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pittiGood morning06:38
MasterPieceZmoin pitti06:39
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pittiinfinity: I encountered some installability failures due to packages now relying on versioned provides; apparently that's implemented in a newer dpkg07:08
pittiinfinity: are you planning to merge dpkg soon (TIL), or want me to look at this?07:08
dholbachgood morning07:27
seb128dobey, hey, is bug #1367017 something you plan to look at? it's on top of e.u.c for utopic07:47
ubottubug 1367017 in software-center (Ubuntu) "After update to 14.10, update-software-center crashed with AttributeError in __getattr__(): When using gi.repository you must not import static modules like "gobject". Please change all occurrences of "import gobject" to "from gi.repository import GObject". " [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/136701707:47
seb128bdmurray, do you know if https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/355fe44c2df7fde28f2a6be90875fdd39632eee4 hits an e.u.c or apport bug?07:54
seb128the traceback is07:54
seb128"TypeError: string argument expected, got 'bytes'"07:54
seb128but that seems to be rather e.u.c failing to display the bt07:54
pittinot sure, but I've seen actual python exceptions that look like this07:55
seb128pitti, they would have a sourcefile/code/function indication though no?07:57
pittiseb128: that's what I mean with "like this" -- no traceback, just the exception07:57
pittiit's weird indeed07:57
seb128weird07:57
pittivery unlikely to be an e.u.c. bug; could be an apport bug, but I suspect the error just simply looks like that07:58
seb128k07:59
seb128so python bug?07:59
pittior something in s-c-p intercepts the exception and does something like print(str(e))08:00
pitti(which is not that uncommon)08:00
seb128right08:00
seb128pitti, thanks08:00
seb128pitti, btw have you seen the s-c bug I just mentioned, is that something than changed in pygobject/an actual bug, or is that a warning that turns out to do e.u.c "spamming"?08:01
seb128bug #1361829 is high on the errors list with a similar issue08:01
ubottubug 1361829 in unity-webapps-googleplus (Ubuntu) "update-desktop-file-unity-webapps-googleplus.py crashed with AttributeError in __getattr__(): When using gi.repository you must not import static modules like "gobject". Please change all occurrences of "import gobject" to "from gi.repository import GObject". See: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=709183" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/136182908:01
pittiseb128: s-c-p was ported to py3 last cycle, so I figure it's an actual bug08:12
seb128pitti, that's software-center, not s-c-p?08:13
pittiseb128: the webapps one seems entirely different from the bytes vs. string conversion though?08:13
pittiseb128: ah, or that, sorry :)08:13
pittiseb128: no, https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/355fe44c2df7fde28f2a6be90875fdd39632eee4 is s-c-p08:13
seb128pitti, sorry, I was refering to my ping to dobey from half an hour ago08:13
seb128pitti, s-c didn't change in utopic afaik08:14
pittiright08:14
tsdgeosogra_: congratulations sir!08:14
seb128pitti, right, s-c didn't change at all, same revision in trusty and utopic08:15
seb128so it's coming from pygobject08:15
ogra_thanks tsdgeos !08:15
seb128well, it might be right to warn, but that creates errors noise :/08:15
pittiseb128: no, it's not a warning, it's a grave error08:28
pittithe warning was improved to make debugging easier08:28
pittias otherwise it leads to random segfaults and similar08:28
seb128pitti, k, I wonder why we didn't get more reports from trusty if that's such an import error08:28
seb128s-c reports are quite low on trusty08:29
seb128and the code didn't change at all, not even a no change rebuild since08:29
pittiwell, apparenlty it just happens to work then just in this case; but this imports glib/gobject etc. libraries twice, which is bound to fail08:30
pitti(i. e. it might just occur "randomly" if a library dependency changes, etc.)08:30
seb128right08:31
seb128dbarth, hey, you/your team is working on unity-webapps-* right? could you look at bug #136182908:31
ubottubug 1361829 in unity-webapps-googleplus (Ubuntu) "update-desktop-file-unity-webapps-googleplus.py crashed with AttributeError in __getattr__(): When using gi.repository you must not import static modules like "gobject". Please change all occurrences of "import gobject" to "from gi.repository import GObject". See: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=709183" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/136182908:31
seb128dbarth, they are similar reports for the different webapps, that's ranked quite high on e.u.c08:31
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mvo_pitti: quick question about the command-not-found blacklisting of postgres-xc  - it seems there are a bunch of additional postgres-xc-{client,...} packages, do we care about those as well ?08:34
mvo_pitti: care about blacklisting them I mean of course08:34
pittimvo_: no, those should be fine as postgresql-common wraps the client-side programs08:35
pittimvo_: but indeed the "initdb" program has the same issue, i. e. we should blacklist that in addition to pg_ctl08:35
pittimvo_: bug title updated08:36
dbarthseb128: yes08:41
dbarthseb128: seen it, i assigned it now08:41
seb128dbarth, thanks08:41
dbarthseb128: the scripts choke on the gobject import08:42
seb128dbarth, right, should be easy to fix/change08:42
dbarthyeah; that's transitionary code that should be removed mostly08:43
seb128yeah, I was thinking that08:43
seb128those migrations scripts are probably not required anymore08:43
seb128maybe just drop them08:43
dbarthnope08:43
dbarthright08:43
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brainwashcan anyone help with a package which is stuck in trusty-proposed? bug 137761210:32
ubottubug 1377612 in Xfce4 weather plugin "[SRU] Plugin needs updated for locationforecast-1.2" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/137761210:32
smbHm, is anybody already working on adding vivid to Trusty's dist-info-data?10:35
pittismb: it's already there10:38
pittiat least I got it in a dist-upgrade10:38
smbpitti, hm... I just looked and only saw ubuntu0.1 which added Utopic...10:39
pittismb: oh wait, sorry, that was debootstrap10:39
pittiright, I meant https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debootstrap/1.0.59ubuntu0.210:39
smbpitti, Ah... yeah. I made a source pkg for distro-info-data. But not sure it is done right10:40
smbpitti, would you be able to have a look and sponsor if ok?10:40
LaneyI already did a patch for it10:40
Laneycheck the queue10:40
smbhm... cannot find it in https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/trusty/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text=distro-info-data10:43
Laneythe sponsor queue10:44
pittibrainwash: I asked elfy in #u-quality whether his comment 21 was testing the proposed package10:44
smbah, sorry10:44
pittibrainwash: there's no other feedback on the update10:45
LaneyI could just upload to proposed and let them copy to security I guess10:45
pitti-updates you mean? it's ceratinly not a -security thing?10:45
Laneylook at the existing update10:46
brainwashpitti: so, someone needs to add a comment and state that he tested the trusty package, right?10:49
pittibrainwash: yes10:49
brainwashpitti: alright, thanks10:49
brainwashpitti: a comment has been added to the report10:54
brainwashhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-weather-plugin/+bug/1377612/comments/4010:54
ubottuUbuntu bug 1377612 in Xfce4 weather plugin "[SRU] Plugin needs updated for locationforecast-1.2" [Medium,Confirmed]10:54
pitticheers10:55
mgedminincidentally, why is chromium-browser in utopic older than in trusty?  http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=chromium-browser10:57
mgedminutopic has 37.0.2062.94, trusty has 37.0.2062.12010:57
Riddellpitti: any tech board meeting today?11:01
pittiRiddell: yes, should be at 17:00 UTC11:01
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gesermvo_: Hi, I see that you synced snappy and dropped the changes to make LP accept the upload (ancient timestamps). Are you going to re-add them or should I do it?13:02
mvo_geser: oh, that sounds like a mistake somewhere (probably me :/ - is it the touch in the rules file that is required for LP?13:08
geseryes13:12
geserit's needed for "libsnappy-dev_1.1.2-3_amd64.deb: has 2 file(s) with a time stamp too far in the past (e.g. usr/share/doc/libsnappy-dev/NEWS.gz [Mon Dec 31 23:00:00 1979])."13:13
mvo_geser: either way, i can fix but if you want to i'm happy too :)13:13
geserI would need a sponsor for it anyway13:14
mvo_ok, let me fix it then, thanks for letting me know and sorry for the trouble13:16
dobeyseb128: i didn't know about that issue until just now. afaik, nobody is working on software-center. and distro-info-data apparently needs updated on trusty before pull-lp-source will work13:16
seb128dobey, there is a sru waiting on http://launchpadlibrarian.net/188495410/distro-info-data_0.18ubuntu0.2_source.changes13:16
seb128dobey, but s-c didn't change at all in utopic so you can get the trusty version through apt-get13:17
dobeyright. i was trying to pull it off vivid, since i'll have to upload there first anyway13:18
smoserhey. so i have /var/crash/_usr_lib_unity_unity-panel-service.1000.crash .13:19
smoserdialog pops up, asks me if i want to submit, i say yes.13:19
smoserthen nothing13:19
smoseris this functioning as designed ?13:19
smoseri'd like to see the bug it created.13:19
smosersame thing happens when i run 'ubuntu-bug /var/crash/_usr_lib_unity_unity-panel-service.1000.crash'13:19
smoserpitti, ^ do you know ? sorry for personal ping13:19
pittismoser: it reports to errors.u.cc.13:20
pittismoser: reporting to Launchpad bugs got disabled for final utopic release, as usual13:20
smoserok. i thougth that might be the case.13:20
smosermight be useful to tell the user that ?13:21
pittiwell, it does13:21
pittinever it says "Launchpad bug" or anythign :)13:21
smoserok. yeah, i guess. it just doesn't say "i did it" but rather "do you want me to do it".13:21
smoserso lets say i wanted to see this bug. where do i do that ?13:24
smoserhttps://errors.ubuntu.com/?release=Ubuntu%2014.10&package=unity-services&period=day tells me "no data to display"13:24
pitti2014.10?13:26
pittioh, %20, nevermind13:26
mdeslaurarges: hi! could you please take a look at the dovecot sru in the precise queue?13:26
pittismoser: unsure, it might take a while to get processed?13:27
argesmdeslaur: sure. i'm working my way through the queues right now13:27
smoserpitti, thanks.13:27
mdeslaurarges: awesome, thanks :)13:27
pittismoser: do you have a /var/crash/_usr_lib_unity_unity-panel-service.1000.uploaded?13:27
smoseryes13:29
smoseroh wait.13:29
smoseri have .upload13:29
smoserbut not .uploaded13:29
pittiah, then whoopsie didn't get to uploading it yet13:30
pitti/var/log/upstart/whoopsie.log might say why13:31
smoserhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/8719453/13:32
pittibdmurray: ^ ?13:33
smoserwell, 'sudo restart whoopsie'13:33
smosergot me to /var/log/upstart/whoopsie.log with: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8719461/13:33
smoserand got a .uploaded file.13:34
smoserbut that doesn't really help me for the 2 things i'd hope to get out of this..13:34
smosera.) i want to see the bug fixed.13:34
smoserwell, i guess thats the only one. but i'd like ot subscribe to the bug.13:34
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smoserpitti, i think i found it. i was being too specific with 'the package'. it is souce package.13:49
smoserhttps://errors.ubuntu.com/?release=Ubuntu%2014.10&package=unity&period=week&pkg_arch=amd6413:49
pittismoser: ah right, it is13:50
argesmdeslaur: for bug 1384355, there is an SRU to remove it from trusty/utopic. did you have any additional concerns/comments about this? I've read the thread on ubuntu-devel14:01
ubottubug 1384355 in owncloud (Ubuntu) "ownCloud should be removed" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/138435514:01
mdeslaurarges: not really, no. the approach Riddell took is fine by me. Nobody volunteered to take over maintenance, so I guess that's the best solution.14:03
Riddellarges: just needs someone from the ~ubuntu-sru team brave enough to approve it14:04
argesRiddell: yea, that's what i'm reviewing now : )14:04
Riddellyay14:04
argesRiddell: one thing is if its serving up this temporary php webpage, will it still need any of the deps like php5?14:08
argesRiddell: or i guess what would happen if I had a clean install of ubuntu-server; installed this package; how do I get the notification to use the upstream packages or juju?14:10
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Riddellarges: I remove the dependencies didn't I?14:11
Riddellarges: it still installs the apache config so you can still browse to it and see the message14:11
argesRiddell: but the package has no dependencies now; so If you install it (without having the old package) how would you see those messages if you don't have those deps installed14:12
Riddellarges: apt-cache show owncloud will show you, message in /usr/share/doc/owncloud/README.Debian too14:12
argesyou can't guarantee that apache2 | httpd, are installed14:13
RiddellI can add back apache2 | httpd if you think that would be better14:13
argesRiddell: ok so in the case of a new install from archive, we will have to assume the user will look at README.Debian or the apt-cache output14:13
argesRiddell: well i'm just thinking through it.14:14
argesso it handles two cases: 1) they have old package installed, and go to web portal which tells them to install through upstream.  2) they have a fresh install and we hope they read the messages somewhere in the package description, apt-cache, or README telling them to get the upstream version14:15
bdmurrayseb128: I'd think an apport bug given that when you go to an individual problem page it is truncated there too.14:16
Riddellarges: yep14:21
argesRiddell: ok seems reasonable14:22
Riddellarges: I don't know what's common practice in empty SRUs like this, probably there is no common practice14:22
Riddellbut it feels kindae wrong to install apache for an empty package14:22
argesRiddell: yea, i'd like to get a second opinion. i'll see if I can get somebody else to review too then i'd be happy accepting it14:23
ricotzhi, is it known the aptitude cant retrieve changelogs again?14:33
mvo_ricotz: what package(s) ?14:41
mvo_ricotz: i.e. how can I reproduce?14:41
ricotzmvo_, i would say all of them ;) (i know only official ubuntu archive ones should work)14:42
mvo_does anyone care about python-couchdb ? I would like to sync the debian version14:42
ricotzmvo_, select a package and "Shift+C"14:43
mvo_ricotz: right, I think I can reproduce this - just to double check "apt-get changelog pkgname" for the same package works, right?14:43
ricotzmvo_, yes14:44
mvo_thanks14:45
mvo_ricotz: could you please report a bug so that we can SRU a fix?14:47
ricotzmvo_, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/aptitude/+bug/138673714:58
ubottuUbuntu bug 1386737 in aptitude (Ubuntu) "Changelogs not retrievable" [Undecided,New]14:58
mvo_ricotz: thanks!14:58
LaneyThis libtool dependency shuffling...14:58
Laneyshould dh-autoreconf depend on libtool-bin now?14:58
infinitypitti: I was intentionally holding off for a bit, as the Debian uploads had been frequent and bugfixy.15:21
pittiinfinity: ah, ok; that's fine, I just wanted to know the status15:22
infinitypitti: Though, people jumping on the versioned provides bandwagon as soon as the feature exists seems misguided.  Whee.15:23
pittiinfinity: yeah, I agree; and I still think it's a bad idea in the first place :/15:24
pittithis is way too prone to errors15:24
infinitypitti: Aaand, more regression fixes over the weekend.  I think I'll let dpkg bake a tiny bit longer. ;)15:25
pittiinfinity: ack :)15:25
pittiinfinity: something else; bug 1381656, is that something that ought to be fixed in Debian, or is that file ubuntu specific?15:25
ubottubug 1381656 in glibc (Ubuntu) "obsolete config: /etc/ld.so.conf.d/i686-linux-gnu.conf" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/138165615:25
rbasakWhat's the new feature, OOI?15:26
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pittirbasak: versioned provides15:27
infinitypitti: Possibly Ubuntu-specific, since we build for a different target.15:27
rbasakAh15:27
pittiAFAIK, if you have15:27
pittiPackage: foo15:27
pittiVersion: 315:27
pittiProvides: somefoo15:27
pittithen you can have "Depends: somefoo (>= 2)" and foo would satisfy this15:27
infinitypitti: To be fair, internally, provides were always versioned, but the version was 0. :P15:27
rbasakThat's nice, although it feels like a binary package version shouldn't be tied to the version of the virtual thing that it provides?15:28
pittibut foo/1 wouldn't satisfy this (that's the real new thing)15:28
pittirbasak: yeah, that's the "brittle" part that I don't like15:28
rbasakI'd have done it as "Provides: somefoo (=3)" or something15:28
infinityThat's how it's done.15:29
infinitypitti: What gives you the idea it's using the non-provided version?15:29
pittithe above is the case that I saw this morning15:29
pittimeeting, bbl15:30
infinityrbasak: It's implemented exactly as you think it should be. :P15:30
rbasakinfinity: nice :)15:30
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sergiusenspitti: hey, is there a way to run adt tests for a deb from local sources?16:17
pittisergiusens: yes (in meeting); see https://people.debian.org/~mpitt/autopkgtest/README.running-tests.html16:17
pittisergiusens: can help you in a bit after meeting16:17
sergiusenspitti: I'll follow the docs, was using https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/AutomatedTesting/AutoPackageTesting though16:19
sergiusensthanks16:19
pittisergiusens: ah thanks, I'll remove that; it's obsoleted by the autopkgtest docs and http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/auto-pkg-test.html16:19
pittisergiusens: wiki page updated; meeting done, do you still have questions/trouble?16:42
pittisergiusens: and yes, you can test a local .deb, a local .dsc, or both16:42
pittisergiusens: or a local source package dir (built or unbuilt)16:42
pittimvo__: thanks for fixing bug 1384864!16:46
ubottubug 1384864 in command-not-found (Ubuntu Vivid) "Please blacklist pg_ctl and initdb" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/138486416:46
pittimvo__: OOI, how do you do that? manually editing scan.data after scanning, or is there a more clever way? (I'm looking at https://launchpadlibrarian.net/188488665/command-not-found_0.3ubuntu15_0.3ubuntu15.1.diff.gz)16:47
pittiinfinity, kees, mdeslaur, stgraber, slangasek: TB meeting reminder (6 mins)16:54
* slangasek nods16:55
slangasekwho's chair today?16:55
infinityOh whee, I'm chair.  I get to remind myself how to use the bot again.16:55
* ogra_ sits down on infinity to test that claim16:55
ogra_not so comfortable ...16:56
infinityOw.16:56
ogra_you need some more stuffing :)16:56
infinityI have plenty, thanks.16:56
ogra_heh16:56
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infinitypitti: I assume we still have the conflict that forces us to #-meeting-2?16:59
pittiinfinity: according to http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars/fridge/ yes (kernel team meeting)16:59
sergiusenspitti: I think I can take it from here, still setting up anyways; thanks!17:00
pittihm, why isn't the TB meeting on this any more -- it used to17:00
* rbasak didn't realise the TB was DST-compliant17:00
infinitykees: Joining us in #-meeting-2?17:00
keesinfinity: yup, almost there17:00
pittirbasak: we are all on the nothern hemisphere, so much better that way (we pinned to London time instead of UTC)17:00
rbasakMakes sense.17:01
pittibdmurray: FTR, I updated lp-retracer-config for vivid and rolled out to LP retracers; I figure daisy needs some similar treatment17:02
bdmurraypitti: thanks, is there any reason not to turn on crash reporting to Errors earlier than we usually do?17:05
pittibdmurray: we never disable crash reporting to errors17:08
pittibdmurray: only to launchpad17:08
pittibdmurray: (for stables) ^17:08
pittibdmurray: responded to bug 136507917:10
ubottubug 1365079 in apport (Ubuntu) "apport should gather package information about click packages" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/136507917:10
dpmpitti, do you know who could do a sync from a utopic package to rtm while Colin is away?17:12
pittidpm: any archive admin can do that (me too)17:13
LaneyAnyone who can upload in fact17:13
pittioh, even better17:13
Laney(AIUI)17:13
ogra_dpm, note that nothing is allowed to enter rtm without being on ollis list17:14
ogra_(except langpacks i think)17:15
dpmok, I'll talk to olli, thanks ogra_ and everyone17:15
ogra_(and you will need QA signoff too)17:15
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slangasekwhy are my terminal fonts a complete disaster after a system restart in 14.10?22:19
slangasekin fact, something seems to have changed mozilla's theming too22:20
sladenslangasek: /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas/ubuntu-artwork.gschema.overide ?22:25
sladenslangasek: ... just a guess, but if you're seeing multiple things changed, it could be the whole set of default-overrides missing22:26
slangasekhmm.  unity-settings-daemon was running but not working correctly22:29
slangasekso killall unity-settings-daemon, and my terminal fonts are suddenly not eyebleeding22:29
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ari-tczewI'm trying to upload a source package to vivid-proposed.23:07
ari-tczew$ dput ubuntu:vivid-proposed gnome-shell-extensions_3.14.1-1ubuntu1_source.changes23:07
ari-tczewHowever, files have been uploaded to utopic-proposed23:07
ari-tczewwhat's wrong?23:07
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Bluefoxicyokay so is there a tool to reverse the update from 14.04 to 14.1023:08
Bluefoxicybecause there was no warning on 14.10 that it was mid-development23:08
Bluefoxicyand everything is broken in this release23:08
ari-tczewBluefoxicy: new, fresh install the best. for such questions better please ask on #ubuntu23:10
TheMusoari-tczew: Um, I ddn't think you could upload to a release like that, I thought the release you wanted the upload for needs to be mentioned in the changes file.23:19
Bluefoxicyokay well, entering #ubuntu is the most useless thing anyone can evere do23:27
Bluefoxicyso I'll just file a bug "It doesn't work and I have no idea why, nor any way to collect any information explaining why.  Good luck."23:27
ari-tczewBluefoxicy: so good luck while waiting for constructive response.23:35
ari-tczewTheMuso: Right, there was a problem. thnx :-)23:36
Bluefoxicyari-tczew:  there is no way to get constructive information23:37
Bluefoxicyit's broken, and there's no debug output, and no information on the internet, and everyone says "LOL HTML5 VIDEO INSTALL FLASH???"23:37
BluefoxicyThat's the type of constructive response I got from #ubuntu23:37
Bluefoxicy"HTML5 video doesn't play" "Have you installed Flash?"23:37
* ari-tczew is leaving topic as won't fixed.23:39
sladenBluefoxicy: what exact URL does not player, in what exact browser?23:47
Bluefoxicysladen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHMmMgdcOSU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_FFF3wgfh8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNL72qFc_ew https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PN7O9gM-lvc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSLUXkfm9b8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fouoxaWGFng23:51
Bluefoxicysladen:  do not play in Chromium-browser.  They were playing in 14.04; they're mostly open because they were open in 14.04 and Chromium re-opens tabs when it restarts.23:51
BluefoxicyIf I click and scroll and such, I can scroll through the video to any frame in the video23:51
BluefoxicyThe ads don't play either.23:51
BluefoxicyI tried apt-get remove --purge chromium-browser, removing ~/.config/chromium, and then re-installing chromium-browser and starting up again with no config in my user directory and with the system config purged and recreated23:53
Bluefoxicythat didn't fix it.23:53
BluefoxicyI'm out of troubleshooting actions :|23:53
BluefoxicyI can't gather any information on why it's behaving this way, I can't find anything online about it, and I can't get a proper result with a cleared configuration.  This is bang-your-head-against-the-wall territory.23:54
Bluefoxicywatch23:56
BluefoxicyI'll be the only person in the world this is happening to23:56
geofftI've seen that behavior before but I forget what caused it.23:57
geofftI did once have chromium-codecs-ffmpeg* out of sync with chromium-browser itself, which caused somethings to be sad23:58
geofftbut I think the symptoms were different.23:58
Bluefoxicygeofft:  have you also seen the behavior of "Activities view hangs gnome-shell for 5 seconds, or possibly crashes it" too?  because that happens too.23:58
geofftno, but now I'm suspecting your libGL...23:58
BluefoxicyUpgrading from 14.04 to 14.10 didn't really bring anything new except a slew of brokenness.  It should have been called do-release-update, because "upgrade" implies making it better.23:58

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