[06:38] Bonjour tout le monde ! [08:07] good morning desktopers [08:44] Salut [08:48] hey czajkowski, how are you? [08:48] morning [08:49] lut didrocks, bien dormi ? [08:49] seb128: bien dormi, et toi ? [08:49] nickel [08:49] 23h-7h [08:50] seb128: good thanks you ? [08:50] héhé, 22h-9h30 ici :) [08:50] czajkowski, good as well, thanks ;-) [08:50] didrocks, tu devais avoir un déficit ;-) [08:50] seb128: un tout petit peu :p [08:51] moi bizarrement je le sens pas ce coup-ci [08:51] j'ai pas trop abusé pendant la semaine il faut dire [08:51] et tu as sûrement dormi dans l'avion… [08:52] o/ [08:52] * willcooke <- MEGA YAWN [08:52] hey willcooke [08:52] hey willcooke [08:52] didrocks, en fait pas trop [08:52] * seb128 switches to english [08:53] didrocks, the flight was a bit short for sleeping [08:53] seb128: ah? [08:53] yeah [08:53] they served meal 1.5 hours in [08:53] and woke us up 1.5 hours before landing [08:53] so it's like 3 hours "night" [08:53] even if you manage to sleep [08:53] yeah [08:53] seb128: just a 6h flight? woah [08:53] mvo_, 6h50 [08:53] mine was 7:30, slow jet I guess :P [08:54] seb128: did you fly FRA? [08:54] mvo_, we are a bit ahead on schedule, it was supposed to be like 7h [08:54] mvo_, no, ams [08:54] aha, ok [08:54] nice [08:54] which is a bit closer [08:54] anyway, same logic [08:54] even on 7h30, they serve meal 1h30 in [08:55] :) [08:55] time to eat, you are over 2 hours in [08:55] and if they wake you up almost 2 hours before landing [08:55] right [08:55] you have some 3 hours to sleep [08:55] I still find it impressive that you manage to sleep pretty much all of these 3h :) [08:55] :-) [08:55] and good morning didrocks and willcooke [08:56] good morning mvo_ [08:56] hi! [08:57] hey willcooke [08:58] Really struggling to get out of bed this morning [09:04] sigh - my Summit login is still broken [09:04] * ogra_ cuddles his espresso machine [09:04] yo [09:05] hey Laney [09:05] hey Laney! [09:05] how's it going [09:05] Laney: did you catch your flight? They called you right after we left :) [09:06] yeah [09:06] it was before the time my boarding pass showed [09:06] so i don't know why they were getting stressed [09:06] weird [09:06] so you were this special "I'm last entering the plane" :) [09:09] hum, neck creating pain again… Starting to get my head blocked into this weird position… [09:15] Laney, hey, how are you? [09:19] didrocks: got any warm heating pads or a hot water bottle, very useful to help pain ease off [09:20] czajkowski: no, just using a towel with hot water, but I have to renew it quite often [09:22] didrocks: something like http://url.ie/w7n1 if you cna pick it up will help a lot [09:23] czajkowski: thanks for the link, looking if I can find something similar here :) [09:23] yup [09:24] didrocks: or deep heat spray/gel , personally i love the smell of the stuff, it's not everyones cup of tea [09:24] ahah, it's like you enjoy have the neck stuck then ;) [09:25] hey seb128, doing good thanks [09:25] managed to last until 10pm last night [09:26] nice [09:37] didrocks: I've a dodgey back so use many many options [09:49] guys help [10:06] Laney, I'm going to update/merge rhythmbox if you didn't start on that yet [10:12] * didrocks waits for the current tests to finish to see why the eclipse test is failing on the datacenter… [10:12] pass wonderfully here :/ [10:12] didrocks, did you have to get a proxy set up in the end? [10:13] willcooke: yeah, and this is working really well now :) [10:14] but before the release, I want to have 100% of tests passing of course, and the new one with eclipse don't pass on the vms, not sure why. So once the machine is frozen, I'll take a terminal + ssh and debug it like real man (meaning: manually) ;) [10:14] :D [10:14] I wonder if eatmydata interferes [10:17] seb128: didn't, go for it [10:17] cool [10:17] willcooke, btw, meeting today? with dst, do we shift by one hour or stay on constant utc time§? [10:19] seb128, I'd say we leave it at the same fixed UTC time, but I'm easy. Do you have a preference? [10:19] not really, I think that's what we agreed on at the previous dst change [10:19] didrocks or Laney can probably confirm ^ ? [10:20] think so [10:20] it's easier to do that [10:21] yeah, it's what we do generally [10:21] keep it the same UTC time? [10:21] ye [10:21] keeping it [10:22] hummm. Now I'm confused, I think GCal has moved it [10:22] so it should be 1630 UTC today? [10:23] no, it should be 1530 UTC, because it used to be at 1630 in summer time, right? [10:23] O_o [10:23] DOES NOT COMPUTE [10:23] yeah, gcal has shifted it one hour earlier, resulting at the same time here (local time) [10:24] it depends who created it I think, and so, it follows so that it stays at the same time one your local time [10:24] on* [10:25] do it should be 1530 UTC? [10:25] *so [10:26] no, sorry - 1730 [10:26] it is 1530 [10:27] willcooke, 1530 utc [10:27] that's one hour early local time now [10:27] MATHS! [10:27] use the google hax and put it at 15:30 iceland time [10:27] si was 4:30pm for uk and is 3:30 now [10:27] then everyone should get it at the right time if you invite them [10:28] Iceland hack FTW [10:28] ahah, the proxy wasn't enabled and eclipse isn't in the datacenter whitelist! \o/ [10:29] willcooke: yep, right time (one hour earlier) for me :) [10:29] oh no, 2 now [10:29] hum, weird… [10:29] the email had the right time [10:29] not my calendar [10:29] wth! [10:30] right timezone in my gcal though [10:30] seb128: same for you? the email was telling 16:30 and it starts at 15:30 in your gcal? [10:30] didrocks, let me check [10:30] * seb128 still on washington tz [10:31] yeah, it's moved it to 1430 in my cal now [10:31] didrocks, seems buggy yes [10:31] gcal is a piece of c*** [10:31] SOFTWARE! [10:31] ok, so at least, we all see the same issue [10:31] which is… encouraging :) [10:31] Damn it - I move it, and sent the invite and I just watched it move itself back again [10:31] third time's the charm.... [10:32] google 0 - 3 tzs [10:32] :-) [10:32] I should just invite you to the event I already had in my calendar [10:32] it's weird that they didn't find a better way to display this. I'm sure that google is facing the same multizone issues internally [10:33] hum. Now it's deleted the timezone... [10:33] which was already correct [10:33] :P [10:33] Laney, asking to get more paperwork?! :-) [10:34] noooooarghghg [10:34] didrocks, can you look in your gcal and see if it's correct now? [10:35] willcooke: yeah, perfect! [10:35] ok [10:35] 16:30, so one hour earlier than now [10:35] not for me [10:35] seb128: refresh [10:35] I had to refresh [10:35] I see a 17:30 one in the UE calendar [10:35] I refreshed [10:35] there is still the old one [10:35] k [10:35] did you add the new one? [10:35] so not perfect :p [10:35] yes, I've both [10:35] yeah, now, removing the old one [10:35] ideally the UE one needs to be updated or deleted [10:36] I had 3 in fact [10:36] 2 in my calendar [10:36] seb128: if you answered yes, it's copied in your calendar [10:36] +1 in UE [10:36] not sure it can be remotely removed [10:36] goooogggllle [10:36] * willcooke fixes the UE one [10:36] grrr [10:36] that's the same thing that bite my in washington [10:36] then there's the fridge.ubuntu.com one [10:36] :) [10:36] well, normally, you would update the old one [10:36] why don't they delete events you accepted if the event got deleted [10:37] like they keep a copy in your calendar [10:37] even if the "master" has been removed [10:37] lulz - now I look to next week and it's moved to 1430 [10:37] yeah, dunno, if the creator deletes it, would make sense to remove from everyone [10:37] which means you have buggy ghost events [10:37] willcooke: confirmed :/ [10:37] shrug [10:37] willcooke: did you choose to update all events of the series? [10:38] today's one is wrong now as well? [10:38] I see it for 15:30 [10:38] seb128: not for me though [10:38] oh indeed [10:38] just refreshed [10:38] and back to 15:30 [10:39] hahaha [10:39] DAMMMMMMMMMMM YOOOUUUUUUUUUUUU [10:39] HAHAHA [10:39] ok, screw this [10:39] good times were had by all [10:39] * willcooke deletes the whole thing [10:40] look at the one on my calendar, that seems to be right for me [10:41] Laney: because the meetings have been removed? :) [10:42] willcooke: good time for me now [10:43] seems like you got it [10:43] :D [10:43] * willcooke cries in the corner [10:43] YOU WEREN'T THERE MAN, YOU WEREN'T THERE [10:44] willcooke: doing the same with all non EU 1o1 now? :) [10:44] no chance. I'm not touching anything for at least a week now [10:45] let the US catch up again [10:45] heh [10:45] we should stop doing this moving the clocks around stuff now. I dont think it helps anyone any more [10:46] 1.34€ is the estimated yearly money saved due to that for an average family in France [10:46] so yeah… :) [10:46] :) [10:47] the company just lost that amount in time spent having problems due to it :P [10:47] I would say they lose even more… [10:48] just move to russia ... [10:48] always winter there now [10:48] :D [10:48] in soviet russia gcal doesn't confuse people! [10:49] \o/ [10:49] except it would be called vkontakte-cal there :) [10:53] lunch time, bbiab [11:20] willcooke: btw, confirmed: [11:20] "If you have a recurring meeting that spans across different time zones, then its time always remains constant for the organizer, and will shift for guests whenever their time difference with the organizer changes. That’s why if you’re in London and attending a weekly meeting that was created by your New York colleagues at 10am NY time, it will always be at 10am for NY, almost always at 3pm for [11:20] you, but at 2pm during that particular week in early November." [11:20] ahha! [12:38] good morning peeps [12:42] hey desrt! [13:02] hey desrt [13:05] seb128: hi! [13:05] desrt, hey [13:05] glad everyone is safely home except larsu [13:05] seb128: hey, IIRC, we didn't update to a bluez 5* because of phone, do you remember the reasons? (and IIRC, you told that we can unblock that on vivid?) [13:06] didrocks, context? who is asking/where/why? [13:07] but not really "because of phone", rather the other way around, that transition impacts all desktops and kde and others were not migrated yet [13:07] there was also n-m regressions, like using phone as a modem was not working [13:07] seb128: "was", like, newer releases got fixed? [13:07] those things are mostly resolved though, I discussed it a bit with cyphermox in Washington, we are looking at updating this cycle [13:08] didrocks, there is ongoing work [13:08] needs some pulseaudio update as well [13:08] yeah, that's why I was pinging you, because I heard about your conversation [13:08] didrocks, do you need the update for something? [13:08] or just simple curiosity? [13:08] seb128: the MAP and other protocols to have better phone <-> desktop interactions [13:08] only in bluez 5 [13:09] summary "we are looking at it, detailed steps are not well defined yet" [13:09] ah ok [13:09] most of the protocol is broken today btw [13:09] the phone team wants bluez5 for low energy profiles [13:09] like sending a file to android 4.4 is always failing [13:09] yeah, that as well [13:09] in bluez4, or 5, or both? [13:09] data point: bluez5 on fedora is not what i would call nice [13:09] bluez4 for now [13:09] it's pretty unreliable [13:10] desrt, :-( [13:10] desrt: just unreliability or have other impacts, like feature-wise? [13:10] didrocks, 5 is working? do you know how much work it would be to fix 4? [13:10] could just be the GNOME UI for it... [13:10] i think they removed a couple of features too [13:10] seb128: well, I'm unsure how to test 5 for now [13:10] no more obex browsing, for example [13:10] seb128: but yeah, 2 years of releases, to backporting all the changes don't seem to be an option [13:11] didrocks, well, not "all", but maybe android 4.4 is a 10 lines patch somewhere [13:11] seb128: you mean the "send a file one?" [13:11] yes [13:11] it might just be a bug [13:11] it doesn't seem to worth it though, most of people would use other protocols, not bluetooth [13:12] volume up and down are failing as well, but it's only exposed on dbus [13:12] and apart from having notification sound of phone (but not phone call), this is the only feature that we enabled on ubuntu [13:13] didrocks, I guess you could try on a fedora live image to see how things work with bluez5 [13:13] seb128: yeah, nice idea, let's do this [13:13] not sure if bluetooth is working well on a vm [13:13] we'll see [13:13] well, you can use an usb stick and reboot in worth case [13:14] yeah, it's just lazyness to not reboot, reconnect IRC and so on :) [13:14] desrt: fedora 20 or 21? [13:15] let's try 21 anyway [13:15] now that they have a ahem… close release date :) [13:16] 21 [13:16] it's pretty stable lately [13:17] apart from bluez support? :) [13:17] to be honest it may have been crap before and i just never noticed [13:17] this is the first time i've been using a bluetooth PAN device (my new phone) to get online with my laptop [13:18] * desrt was doing the DUN thing with bluez4 [13:18] oh -- that's another thing [13:18] well, it doesn't seem to be reliable even on the few features we have on bluez4… [13:18] DUN support is gone in bluez5 [13:19] gnome continues to support DUN via bluez4, which is slightly hilarious considering that gnome hard-depends on bluez5 and the two versions are not parallel installable [13:19] yeah, I guess most users are using wifi through the device now [13:19] "nice" [13:19] great way to waste lots of power :( [13:19] not sure for USB though, what it's using [13:19] is it only DUN? or there is another protocol? [13:19] * didrocks googles [13:20] USB for phones? just a virtual usb network interface, no? [13:20] can be, so this can workaround the DUN need [13:20] * didrocks looks for a cable to confirm [13:20] unless you own an N9... [13:20] oh right ;) [13:20] fwiw, i don't think bluez5 went in totally a bad direction here [13:21] didrocks, it is called rndis for usb [13:21] an very limited *elite* set of users :) [13:21] i don't think that it's been possible to buy a DUN-but-not-PAN-supporting phone for the past several years [13:21] ogra_: ah, the microsoft thingy [13:21] nah [13:21] heh [13:22] tiheum, hey, not sure you saw my followup the other day, what icon name would you recommend using for settings-battery? we need one currently installed, not one from a vcs changeset that didn't land yet [13:22] desrt, btw, is the "gtkpopup don't display if there is a menubar" bug yours now? (I think larsu said it was something for you to look at) [13:22] oh. right. [13:23] i said i'd look at that today :) [13:23] (*ahem* got a link?) [13:23] great [13:23] desrt, bug #1383486 [13:23] bug 1383486 in evince (Ubuntu) "menu to select zoom doesn't drop down" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1383486 [13:23] thx! [13:25] seb128: this bug sounds very serious! [13:26] desrt, http://paste.debian.net/128595/ is the testcase larsu gave on irc on friday for you to try on fedora [13:27] no fun... i already had my VM out :p [13:27] desrt, well, it's annoying but I don't know what other apps in impact, in the evince case you can zoom in/out with other means [13:27] lol [13:27] works on fedora in any case [13:27] :-( [13:27] i guess the test is for if the popover comes out or not? [13:27] yes [13:27] it doesn't show when the menubar is displayed, on Ubuntu [13:28] but it does when the menubar is stripped out [13:28] e.g under unity [13:28] right [13:28] or gnome-shell [13:28] it's working for me under unity as well [13:28] well [13:28] * desrt replaces xsettings [13:28] if you unset UBUNTU_MENUPROXY [13:28] or change the xsettings [13:28] then it stops displaying [13:29] * desrt gets an impressively strange compiz bug [13:30] actually i have no idea what just happened [13:30] describe it? [13:31] a chunk of my commandline in gnome-terminal was just replaced by spaces [13:31] -after- i typed it [13:31] weird [13:31] no bluetooth adapter found. Guess, it's going to be time for an usb stick [13:31] like gsettings set ..... '{" tk S ellS o sMenubar":<0>," ... [13:31] at first i thought it was a display issue [13:31] but it seems to actually be real spaces [13:31] _very_ strange [13:33] anyway.... i do indeed get the issue with the menubar present [13:34] i suspect the theme [13:34] i think the popover is really opening but we can't see it [13:35] the reason is because if you click the zoom thing and then use the mouse wheel on the area where you would expect the popover to be, it doesn't work [13:35] why would the theme behave differently when the menubar is on screen? [13:35] but if you click away, scrolling works again [13:42] anyway... works in high contrast theme and default gtk theme, so if it's a theme issue then it's not our theme that's the problem, but rather !adwaita [13:42] and by 'works' i mean 'still broken' [13:42] also not o-s [13:43] I started wondering [13:43] right, it happens to xubuntu [13:43] which doesn't use o-s [13:43] nor our theme [13:43] so we have a nice gtk patch somewhere i guess.... [13:45] :-/ [13:45] i'm trying an upstream tarball build minus patches [13:45] desrt, or it's fixed in gtk > 3.12 [13:46] of the same version [13:46] 3.12.2 [13:46] k [13:56] fails with upstream gtk too [13:56] party time === m_conley_away is now known as m_conley === pstolowski is now known as pstolowski|lunch [14:08] happyaron: On my vivid install, im-config sets GTK_IM_MODULE to "xim" and not "ibus". Can that be correct? [14:10] seb128: good news and bad news -- fails with gtk 3.12.2 under fedora as well [14:10] so the good news is that it's not one of our patches [14:10] the bad news is that it's not one of our patches [14:11] * desrt has a lot of bisecting to do :( [14:19] nice, fedora doesn't start on my netbook :/ [14:21] didrocks: Why's fedora on your netbook? [14:24] jpds: wanted to try the bluez 5 stack [14:30] blimey, is it Wikipedia fund raising time again already? [14:45] willcooke: s/already/still/ ? [14:45] :) [14:45] I don't mind giving them a few quid, I think they do a good job. My life would be more difficult without it [14:45] Plus I get a kick out of killing off minor celerities [14:46] your contribution to removing jimmy wales' face from the internet? [14:46] I am but one man [14:47] howdy desrt [14:47] Laney: hihi [14:47] Laney: safe and sound? [14:48] all present and correct [14:50] a380 is quite nice [14:50] top or bottom? [14:50] top [14:50] fancy pants [14:50] could be the £££ that I paid for the upgrade [14:50] willcooke: reminds me of a question i had ... ;) [14:51] I got the 'being paged to the gate' experiene [14:51] Laney, ha!! awesome [14:51] due to the mobile boarding pass having a different idea of the boarding time to the gate staff ... [14:55] The lady at check in told me not to bother with the mobile pass, she said the security people wouldn't like it [14:55] works fine in the UK but not in the US [14:55] who'd a thought it [14:56] yeah, then I was stubborn and tried it at security anyway [14:56] they didn't care [14:56] fancy that [14:57] :) [14:57] the US likes scribbling random stuff on your boarding card entirely too much to go mobile [14:58] yeah, what the heck was that about? [14:58] they tried scribbling on people's phones, but there were complaints... [14:58] His job just seems to be: does photo match face? [14:58] if yes -> draw a picture [14:58] if no -> cavity search [15:14] seb128: bisecting turns up https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=736205 [15:14] Gnome bug 736205 in Widget: GtkPopover "GtkMenuButton with popover breaks with GtkApplicationWindow's built-in menubar" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] [15:16] https://git.gnome.org/browse/gtk+/commit/?id=a1af365566161067c4eb246a1c66e7914f119537 [15:17] willcooke: Wikipedia has subscriptions now. Recurring nag or recurring donation. [15:17] it doesn't apply cleanly on 3.12.2... i'll try to backport it [15:19] qengho, I seem to get the nag about once every 11 months [15:20]