15] only got my netbook now which i love but its small for watching tv on [03:19] i'd just fully strip and reassemble [03:19] run minimal hardware, see what happens [03:20] yea [03:20] il have to do it back in UK [03:20] not got anything here so cant take it apoart etc [03:25] =[ [03:26] i never like having situations and being away from my tools [03:26] yea [03:26] it sucks [03:27] in fact i went to England once without any of my USB flash drives and regretted it [03:27] thats why i hate moving or livng abroad really...cant being everything [03:27] bring [03:27] so many situations came up [03:27] yea [04:14] afty still awake? [04:20] I've never really had that. when I moved to the US, I took a suitcase. when I came back, I brought the same suitcase [04:22] how long did you stay there for [04:22] 5 years [04:23] wow nice [04:24] moving there was funny though. I was 20, so simple priorities. stuck my PC in the suitcase. filled the insides of the tower with books so bits wouldn't shift around too much [04:24] i'm alive [04:24] and then shoved enough clothes in the suitcase to keep it padded :) [04:24] (and took the harddrives as carryon because I didn't trust the baggage monkeys) [04:26] u took a big pc? [04:26] heh, sure [04:26] that was 2001. a laptop was a big deal for a 20yo back then :p [04:26] ;D [04:28] it wasn't even a good PC :/ but it went through hell with me [04:31] heh [04:32] how much did it weigh? you managed to fit in youir allowance for case? [04:32] I honestly have no idea. mum figured all that stuff out :) [04:32] :) [04:33] howcome you guys are always up so late [04:33] I went to bed, nothing happened, so I got up again [04:34] I get stuck in this loop where I go to bed late when I have to be up early. and then can't sleep because I worry that I won't wake up on time [04:34] eek! [04:34] i just don't have anything to be up for tomorrow [04:34] and keep staying up watching the Baseball world series ;| [04:34] I work at 6 :/ [04:34] ouch [04:34] you're close now! [04:36] hahaha thats the kinda thing id do shauno stay up late then like uh cant sleep i may oversleep ll [04:36] you work from home? [04:36] nah, I've got a proper job :p [04:38] time to bail on the waking world i think [04:38] heh [04:38] nn gents \o [04:39] nn mate [04:39] night [05:47] mmm bangers and tea [06:10] good lord man. bangers and mash! [07:50] morning all [08:21] morning MooDoo [08:21] sorry about the delay [08:31] no worries i was on early [08:53] yay someone got nic bonding working on 14.04 lts server using my post :) [08:53] well done [08:54] lol simple things eh lol [08:55] is that 802.1ax or the linux-only variant? [08:56] .1ax is fairly recent in terms of spec [08:57] bangers [08:57] mmmm [09:02] yo peeps [09:02] lo [09:03] hey diddledan how are you today [09:03] hunky dory ta [09:03] same here [09:04] allthough I have quite a bit of work to get through reinstalling my dual booted macbook air :( [09:04] Yosemety update killed my dual boot ability so i had to completely nuke and pave back to mavericks [09:05] And I had it pimped out so nicely [09:09] :-( [09:09] sucky [09:09] morning [09:09] what isn't sucky tho: http://jupiter.bowlhat.net:1888/map/%23ubuntu-uk (note that the data isn't fully loaded yet) [09:10] * diddledan been playing over night [09:11] did I kill him? [09:11] ello dutchie [09:16] any one know of any decent p2v tools? besindes vmware convertor, which I'm using at the moment? it's for a 14.04 LTS server. [09:27] MooDoo: why you after me [09:28] davmor2: wasn't, not that I can remember why [09:29] That's the ones :D davmor2 I'm after you sir! :D [09:29] MooDoo: last night around 10:00 by the look of it [09:29] davmor2: ah i remember now, on brobostigon's stats, you're the one above me on most talking irc users [09:30] MooDoo: ah let me guess popey is number 1 [09:30] yeah but no surprise there really ;) [09:31] Oh and Morning all [09:32] morning all [09:35] diddledan: you sure that's -uk? [09:35] speak of the devil [09:35] looks more like #ubuntu to me [09:35] morning popey [09:35] yo [09:35] good flight back? [09:39] popey: yeah pretty uneventful and no ripped jeans this time \o/ [09:40] heh [09:42] * zmoylan-pi wonders how you rip jeans on an airplane... [09:43] probably jumping over all the seats to get at the screaming kid ;) [09:44] or travelling as luggage and getting caught on baggage carousel [09:45] on the newark flight in I was on like the worlds smallest plane, must of been about 5'11 and about 4'6-5' where the luggage rack came I had the window seat and the arm had a bit sticking out of it. I'm 6'2 so because of the weird angle I was at to get into the seat my jeans got snagged on the bit sticking out of the arm [09:45] :( [09:53] morning boys and girls. [09:54] how wide are seats on aeroplanes nowadays? [09:54] do they fit american butts? [09:55] unlikely. [09:55] there isn't a universal butt [09:55] butts are wider now than in the 70s though, surely [09:55] the ones on the A380 are nice [09:56] the plane i was on is 6 months old [09:56] a380 airbutt [09:57] airplane chair, with butt massager. [09:58] Good morning peeps :) [09:59] morning bigcalm [09:59] o/ [09:59] morning === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [09:59] morning MooDoo [10:00] we were very nice to the stewardesses [10:01] so we kept getting topped up with booze and food on the flight [10:01] * popey ♥ BA [10:01] :) [10:01] Good morning all; happy Monday, and happy 110th birthday to the New York City subway! :-D [10:01] morning JamesTait [10:02] brobostigon, o/ [10:02] popey, I wish I'd worked the travel agent harder and got a BA flight. United charge extra for alcoholic drinks with your meal. :( [10:03] ugh [10:03] i ended up having 6 bottles of plonk [10:03] 75cl bottles? [10:03] airplane bottles [10:04] Aww [10:04] also she slipped us a bacon sarnie she nabbed from club class as we were coming in to land [10:04] * JamesTait makes a note to travel with popey next time. [10:05] the bacon sarnie, king of sarnies [10:07] me and will tend to pm eachother 24 hours before the flight to book our seats ☻ [10:07] did someone here run a page called "pimp my spice rack", or did I dream it? [10:08] I did the same with davmor2 for the Malta sprint, but we were on different flights this time. [10:08] dwatkins: alanbell [10:10] thanks foobarry - I couldn't find the link [10:10] they should make a dr who spinoff called "pimp my tardis!!" [10:11] brobostigon: there's probably a subreddit for that [10:11] :) [10:14] but if you change the appearance of the tardis, is it still a tardis? [10:15] yes, just a new series ;P [10:16] aha, it's "Rate my spice rack", found it! [10:16] the site no longer exists, however [10:32] way back machine have it? [10:50] JamesTait: we need to work that better next time :) [10:56] hehe, http://imgur.com/ryMubA8 "This British Street is all set for Halloween" [10:57] popey: oh scary [10:58] hm, I'm missing something [10:59] shauno: I'm waiting for popey's pic of here's an american street ready for halloween [11:00] shauno: they take it a little more seriously over there [11:00] uk has moved it's celebration to nov 5 for guy fawkes night [11:01] in my village, it seemed it was 5th november last night [11:01] "moved" [11:01] MooDoo: diwali? [11:02] i let off some fireworks we've had for 2 years on saturday [11:02] no just some prat in a garden setting off fireworks at 9pm [11:02] only quiet ones that sparkle [11:02] well guy fawkes night has masks and fireworks and bonfires like halloween [11:11] "you car is in v good condition. just some minor bits. that will be £125 please" [11:12] I actually liked halloween in the states. our town had this cute thing where the shops all put an orange card cut-out of a pumpkin in the window [11:13] and then on halloween, the kids all go and trick'or'treat just those stores [11:13] it was overly cutsey, but highly effective. no more hiding upstairs with all the lights out [11:14] * zmoylan-pi fills in the scorpion pit... :-) [11:15] skip trick or treating; play Costume Quest instead [11:15] better for your teeth! [11:19] shauno: we do that in our area, if there is a lit pumpkin outside, you can trick or treat there. [11:20] I do miss that [11:20] here I just hide my wheelie bins and shut the lights out [11:21] ireland's in an odd position where they basically want a 'bonfire night', but they don't have/recognise the 5th. so halloween becomes defacto bonfire night, fireworks are smuggled across the border, etc [11:22] and combining "trick" with "bonfire" isn't always ideal [11:24] sent a contractor a gz of a large file 260MB. he was struggling to read it, then i realised 1) he hadn't gunzipped 2) he was doing the windows user fail of opening the whole file in a text editor [11:24] davmor2, did you see the toy store in Tysons Corner Center (sic) where they moved all the toys into the store room and re-stocked with Hallowe'en stuff instead? [11:24] windows mentality. must open entire file to search for string [11:25] JamesTait: that was the Mircosoft store you were looking at wasn't it [11:26] davmor2, oh no, I was too busy next door in the Tesla store.... [11:29] we've always had a bonfire night, it might go back to ancient tradition of putting out all fires once a year and sharing a single flame from tara [11:31] right, and it's likely the same here. but the uk has a current outlet for it, here they really don't [11:31] well we have bonfires on halloween [11:31] lots of them [11:31] i haven't been to a part of ireland that didn't have bonfires [11:32] that's what I mean. the uk has a seperate night for them. here they just get bundled in [12:35] there [12:35] system reinstalled :) [12:36] Stupid Yosemite update .. [12:36] breaking my dual boot ... hrrmmpphh [12:38] oh dear. [12:38] had to redo both my ubuntu and my osx install .. [12:38] Oh, yosemit's the new OSX. that's not a cat [12:39] Yep [12:39] Neither is Mavericks [12:39] I went for Elementary as my linux distro this time [12:39] its fast and it looks good [12:39] Oh yeah, I missed that one [12:39] even if its based on 12.04 [12:39] Is that the OSX clone? [12:40] "clone" is a big word [12:40] but its a light and elegant distro based on 12.04 [12:40] Is that the one that looks like OSX? :) [12:40] had it installed on my wifes imac for a month before she noticed it [12:40] yes , it does look like osx a bit [12:40] haha [12:41] its pretty though. [12:41] and fast .. fast is important [12:41] lighter then unity , better looking then lxde [12:42] yeah, I don't find Unity that slow, except the start-button search thing [12:43] but, generally, I'm still amazed by Crunchbang's ability to not make me swear at my computer all the time [12:43] gnome3 is definatly faster in that respect. [12:44] at making you swear at it? [12:44] :) [12:44] yeah, I can't remember what put me off Gnome3 [12:45] one here tried Ubuntu Mate? [12:45] I don't actually care what window manager i'm using. mostly I hide the dock / unity launcher and use a keyboard launcher like Kupfer to start all my apps [12:45] OERIAS: i have , its fast .. stable .. and it feels very very retro [12:46] knightwise, it might actually make stop complaining about ubuntu [12:46] no, the app search thing, BigRedS [12:46] now that it has a gnome 2.x desktop [12:46] Mozilla gave me a free Flame, aww yis [12:46] yeah, that's why i was fine with Unity, but I found the weird way you get told about unread mails/jabbers unworkable [12:47] I'm looking forward to the next version of elementary to be honest. [12:47] i just ubuntu would have made a flavour a whole lot sooner [12:47] its very "sober" but that is just what I like about the distro [12:47] back in 2011 [12:47] of course [12:47] btw : have any of you checked out Chromixium ? [12:49] no i haven't [12:49] tell me [12:50] ubuntu on the bottom , chromeOS up top based on Chromium [12:52] nice [12:52] does it have access to chrome store? [12:53] knightwise: why not just drop x altogether and just use the terminal ;) [12:53] come on .. terminal-only discussions are soooo 1995 [12:56] knightwise: and your gui is from 1996 right ;) [12:56] lol [12:56] i dont think a terminal only interface for a linux DESKTOP is feasable anymore [12:56] for a server perhaps.. Terminal + webinterface is all I use for my servers [12:56] but on my desktops ? [12:57] knightwise: well I was talking about you personally :P [12:57] hmmm.. i love using terminal apps for their speed and the low bandwith they use (i'm hotspotting my phone a lot) [12:58] But I don't know if I could use them exclusively [12:58] knightwise: I'm guessing that there is only really the browser you need x for right so you could throw that in an unconfined lxc container and have that run x for you done ;) [12:59] true. [12:59] the nice thing about chromixium is that you can always have that one app available that you don't have in chrome [12:59] like for example something like filezilla or something [12:59] but running complete X is a waste of resources , i agree [13:02] knightwise: what do you use a web interface for on a server? [13:02] webmin style things? [13:02] webmin [13:03] and things like plex , bittorrent sync, calibre, transmission .. all of those thing run via web interfaces [13:04] ah, I was thinking more traditional servery things [13:05] that's a little more like shifting desktop apps off to a server and using a webui for them [13:05] you're in the cloud, man [13:05] Private cloud :) [13:13] wow, gnome-shell is slow [13:14] and cpu heavy [13:19] not my cuppa tea :) [13:22] yeah, i'm usually happy with unmity [13:22] unity [13:22] but decided to see what i'm missing [13:22] dutchie: that bad ? [13:22] what's that bad? [13:26] Gnome3 [13:27] i think if it didn't keep dropping frames it'd be ok [13:27] hmm.. [13:27] I'm getting all of my apps together here , mostly everything works , aside from runnign the latest version of Evernote under wine [13:27] i might even prefer it to unity [13:28] but it loses v hard in performance to that [13:30] i'll give it a go this week i think [13:30] also i've managed to get a white box stuck on the screen [13:31] one of those old-school right-click menu glitch type things [13:32] yeah, I don't recall why I preferred Unity to Gnome 3. They're really similar in lots of ways [13:33] i prefer gnome3's workspace implementation. [13:34] does gnome3 still suffer from the issue where if you update it, you have choice to disable extensions or wait until all your extensions are updated? [13:34] i tried it for about 6 months [13:35] extensions were necessary, but they did not cohabit nicely and crashed gnome a lot [13:36] idk [13:36] i typed "apt-get install ubuntu-gnome-desktop" then logged out and back in with the "gnome" sessino [13:36] i used to use g-s before unity even existed [13:37] used to compile it out of git every week [13:37] same here. [13:38] i simply use gnome3 directly from debian experimental now. [13:42] 'simply' :) [13:42] :) [13:42] brobostigon: on ubuntu? [13:42] there much of a diff? [13:43] less naked people :( [13:45] dutchie: on debian sid, [13:45] brobostigon: what are you doing in here then?!?! ;) [13:46] dutchie: i use ubuntu as well, in various forms. [13:46] naked [13:46] have you seen the debian 'community'? don't banish him :( [13:47] they are friendly if you have a grey beard [13:47] I have a grey beard. I'd still disagree. [13:48] joking aside, is gnome-shell actually a fast moving project still? [13:48] this laptop should definitely be able to run it comfortably [13:48] model name : Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4600U CPU @ 2.10GHz [13:49] yes, and yes. [13:50] maybe it's just indexing stuff or something? [13:51] whats slow about it? [13:51] alt tab switcher, swapping workspaces [13:52] it's sitting at 85%+ cpu in top [13:56] gnome3 was horrific for that [13:56] mind you, unity dash is slow to pop up too [13:58] popey: you were right about http://jupiter.bowlhat.net:1888/map/%23ubuntu-uk it was showing #ubuntu's map - something messed up in the json cronjob. it seems fixed now [13:59] not so much in my experience [14:02] aha [14:02] chrome -> settings -> use system title bar/borders [14:03] and it all runs beautifully [14:11] foobarry: i fixed that by switching off active blur [14:12] GOOD MORNING CALIFORNIA! [14:12] \o/ new tv ordered [14:12] Today is a beautiful day for the folks in the beautiful city of Diamond Bar CA [14:13] popey: yes, got a lot better after that as i recall [14:13] 57 freeway both North and South is congested [14:13] any x2go users in here? [14:14] no idea what that is [14:16] its a type of nxserver, freenx [14:16] remote desktop app [14:17] ahh [14:17] foobarry: i played with it , didn't get it to work the first time though. [14:17] have a bit og a problem with a session [14:17] :( [14:17] its interesting to have at home. give kids / wife / gran a Linux T [14:17] stuck in suspend mode. user wants to save the session [14:18] hmm.. im afraid that is beyond my knowledge [14:18] yeah, was just checking . the freenode channel is dormant [14:29] so my wet piece of string got replaced by openreach [14:29] internet isn't any faster :( [14:34] grr [14:35] diddledan: heh, that graph's kinda snazzy. I got a wee star! out there on the edge of the galaxy with nae pals lol [14:37] shauno: it'll re-jig the positions when you refresh - the json just says who's connected to who and the browser decides how to render that [14:38] I can't help suspecting it's a little biased though. we don't use names so much at 5am when there's only 3 people awake. it's much easier to imply who you're talking to lol [14:42]